Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report NOW JEAN F'N

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

In Mass he had all kinds of appellations given his long undistinguished 
tenure nursing on the public tap.  And enriching various fam and friends 
while becoming a rent boy.  The horrible botox and cosmetic surgery 
efforts are more recent, it's the kind of thing your good buddy would 
have to take you aside after a coupla glasses of a nice crisp pinot 
grigio, or perhaps more appropriately a sassy but not quite impertinent 
burgundy blanc, and say, "Dude, you really gotta get your head right on 
this weird thing going on with your face.  You look like the cox'n of 
the last place douche canoe."


--FT


On 10/16/16 7:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Ichabod perhaps is more fitting.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Oh boy, I've never heard him called that, but it fits...
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On October 16, 2016 3:14:47 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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Theresa Heinz Kerry's husband, Lurch.

Mitch.


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Who?

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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report NOW JEAN F'N

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Ichabod perhaps is more fitting.

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> Oh boy, I've never heard him called that, but it fits...
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> >Theresa Heinz Kerry's husband, Lurch.
> >
> >Mitch.
> >
> >> On October 16, 2016 at 2:53 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report NOW JEAN F'N

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Oh boy, I've never heard him called that, but it fits...
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On October 16, 2016 3:14:47 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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>Theresa Heinz Kerry's husband, Lurch. 
>
>Mitch.
>
>> On October 16, 2016 at 2:53 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
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>> 
>> 
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Theresa Heinz Kerry's husband, Lurch. 

Mitch.

> On October 16, 2016 at 2:53 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
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> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report NOW JEAN F'N

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Who?

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> He is truly a rather odious individual.
>>
> And always has been.  The stench reaches even here, 1000 miles away, and
> probably covers all 57 states!  I smelled it soon after his PR journey to
> veetnam.  What was that? 69  or so?
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I know a lady chemist who usta be a Dupont.   Here son is a Dupont and 
works fer the DoS. She worked fer the company.  I've never asked if the 
ex was wunna them, but I think it is a pretty safe guess.  She has a 
nice estate by the River, but probably not as sizable as your neighbor.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 9:38 PM
There is a guy here on this Island who is married to a DuPont, they 
have quite an estate, almost rivaling my vast estate.  He is a bit, 
um, challenging to deal with though we get on reasonably well.  
Reasonably well, given my tolerance for pomposity, arrogance, and 
hubristic behavior.  His opinion of himself is somewhat elevated 
beyond that of anyone else who knows him.  More than somewhat.


--FT




Fred Moir via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 7:26 PM
"Now we're supposed to replace HFC with hideously expensive stuff 
because HFC

might make an immeasurable contribution to global temperatures?"

Mitch.


Maybe:-
Now we're supposed to replace HFC with hideously expensive stuff 
because HFC

might make an immeasurable contribution to DuPont's bottom line?


Surely not!



Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


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Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 6:13 PM
HFC was forced on us because CFC damaged the ozone layer. That I can 
understand.



Now we're supposed to replace HFC with hideously expensive stuff 
because HFC

might make an immeasurable contribution to global temperatures?

Mitch.

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Curley McLain 
October 15, 2016 at 4:19 PM
We will have to go back to ammonia refrigeration.   Probly hafta make 
our own ammonia too


NPR is indeed droning on that HFCs will be banned  Sorry folks, it 
is more impt that the self righteous greenie-weenies feel good about 
themselves than the rest of us having safe food, air conditioning and 
other things. It is reported (based on falsified "data") banning HFC 
will lower the seas by 1/2 of one degree.ooops that is temps... 
Well, it really does not matter as it is all made up to jerk sheeple 
around (to make them "controllable.")


Hmmm people used to use ice to lower temps   [greenie-weenie not to 
self: hafta ban that too!]


We will indeed be using the magic fufu in the future.  FUture FUFU.  FU.

our own SoS, the Botoxicated French-speaking Liveshot Jean F'n Kerré, 
who has gravities and who, by the way, served (himself) in Vietnam has 
indeed sold us down the river AGAIN!


More hopeless change.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 3:01 PM

The Chevy Spark uses
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/FRE1/1234YF/N1782.oap

only $999.99 for a ten pound can at my local O'Reilly's.

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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report NOW JEAN F'N

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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

He is truly a rather odious individual.
And always has been.  The stench reaches even here, 1000 miles away, and 
probably covers all 57 states!  I smelled it soon after his PR journey 
to veetnam.  What was that? 69  or so?


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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report NOW JEAN F'N

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Jean F'n is an interesting case.  Liveshot as he is known, "Do you know 
who I am?" He also apparently likes to hang with young ladies and act 
like a Kennedy with them.  Well known behavior.  He is kept by Tuhrayza.


My wife's dad had the foresight about 50+ years ago to buy a plot of 
land on Nantucket Island and build a small cottage on the property, on 
the far end of the island from town so it was kind of the hinterlands 
back then.  Relatively cheap money back then as it really wasn't much of 
a swell place.  Both are still quite lovely, though now they are 
approaching beachfront location due to the march of nature.  Wife, 
mother and siblings spent summers there while dad worked, to get there 
occasionally.  So my wife grew up a good part of her teenage years on 
the island and knew it very well, having the usual sort of minimal 
resort-type summer jobs that paid quite well.  She taught Fred Rogers's 
son to sail, he had a place not too far away.  Fred was pretty much as 
he was on his show.  I walked by his house once, heard the phone ring, 
and he answered it, and I was like, that's Mr. Rogers!  There were lots 
of other interesting characters there too.


A friend she worked with after college had a similar experience as her 
grandmother owned 2 houses there, old inherited places or something, one 
in town and one on the harbor just on the edge of town.  They devolved 
down to the grandkids and she was the only one who wanted to fool with 
them.  I think they sold the one in town to give the others their 
inheritance, kept the hahbah house. The one on the harbor is 2 doors 
down from Tuhrayza's (the late John Heinz's) place.  Some years back 
when we were visiting the island we would visit this friend who spent 
the summers at the house with the kids, hang out on the porch and drink 
and whatnot. There were always SS guys or some kind of feds around the 
house, this when J F'n was a senatuh, maybe before Teddy got the final 
round.  Big flag on a pole out front.  The kids liked to run up and down 
the little bit of beach in front of the houses and of course they got 
hassled by the hausengrupenkomandos.  Nice, terroristic chirruns.


The yacht, which had been "berthed" in Rhode Island to avoid the 
usurious MA taxes (good job Jean!) was anchored out in front of the 
house, which, if anyone paid attention, would mean that MA taxes were 
due on it.  But being the liberal senatuh meant that taxes were only for 
everyone else, not the swells.  Apparently since he has become SoS the 
security is even more annoying, the friend was thinking to unload the 
place, which is probably at this point worth multiple $millions, because 
it was becoming increasingly difficult to rent it out, even at the 
bargain rate of $25k/wk, maybe more now, due to the wake turbulence of J 
F'n and Tuhrayza being in proximity.  I was there 4 or 5 years ago and 
rode my bike over there, it was the same way.  The street behind the 
house, Hurlburt Ave, is sorta like an overgrown alley, but the cops were 
still there making sure no one infringed on J F'n's territory even if he 
or Tuhrayza weren't there.  Thanks, taxpayers!  They gave me the 
stinkeye when I rode past, probably snapped my picture or something.


On another possibly interesting note, my doctor here is the grandson of 
people who owned a house just down from there a little ways.  If you 
have ever read the book or seen the movie Cheaper by the Dozen, that was 
about his grandparents and his father was one of The Dozen.  The house 
is pretty much the same as it was, with the bunkhouse out back and a 
little lighthouse kind of effect on the main part of the house.  He goes 
there quite often, the house is still in the family.  We have had some 
interesting discussions about various goings-on there and of course he 
knows the whole deal about J F'n and has a somewhat less than flattering 
opinion of him too.  His cousin, whom he says is pretty whacked, lives 
near where my wife's family place is, and stays year-round which 
explains the whackness.


J F'n on a pink girls bike in the parking lot at Jetties Beach, just 
down the way from Tuhrayza's house in which he is occasionally kept.  He 
is truly a rather odious individual.


--FT


On 10/15/16 7:51 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
no word yet one when the 134 disappears.  Our own SoS, the 
botoxicated, intoxicated, French-speaking Liveshot Jean F'n Kerré, who 
has grabass and who, by the way, served his self interest in Vietnam 
does not have enough fingers and toes to count to that day.   By the 
way didja know he's a kept man?


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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

There is a guy here on this Island who is married to a DuPont, they have 
quite an estate, almost rivaling my vast estate.  He is a bit, um, 
challenging to deal with though we get on reasonably well.  Reasonably 
well, given my tolerance for pomposity, arrogance, and hubristic 
behavior.  His opinion of himself is somewhat elevated beyond that of 
anyone else who knows him.  More than somewhat.


--FT


On 10/15/16 9:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

E I Dupont de Neumours   The original "merkun Daddy Warbucks!

Since 1760 or before

Got rich makin gunpowder for the continental  congress.


Fred Moir via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 7:26 PM
"Now we're supposed to replace HFC with hideously expensive stuff 
because HFC

might make an immeasurable contribution to global temperatures?"

Mitch.


Maybe:-
Now we're supposed to replace HFC with hideously expensive stuff 
because HFC

might make an immeasurable contribution to DuPont's bottom line?


Surely not!



Fred Moir.



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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

E I Dupont de Neumours   The original "merkun Daddy Warbucks!

Since 1760 or before

Got rich makin gunpowder for the continental  congress.


Fred Moir via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 7:26 PM
"Now we're supposed to replace HFC with hideously expensive stuff 
because HFC

might make an immeasurable contribution to global temperatures?"

Mitch.


Maybe:-
Now we're supposed to replace HFC with hideously expensive stuff 
because HFC

might make an immeasurable contribution to DuPont's bottom line?


Surely not!



Fred Moir.



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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Oops, meant undetectable, not immeasurable. 
Mitch. 

> On October 15, 2016 at 8:26 PM Fred Moir via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> "Now we're supposed to replace HFC with hideously expensive stuff because HFC
> might make an immeasurable contribution to global temperatures?"
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> 
> Maybe:-
> Now we're supposed to replace HFC with hideously expensive stuff because HFC
> might make an immeasurable contribution to DuPont's bottom line?
> 
> 
> Surely not!
> 
> 
> 
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report

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"Now we're supposed to replace HFC with hideously expensive stuff because HFC
might make an immeasurable contribution to global temperatures?"

Mitch.


Maybe:-
Now we're supposed to replace HFC with hideously expensive stuff because HFC
might make an immeasurable contribution to DuPont's bottom line?


Surely not!



Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

no word yet one when the 134 disappears.  Our own SoS, the botoxicated, 
intoxicated, French-speaking Liveshot Jean F'n Kerré, who has grabass 
and who, by the way, served his self interest in Vietnam does not have 
enough fingers and toes to count to that day.   By the way didja know 
he's a kept man?



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 6:15 PM
Glad I have stockpiled about 600lbs of r134.

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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

CFC was regulated out of existence because Dupont's patent expired.  
Rather than having to compete with generic manufacturers, and get 
better, they paid the goobers to regulate it out of existence.  Guess 
who had the patent on 134?


Given the fairly recent slew of new brands of 134, I would guess that 
patent has now expired also.


SOO..   Time to regulate HFCs out of existence.  Now "we" 
can sell stuff fer $100 a pound!


Better fer shareholders, and the CeoCfo salaries, bonus and perks.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 6:13 PM
HFC was forced on us because CFC damaged the ozone layer. That I can 
understand.



Now we're supposed to replace HFC with hideously expensive stuff 
because HFC

might make an immeasurable contribution to global temperatures?

Mitch.


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Glad I have stockpiled about 600lbs of r134.

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> On Oct 15, 2016, at 6:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> HFC was forced on us because CFC damaged the ozone layer. That I can 
> understand.
> 
> 
> Now we're supposed to replace HFC with hideously expensive stuff because HFC
> might make an immeasurable contribution to global temperatures?
> 
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HFC was forced on us because CFC damaged the ozone layer. That I can understand.


Now we're supposed to replace HFC with hideously expensive stuff because HFC
might make an immeasurable contribution to global temperatures?

Mitch.

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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

We will have to go back to ammonia refrigeration.   Probly hafta make 
our own ammonia too


NPR is indeed droning on that HFCs will be banned  Sorry folks, it 
is more impt that the self righteous greenie-weenies feel good about 
themselves than the rest of us having safe food, air conditioning and 
other things. It is reported (based on falsified "data") banning HFC 
will lower the seas by 1/2 of one degree.ooops that is temps... 
Well, it really does not matter as it is all made up to jerk sheeple 
around (to make them "controllable.")


Hmmm people used to use ice to lower temps   [greenie-weenie not to 
self: hafta ban that too!]


We will indeed be using the magic fufu in the future.  FUture FUFU.  FU.

our own SoS, the Botoxicated French-speaking Liveshot Jean F'n Kerré, 
who has gravities and who, by the way, served (himself) in Vietnam has 
indeed sold us down the river AGAIN!


More hopeless change.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 3:10 PM

All of the Chrysler vehicles are using that as of 2017 as well as a 
lot of GM vehicles. I can say for sure having been in some 2017 GM 
vehicles with it this summer it does not cool near as well as r134, 
takes a long time to start cooling and does not get as cold.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 3:01 PM

The Chevy Spark uses
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/FRE1/1234YF/N1782.oap

only $999.99 for a ten pound can at my local O'Reilly's.
Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 10:19 AM
I just heard on some NPR report on the radio that there is a push now 
to ban HFCs, seems like our own SoS, the Botoxicated French-speaking 
Liveshot Jean F'n Kerré, who has gravitas and who, by the way, served 
in Vietnam, is behind it along with the UN and other countries that 
have not yet completely destroyed their economies.


So it might be that we will all need to be using the magic fufu in the 
future.  FUture FUFU.  FU.


--FT





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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yeah, there is no cost to goobermnt regulations!


(cost is defined as end, according to the goobers)  Make the 
substitution, and you will understand.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 3:01 PM

The Chevy Spark uses
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/FRE1/1234YF/N1782.oap

only $999.99 for a ten pound can at my local O'Reilly's.

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 10:19 AM
I just heard on some NPR report on the radio that there is a push now 
to ban HFCs, seems like our own SoS, the Botoxicated French-speaking 
Liveshot Jean F'n Kerré, who has gravitas and who, by the way, served 
in Vietnam, is behind it along with the UN and other countries that 
have not yet completely destroyed their economies.


So it might be that we will all need to be using the magic fufu in the 
future.  FUture FUFU.  FU.


--FT



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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

All of the Chrysler vehicles are using that as of 2017 as well as a lot of GM 
vehicles. I can say for sure having been in some 2017 GM vehicles with it this 
summer it does not cool near as well as r134, takes a long time to start 
cooling and does not get as cold.

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> On Oct 15, 2016, at 3:01 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On October 15, 2016 at 3:44 PM Mountain Man via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> --FT wrote:
>>> I just heard on some NPR report on the radio that there is a push now to ban
>>> HFCs...
>> 
>> Does EV transportation use HFCs?
> 
> The Chevy Spark uses
> http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/FRE1/1234YF/N1782.oap
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report

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> On October 15, 2016 at 3:44 PM Mountain Man via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> --FT wrote:
> > I just heard on some NPR report on the radio that there is a push now to ban
> > HFCs...
> 
> Does EV transportation use HFCs?

The Chevy Spark uses
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Yes, with an electric compressor.

On Saturday, October 15, 2016, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> --FT wrote:
> > I just heard on some NPR report on the radio that there is a push now to
> ban
> > HFCs...
>
> Does EV transportation use HFCs?
> ...curious...
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report

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--FT wrote:
> I just heard on some NPR report on the radio that there is a push now to ban
> HFCs...

Does EV transportation use HFCs?
...curious...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I just heard on some NPR report on the radio that there is a push now to 
ban HFCs, seems like our own SoS, the Botoxicated French-speaking 
Liveshot Jean F'n Kerré, who has gravitas and who, by the way, served in 
Vietnam, is behind it along with the UN and other countries that have 
not yet completely destroyed their economies.


So it might be that we will all need to be using the magic fufu in the 
future.  FUture FUFU.  FU.


--FT


On 10/15/16 10:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Just as a point of reference, I’ve now been running hydrocarbon refrigerant in 
the 90 350SDL for 3-4l months.  It’s been working great, with the exception of 
temperature rise when at idle which was an issue even for R134a.  I suspect 
that’s due to the inefficiency of the condenser since it is sized for R12.

I routinely see vent temperatures in the mid 40F range at speed with a 90F 
ambient (or higher.)  When I come to a stop the vent temperature might rise 
into the 60s.  No change in efficiency since I initially charged the system, so 
it doesn’t appear to be leaking out or losing charge over time.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed.  I am toying with the possibility of replacing the condenser with one 
of the later 3(?) pass versions that are being sold to increase the efficiency 
of the system on R134a.

That’s once I can find a nice W126 diesel to replace the S420.  Still looking, 
so let me know if you see anything worthwhile.

Dan


> On Oct 15, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Magic fufu is supposedly even _more_ efficient than R12, but it stops
> condensing at a slightly lower temperature and so can't handle very hot
> conditions.  Such as, perhaps, what you see at the condenser when it's
> stuck in traffic?
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Magic fufu is supposedly even _more_ efficient than R12, but it stops
condensing at a slightly lower temperature and so can't handle very hot
conditions.  Such as, perhaps, what you see at the condenser when it's
stuck in traffic?

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It’s these guy’s stuff:
>
> http://autorefrigerants.com/hydrocarbon-refrigerants
>
> I used the "Industrial 12a” product.
>
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Oct 15, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is this Jim's Majik fufu, or a name brand mix?  If branded, what brand
> is it?
> >
> >> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >> October 15, 2016 at 9:25 AM
> >> Just as a point of reference, I’ve now been running hydrocarbon
> refrigerant in the 90 350SDL for 3-4l months. It’s been working great, with
> the exception of temperature rise when at idle which was an issue even for
> R134a. I suspect that’s due to the inefficiency of the condenser since it
> is sized for R12.
> >>
> >> I routinely see vent temperatures in the mid 40F range at speed with a
> 90F ambient (or higher.) When I come to a stop the vent temperature might
> rise into the 60s. No change in efficiency since I initially charged the
> system, so it doesn’t appear to be leaking out or losing charge over time.
> >>
> >> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s these guy’s stuff:

http://autorefrigerants.com/hydrocarbon-refrigerants

I used the "Industrial 12a” product.


Dan


> On Oct 15, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is this Jim's Majik fufu, or a name brand mix?  If branded, what brand is it?
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> October 15, 2016 at 9:25 AM
>> Just as a point of reference, I’ve now been running hydrocarbon refrigerant 
>> in the 90 350SDL for 3-4l months. It’s been working great, with the 
>> exception of temperature rise when at idle which was an issue even for 
>> R134a. I suspect that’s due to the inefficiency of the condenser since it is 
>> sized for R12.
>> 
>> I routinely see vent temperatures in the mid 40F range at speed with a 90F 
>> ambient (or higher.) When I come to a stop the vent temperature might rise 
>> into the 60s. No change in efficiency since I initially charged the system, 
>> so it doesn’t appear to be leaking out or losing charge over time.
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrocarbon AC Refrigerant Report

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Is this Jim's Majik fufu, or a name brand mix?  If branded, what brand 
is it?



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 9:25 AM
Just as a point of reference, I’ve now been running hydrocarbon 
refrigerant in the 90 350SDL for 3-4l months. It’s been working great, 
with the exception of temperature rise when at idle which was an issue 
even for R134a. I suspect that’s due to the inefficiency of the 
condenser since it is sized for R12.


I routinely see vent temperatures in the mid 40F range at speed with a 
90F ambient (or higher.) When I come to a stop the vent temperature 
might rise into the 60s. No change in efficiency since I initially 
charged the system, so it doesn’t appear to be leaking out or losing 
charge over time.


Dan


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