subject:"Re\: \[MBZ\] Irma"

That's what I heard somewhere. It's going to be like sharknado.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 14:01:45 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Good luck? They say sharks are dropping out of it so hopefully none hit
>> you.
> 
> So in Florida, instead of raining cats and dogs, it rains sharks?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 14:01:45 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Good luck? They say sharks are dropping out of it so hopefully none hit
> you.

So in Florida, instead of raining cats and dogs, it rains sharks?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Irma

Good luck? They say sharks are dropping out of it so hopefully none hit you.

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> On Sep 9, 2017, at 1:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My house, like most built since the mid 1990s, is of concrete block 
> construction. There are pins embedded in the slab.  Those plns are tied to 
> rods that go up through the walls and through a lintel that is “U” shaped and 
> is on the top course of block all the way around the house.  The roof trusses 
> have straps wrapped around them that extend down into that lintel and are 
> wrapped around the trusses.
> 
> When everything is tied together, the “U” shaped trough in the lintel is 
> filled with grout (thin concrete) all the way around.  That ties the roof, 
> walls and foundation together as a single unit.  This is approved hurricane 
> code construction in Florida and has been proven to be quite resistant to 
> such events.
> 
> It all boils down to maintaining the envelope.  As long as we can prevent 
> damage to the envelope of the house, we’ll be fine.  The only concern at this 
> point is the integrity of the roof.  We don’t have any gables to speak of, 
> which is good.  Gables can be blown in, allowing wind under the roof and 
> possibly lofting it off the structure.
> 
> The topography of Houston is such that it’s prone to flooding.  I’ve been 
> there during heavy rains and the streets flood.  Not the case here.  Irma 
> will not be a rain event - we might get between 5”-15” of rain for the whole 
> event.  That’s nothing here and something we can handle.  The important thing 
> to watch out for is the storm surge that can occur when the storm forces 
> water up rivers and streams coupled with the tides.
> 
> Gotta get back out and finish boarding up.  Got two more windows to do and 
> I’m done.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2017, at 1:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So no danger of the wind blowing your house down? I thought I saw in the 
>> Harvey deal there were a lot of houses flooded that were not in the flood 
>> zone, so would not be covered by insurance because they didn't have flood 
>> insurance.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes

Hang in there, Poos.  Keep an eye out for itinerant gators!   ;-)

-MMM-

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My house, like most built since the mid 1990s, is of concrete block
> construction. There are pins embedded in the slab.  Those plns are tied to
> rods that go up through the walls and through a lintel that is “U” shaped
> and is on the top course of block all the way around the house.  The roof
> trusses have straps wrapped around them that extend down into that lintel
> and are wrapped around the trusses.
>
> When everything is tied together, the “U” shaped trough in the lintel is
> filled with grout (thin concrete) all the way around.  That ties the roof,
> walls and foundation together as a single unit.  This is approved hurricane
> code construction in Florida and has been proven to be quite resistant to
> such events.
>
> It all boils down to maintaining the envelope.  As long as we can prevent
> damage to the envelope of the house, we’ll be fine.  The only concern at
> this point is the integrity of the roof.  We don’t have any gables to speak
> of, which is good.  Gables can be blown in, allowing wind under the roof
> and possibly lofting it off the structure.
>
> The topography of Houston is such that it’s prone to flooding.  I’ve been
> there during heavy rains and the streets flood.  Not the case here.  Irma
> will not be a rain event - we might get between 5”-15” of rain for the
> whole event.  That’s nothing here and something we can handle.  The
> important thing to watch out for is the storm surge that can occur when the
> storm forces water up rivers and streams coupled with the tides.
>
> Gotta get back out and finish boarding up.  Got two more windows to do and
> I’m done.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Sep 9, 2017, at 1:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > So no danger of the wind blowing your house down? I thought I saw in the
> Harvey deal there were a lot of houses flooded that were not in the flood
> zone, so would not be covered by insurance because they didn't have flood
> insurance.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
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Re: [MBZ] Irma & coriolis

2017-09-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

The latest radar seems to show Emma barreling West over Cuba, apparently
headed for the open gulf. That would spare Tampa and Naples a direct hit.
Something to think about...

On Sep 9, 2017 2:38 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I would like to pass on this demonstration, please.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Sep 9, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 12:51:26 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> How's Irma for a fantastic demonstration of the Coriolis effect?  A
> >> rising column of air generated by heat from the sun and shaped (spun)
> >> by Earth's rotation and spherical shape.
> >
> > If you go to http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/atir.html you can
> readily
> > see that in hurricanes Irma and José. Yesterday, you could also see it in
> > hurricane Katia, but that one ran into Mexico and dissipated.
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Irma & coriolis

I would like to pass on this demonstration, please.

Thank you.

-D


> On Sep 9, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 12:51:26 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> How's Irma for a fantastic demonstration of the Coriolis effect?  A
>> rising column of air generated by heat from the sun and shaped (spun)
>> by Earth's rotation and spherical shape.
> 
> If you go to http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/atir.html you can readily
> see that in hurricanes Irma and José. Yesterday, you could also see it in
> hurricane Katia, but that one ran into Mexico and dissipated.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

My house, like most built since the mid 1990s, is of concrete block 
construction. There are pins embedded in the slab.  Those plns are tied to rods 
that go up through the walls and through a lintel that is “U” shaped and is on 
the top course of block all the way around the house.  The roof trusses have 
straps wrapped around them that extend down into that lintel and are wrapped 
around the trusses.

When everything is tied together, the “U” shaped trough in the lintel is filled 
with grout (thin concrete) all the way around.  That ties the roof, walls and 
foundation together as a single unit.  This is approved hurricane code 
construction in Florida and has been proven to be quite resistant to such 
events.

It all boils down to maintaining the envelope.  As long as we can prevent 
damage to the envelope of the house, we’ll be fine.  The only concern at this 
point is the integrity of the roof.  We don’t have any gables to speak of, 
which is good.  Gables can be blown in, allowing wind under the roof and 
possibly lofting it off the structure.

The topography of Houston is such that it’s prone to flooding.  I’ve been there 
during heavy rains and the streets flood.  Not the case here.  Irma will not be 
a rain event - we might get between 5”-15” of rain for the whole event.  That’s 
nothing here and something we can handle.  The important thing to watch out for 
is the storm surge that can occur when the storm forces water up rivers and 
streams coupled with the tides.

Gotta get back out and finish boarding up.  Got two more windows to do and I’m 
done.

-D

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 1:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So no danger of the wind blowing your house down? I thought I saw in the 
> Harvey deal there were a lot of houses flooded that were not in the flood 
> zone, so would not be covered by insurance because they didn't have flood 
> insurance.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Irma & coriolis

2017-09-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 12:51:26 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:

> How's Irma for a fantastic demonstration of the Coriolis effect?  A
> rising column of air generated by heat from the sun and shaped (spun)
> by Earth's rotation and spherical shape.

If you go to http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/atir.html you can readily
see that in hurricanes Irma and José. Yesterday, you could also see it in
hurricane Katia, but that one ran into Mexico and dissipated.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-09 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Sounds good Dan, glad to hear you're almost ready.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

So no danger of the wind blowing your house down? I thought I saw in the Harvey 
deal there were a lot of houses flooded that were not in the flood zone, so 
would not be covered by insurance because they didn't have flood insurance.

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> On Sep 9, 2017, at 12:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There’s little to be gained by leaving unless your property is in a flood 
> zone.  Our house was built to hurricane code less than 20 years ago, and even 
> at that time the changes to the code were substantial due to the devastation 
> Andrew wreaked on south Florida.  As long as we can protect the openings, 
> like the windows, we should be fine.
> 
> Worst part might be the loss of power, but our area has all underground 
> utilities and is fed by two different utility substations on a loop feeder.  
> That means no matter which one comes back up first, we get juice.  The 
> transmission lines that serve the substations are primary feeders, meaning 
> they have priority over everything else when it comes to restoring service.
> 
> We’ve got water, a generator, plenty of fuel and food.  If we had to live 
> without power or the ability to get out, we could easily survive a week.  
> That’s not to say I would like it, but you have to do what you have to do.
> 
> There’s no question this is going to suck big time, especially since we’ll be 
> getting it overnight, but we’ll get through safely.  I was having major 
> league  anxiety over all this up until today, but now that I’m convinced 
> we’re properly prepared I feel a lot better.  By tomorrow mid-day all we’ll 
> be able to do is hunker down and ride it out.
> 
> Sucks to miss the ‘Q, too.  Next year.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well the difference is we do not have days or weeks advanced warning, we 
>> have minutes usually. They are not 400 miles wide, or 50 miles wide at the 
>> eye. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-09 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

You'll be good, better off than sitting on I-95 while it blows over.  If 
you need to head up north at any point, let me know, plenty of room at 
the inn and I think we'll do pretty well.


--R


On 9/9/17 1:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

There’s little to be gained by leaving unless your property is in a flood zone. 
 Our house was built to hurricane code less than 20 years ago, and even at that 
time the changes to the code were substantial due to the devastation Andrew 
wreaked on south Florida.  As long as we can protect the openings, like the 
windows, we should be fine.

Worst part might be the loss of power, but our area has all underground 
utilities and is fed by two different utility substations on a loop feeder.  
That means no matter which one comes back up first, we get juice.  The 
transmission lines that serve the substations are primary feeders, meaning they 
have priority over everything else when it comes to restoring service.

We’ve got water, a generator, plenty of fuel and food.  If we had to live 
without power or the ability to get out, we could easily survive a week.  
That’s not to say I would like it, but you have to do what you have to do.

There’s no question this is going to suck big time, especially since we’ll be 
getting it overnight, but we’ll get through safely.  I was having major league  
anxiety over all this up until today, but now that I’m convinced we’re properly 
prepared I feel a lot better.  By tomorrow mid-day all we’ll be able to do is 
hunker down and ride it out.

Sucks to miss the ‘Q, too.  Next year.

-D


On Sep 9, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Well the difference is we do not have days or weeks advanced warning, we have 
minutes usually. They are not 400 miles wide, or 50 miles wide at the eye.

Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] Irma

There’s little to be gained by leaving unless your property is in a flood zone. 
 Our house was built to hurricane code less than 20 years ago, and even at that 
time the changes to the code were substantial due to the devastation Andrew 
wreaked on south Florida.  As long as we can protect the openings, like the 
windows, we should be fine.

Worst part might be the loss of power, but our area has all underground 
utilities and is fed by two different utility substations on a loop feeder.  
That means no matter which one comes back up first, we get juice.  The 
transmission lines that serve the substations are primary feeders, meaning they 
have priority over everything else when it comes to restoring service.

We’ve got water, a generator, plenty of fuel and food.  If we had to live 
without power or the ability to get out, we could easily survive a week.  
That’s not to say I would like it, but you have to do what you have to do.

There’s no question this is going to suck big time, especially since we’ll be 
getting it overnight, but we’ll get through safely.  I was having major league  
anxiety over all this up until today, but now that I’m convinced we’re properly 
prepared I feel a lot better.  By tomorrow mid-day all we’ll be able to do is 
hunker down and ride it out.

Sucks to miss the ‘Q, too.  Next year.

-D

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well the difference is we do not have days or weeks advanced warning, we have 
> minutes usually. They are not 400 miles wide, or 50 miles wide at the eye. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Irma

Well the difference is we do not have days or weeks advanced warning, we have 
minutes usually. They are not 400 miles wide, or 50 miles wide at the eye. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Let me pose that question to you next time there’s a tornado…
> 
> -D cooling off between hanging sheets of plywood (almost done!)
> 
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2017, at 10:05 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe you should have already left?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

Let me pose that question to you next time there’s a tornado…

-D cooling off between hanging sheets of plywood (almost done!)


> On Sep 9, 2017, at 10:05 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maybe you should have already left?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-09 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

BTW this guy has a page that has EVERYTHING on it, he is live on FB 
right now Mike's Weather Page.  Not a weather professional just a nerd 
it seems, he just presents info as he sees things on the various sites 
he links to.


http://www.spaghettimodels.com/

--R


On 9/9/17 9:30 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
A coupla days ago it looked like we were going to get whacked badly, 
today the track looks like it will go right over your community.


Looks like we are going to get wind, rain, tidal surge, tornadoes, 
etc. but might not be quite as bad here as Matthew was last October, 
so that is better for us here.  No bueno for y'all though...


Stay safe, keep us all updated as you can.

--R


On 9/9/17 7:19 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
Regardless of what is being said, right now the track has shifted 
west and it could potentially be bearing down right on top of us. Not 
good.


I will be heading outside shortly to finish hanging plywood. After 
that I will be gathering all of our bug-out stuff so we have it ready 
should the structure become uninhabitable.


This is not going to be pleasant.

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Irma

Maybe you should have already left?

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> On Sep 9, 2017, at 6:19 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Regardless of what is being said, right now the track has shifted west and it 
> could potentially be bearing down right on top of us. Not good.
> 
> I will be heading outside shortly to finish hanging plywood.  After that I 
> will be gathering all of our bug-out stuff so we have it ready should the 
> structure become uninhabitable.
> 
> This is not going to be pleasant.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2017, at 10:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 01:28:53 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> No way it's going east now it's on a western track already hitting
>>> Cuba. Watching MSNBC at Dwight's how do people stand this garbage, they
>>> keep on about Cat5 and huge winds while the bug at the bottom says
>>> Cat4band winds starting to drop. They want the storm to stay big so bad
>>> they can taste it.
>> 
>> It's all a typical scare-mongering tactic. They want to take every
>> opportunity to say we have the worst weather in eons and it's all due to
>> man-caused global warming/climate change and we MUST do something very
>> expensive in dollars and freedom NOW or we are all doomed!
>> 
>> I was reading something earlier today -- I think it was
>> https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/extremely-dangerous-cat-5-irma-storms-leeward-islands
>> -- that compared Irma to other "classic" hurricanes. It IS a MAJOR
>> hurricane, but not that outlandish compared with Hurricanes Allen (1980),
>> Hugo (1989), Gilbert (1988), Wilma (2005) and the Labor Day hurricane of
>> 1935.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-09 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

A coupla days ago it looked like we were going to get whacked badly, 
today the track looks like it will go right over your community.


Looks like we are going to get wind, rain, tidal surge, tornadoes, etc. 
but might not be quite as bad here as Matthew was last October, so that 
is better for us here.  No bueno for y'all though...


Stay safe, keep us all updated as you can.

--R


On 9/9/17 7:19 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Regardless of what is being said, right now the track has shifted west and it 
could potentially be bearing down right on top of us. Not good.

I will be heading outside shortly to finish hanging plywood.  After that I will 
be gathering all of our bug-out stuff so we have it ready should the structure 
become uninhabitable.

This is not going to be pleasant.

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 07:19:26 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Regardless of what is being said, right now the track has shifted west
> and it could potentially be bearing down right on top of us. Not good.
> 
> I will be heading outside shortly to finish hanging plywood.  After
> that I will be gathering all of our bug-out stuff so we have it ready
> should the structure become uninhabitable.
> 
> This is not going to be pleasant.

I thought you had all the prep work done already -- that's why I made the
comments about your interminable wait in my email about generator heads.

You are in our prayers. May the Lord watch over you and yours.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-09 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Ugly, looks like she's still a Cat 3 storm at Tampa.

Stay safe!
-- 
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300

On September 9, 2017 7:19:26 AM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Regardless of what is being said, right now the track has shifted west
>and it could potentially be bearing down right on top of us. Not good.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-09 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Take care Dan. You are in our thoughts.
Dwight &  the Q crowd.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sep 9, 2017 7:20 AM, "Dan--- via Mercedes"  wrote:

Regardless of what is being said, right now the track has shifted west and
it could potentially be bearing down right on top of us. Not good.

I will be heading outside shortly to finish hanging plywood.  After that I
will be gathering all of our bug-out stuff so we have it ready should the
structure become uninhabitable.

This is not going to be pleasant.

-D

> On Sep 8, 2017, at 10:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:
>
> On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 01:28:53 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>> No way it's going east now it's on a western track already hitting
>> Cuba. Watching MSNBC at Dwight's how do people stand this garbage, they
>> keep on about Cat5 and huge winds while the bug at the bottom says
>> Cat4band winds starting to drop. They want the storm to stay big so bad
>> they can taste it.
>
> It's all a typical scare-mongering tactic. They want to take every
> opportunity to say we have the worst weather in eons and it's all due to
> man-caused global warming/climate change and we MUST do something very
> expensive in dollars and freedom NOW or we are all doomed!
>
> I was reading something earlier today -- I think it was
> https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/extremely-dangerous-cat-
5-irma-storms-leeward-islands
> -- that compared Irma to other "classic" hurricanes. It IS a MAJOR
> hurricane, but not that outlandish compared with Hurricanes Allen (1980),
> Hugo (1989), Gilbert (1988), Wilma (2005) and the Labor Day hurricane of
> 1935.
>
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-09 Thread MG via Mercedes


It sucks but can't do anything about it. Good luck Dan.

MG

Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Regardless of what is being said, right now the track has shifted west and it 
could potentially be bearing down right on top of us. Not good.

I will be heading outside shortly to finish hanging plywood.  After that I will 
be gathering all of our bug-out stuff so we have it ready should the structure 
become uninhabitable.

This is not going to be pleasant.

-D


On Sep 8, 2017, at 10:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 01:28:53 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:


No way it's going east now it's on a western track already hitting
Cuba. Watching MSNBC at Dwight's how do people stand this garbage, they
keep on about Cat5 and huge winds while the bug at the bottom says
Cat4band winds starting to drop. They want the storm to stay big so bad
they can taste it.

It's all a typical scare-mongering tactic. They want to take every
opportunity to say we have the worst weather in eons and it's all due to
man-caused global warming/climate change and we MUST do something very
expensive in dollars and freedom NOW or we are all doomed!

I was reading something earlier today -- I think it was
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/extremely-dangerous-cat-5-irma-storms-leeward-islands
-- that compared Irma to other "classic" hurricanes. It IS a MAJOR
hurricane, but not that outlandish compared with Hurricanes Allen (1980),
Hugo (1989), Gilbert (1988), Wilma (2005) and the Labor Day hurricane of
1935.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-09 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

Regardless of what is being said, right now the track has shifted west and it 
could potentially be bearing down right on top of us. Not good.

I will be heading outside shortly to finish hanging plywood.  After that I will 
be gathering all of our bug-out stuff so we have it ready should the structure 
become uninhabitable.

This is not going to be pleasant.

-D

> On Sep 8, 2017, at 10:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 01:28:53 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> No way it's going east now it's on a western track already hitting
>> Cuba. Watching MSNBC at Dwight's how do people stand this garbage, they
>> keep on about Cat5 and huge winds while the bug at the bottom says
>> Cat4band winds starting to drop. They want the storm to stay big so bad
>> they can taste it.
> 
> It's all a typical scare-mongering tactic. They want to take every
> opportunity to say we have the worst weather in eons and it's all due to
> man-caused global warming/climate change and we MUST do something very
> expensive in dollars and freedom NOW or we are all doomed!
> 
> I was reading something earlier today -- I think it was
> https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/extremely-dangerous-cat-5-irma-storms-leeward-islands
> -- that compared Irma to other "classic" hurricanes. It IS a MAJOR
> hurricane, but not that outlandish compared with Hurricanes Allen (1980),
> Hugo (1989), Gilbert (1988), Wilma (2005) and the Labor Day hurricane of
> 1935.
> 
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 01:28:53 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> No way it's going east now it's on a western track already hitting
> Cuba. Watching MSNBC at Dwight's how do people stand this garbage, they
> keep on about Cat5 and huge winds while the bug at the bottom says
> Cat4band winds starting to drop. They want the storm to stay big so bad
> they can taste it.

It's all a typical scare-mongering tactic. They want to take every
opportunity to say we have the worst weather in eons and it's all due to
man-caused global warming/climate change and we MUST do something very
expensive in dollars and freedom NOW or we are all doomed!

I was reading something earlier today -- I think it was
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/extremely-dangerous-cat-5-irma-storms-leeward-islands
-- that compared Irma to other "classic" hurricanes. It IS a MAJOR
hurricane, but not that outlandish compared with Hurricanes Allen (1980),
Hugo (1989), Gilbert (1988), Wilma (2005) and the Labor Day hurricane of
1935.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

No way it's going east now it's on a western track already hitting Cuba.
Watching MSNBC at Dwight's how do people stand this garbage, they keep on about
Cat5 and huge winds while the bug at the bottom says Cat4band winds starting to
drop. They want the storm to stay big so bad they can taste it.

Curt

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On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 9:17 PM, archer75--- via
Mercedes wrote: The Brits predict a different course
than the U.S. Weather Bureau; a course up the east coast of Florida which sees
it hitting the Georgia coast at 8pm Monday. No prediction beyond then at 8pm
Friday EST.
If it stays over the water it could hold its high cat ratings.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/07/where-is-hurricane-irma-heading-mapping-the-path-of-destruction
~

The world’s most powerful hurricane – which has winds gusting up to 235mph –
will cut a swathe through the Orange State flattening towns and cities and
leaving almost no areas untouched.

At its widest point Florida is 160 miles across – whereas Hurricane Irma is
currently 400 miles wide.

The most powerful winds exist close to the eye of the storm – but this is about
25 miles across and hurricane experts have said the winds are so powerful that
catastrophic damage is expected for 60 miles on each side of the eye.

He said although 71 main models were tracking Hurricane Irma - with differing
results – the two main ones were the European one from the European Centre for
Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF) and an American counterpart knows as the
North American GFS model.

Mr Sater added: “The European model brings the hurricane over Cuba – and it
could devastate Cuba.

“The American model doesn’t hit Cuba but slides up the east coast causing light
damage rather than catastrophic.

“BUT THEM IT GOES CLOSE TO THE CAROLINAS.”

Using multiple satellites and high-power super computers forecasters are
confident they can exactly predict the path of Hurricane Irma for 24 hours to
48 hours.

But longer term it is more difficult and where the models diverge.

However, the European forecast model is known to outperform all of the world’s
other global forecasting systems, including the GFS model.

Famously the European model’s superiority was proven in the week before
Hurricane Sandy’s devastating landfall in 2012. Out of more than a dozen
computer forecasts, only ECMWF showed the storm veering along a path toward the
East Coast of the United States instead of staying harmlessly out to sea.

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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

*Potential effects on Georgia and the Carolina*

Beyond Florida, there is a risk for destructive winds and a serious storm
surge up to Georgia and the Carolinas, but the details greatly depend on
the track over Florida.

“There is a chance of direct impacts in portions of Georgia, South
Carolina, and North Carolina, but it is too early to specify the magnitude
and location of these impacts,” the Hurricane Center said early Friday.

If Irma rides up the spine of Florida, even though it will lose some
strength, its circulation is enormous so it would still likely push a
significant storm surge toward the Georgia and South Carolina coasts.
Tropical-storm and even hurricane-force winds would also likely affect much
of Georgia and perhaps sections of South Carolina (especially the south and
southwest).

Even a track up the west coast of Florida would likely bring strong winds
and surge to the Georgia and Carolina coasts.

The worst case for these states would be if Irma narrowly misses the east
coast of Florida, stays over warm water and then hits them while
maintaining its strength. A potential landfall along the Southeast coast
would be Monday — and would bring a devastating storm surge and destructive
winds to coastal locations.

In any of the scenarios, there is the likelihood of very heavy rain over
much of Georgia and into the Carolinas, and areas of flash flooding.

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> "Three Things We know About Irma:
> 1. Irma is one of the most powerful storms ever recorded
>
> Hurricane Irma is a Category 5 storm and a "dangerous major hurricane,"
> according to the National Weather Service. Longtime observers have been
> shocked by its power and have warned that it could be one of the most
> infamous storms in Atlantic hurricane history. "Irma has me sick to my
> stomach," Eric Blake, a scientist at the National Hurricane Center, wrote
> in a Twitter message. "This hurricane is as serious as any I have seen. No
> hype, just the hard facts. Take every life saving precaution you can."
>
> The storm statistics for Irma are stunning in their power to devastate.
> Irma has two eyewalls, with winds clocked at 185 mph at its center and at
> more than 100 mph at its second eyewall. It's moving to the west at 16 mph.
> Wind gusts have hit 210 mph.
>
> The hurricane's strongest sustained winds, at 185 mph, blew for more than
> 65 consecutive hours, something no other tropical cyclone has done in the
> modern satellite era, which began 50 years ago, according to Philip
> Klotzbach, a meteorologist at Colorado State University.
>
> Irma also has one of the lowest pressures, at 914 millibars, ever recorded
> in a storm, according to Blake. Low pressure helps to form hurricanes, as a
> cycle of warm air rushes upward and cold air sinks. As that process
> happens, over and over, hurricanes become more powerful. The last Category
> 5 hurricane to hit Florida, Andrew in 1992, had a similar pressure rating,
> at 922 millibars. That number is expected to keep fluctuating in the coming
> days and will give researchers an idea of Irma's power before it makes
> landfall.
>
> Irma is also one of three hurricanes now formed in the Atlantic Ocean,
> something that has not happened in seven years. It is followed by Hurricane
> Jose, which was upgraded to Category 3 yesterday, though it is unclear
> whether that storm will hit the United States. Hurricane Katia, a Category
> 1 storm, is on track to hit southern Mexico this weekend. The only other
> times there were three hurricanes in the Atlantic, when at least two of
> them were considered major storms, were in 1893, 1961 and 2010, according
> to Klotzbach.
>
> The destructive power of hurricanes is largely informed by the geography
> of the region they hit. Flooding caused most of the damage to Houston when
> it was struck by Harvey, because of the way the city is laid out and how
> the storm parked over the city for days. In Florida, high winds could cause
> tremendous destruction. A Category 5 storm can rip off roofs, crumble walls
> and shred electrical grid infrastructure. Miami is one of the nation's most
> vulnerable cities to sea-level rise, and it already experiences nuisance
> flooding on sunny days. A storm surge of 10 feet, which is predicted, could
> devastate a significant swath of the city.
>
> What's more, Florida is a much different state from when it was devastated
> by Hurricane Andrew in 1992. It has seen a building boom, and there are
> millions more people there. The population has grown 24 percent since 2000,
> from 16 million to about 20 million.
>
> The storm can't yet be seen from the Florida coastline, but officials are
> already thinking about rebuilding the infrastructure it threatens to
> demolish. Yesterday, a Florida Power & Light Co. official said that even
> though the utility was prepared for the storm, it could lead to "a rebuild
> of our entire infrastructure." Even more

Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

"Three Things We know About Irma:
1. Irma is one of the most powerful storms ever recorded

Hurricane Irma is a Category 5 storm and a "dangerous major hurricane,"
according to the National Weather Service. Longtime observers have been
shocked by its power and have warned that it could be one of the most
infamous storms in Atlantic hurricane history. "Irma has me sick to my
stomach," Eric Blake, a scientist at the National Hurricane Center, wrote
in a Twitter message. "This hurricane is as serious as any I have seen. No
hype, just the hard facts. Take every life saving precaution you can."

The storm statistics for Irma are stunning in their power to devastate.
Irma has two eyewalls, with winds clocked at 185 mph at its center and at
more than 100 mph at its second eyewall. It's moving to the west at 16 mph.
Wind gusts have hit 210 mph.

The hurricane's strongest sustained winds, at 185 mph, blew for more than
65 consecutive hours, something no other tropical cyclone has done in the
modern satellite era, which began 50 years ago, according to Philip
Klotzbach, a meteorologist at Colorado State University.

Irma also has one of the lowest pressures, at 914 millibars, ever recorded
in a storm, according to Blake. Low pressure helps to form hurricanes, as a
cycle of warm air rushes upward and cold air sinks. As that process
happens, over and over, hurricanes become more powerful. The last Category
5 hurricane to hit Florida, Andrew in 1992, had a similar pressure rating,
at 922 millibars. That number is expected to keep fluctuating in the coming
days and will give researchers an idea of Irma's power before it makes
landfall.

Irma is also one of three hurricanes now formed in the Atlantic Ocean,
something that has not happened in seven years. It is followed by Hurricane
Jose, which was upgraded to Category 3 yesterday, though it is unclear
whether that storm will hit the United States. Hurricane Katia, a Category
1 storm, is on track to hit southern Mexico this weekend. The only other
times there were three hurricanes in the Atlantic, when at least two of
them were considered major storms, were in 1893, 1961 and 2010, according
to Klotzbach.

The destructive power of hurricanes is largely informed by the geography of
the region they hit. Flooding caused most of the damage to Houston when it
was struck by Harvey, because of the way the city is laid out and how the
storm parked over the city for days. In Florida, high winds could cause
tremendous destruction. A Category 5 storm can rip off roofs, crumble walls
and shred electrical grid infrastructure. Miami is one of the nation's most
vulnerable cities to sea-level rise, and it already experiences nuisance
flooding on sunny days. A storm surge of 10 feet, which is predicted, could
devastate a significant swath of the city.

What's more, Florida is a much different state from when it was devastated
by Hurricane Andrew in 1992. It has seen a building boom, and there are
millions more people there. The population has grown 24 percent since 2000,
from 16 million to about 20 million.

The storm can't yet be seen from the Florida coastline, but officials are
already thinking about rebuilding the infrastructure it threatens to
demolish. Yesterday, a Florida Power & Light Co. official said that even
though the utility was prepared for the storm, it could lead to "a rebuild
of our entire infrastructure." Even more dramatically, the National Weather
Service has warned that parts of Florida may be uninhabitable for weeks or
months.
2. A complicated relationship between Irma and climate change

Yes, climate change is affecting Irma, but scientists don't claim it's
causing the storm. The hurricane is spinning over waters that have warmed
in the last century as a result of human activity. Oceans absorb about 90
percent of man-made warming, and warm waters fuel hurricane activity,
according to NASA. And climate change has led to more water vapor in the
atmosphere, which increases rainfall totals. Irma threatens to drop 2 to 20
inches of rain on Florida, and it has the potential to create
"life-threatening flash floods and mudslides."

In Florida, sea-level rise is already causing flooding. Storm surges of 5
to 10 feet, which the National Weather Service said are "life threatening,"
are predicted for much of South Florida.

Florida is also experiencing sea-level rise as a result of glacial melting,
according to a paper published yesterday in *Geophysical Research Letters*.
Melting glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica have caused sea-level rise in
some regions more than others. The non-uniform rise is a result of gravity
being altered. Melting from Antarctica has led to 52 percent greater
sea-level rise in Florida than in other parts of the world, according to
Isabella Velicogna, an earth science professor at the University of
California, Irvine, and the paper's author. And if Antarctic melting
increases, as some research predicts, that sea-level rise will become more

Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes


As long as we got FEMA ice I don't care where I am!

--R


On 9/8/17 9:36 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

He's part of the special corp that's going to round us up into those
"re-education camps" when the UN imposes the New World Order.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:


FEMA status?




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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

He's part of the special corp that's going to round us up into those
"re-education camps" when the UN imposes the New World Order.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> FEMA status?
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

As a (county) government employee I am obligated as a part of my job to report 
for duty in the event of an emergency.  This is mandatory for acceptance of a 
position within the County government.  I am certified at several levels with 
FEMA organizational and operational training.

If our emergency operations center is activated, as it is currently, I am on 
24/7 call should I be needed.  If FEMA comes into the area to provide aid, I 
would come under the direction of any efforts they make towards remediation and 
rescue.  While my primary function would be related to my County job (IT 
security), due to my former career in emergency power systems I would most 
likely be assigned to management and operation of County owned generators or 
those brought in by FEMA.

-D

> On Sep 8, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:25:50 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I've been activated for my FEMA status, but there's nothing to do in
>> that regard unless I get called up.
> 
> FEMA status?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:25:50 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I've been activated for my FEMA status, but there's nothing to do in
> that regard unless I get called up.

FEMA status?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread MG via Mercedes

The local stations all are saying 70 with gusts to 80. About what 
a good thunderstorm gives us here.


Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Even if it comes right up the middle of the peninsula that will take a lot of 
steam out of it. By the time it would reach Manfred it could easily be down to 
a CAT 1 storm.

Made my last run out this morning about 6:30 to get cash. No problem with the 
ATM, stopped by the WaWa to top off the car and it was busy, but no lines.

I'm probably going to cut the grass today and generally lay around. Work is 
closed today and Monday. I've been activated for my FEMA status, but there's 
nothing to do in that regard unless I get called up.

-D


On Sep 8, 2017, at 8:17 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:

Still waiting. The euro version still has it off the coast. We'll see. Not 
really going to worry about it. The flying junk is picked up or tied down, the 
gen works and I have gas so good to go.

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Looking better and better for us here in the Carolinas
Dan-n-Manfred-Land, not so good...
-
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

Even if it comes right up the middle of the peninsula that will take a lot of 
steam out of it. By the time it would reach Manfred it could easily be down to 
a CAT 1 storm.

Made my last run out this morning about 6:30 to get cash. No problem with the 
ATM, stopped by the WaWa to top off the car and it was busy, but no lines.

I'm probably going to cut the grass today and generally lay around. Work is 
closed today and Monday. I've been activated for my FEMA status, but there's 
nothing to do in that regard unless I get called up.

-D

> On Sep 8, 2017, at 8:17 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Still waiting. The euro version still has it off the coast. We'll see. Not 
> really going to worry about it. The flying junk is picked up or tied down, 
> the gen works and I have gas so good to go.
> 
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> Looking better and better for us here in the Carolinas
>> Dan-n-Manfred-Land, not so good...
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Ok. That would be great. We plan to keep on getting together every year.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sep 8, 2017 7:55 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Do enjoy your get-together guys, one of these days I'm going to make it up
> there for the Chowda-Q.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Take care. We will think of you tomorrow.
> > Dwight
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
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> >
> > On Sep 8, 2017 7:13 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yup, that’s the current model, so no one is going to be spared.  I’m
> > > continuing to watch the forecasts and will probably start hanging
> plywood
> > > Saturday morning if nothing changes.  Got plenty of water, food, fuel,
> > > batteries and cash, so we’re as prepared as we can be.
> > >
> > > It sucks, for sure.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Max sez‎:
> > > >
> > > >> ‎Looking better and better for us here in >the Carolinas
> > > >> Dan-n-Manfred-Land, not so good...
> > > >
> > > > Just watched the local (Chicago) news.
> > > > They showed Irma going straight up Florida, with the entire state
> > > getting hurricane force winds.
> > > >
> > > > https://youtu.be/S7Fu-v490-c
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread MG via Mercedes

Still waiting. The euro version still has it off the coast. We'll 
see. Not really going to worry about it. The flying junk is 
picked up or tied down, the gen works and I have gas so good to go.


Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Looking better and better for us here in the Carolinas
Dan-n-Manfred-Land, not so good...

-
Max
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Thanks! This is two years in a row we’ve missed out.  Next year for sure!

Send ugly thoughts to Irma and make her veer out into the Atlantic, please.

While I’ve got all the requisite supplies and a CAT 5 shelter within walking 
distance, I am not looking forward to this storm.  One thing people might not 
realize about hurricanes is that (I believe) there is more stress due to the 
anticipation and having to wait to see whether or not you’re going to be 
affected rather than weathering the storm itself.

-D

> On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Take care. We will think of you tomorrow.
> Dwight
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Do enjoy your get-together guys, one of these days I'm going to make it up
there for the Chowda-Q.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> Take care. We will think of you tomorrow.
> Dwight
>
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>
> On Sep 8, 2017 7:13 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
> > Yup, that’s the current model, so no one is going to be spared.  I’m
> > continuing to watch the forecasts and will probably start hanging plywood
> > Saturday morning if nothing changes.  Got plenty of water, food, fuel,
> > batteries and cash, so we’re as prepared as we can be.
> >
> > It sucks, for sure.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Max sez‎:
> > >
> > >> ‎Looking better and better for us here in >the Carolinas
> > >> Dan-n-Manfred-Land, not so good...
> > >
> > > Just watched the local (Chicago) news.
> > > They showed Irma going straight up Florida, with the entire state
> > getting hurricane force winds.
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/S7Fu-v490-c
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Take care. We will think of you tomorrow.
Dwight

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sep 8, 2017 7:13 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Yup, that’s the current model, so no one is going to be spared.  I’m
> continuing to watch the forecasts and will probably start hanging plywood
> Saturday morning if nothing changes.  Got plenty of water, food, fuel,
> batteries and cash, so we’re as prepared as we can be.
>
> It sucks, for sure.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Max sez‎:
> >
> >> ‎Looking better and better for us here in >the Carolinas
> >> Dan-n-Manfred-Land, not so good...
> >
> > Just watched the local (Chicago) news.
> > They showed Irma going straight up Florida, with the entire state
> getting hurricane force winds.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/S7Fu-v490-c
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Take care. We will think of you tomorrow.
Dwight

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sep 8, 2017 7:13 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Yup, that’s the current model, so no one is going to be spared.  I’m
continuing to watch the forecasts and will probably start hanging plywood
Saturday morning if nothing changes.  Got plenty of water, food, fuel,
batteries and cash, so we’re as prepared as we can be.

It sucks, for sure.

-D


> On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Max sez‎:
>
>> ‎Looking better and better for us here in >the Carolinas
>> Dan-n-Manfred-Land, not so good...
>
> Just watched the local (Chicago) news.
> They showed Irma going straight up Florida, with the entire state getting
hurricane force winds.
>
> https://youtu.be/S7Fu-v490-c
>
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Yup, that’s the current model, so no one is going to be spared.  I’m continuing 
to watch the forecasts and will probably start hanging plywood Saturday morning 
if nothing changes.  Got plenty of water, food, fuel, batteries and cash, so 
we’re as prepared as we can be.

It sucks, for sure.

-D


> On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Max sez‎:
> 
>> ‎Looking better and better for us here in >the Carolinas
>> Dan-n-Manfred-Land, not so good...
> 
> Just watched the local (Chicago) news. 
> They showed Irma going straight up Florida, with the entire state getting 
> hurricane force winds. 
> 
> https://youtu.be/S7Fu-v490-c
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-07 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

The short answer is they died in large numbers:  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane


> -Original Message-
> Dan said:
> The thing that really fascinates me about the severe weather stuff is how
> people dealt with it before we had all this technology. ... 



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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-07 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Max sez‎:

>‎Looking better and better for us here in >the Carolinas
>Dan-n-Manfred-Land, not so good...

Just watched the local (Chicago) news. 
They showed Irma going straight up Florida, with the entire state getting 
hurricane force winds. 

https://youtu.be/S7Fu-v490-c

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-07 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Looking better and better for us here in the Carolinas
Dan-n-Manfred-Land, not so good...

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-07 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Cat 5 is 140 to infinity plus1.

On Sep 7, 2017 4:23 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yep, 'fraid so.
>
> W
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
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> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Irma
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>
> True that.
>>
>> Looks like you folks in GA and the Carolinas better start battening down
>> the hatches as well.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:36 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> And sometimes a HEAVY, LONG bands can can sit over ya and dump water
>>> hours like the one in  Andrew last Oct that put 13" of water into my
>>> basement as my gutter downspouts and drains were over-taxed and sump pump
>>> died.
>>>
>>> W
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-07 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Yep, 'fraid so.

W

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True that.

Looks like you folks in GA and the Carolinas better start battening down 
the hatches as well.

-D

On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:36 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

And sometimes a HEAVY, LONG bands can can sit over ya and dump water 
hours like the one in  Andrew last Oct that put 13" of water into my 
basement as my gutter downspouts and drains were over-taxed and sump pump 
died.

W

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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-07 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

I was only joking about category 6. Cat 5 is the strongest on the scale.

On Sep 7, 2017 12:47 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> That’s Darwinism.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> > For the hurricane which hit Galveston in 1900, many were killed, but they
> > had warning and ignored it. They even went out in the exceptionally low
> > tides before the hurricane hit to enjoy the novelty of it.
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-07 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes





Craig via Mercedes 
September 7, 2017 at 11:44 AM
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:34:45 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes

For the hurricane which hit Galveston in 1900, many were killed, but they
had warning and ignored it. They even went out in the exceptionally low
tides before the hurricane hit to enjoy the novelty of it.


Craig
Same with tidal waves  In 1946, the kids at the Laupahoehoe school 
north of Hilo, HI saw the water had receded, and went out on the newly 
exposed ocean floor.  24 were killed.  It is a small town and a small 
school.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/97/03/31/news/story4.html

In 1960, People went out on the Suisan dock in Hilo Bay, and watched for 
the tsunami to come.  59 were killed.

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Re: [MBZ] Irma

That’s Darwinism.

-D


> On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
> For the hurricane which hit Galveston in 1900, many were killed, but they
> had warning and ignored it. They even went out in the exceptionally low
> tides before the hurricane hit to enjoy the novelty of it.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-07 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:34:45 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The thing that really fascinates me about the severe weather stuff is
> how people dealt with it before we had all this technology.  The point
> being that if you were at my house right now you would think it was a
> typical Florida summer day.  It will be like that tomorrow and probably
> all day Saturday.  The doo-doo hits the fan late Saturday might most
> likely.
> 
> It makes you understand why so many people were killed or injured in
> the past, as there’s really no warning nor can you gauge the potential
> severity in any way, shape or form or know what to expect when this
> stuff starts…

For the hurricane which hit Galveston in 1900, many were killed, but they
had warning and ignored it. They even went out in the exceptionally low
tides before the hurricane hit to enjoy the novelty of it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Irma

True that.

Looks like you folks in GA and the Carolinas better start battening down the 
hatches as well.

-D

On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:36 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> And sometimes a HEAVY, LONG bands can can sit over ya and dump water hours 
> like the one in  Andrew last Oct that put 13" of water into my basement as my 
> gutter downspouts and drains were over-taxed and sump pump died.
> 
> W


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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-07 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

And sometimes a HEAVY, LONG bands can can sit over ya and dump water hours 
like the one in  Andrew last Oct that put 13" of water into my basement as 
my gutter downspouts and drains were over-taxed and sump pump died.


W

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Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Irma


We had over 11” in one day a couple of weeks ago when the low pressure 
system that never developed into a hurricane hovered over the west coast 
of Florida.  Not a big deal for the most part.


In a hurricane, unless you’re perilously close to the eye wall, rain comes 
in “bands” as the arms of the hurricane pass over.  That means the rain 
isn’t a constant deluge, it comes and goes sometimes with hours in 
between.  For that matter, the weather can be weirdly pleasant between 
these rain bands as well, with bright sun and clear skies.


-D



On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I'd still call that a significant rain event. Houston had an exceptional 
rain event...


-Curt



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The thing that really fascinates me about the severe weather stuff is how 
people dealt with it before we had all this technology.  The point being that 
if you were at my house right now you would think it was a typical Florida 
summer day.  It will be like that tomorrow and probably all day Saturday.  The 
doo-doo hits the fan late Saturday might most likely.

It makes you understand why so many people were killed or injured in the past, 
as there’s really no warning nor can you gauge the potential severity in any 
way, shape or form or know what to expect when this stuff starts…

-D

 
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 11:33:17 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> In a hurricane, unless you’re perilously close to the eye wall, rain
>> comes in “bands” as the arms of the hurricane pass over.  That means
>> the rain isn’t a constant deluge, it comes and goes sometimes with
>> hours in between.
> 
> That's what we experienced when we drove from Dallas to Austin on the
> afternoon and evening of 26 August.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-07 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 11:33:17 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> In a hurricane, unless you’re perilously close to the eye wall, rain
> comes in “bands” as the arms of the hurricane pass over.  That means
> the rain isn’t a constant deluge, it comes and goes sometimes with
> hours in between.

That's what we experienced when we drove from Dallas to Austin on the
afternoon and evening of 26 August.


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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-07 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

At least it's not cat5e!
-- 
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On September 7, 2017 10:26:04 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>This:
>
>https://imgur.com/gallery/CBFmg
>
>-D
>
>
>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> I had attached a picture that was humorous.  I suspect it didn’t make
>it?
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

We had over 11” in one day a couple of weeks ago when the low pressure system 
that never developed into a hurricane hovered over the west coast of Florida.  
Not a big deal for the most part.

In a hurricane, unless you’re perilously close to the eye wall, rain comes in 
“bands” as the arms of the hurricane pass over.  That means the rain isn’t a 
constant deluge, it comes and goes sometimes with hours in between.  For that 
matter, the weather can be weirdly pleasant between these rain bands as well, 
with bright sun and clear skies.

-D

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I'd still call that a significant rain event. Houston had an exceptional rain 
> event...
> 
> -Curt
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Irma

I'd still call that a significant rain event. Houston had an exceptional rain 
event...
-Curt
 

On Thursday, September 7, 2017, 10:26:58 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 We’re expecting tropical storm force winds Saturday night and Sunday.  This is 
not a significant rain event like the one they had in Houston.  At worst we 
might get 10”, if that.

-D


> On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just checked and weather.com suggests it'll be Cat4 when it makes landfall in 
> the US but that it'll track right up Florida which can't be a good thing...
> -Curt
> 
> 
>    On Thursday, September 7, 2017, 10:07:51 AM EDT, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
>Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> I thought it's been a cat 5 for a while?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is now a CAT5 hurricane:
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

This:

https://imgur.com/gallery/CBFmg

-D


> On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I had attached a picture that was humorous.  I suspect it didn’t make it?
> 
> -D


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Re: [MBZ] Irma

Nope, was it this one? https://i.imgur.com/BfOFaTa.jpg

 

On Thursday, September 7, 2017, 10:23:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I had attached a picture that was humorous.  I suspect it didn’t make it?

-D


> On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I thought it's been a cat 5 for a while?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is now a CAT5 hurricane:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

We’re expecting tropical storm force winds Saturday night and Sunday.  This is 
not a significant rain event like the one they had in Houston.  At worst we 
might get 10”, if that.

-D


> On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just checked and weather.com suggests it'll be Cat4 when it makes landfall in 
> the US but that it'll track right up Florida which can't be a good thing...
> -Curt
> 
> 
>On Thursday, September 7, 2017, 10:07:51 AM EDT, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
> Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> I thought it's been a cat 5 for a while?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is now a CAT5 hurricane:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

2017-09-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

No

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> I had attached a picture that was humorous.  I suspect it didn’t make it?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I thought it's been a cat 5 for a while?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is now a CAT5 hurricane:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

I had attached a picture that was humorous.  I suspect it didn’t make it?

-D


> On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I thought it's been a cat 5 for a while?
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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>> Is now a CAT5 hurricane:
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Irma

Just checked and weather.com suggests it'll be Cat4 when it makes landfall in 
the US but that it'll track right up Florida which can't be a good thing...
-Curt
 

On Thursday, September 7, 2017, 10:07:51 AM EDT, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
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 I thought it's been a cat 5 for a while?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> Is now a CAT5 hurricane:
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