Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Local what type of ballpark?  MLB? AAA?  Futbol?

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:05 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Local ball park has a wagyu beef burger for $15.  They turn it into a
> kingsford briquet on garlic toast
>
> clay
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> On Jun 4, 2016, at 10:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
> > My point exactly.  It's like buying Kobe beef ground into hamburger for
> > $50/lb and making sloppy joes.
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Karl Wittnebel 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I guess that is sort of the point; this gwagen is not a luxury car.
> >> On Jun 4, 2016 10:29 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You haven't been paying attention.  I am a jalopinist at heart but have
> >>> made it abundantly clear draw the line at crank windows, particularly
> in a
> >>> luxury car..
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  That surprises me as cheap as you are I figured you would love crank
>  Windows.
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> > On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > To channel my inner Trump - crank windows are DISGUSTING and STUPID.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[clay via Mercedes]

Local ball park has a wagyu beef burger for $15.  They turn it into a kingsford 
briquet on garlic toast

clay

On Jun 4, 2016, at 10:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> My point exactly.  It's like buying Kobe beef ground into hamburger for
> $50/lb and making sloppy joes.
> 
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Karl Wittnebel 
> wrote:
> 
>> I guess that is sort of the point; this gwagen is not a luxury car.
>> On Jun 4, 2016 10:29 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> You haven't been paying attention.  I am a jalopinist at heart but have
>>> made it abundantly clear draw the line at crank windows, particularly in a
>>> luxury car..
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 That surprises me as cheap as you are I figured you would love crank
 Windows.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> To channel my inner Trump - crank windows are DISGUSTING and STUPID.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
 
>>> http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/the-mercedes-g-wagen-is-back-to-crank-windows-and-cloth-1780135509
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I've had to fix both manual and Lektrik windows.  Worn out rack gears on 
both, sliders falling out, bad motors and lotsa bad switches for 
lektrik.  On the first SDL, I fixed the driver;s lektrik winder 3 
times.  Bad rack, bad motor a couple of times.  I never mined taking the 
door apart on the 123 and earlier cars with the steel snap clips.  the 
126 and later with the cheep prastic hooks are terrible.  I dread having 
to take one of them off.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 5, 2016 at 1:08 PMvia Postbox 


I've never had to repair a manual window in any vehicle ever.
I've had to repair electric windows in almost every vehicle I've ever 
owned EXCEPT my '96 Dakota and '10 RAM...
I've had roughly the same number of manual window vehicles as 
electric. The oldest vehicle I owned was manual ('78 240D)...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Pot metal is the devils putty. Last week I installed the sediment bowl on my 
'52 Farmall, then found it was clogged, pulled, cleaned, reinstalled but when I 
put on the fuel line I ham handedly cross threaded it. The brass compression 
fitting managed to mangle the pot metal sediment bowl...
*&%^! I coulda just got a new compression fitting but NO some idjit makes me 
get a new sediment bowl. The Massy Ferguson dealer had one but its the wrong 
dang fitting, I started to make an adapter but the on a whim tried NAPA. They 
had one on the shelf! Actually its not exactly the same, the old one is a "big 
bowl" the new one is a "small bowl" for a newer tractor. The newer tractor is 
rated for more power than my Super M so I called it good enough...
-Curt

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The center pot metal part in the middle of the spring broke in the driver's 
doors on both the '70 220D and the '81 240D. I made new parts by grinding, 
filing, and cutting large steel bolts - they will not break for a LONG time.
On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I've never had to repair a manual window in any vehicle ever.
I've had to repair electric windows in almost every vehicle I've ever owned 
EXCEPT my '96 Dakota and '10 RAM...
I've had roughly the same number of manual window vehicles as electric. The 
oldest vehicle I owned was manual ('78 240D)...
-Curt

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Yup - that's what I thought, until I actually owned several MBs with
electric windows. I had to do more repairs on the crank up windows than I
ever did on all the electric windowed MB afterwards. Progress can be a good
thing.

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> Channeling my inner Trump... Yes,, something that is dependable and
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> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> > To channel my inner Trump - crank windows are DISGUSTING and STUPID.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The center pot metal part in the middle of the spring broke in the driver's
doors on both the '70 220D and the '81 240D. I made new parts by grinding,
filing, and cutting large steel bolts - they will not break for a LONG time.

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I've never had to repair a manual window in any vehicle ever.
> I've had to repair electric windows in almost every vehicle I've ever
> owned EXCEPT my '96 Dakota and '10 RAM...
> I've had roughly the same number of manual window vehicles as electric.
> The oldest vehicle I owned was manual ('78 240D)...
> -Curt
>
>   From: OK Don via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] I want one
>
> Yup - that's what I thought, until I actually owned several MBs with
> electric windows. I had to do more repairs on the crank up windows than I
> ever did on all the electric windowed MB afterwards. Progress can be a good
> thing.
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:53 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
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> > Channeling my inner Trump... Yes,, something that is dependable and
> > actually works is so anti progressive.. how disgusting..
> >
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> > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> >
> > > To channel my inner Trump - crank windows are DISGUSTING and STUPID.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've never had to repair a manual window in any vehicle ever.
I've had to repair electric windows in almost every vehicle I've ever owned 
EXCEPT my '96 Dakota and '10 RAM...
I've had roughly the same number of manual window vehicles as electric. The 
oldest vehicle I owned was manual ('78 240D)...
-Curt

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Yup - that's what I thought, until I actually owned several MBs with
electric windows. I had to do more repairs on the crank up windows than I
ever did on all the electric windowed MB afterwards. Progress can be a good
thing.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:53 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> > To channel my inner Trump - crank windows are DISGUSTING and STUPID.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
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> >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

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Mmmm   Kobe Joes 

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My point exactly.  It's like buying Kobe beef ground into hamburger for
> $50/lb and making sloppy joes.
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Karl Wittnebel 
> wrote:
>
> > I guess that is sort of the point; this gwagen is not a luxury car.
> > On Jun 4, 2016 10:29 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You haven't been paying attention.  I am a jalopinist at heart but have
> >> made it abundantly clear draw the line at crank windows, particularly
> in a
> >> luxury car..
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > That surprises me as cheap as you are I figured you would love crank
> >> > Windows.
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> > > On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > To channel my inner Trump - crank windows are DISGUSTING and STUPID.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
> >> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
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> >> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

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YMMV.  I have never had issues with PW in any of my cars.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 4:26 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
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> Yup - that's what I thought, until I actually owned several MBs with
> electric windows. I had to do more repairs on the crank up windows than I
> ever did on all the electric windowed MB afterwards. Progress can be a good
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

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Yup - that's what I thought, until I actually owned several MBs with
electric windows. I had to do more repairs on the crank up windows than I
ever did on all the electric windowed MB afterwards. Progress can be a good
thing.

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> >
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Even old ones that aren't so tarted up are going for stupid money.  I 
wonder if you could find one old enough in yurp to bring over without 
all the hassles, a diesel G stripper model, ex military or something, 
and use it as intended.  Didn't they have 617s in them?  There is a 
pretty good availability of moggies, why not Gs?


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On 6/4/16 2:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I see $150k+ Gwagens at the stealership all the time.  Saw an AMG one a few 
weeks ago, I think the window sticker said something stupid like $180k for a 
price.

I just chuckle as I drive by all of these new fangled cars in my W126 diesel.

Dan



On Jun 4, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
wrote:

Andrew sez:


‎have made it abundantly clear >draw the line at crank windows, >particularly 
in a luxury car..

The G-Wagon was not intended to be luxurious went it was conceived. ‎The 
marketing and accounting departments at D-Bag turned it into one.

So D-Bags would buy them.

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

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Andrew & Grant wrote:
> Channeling my inner Trump...

Automatic transmission in G is DISGUSTING and STUPID.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[WILTON via Mercedes]

A 126 does make ya feel good, doesn't it?  I'm still in mourning - double 
mourning now, for a 124 AND a 126.


Wilton

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I see $150k+ Gwagens at the stealership all the time.  Saw an AMG one a few 
weeks ago, I think the window sticker said something stupid like $180k for 
a price.


I just chuckle as I drive by all of these new fangled cars in my W126 
diesel.


Dan


On Jun 4, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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Andrew sez:

‎have made it abundantly clear >draw the line at crank windows, 
 >particularly in a luxury car..


The G-Wagon was not intended to be luxurious went it was conceived. ‎The 
marketing and accounting departments at D-Bag turned it into one.


So D-Bags would buy them.

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I see $150k+ Gwagens at the stealership all the time.  Saw an AMG one a few 
weeks ago, I think the window sticker said something stupid like $180k for a 
price.

I just chuckle as I drive by all of these new fangled cars in my W126 diesel.

Dan


> On Jun 4, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Andrew sez: 
> 
>> ‎have made it abundantly clear >draw the line at crank windows, 
>> >particularly in a luxury car..
> 
> The G-Wagon was not intended to be luxurious went it was conceived. ‎The 
> marketing and accounting departments at D-Bag turned it into one. 
> 
> So D-Bags would buy them. 
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

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Andrew sez: 

>‎have made it abundantly clear >draw the line at crank windows, >particularly 
>in a luxury car..

The G-Wagon was not intended to be luxurious went it was conceived. ‎The 
marketing and accounting departments at D-Bag turned it into one. 

So D-Bags would buy them. 

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

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My point exactly.  It's like buying Kobe beef ground into hamburger for
$50/lb and making sloppy joes.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Karl Wittnebel 
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> I guess that is sort of the point; this gwagen is not a luxury car.
> On Jun 4, 2016 10:29 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> You haven't been paying attention.  I am a jalopinist at heart but have
>> made it abundantly clear draw the line at crank windows, particularly in a
>> luxury car..
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > That surprises me as cheap as you are I figured you would love crank
>> > Windows.
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>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
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>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

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I guess that is sort of the point; this gwagen is not a luxury car.
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> You haven't been paying attention.  I am a jalopinist at heart but have
> made it abundantly clear draw the line at crank windows, particularly in a
> luxury car..
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> > >
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You haven't been paying attention.  I am a jalopinist at heart but have
made it abundantly clear draw the line at crank windows, particularly in a
luxury car..

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That surprises me as cheap as you are I figured you would love crank
> Windows.
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

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That surprises me as cheap as you are I figured you would love crank Windows.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[WILTON via Mercedes]

But they'll work.

Wilton

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To channel my inner Trump - crank windows are DISGUSTING and STUPID.

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

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The gwagen power window lifts are nothing but trouble. The plastic cable
rollers fail and they cost 600/copy to replace. They often last less than
40,000 miles. Manual actuators would save owners thousands. The 05 I had
with less than 50k needed three of them.
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>
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

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Channeling my inner Trump... Yes,, something that is dependable and
actually works is so anti progressive.. how disgusting..


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> To channel my inner Trump - crank windows are DISGUSTING and STUPID.
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

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To channel my inner Trump - crank windows are DISGUSTING and STUPID.

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Re: [MBZ] I want one of these

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> Andrew wrote:
> 
> The five-passenger Bolt, priced about $37,500 excluding a
> $7,500 federal tax credit, has a 10.2-inch touch screen and
> can be recharged to 80 percent of its battery capacity in
> an hour on a 240-volt charger

That is a three point bullet list - presumably the cars top
features.

And one of those is the size of the screen!!??!!??

*sigh*

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Quanto costa?

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

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Become an investor!

--R

On 12/20/12 10:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Quanto costa?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Rich Thomas
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh6z5BW_meE

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Dan Penoff]

Kickstarter.

Dan

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richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Become an investor!
 
 --R
 
 On 12/20/12 10:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 Quanto costa?
 
 On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh6z5BW_meE
 
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Really?  I have funded several of those KS projects.  Some of them are
very cool.  National Treasure was the latest one (Burning Man obelisk,
a project by D.C. Burners who wanted to honor their involvement by
construcing a flammable homage to the Washington Monument)

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1314219360/national-treasure-a-burning-man-core-project


On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 Kickstarter.

 Dan

 On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Become an investor!

 --R

 On 12/20/12 10:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 Quanto costa?

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Dan Penoff]

I just sponsored what I thought was a cool one. A guy who is a graphic artist 
that is making a fine art print poster of the complete ACME catalog from the 
Wile E. Coyote/Road Runner cartoons.

I know, it sounds silly, but it's a really cool poster.

I don't have the link handy but I am sure you could find it on the KickStarter 
site.

Dan just call me Gossamer 

On Dec 20, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Really?  I have funded several of those KS projects.  Some of them are
 very cool.  National Treasure was the latest one (Burning Man obelisk,
 a project by D.C. Burners who wanted to honor their involvement by
 construcing a flammable homage to the Washington Monument)
 
 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1314219360/national-treasure-a-burning-man-core-project
 
 
 On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 Kickstarter.
 
 Dan
 
 On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 
 Become an investor!
 
 --R
 
 On 12/20/12 10:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 Quanto costa?
 
 On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh6z5BW_meE
 
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Dan Penoff]

Here is the link:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fringefocus/the-acme-corporation?ref=email

Dan

On Dec 20, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 I just sponsored what I thought was a cool one. A guy who is a graphic artist 
 that is making a fine art print poster of the complete ACME catalog from the 
 Wile E. Coyote/Road Runner cartoons.
 
 I know, it sounds silly, but it's a really cool poster.
 
 I don't have the link handy but I am sure you could find it on the 
 KickStarter site.
 
 Dan just call me Gossamer 
 
 On Dec 20, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Really?  I have funded several of those KS projects.  Some of them are
 very cool.  National Treasure was the latest one (Burning Man obelisk,
 a project by D.C. Burners who wanted to honor their involvement by
 construcing a flammable homage to the Washington Monument)
 
 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1314219360/national-treasure-a-burning-man-core-project
 
 
 On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 Kickstarter.
 
 Dan
 
 On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 
 Become an investor!
 
 --R
 
 On 12/20/12 10:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 Quanto costa?
 
 On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh6z5BW_meE
 
 --R
 
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Very cool indeed.  They have already exceeded their fundraising goal
by 3500%!  Or is that 35,000%?


On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 Here is the link:

 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fringefocus/the-acme-corporation?ref=email

 Dan

 On Dec 20, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 I just sponsored what I thought was a cool one. A guy who is a graphic 
 artist that is making a fine art print poster of the complete ACME catalog 
 from the Wile E. Coyote/Road Runner cartoons.

 I know, it sounds silly, but it's a really cool poster.

 I don't have the link handy but I am sure you could find it on the 
 KickStarter site.

 Dan just call me Gossamer

 On Dec 20, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Really?  I have funded several of those KS projects.  Some of them are
 very cool.  National Treasure was the latest one (Burning Man obelisk,
 a project by D.C. Burners who wanted to honor their involvement by
 construcing a flammable homage to the Washington Monument)

 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1314219360/national-treasure-a-burning-man-core-project


 On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 Kickstarter.

 Dan

 On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Become an investor!

 --R

 On 12/20/12 10:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 Quanto costa?

 On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh6z5BW_meE

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Mitch Haley]

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

Here is the link:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fringefocus/the-acme-corporation?ref=email


Red on red makes it kind of hard to view. I was sure he forgot the spring shoes 
before I found them on the right edge.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] I want one!

[Mitch Haley]

Jim Cathey wrote:


My understanding is that Otto, diesel, and turbine cycle
engines are all at about the same thermodynamic efficiency
at WOT.  But a turbine offers great simplicity, and if its
tremendous throttle lag isn't a problem and you're going to
run at WOT anyway to recharge quickly, it'd be a great match.




I can remember a couple of hybrids that made the cover of Popular Science in the 
mid 1970s. One was a turbine electric series hybrid. The idea was that a turbine 
running either at max efficiency or off was better than a piston engine running 
all the time.
The other was a Ford LTD powered by a 2.3L Otto engine from a Pinto, 
supplemented by a Rankine engine driven by the Otto engine's exhaust heat. I 
always wondered how much thermal energy was in the exhaust. Is it 1/3 to the 
wheels, 1/3 to the radiator, and 1/3 to the exhaust? Then converting half the 
exhaust energy to work would give you about 50% more efficiency.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] I want one!

[Craig]

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:17:00 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 The other was a Ford LTD powered by a 2.3L Otto engine from a Pinto, 
 supplemented by a Rankine engine driven by the Otto engine's exhaust
 heat. I always wondered how much thermal energy was in the exhaust. Is
 it 1/3 to the wheels, 1/3 to the radiator, and 1/3 to the exhaust?

Yes, those are correct rule-of-thumb, rough numbers.


 Then converting half the exhaust energy to work would give you about 50%
 more efficiency.

Yes, indeed.


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Re: [MBZ] I want one!

[Scott Ritchey]

Don't know if turbines are all that efficient (or simple), but the HP/lb can
be much greater than recips.

Scott Ritchey
1982 300SD 230k mi
-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] I want one!

 gas turbine engines are among the most efficient.

My understanding is that Otto, diesel, and turbine cycle
engines are all at about the same thermodynamic efficiency
at WOT.  But a turbine offers great simplicity, and if its
tremendous throttle lag isn't a problem and you're going to
run at WOT anyway to recharge quickly, it'd be a great match.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] I want one!

[Curt Raymond]

Same is true with rotary engines and they're way less (generally anyway) 
efficient than piston pounders...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 15:35:14 -0400
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Don't know if turbines are all that efficient (or simple), but the HP/lb can
be much greater than recips.

Scott Ritchey
1982 300SD 230k mi
-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 01:15
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I want one!

 gas turbine engines are among the most efficient.

My understanding is that Otto, diesel, and turbine cycle
engines are all at about the same thermodynamic efficiency
at WOT.  But a turbine offers great simplicity, and if its
tremendous throttle lag isn't a problem and you're going to
run at WOT anyway to recharge quickly, it'd be a great match.

-- Jim



  
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Re: [MBZ] I want one!

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

That is pretty nifty - gas turbine engines are among the most efficient.  I 
wonder which fuel provides the most efficient power?  I'll bet that diesel has 
more power density than any of the other possibilities.
 
-Max



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Subject: [MBZ] I want one!



Jaguar C-X75 hybrid concept is part electric, part jet
..
Jaguar has unveiled a new supercar that has much in common with a jet plane.
It'll accelerate quicker than a Lamborghini LP640, has a greater top speed
than a Ferrari 458 Italia, and spews out fewer emissions than a Toyota
Prius.
...
The car is a range-extended electric vehicle. In other words, it's powered
primarily by electric motors and a battery pack, but it's given extra range
(and performance) by an external power source that, in this case, is rather
unusual.
At each wheel, Jaguar's installed an electric motor, each of which delivers
145kW (195bhp) of power. These are driven by a floor-mounted lithium-ion
battery pack that can drive the vehicle for 68 miles on ordinary electric
power alone. When it runs out of juice, it can be topped up via a standard
household mains outlet or be given a boost via two 70kW (94bhp) micro gas
turbines.
These gas turbines get their power from a flow of combustion gas -- diesel,
biofuels, compressed natural gas, or liquified petroleum gas (the C-X75 has
a 60-litre tank that accommodates all four). This fuel is mixed with air and
ignited to charge the car's batteries to extend its range, but can also be
used to power the electric motors directly in order to boost performance -- 
a lot.
With the batteries and turbines working in tandem, Jaguar believes the car
will do 0-60mph in 3.4 seconds and hit a top speed of 205mph. Apparently,
it'll even accelerate from 50-90mph in just 2.3 seconds and do a
quarter-mile sprint in just 10.3 seconds, so there's a strong chance it'll
be quicker than almost anything.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cartech/jaguar-c-x75-hybrid-concept-is-part-electric-part-frickin-jet-596/


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Re: [MBZ] I want one!

[Mountain Man]

Max wrote:
 That is pretty nifty - gas turbine engines are among the most efficient.

I recall watching a gas turbine engined rail car at the speedway back
in 1984 or so.  It was at the red rocks speedway run by some motor
supply house in Denver.  It's parachute did not deploy on time, so it
ended up off the speedway... too bad.  Fast...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] I want one!

[Jim Cathey]

gas turbine engines are among the most efficient.


My understanding is that Otto, diesel, and turbine cycle
engines are all at about the same thermodynamic efficiency
at WOT.  But a turbine offers great simplicity, and if its
tremendous throttle lag isn't a problem and you're going to
run at WOT anyway to recharge quickly, it'd be a great match.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:12:31 -0400 Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 chrome://feedbar/content/full_preview.html?idx=15

What is it? This is not a URL.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Rich Thomas]

hmmm, weird, that was what shows up in the URL bar, did not look at it.  
Here it is  
http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/08/self-balancing_one_wheel_electric_s.html


--R

On 8/20/2010 12:36 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:12:31 -0400 Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:

   

chrome://feedbar/content/full_preview.html?idx=15
 

What is it? This is not a URL.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:00:47 -0400 Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 hmmm, weird, that was what shows up in the URL bar, did not look at
 it. Here it is  
 http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/08/self-balancing_one_wheel_electric_s.html

Very interesting. A one-wheeled motorcycle.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Mitch Haley]

Craig McCluskey wrote:


Very interesting. A one-wheeled motorcycle.


How about a motorcycle with one hub?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwe-mZjvuVE

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[andrew strasfogel]

Self denial will make you strong, Rich. Resist the temptation.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/06/mercedes-amg-sls-e-cell/

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Rich Thomas]

No fun though.

--R

On 6/22/2010 10:04 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

Self denial will make you strong, Rich. Resist the temptation.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:

   

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/06/mercedes-amg-sls-e-cell/

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Re: [MBZ] I want one

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:40:12 -0400 Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/06/mercedes-amg-sls-e-cell/

What he said. The Porsche 918 isn't too bad, either. :-)


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