Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
You seriously want to destroy US Government property?? Seriously? Millions of mexi, central ameri and other forms of cans and various and sundry other turd world effluvia come into the US of A, live off the work of US citizens and destroy goobermnt property every minute of every day. For that, the prezzy dent suggests we are fools for not making them city-zens and assumes dictatorial powers to do what con gress knows it can't pull over on the ameri can peeps. And you are concerned about one lil ol unmanned mo-sheen that only costs 20k and can be bought by other turd world dictators for $1000? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
Having served in the military, I can say without hesitation that I destroyed hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of government materials and equipment. In fact, their purpose was to do exactly that function, and do it well.. Drone what drone.. I didn't see no steenking drone mon.. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You seriously want to destroy US Government property?? Seriously? Millions of mexi, central ameri and other forms of cans and various and sundry other turd world effluvia come into the US of A, live off the work of US citizens and destroy goobermnt property every minute of every day. For that, the prezzy dent suggests we are fools for not making them city-zens and assumes dictatorial powers to do what con gress knows it can't pull over on the ameri can peeps. And you are concerned about one lil ol unmanned mo-sheen that only costs 20k and can be bought by other turd world dictators for $1000? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
The truly invasive drones operated by government agencies have an operational service ceiling of 12 to 25,000 feet altitude.. I humbly suggest the net gun would require over large explosive charge to launch a net to be effective. Jam it... The source of jamming signal should be easy enough to mask, for a truly ingenious electronics whizzz child.. I would think the large IQ pool here could come up with a jamming signal carried by a laser which had a very narrow beam path and would be even more hard to detect.. click, crash.. done.. Next please.. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 9:35 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: While it's probably illegal to jam it, these are all operating on public unlicensed frequencies which have as their stipulation that they must not cause interference to licensed operations, and must accept any interference that they encounter. The digital codes that they employ are purposefully difficult to clone/intercept, so that will be difficult or very expensive to accomplish, if possible. However, Curt's low tech idea of netting it is the best, IMHO. A: - low tech, simple. Think Occam's razor. B: - the device is not hurt or destroyed, it is now more valuable to you. At the very least, you can sell it on eBay, but I like the idea of replacing the receiver with your own. Also think of the Amazon drones (who just got approval for testing from the FAA) - skeey with prizes. You wouldn't want to harm your prize would you? C: - Jamming, a lot of these are programmed to fly home to the point the flight originated if it looses contact with the controller - if you don't destroy the whole electronic system, it will just fly away. Yes - a net gun is the best solution! On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yabbut then the whole system is fried. Hijacking might be easier with a more powerful control xmtr but you would have to find one that was compatible with the rcvr, there probably aren't that many frequencies and protocols. A jammer would drop it right quick but that might be illegal. --R -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
You seriously want to destroy US Government property?? On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 7:05 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The truly invasive drones operated by government agencies have an operational service ceiling of 12 to 25,000 feet altitude.. I humbly suggest the net gun would require over large explosive charge to launch a net to be effective. Jam it... The source of jamming signal should be easy enough to mask, for a truly ingenious electronics whizzz child.. I would think the large IQ pool here could come up with a jamming signal carried by a laser which had a very narrow beam path and would be even more hard to detect.. click, crash.. done.. Next please.. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 9:35 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: While it's probably illegal to jam it, these are all operating on public unlicensed frequencies which have as their stipulation that they must not cause interference to licensed operations, and must accept any interference that they encounter. The digital codes that they employ are purposefully difficult to clone/intercept, so that will be difficult or very expensive to accomplish, if possible. However, Curt's low tech idea of netting it is the best, IMHO. A: - low tech, simple. Think Occam's razor. B: - the device is not hurt or destroyed, it is now more valuable to you. At the very least, you can sell it on eBay, but I like the idea of replacing the receiver with your own. Also think of the Amazon drones (who just got approval for testing from the FAA) - skeey with prizes. You wouldn't want to harm your prize would you? C: - Jamming, a lot of these are programmed to fly home to the point the flight originated if it looses contact with the controller - if you don't destroy the whole electronic system, it will just fly away. Yes - a net gun is the best solution! On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yabbut then the whole system is fried. Hijacking might be easier with a more powerful control xmtr but you would have to find one that was compatible with the rcvr, there probably aren't that many frequencies and protocols. A jammer would drop it right quick but that might be illegal. --R -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
While it's probably illegal to jam it, these are all operating on public unlicensed frequencies which have as their stipulation that they must not cause interference to licensed operations, and must accept any interference that they encounter. The digital codes that they employ are purposefully difficult to clone/intercept, so that will be difficult or very expensive to accomplish, if possible. However, Curt's low tech idea of netting it is the best, IMHO. A: - low tech, simple. Think Occam's razor. B: - the device is not hurt or destroyed, it is now more valuable to you. At the very least, you can sell it on eBay, but I like the idea of replacing the receiver with your own. Also think of the Amazon drones (who just got approval for testing from the FAA) - skeey with prizes. You wouldn't want to harm your prize would you? C: - Jamming, a lot of these are programmed to fly home to the point the flight originated if it looses contact with the controller - if you don't destroy the whole electronic system, it will just fly away. Yes - a net gun is the best solution! On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yabbut then the whole system is fried. Hijacking might be easier with a more powerful control xmtr but you would have to find one that was compatible with the rcvr, there probably aren't that many frequencies and protocols. A jammer would drop it right quick but that might be illegal. --R -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
Yabbut then the whole system is fried. Hijacking might be easier with a more powerful control xmtr but you would have to find one that was compatible with the rcvr, there probably aren't that many frequencies and protocols. A jammer would drop it right quick but that might be illegal. --R On 3/20/15 5:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I was thinking that or an EMF generator. Just point and BOOM - it drops out of the sky. Dan On Mar 20, 2015, at 5:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm really surprised. All the electronic brain power of this group and no one has suggested building a jamming device to cause the control signal to be lost? Seems the most simple and effective mode to take down drones... if you are indeed crafty.. just hack the signal.. run your own controller and make it a new addition to your drone collection... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
I was thinking that or an EMF generator. Just point and BOOM - it drops out of the sky. Dan On Mar 20, 2015, at 5:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm really surprised. All the electronic brain power of this group and no one has suggested building a jamming device to cause the control signal to be lost? Seems the most simple and effective mode to take down drones... if you are indeed crafty.. just hack the signal.. run your own controller and make it a new addition to your drone collection... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
Now we are talking death and destruction by stealth... perfect... I thought I could stimulate the economy with the suggestion. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was thinking that or an EMF generator. Just point and BOOM - it drops out of the sky. Dan On Mar 20, 2015, at 5:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm really surprised. All the electronic brain power of this group and no one has suggested building a jamming device to cause the control signal to be lost? Seems the most simple and effective mode to take down drones... if you are indeed crafty.. just hack the signal.. run your own controller and make it a new addition to your drone collection... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
Especially with 4 motors and a camera. A former neighbor had an rc plane that ran on a battery and it did ok but with just one motor and some ability to glide, it would not use as much power. No camera either. RB On 17/03/2015 7:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: 10 minutes probably feels like a long time when you're doing it. Electric is difficult for things that fly since batteries are not so energy dense. You and your solar. I get the feeling you've never worked with solar at all, a 5w solar panel is about 1 foot square and isn't enough power to do squat. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble 10 minutes is pathetic. I'm going to wait for a solar powered version. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Splat! RB (better start wearing a helmet Andrew) On 17/03/2015 3:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What if one of those pricey drones strays too far and runs out of fuel? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan- H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref= pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
Agreed but don't be so quick to rule out the concept of a solar powered drone. On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There are considerable differences between a low-speed glider with electric motors and a high-performance multi-copter, and when you factor in the relative sizes it all gets even more significant. Physics! --R On 3/17/15 8:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Just like the solar powered plane that is flying two men around the world as we speak? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 10 minutes probably feels like a long time when you're doing it. Electric is difficult for things that fly since batteries are not so energy dense. You and your solar. I get the feeling you've never worked with solar at all, a 5w solar panel is about 1 foot square and isn't enough power to do squat. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble 10 minutes is pathetic. I'm going to wait for a solar powered version. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Splat! RB (better start wearing a helmet Andrew) On 17/03/2015 3:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What if one of those pricey drones strays too far and runs out of fuel? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan- H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref= pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
There are considerable differences between a low-speed glider with electric motors and a high-performance multi-copter, and when you factor in the relative sizes it all gets even more significant. Physics! --R On 3/17/15 8:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Just like the solar powered plane that is flying two men around the world as we speak? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 10 minutes probably feels like a long time when you're doing it. Electric is difficult for things that fly since batteries are not so energy dense. You and your solar. I get the feeling you've never worked with solar at all, a 5w solar panel is about 1 foot square and isn't enough power to do squat. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble 10 minutes is pathetic. I'm going to wait for a solar powered version. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Splat! RB (better start wearing a helmet Andrew) On 17/03/2015 3:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What if one of those pricey drones strays too far and runs out of fuel? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan- H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref= pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
The solution is obvious: a l-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-n-g extension cord. If that can't be found found then a power laser with a feedback loop to keep it on target; proven technology. Gerry On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It cost a bazillion dollars to get the plane light enough that solar could power it. There just isn't much energy density from the sun. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble Just like the solar powered plane that is flying two men around the world as we speak? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 10 minutes probably feels like a long time when you're doing it. Electric is difficult for things that fly since batteries are not so energy dense. You and your solar. I get the feeling you've never worked with solar at all, a 5w solar panel is about 1 foot square and isn't enough power to do squat. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble 10 minutes is pathetic. I'm going to wait for a solar powered version. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Splat! RB (better start wearing a helmet Andrew) On 17/03/2015 3:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What if one of those pricey drones strays too far and runs out of fuel? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan- H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref= pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4311/9326 - Release Date: 03/17/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
I did a 3 second calculation and ruled it out. I am quick. At least for copters, they require a lot of power, and the multi-copters have to be electric. It might work for a blimp/dirigible or a HALE (high-altitude long endurance) sailplane sort of thing, which this solar-powered plane sorta is. The main problem is putting humans on board, they cause all kinds of problems. Remote piloting technology is getting to where they are fairly unnecessary for a lot of what pilots do these days, esp on long-endurance or recon missions. Some years ago a guy I knew had a line on some surplus aircraft from A Government Agency that he was proposing to outfit with solar panels and batteries and use them to provide cell phone service in remote areas. These particular aircraft were HALE soaring planes that flew at 70k+ ft, above the weather, and a cell site equipment was small and light enough to fit in the aircraft but the power was the issue, I think he said they could get about 2 weeks out of the package before it would have to land and refuel so they would need at least 2 aircraft available in any given location. I don't know what ever happened to his idea, but I see it being proposed again now, like 20 years later, for use in Africa and such places. I think that was going to be his first target market as he had some experience in telephone stuff, and work with A Government Agency which gave him some contacts in the gummints there. I think Google is doing it maybe for internet service and voice too I guess. The technology of all the bits is likely much better now, would not be a huge engineering effort. --R On 3/18/15 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Agreed but don't be so quick to rule out the concept of a solar powered drone. On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There are considerable differences between a low-speed glider with electric motors and a high-performance multi-copter, and when you factor in the relative sizes it all gets even more significant. Physics! --R On 3/17/15 8:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Just like the solar powered plane that is flying two men around the world as we speak? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Agreed but don't be so quick to rule out the concept of a solar powered drone. Nice day, hot sun and a chaise, sometimes that's me! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well for entry level that would be fine until you learn how to fly one fairly well. They will crash so you need the replacement props and other bits which probably doubles the initial cost. You can fly around the house or park or whatever and get some vids, refine your techniques and see if you like it then move up. The fancier ones like the Parrot have a GPS return-home feature if the battery gets low, or they lose control signal or something. You could also go hobby on it, buy all the bits and build your own. THere is a good web site for that http://diydrones.com/ Here's one you can build from e-junk http://hackaday.com/2014/04/01/e-waste-quadcopter-lifts-your-spirits-while-keeping-costs-down --R On 3/17/15 4:47 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: That was interesting. Thank you. The limitation on the inexpensive ones seems to be the battery life. One would need to be quick as they seem to be good for about 10 minutes. RB On 17/03/2015 3:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref=pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This has been around for a while but if you have not seen it, it is worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcDN409ZBv4 RB On 17/03/2015 4:20 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Well for entry level that would be fine until you learn how to fly one fairly well. They will crash so you need the replacement props and other bits which probably doubles the initial cost. You can fly around the house or park or whatever and get some vids, refine your techniques and see if you like it then move up. The fancier ones like the Parrot have a GPS return-home feature if the battery gets low, or they lose control signal or something. You could also go hobby on it, buy all the bits and build your own. THere is a good web site for that http://diydrones.com/ Here's one you can build from e-junk http://hackaday.com/2014/04/01/e-waste-quadcopter-lifts-your-spirits-while-keeping-costs-down --R On 3/17/15 4:47 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: That was interesting. Thank you. The limitation on the inexpensive ones seems to be the battery life. One would need to be quick as they seem to be good for about 10 minutes. RB On 17/03/2015 3:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref=pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Then you would have to be a Secret Service agent --R On 3/17/15 4:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: What if one of those pricey drones strays too far and runs out of fuel? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU I'm pretty sure this is the drone that Andrew is looking for to keep the peace in his neighborhood and to cure his ground hog invasion... Seems it might work for other fair minded souls who frequent this board as well.. I'm sure you want one.. maybe two.. right? Grant... On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It cost a bazillion dollars to get the plane light enough that solar could power it. There just isn't much energy density from the sun. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble Just like the solar powered plane that is flying two men around the world as we speak? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 10 minutes probably feels like a long time when you're doing it. Electric is difficult for things that fly since batteries are not so energy dense. You and your solar. I get the feeling you've never worked with solar at all, a 5w solar panel is about 1 foot square and isn't enough power to do squat. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble 10 minutes is pathetic. I'm going to wait for a solar powered version. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Splat! RB (better start wearing a helmet Andrew) On 17/03/2015 3:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What if one of those pricey drones strays too far and runs out of fuel? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan- H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref= pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just like the solar powered plane that is flying two men around the world as we speak? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 10 minutes probably feels like a long time when you're doing it. Electric is difficult for things that fly since batteries are not so energy dense. You and your solar. I get the feeling you've never worked with solar at all, a 5w solar panel is about 1 foot square and isn't enough power to do squat. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble 10 minutes is pathetic. I'm going to wait for a solar powered version. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Splat! RB (better start wearing a helmet Andrew) On 17/03/2015 3:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What if one of those pricey drones strays too far and runs out of fuel? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan- H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref= pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It cost a bazillion dollars to get the plane light enough that solar could power it. There just isn't much energy density from the sun. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble Just like the solar powered plane that is flying two men around the world as we speak? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 10 minutes probably feels like a long time when you're doing it. Electric is difficult for things that fly since batteries are not so energy dense. You and your solar. I get the feeling you've never worked with solar at all, a 5w solar panel is about 1 foot square and isn't enough power to do squat. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble 10 minutes is pathetic. I'm going to wait for a solar powered version. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Splat! RB (better start wearing a helmet Andrew) On 17/03/2015 3:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What if one of those pricey drones strays too far and runs out of fuel? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan- H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref= pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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10 minutes probably feels like a long time when you're doing it. Electric is difficult for things that fly since batteries are not so energy dense. You and your solar. I get the feeling you've never worked with solar at all, a 5w solar panel is about 1 foot square and isn't enough power to do squat. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble 10 minutes is pathetic. I'm going to wait for a solar powered version. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Splat! RB (better start wearing a helmet Andrew) On 17/03/2015 3:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What if one of those pricey drones strays too far and runs out of fuel? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan- H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref= pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref=pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That was interesting. Thank you. The limitation on the inexpensive ones seems to be the battery life. One would need to be quick as they seem to be good for about 10 minutes. RB On 17/03/2015 3:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref=pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Splat! RB (better start wearing a helmet Andrew) On 17/03/2015 3:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What if one of those pricey drones strays too far and runs out of fuel? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan- H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref= pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What if one of those pricey drones strays too far and runs out of fuel? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan- H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref= pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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10 minutes is pathetic. I'm going to wait for a solar powered version. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Splat! RB (better start wearing a helmet Andrew) On 17/03/2015 3:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What if one of those pricey drones strays too far and runs out of fuel? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: These http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/ are well known quadcopters, somewhat pricey but high quality. Some site said this one was pretty decent http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan- H107D-Quadcopter-Live-Transmitter/dp/B00FMWGT9M/ref= pd_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8refRID=03119ZWXRJP3N4P84AVV You can also buy small cheap ones for $100 or less from dealextreme http://www.dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/rc-toys-801/rc-helicopters-840 which might be the way to give it a try --R On 3/17/15 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Who knows something about these doodads? If I wanted to acquire such a thing, what would I have to spend to get one with video worth watching? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Seems to be working out OK for him: http://photographyisnotacrime.com/blog/2015/03/faa-backpedals-after-sending-letter-ordering-man-to-remove-drone-footage-from-youtube/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And the FAA was alerted to his drone flying how Seems that someone had to make a call to the FAA to even wake them up to the use of the drone. Despite our feeling like government is watching our every move these days, there are many more of us than them so unless he ran naked to the FAA with his hair on fire screaming hijack or bomb it seems unlikely that agency even knew his drone flew. What really happened, before they put the 800 lb gorilla in his mailbox? Grant... On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Should be interesting to see how this pans out Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I can only assume that someone ratted the guy out. I'll say that from my distant observations (I don't work directly with him, but I know people who do) that the guy has a reputation for being a dick. This, no doubt, was probably the motivation for someone ratting on him. That being said, it's probably prudent just to stand down and leave it at that rather than poking the bear. While I have no doubt there are plenty of ACLU and other lawyers who would take this on, pissing off the government is never a good idea in my book. They tend to make your life miserable for a long, long time, regardless of the outcome. I think he said something in one of the many local TV interviews to the effect that he wasn't doing anything wrong, and would continue to run his drone and post videos until they came after him. That's not smart if you ask me, but knowing what I do about him, I'm not surprised. Dan On Mar 16, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Sounds like the FAA is looking to make an example of somebody in a new area but it sounds like an equally dumb way of doing it. I predict its going to go to trial and the guy is going to have no shortage of free lawyers who will make the FAA look like bumbling idiots. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 7:30 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Should be interesting to see how this pans out Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sounds like the FAA is looking to make an example of somebody in a new area but it sounds like an equally dumb way of doing it.I predict its going to go to trial and the guy is going to have no shortage of free lawyers who will make the FAA look like bumbling idiots. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 7:30 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Should be interesting to see how this pans out Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So you have no problem with a civilian (non-gov't.) overflight or 24/7 aerial surveillance of your property? Or buzzing around outside your b/r window? And since you believe in Property Rights Uber Alles if you knock this thing out of the sky you will have to pay for it. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on you, it is only equally fair we citizens would do the same. Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government agency with unlimited power and an armed drone? A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on you or anyone else? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Should be interesting to see how this pans out Dan .. Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might just be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons which could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry enough explosives to do serious damage according to one article. Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with several states enacting laws regulating them. The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the following: http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+floridaqs=ASsk=AS4pq=drone+lawssc=8-10sp=5cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cfFORM=QBLHghc=1 or search: drone laws florida If he really wanted to test his drone rights he could take his drone up north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist camp, or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other rich folks around their enclaves. Gerry P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends you his thanks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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War games - from video to reality! On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Especially if the drone is fitted with a firearm or a flame thrower... Read an article about someone putting a flame thrower (hairspray can with an igniter) on a drone, THAT would be fun. Use it to bring down those drones trying to spy on me. .. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 16, 2015 12:05:20 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on you or anyone else? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Instead of Robot Wars Drone Wars! I'll watch. Dan On Mar 16, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: War games - from video to reality! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not property rights fool, PERSONAL rights and responsibilities. You fly your drone over my house and I have the right to knock it down... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble So you have no problem with a civilian (non-gov't.) overflight or 24/7 aerial surveillance of your property? Or buzzing around outside your b/r window? And since you believe in Property Rights Uber Alles if you knock this thing out of the sky you will have to pay for it. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on you, it is only equally fair we citizens would do the same. Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government agency with unlimited power and an armed drone? A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on you or anyone else? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Should be interesting to see how this pans out Dan .. Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might just be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons which could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry enough explosives to do serious damage according to one article. Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with several states enacting laws regulating them. The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the following: http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+floridaqs=ASsk=AS4pq=drone+laws≻=8-10sp=5cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cfFORM=QBLHghc=1 or search: drone laws florida If he really wanted to test his drone rights he could take his drone up north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist camp, or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other rich folks around their enclaves. Gerry P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends you his thanks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
Again, I invite you to read and understand the 10th Amendment of Bill of Rights. A Right can not be taken, it can only be surrendered. You may have surrendered yours.. I have not. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Under what law? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not property rights fool, PERSONAL rights and responsibilities. You fly your drone over my house and I have the right to knock it down... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble So you have no problem with a civilian (non-gov't.) overflight or 24/7 aerial surveillance of your property? Or buzzing around outside your b/r window? And since you believe in Property Rights Uber Alles if you knock this thing out of the sky you will have to pay for it. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on you, it is only equally fair we citizens would do the same. Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government agency with unlimited power and an armed drone? A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on you or anyone else? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Should be interesting to see how this pans out Dan .. Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might just be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons which could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry enough explosives to do serious damage according to one article. Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with several states enacting laws regulating them. The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the following: http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+floridaqs=ASsk=AS4pq=drone+laws ≻=8-10sp=5cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cfFORM=QBLHghc=1 or search: drone laws florida If he really wanted to test his drone rights he could take his drone up north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist camp, or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other rich folks around their enclaves. Gerry P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends you his thanks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
Especially if the drone is fitted with a firearm or a flame thrower... Read an article about someone putting a flame thrower (hairspray can with an igniter) on a drone, THAT would be fun. Use it to bring down those drones trying to spy on me. .. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 16, 2015 12:05:20 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on you or anyone else? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
Steve Segall and Bruce Willis. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I want Wilton and Jon on my team. Andrew, pick two for your team. .. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 16, 2015 12:55:32 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Instead of Robot Wars Drone Wars! I'll watch. Dan On Mar 16, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: War games - from video to reality! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
Yes. Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on you, it is only equally fair we citizens would do the same. Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government agency with unlimited power and an armed drone? A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on you or anyone else? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Should be interesting to see how this pans out Dan .. Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might just be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons which could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry enough explosives to do serious damage according to one article. Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with several states enacting laws regulating them. The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the following: http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+floridaqs=ASsk=AS4pq=drone+lawssc=8-10sp=5cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cfFORM=QBLHghc=1 or search: drone laws florida If he really wanted to test his drone rights he could take his drone up north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist camp, or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other rich folks around their enclaves. Gerry P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends you his thanks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on you or anyone else? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Should be interesting to see how this pans out Dan .. Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might just be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons which could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry enough explosives to do serious damage according to one article. Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with several states enacting laws regulating them. The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the following: http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+floridaqs=ASsk=AS4pq=drone+lawssc=8-10sp=5cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cfFORM=QBLHghc=1 or search: drone laws florida If he really wanted to test his drone rights he could take his drone up north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist camp, or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other rich folks around their enclaves. Gerry P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends you his thanks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
Under what law? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not property rights fool, PERSONAL rights and responsibilities. You fly your drone over my house and I have the right to knock it down... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble So you have no problem with a civilian (non-gov't.) overflight or 24/7 aerial surveillance of your property? Or buzzing around outside your b/r window? And since you believe in Property Rights Uber Alles if you knock this thing out of the sky you will have to pay for it. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on you, it is only equally fair we citizens would do the same. Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government agency with unlimited power and an armed drone? A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on you or anyone else? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Should be interesting to see how this pans out Dan .. Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might just be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons which could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry enough explosives to do serious damage according to one article. Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with several states enacting laws regulating them. The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the following: http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+floridaqs=ASsk=AS4pq=drone+laws ≻=8-10sp=5cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cfFORM=QBLHghc=1 or search: drone laws florida If he really wanted to test his drone rights he could take his drone up north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist camp, or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other rich folks around their enclaves. Gerry P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends you his thanks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
My right to own and operate a drone vs. your right to privacy? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Again, I invite you to read and understand the 10th Amendment of Bill of Rights. A Right can not be taken, it can only be surrendered. You may have surrendered yours.. I have not. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Under what law? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not property rights fool, PERSONAL rights and responsibilities. You fly your drone over my house and I have the right to knock it down... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble So you have no problem with a civilian (non-gov't.) overflight or 24/7 aerial surveillance of your property? Or buzzing around outside your b/r window? And since you believe in Property Rights Uber Alles if you knock this thing out of the sky you will have to pay for it. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on you, it is only equally fair we citizens would do the same. Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government agency with unlimited power and an armed drone? A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on you or anyone else? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Should be interesting to see how this pans out Dan .. Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might just be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons which could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry enough explosives to do serious damage according to one article. Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with several states enacting laws regulating them. The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the following: http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+floridaqs=ASsk=AS4pq=drone+laws ≻=8-10sp=5cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cfFORM=QBLHghc=1 or search: drone laws florida If he really wanted to test his drone rights he could take his drone up north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist camp, or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other rich folks around their enclaves. Gerry P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends you his thanks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
I want Wilton and Jon on my team. Andrew, pick two for your team. .. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 16, 2015 12:55:32 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Instead of Robot Wars Drone Wars! I'll watch. Dan On Mar 16, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: War games - from video to reality! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
It is time we ban all isms from our society! --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 16, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think you actually mean initialism rather than acronym but then I looked up the definition http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/acronymI find it interesting that definition 2 is initialism... -CurtMinored in english... From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble Dan wrote: pissing off the government is never a good idea in my book. They tend to make your life miserable for a long, long time, regardless of the outcome. We are from (insert three letter acronym here) and we're not happy, until you're not happy. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
I think you actually mean initialism rather than acronym but then I looked up the definition http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/acronymI find it interesting that definition 2 is initialism... -CurtMinored in english... From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble Dan wrote: pissing off the government is never a good idea in my book. They tend to make your life miserable for a long, long time, regardless of the outcome. We are from (insert three letter acronym here) and we're not happy, until you're not happy. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
Dan Penoff wrote: Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Should be interesting to see how this pans out Dan .. Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might just be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons which could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry enough explosives to do serious damage according to one article. Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with several states enacting laws regulating them. The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the following: http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+floridaqs=ASsk=AS4pq=drone+lawssc=8-10sp=5cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cfFORM=QBLHghc=1 or search: drone laws florida If he really wanted to test his drone rights he could take his drone up north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist camp, or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other rich folks around their enclaves. Gerry P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends you his thanks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HA great minds DO think alike ;)) On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan wrote: pissing off the government is never a good idea in my book. They tend to make your life miserable for a long, long time, regardless of the outcome. We are from (insert three letter acronym here) and we're not happy, until you're not happy. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
Dan wrote: pissing off the government is never a good idea in my book. They tend to make your life miserable for a long, long time, regardless of the outcome. We are from (insert three letter acronym here) and we're not happy, until you're not happy. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
Ah The rest of the story ... That makes sense. We are from the FAA and we are not happy until you are not happy On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I can only assume that someone ratted the guy out. I'll say that from my distant observations (I don't work directly with him, but I know people who do) that the guy has a reputation for being a dick. This, no doubt, was probably the motivation for someone ratting on him. That being said, it's probably prudent just to stand down and leave it at that rather than poking the bear. While I have no doubt there are plenty of ACLU and other lawyers who would take this on, pissing off the government is never a good idea in my book. They tend to make your life miserable for a long, long time, regardless of the outcome. I think he said something in one of the many local TV interviews to the effect that he wasn't doing anything wrong, and would continue to run his drone and post videos until they came after him. That's not smart if you ask me, but knowing what I do about him, I'm not surprised. Dan On Mar 16, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Sounds like the FAA is looking to make an example of somebody in a new area but it sounds like an equally dumb way of doing it. I predict its going to go to trial and the guy is going to have no shortage of free lawyers who will make the FAA look like bumbling idiots. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 7:30 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Should be interesting to see how this pans out Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
I just want drones under air traffic control, and kept out of my way. A prop strike is an expensive inspection, even if there's no repair required. Much more expensive is a repair or replacement is required. A new prop for my C182 is now $7500 plus taxes . . . -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
You of course have the right to operated the drone but if it begins to infringe on my rights I have an equal right to react. Since I'm a nice person I'd start by asking you to stop, if you failed to stop you'd stop having a drone. Same thing as when you tailgate me. You have the right to tailgate but I have the right to drive really slow... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble My right to own and operate a drone vs. your right to privacy? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Again, I invite you to read and understand the 10th Amendment of Bill of Rights. A Right can not be taken, it can only be surrendered. You may have surrendered yours.. I have not. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Under what law? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not property rights fool, PERSONAL rights and responsibilities. You fly your drone over my house and I have the right to knock it down... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble So you have no problem with a civilian (non-gov't.) overflight or 24/7 aerial surveillance of your property? Or buzzing around outside your b/r window? And since you believe in Property Rights Uber Alles if you knock this thing out of the sky you will have to pay for it. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on you, it is only equally fair we citizens would do the same. Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government agency with unlimited power and an armed drone? A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on you or anyone else? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Should be interesting to see how this pans out Dan .. Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might just be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons which could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry enough explosives to do serious damage according to one article. Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with several states enacting laws regulating them. The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the following: http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+floridaqs=ASsk=AS4pq=drone+laws ≻=8-10sp=5cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cfFORM=QBLHghc=1 or search: drone laws florida If he really wanted to test his drone rights he could take his drone up north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist camp, or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other rich folks around their enclaves. Gerry P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends you his thanks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive
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Steve Segall and Bruce Willis. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I want Wilton and Jon on my team. Andrew, pick two for your team. .. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 2 real military pilots vs 2 would be actors... My money is on Max's team! Isn't that supposed to be seagull? Is he related to Jonathan Livingston? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on you or anyone else? Yup. And if they trespass in my airspace, I also have the right to knock 'em down with my shotgun. Seems only fair. If they are behaving in a hazardous manner, such as interfering with traffic, airport approach corridors, etc., the operators can/should be charged appropriately, whether they're using a drone or not. Drones ain't got nuttin' to do with it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
So, how high does your airspace extend? When I'm flying over your house on my way somewhere else, when am I entering your airspace? I don't have armor under my seat . . . The FAA says I have to stay 500 feet above persons and property, and I do that. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrot Yup. And if they trespass in my airspace, I also have the right to knock 'em down with my shotgun. Seems only fair. If they are behaving in a hazardous manner, such as interfering with traffic, airport approach corridors, etc., the operators can/should be charged appropriately, whether they're using a drone or not. Drones ain't got nuttin' to do with it. -- Jim -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
I never tailgate and don't own drone so our paths will never cross. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Monday, 16 March 2015, 01:36PM -0400 from Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: You of course have the right to operated the drone but if it begins to infringe on my rights I have an equal right to react. Since I'm a nice person I'd start by asking you to stop, if you failed to stop you'd stop having a drone. Same thing as when you tailgate me. You have the right to tailgate but I have the right to drive really slow... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble My right to own and operate a drone vs. your right to privacy? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Again, I invite you to read and understand the 10th Amendment of Bill of Rights. A Right can not be taken, it can only be surrendered. You may have surrendered yours.. I have not. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Under what law? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not property rights fool, PERSONAL rights and responsibilities. You fly your drone over my house and I have the right to knock it down... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble So you have no problem with a civilian (non-gov't.) overflight or 24/7 aerial surveillance of your property? Or buzzing around outside your b/r window? And since you believe in Property Rights Uber Alles if you knock this thing out of the sky you will have to pay for it. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on you, it is only equally fair we citizens would do the same. Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government agency with unlimited power and an armed drone? A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on you or anyone else? On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back? That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying his drone for commercial purposes. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do. Even more so when you're a government employee yourself. Should be interesting to see how this pans out Dan .. Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might just be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons which could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry enough explosives to do serious damage according to one article. Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with several states enacting laws regulating them. The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the following: http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+floridaqs=ASsk=AS4pq=drone+laws ≻=8-10sp=5cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cfFORM=QBLHghc=1 or search: drone laws florida If he really wanted to test his drone rights he could take his drone up north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist camp, or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other rich folks around their enclaves. Gerry P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends you his thanks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083
Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:59:11 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A prop strike is an expensive inspection, even if there's no repair required. Much more expensive is a repair or replacement is required. A new prop for my C182 is now $7500 plus taxes . . . Wow! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't know but from what I've read he's a jerk in real life -- Sent from myMail app for Android Monday, 16 March 2015, 01:35PM -0400 from Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com: Steve Segall and Bruce Willis. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I want Wilton and Jon on my team. Andrew, pick two for your team. .. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 2 real military pilots vs 2 would be actors... My money is on Max's team! Isn't that supposed to be seagull? Is he related to Jonathan Livingston? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
