You need to find another dealer.
W140 parts, no matter how strange, are readily available through MBNA. The only
things that are drying up are soft froo-froo parts like floor mats for the
coupe.
Next time you run into this or even think you can't find something for a W140,
let me know and
Thanks. Next time the issue arises, you will be consulted
clay
On Jan 6, 2015, at 2:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
You need to find another dealer.
W140 parts, no matter how strange, are readily available through MBNA. The
only things that are drying up are soft froo-froo parts
Please do. I have the resources of a 20+ year Mercedes dealer parts guy whom I
have yet to stump. And he has no problem telling me to buy stuff elsewhere if
it's equal and cheaper.
Dan
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On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:37 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks. Next time the
hi Andrew!
no worries; thanks!
cheers!
e
On 05/Jan/15 06:23, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I
find it irksome when the occasional lister Andies me.
On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 11:52 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes
We tried that with the local dealer, and they could not source them. Calipers
are ok, Dr. fatty got the rotors too. It took a while for him to track them
down because EPC had the numbers, but they were not in inventory according to
Gary. I think we paid $200 for both rotors
clay
On Jan 5,
I loved the R series beemers. A real bike
I have not gotten hands on a R129 at the PnP,. but did source both rotors and
calipers from a '94 w140. Not at all the same as what was on the car to begin
with, which is why I got Gary involved in finding what was needed.
clay
On Jan 5, 2015, at
My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I find
it irksome when the occasional lister Andies me.
On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 11:52 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
agreed! one reason i wish i could still rely on the W123.
but that's
It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE
The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then fully
standardized after 1994.
Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers. The 93 has
upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the
On Jan 5, 2015 4:26 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Early engine management and not OBD compliant
Yikes. As a silver lining, I assume this means you have the early, hot rod
engine tune? That would explain the 15 mpg.
Tom
___
Tell me more about this W140. I was of the impression nearly all parts across
the W140 chassis are common, so I'm confused as to why these couldn't be
sourced from a dealer (or elsewhere?)
Dan
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On Jan 5, 2015, at 3:51 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Clay,
I’m not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC and
the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers. They’re a
1404210312, $129/each for the discs.
This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct?
Gimme a VIN. I’ll bet the parts are
Clay,
I'm not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at
the EPC and the discs are readily available for that car as are the
calipers. They're a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs.
This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct?
Gimme a VIN. I'll bet the parts
Original Message
From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 8:23 AM
To: ernest breakfield; Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I find
it irksome when
I am storing away all the niggling parts I can find for a R107. The older
stuff is very NLA, since it works for either the W115 or W116, which are not
getting any more love. Body panels are plentiful, the stuff to keep it
running, not so much
clay
who still has boxes of /8 parts cluttering
gas or diesel?
The 140 is a pig, so not good for heavy mileage. The 300se sucks a gallon
every 15 miles
The 124 is a very good platform for racking up miles, since it was well built
and matched to a good engine.
A 210 would not be on my radar due to the very low build quality I have found
The yards are no longer as flush with the old iron as they were around cash for
junkers. It seemed as if every 30+ year old, moss coated benz found is way to
the PnP. Now the 20 year old cars are making their way. Some are crashed,
others look to be inventory the fourth tier car lots could
: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 8:23 AM
To: ernest breakfield; Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I
find
it irksome when the occasional lister
Just pretend you have one of the off color interiors and get it painted up.
Frosch is a green on green. There is no way DBAG was going to pump out a bunch
of green consoles and dashes for that r107. The factory color is grey, but
they paint/dye it to match the Tex on the doors. Now that the
For many of my parts needs, the PnP is the only option. And I have to be very
specific about years. A 107 or 116 prior to 1976 will supply many parts at a
reasonable fee.
The fuel pump on Frosch died a few years ago. Indy tried to hack together a
pump system from a newer (available) K jet.
Our Sexy and fretful parts goddess, the Great and Wonderful Wizard of FL, was
able to scour the world to get one of the few remaining front disk sets for the
w140 300SE. They were found in South Africa. Seems Mandela had been hoarding
them in some island prison.
clay
2002 s430 - Victor, a
There used to be a great source right here in Seattle.
Benz Friendz had both an indy location and a massive pair of warehouses filled
to the rafters with rare and not so rare classic parts covering the past sixty
years and more. When the real estate market was bonkers, they got their lease
To: ernest breakfield; Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I
find
it irksome when the occasional lister Andies me.
How about 'Drew?
Rick
The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
happen to be.
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Amen.
On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are
definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them
unless you tow them to their
mercedes@okiebenz.com
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dwight.gi...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply
I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find?
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On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to
replace on our MBZs
...
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*Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
people seem to love
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Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have
higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla.
i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point
Well that is a bit disconcerting. I will still find a way!
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On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:52 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even
something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit.
@okiebenz.com ; Dwight Giles
dwight.gi...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are
definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact
A replacement dash or console in any color besides black.
--
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Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:43PM -0500 from dseretakis--- via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com:
I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find?
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On Jan
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dwight.gi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are
definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them
unless you tow them to their
most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even
something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit.
when even the Classic Center can't provide these, it's not a good sign.
cheers!
e
You said as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they
have so many of them
: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are
definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them
unless you
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*Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars
not sure who Fred is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA,
your mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the
Classic Center recommended last time i was looking for something
they couldn't get.)
now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things
break and
'Head, Curly, whoever you are now,... you seem to be misunderstanding so
much that i can only hope it's intentional. i'll readdress the points
you seem to have missed again below one last time for you.
as i said in the very text you quoted below, 12 years ago after i ran
some B100 through it,
agreed! one reason i wish i could still rely on the W123.
but that's going to be a non-issue if we can't get the dang thing
to drive.
cheers!
e
On 04/Jan/15 20:35, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go: God help you should you get
into an accident
On 04/Jan/15 20:31, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
Yes and furthermore, Mercedes has a much better parts availability than many
other cars.
while that was one of the things that kept us with the brand, our
experience has been that that's no longer the case.
Finding OE interior
as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could
find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to
get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much
screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm
interested
no Ernie here, but i have used So Cal Mercedes, at the recommendation
of the Classic Center. that's been the only way i've been able to keep
mine running in proper trim, but they've only had used parts for the
things i've found NLA elsewhere.
cheers!
e
On 04/Jan/15 18:59, Andrew Strasfogel
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
not sure who Fred is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, your
mileage may vary indeed! (making parts
Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed
the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest
in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of
keeping it running.
with Mercedes
it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points.
the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12
years ago, and actually started working better for a while after
starting to use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did
for most of the next decade or
Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go: God help you should you get
into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can. I'd much
rather be in a w123 Mercedes.
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On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com
True, but some vinyl dye can change that.
I would be quite surprised if a replacement dash could be bought for a 1990
Camry.
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On Jan 4, 2015, at 8:36 PM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
A replacement dash or console in any color besides black.
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Ernie,
Have you tried SO CAL Mercedes for any of these NLA parts? They have been
pretty reliable for some of the rare CA version W123 turbo parts I have
needed. Ask for Pete or Matt Bourne; mention my name and I get a free
trip to Hawaii. :)
SoCal Mercedes Parts
1436 N.Manzanita St.
Orange,
Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the
part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in
locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of
keeping it running.
with Mercedes
it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points.
the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12 years
ago, and actually started working better for a while after starting to
use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did for most of the
next decade or
there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count
on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised
it didn't show up before now!
for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was
NLA for either of those vehicles from the
Yes and furthermore, Mercedes has a much better parts availability than many
other cars. Finding OE interior parts on many ten year old cars is nearly
impossible. Not so with Mercedes.
Asian cars parts are also quite pricey, more so than quality European car
parts. Honda is one example.
So
I can't speak for the W140 diesels, but for the gassers there is no shortage of
parts. Some things, like the self-destructing wiring harnesses if you're
unlucky enough to have a car that still has one, are in the aftermarket but
getting harder to find as demand has dropped off. A lot of the
Original Message
From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply To: ernest breakfield
Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep
running.
That was always the big claim to fame with mb was you could get parts for any
car even back to the 40s and 50s. Not anymore.
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On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of
Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone? Spring perches etc.? Or is that only
here in the salt belt?
On Jan 3, 2015 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
Based on what I know about them, it sounds like a W210 would be your best
bet. I'm told by current owners that they are
Based on what I know about them, it sounds like a W210 would be your best bet.
I'm told by current owners that they are good on gas and pretty rugged. Not a
lot of electronics and fairly simple to work on.
You might want to wander through the W210 forum over at Benzworld and see what
people
I have been seeing on the news people talking about the cheap gas and how they
rushed out to buy big suv since the prices are low. They are idiots, it will be
back up soon enough
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On Jan 3, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
I have been seeing on the news people talking about the cheap gas and how they
rushed out to buy big suv since the prices are low. They are idiots, it will be
back up soon enough
Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser.
Fools'
I believe these are the chassis' with the spring perch issue, but that being
the case its like the W140 disintegrating wiring harnesses - you know exactly
what to look for and can immediately disqualify a car.
Others who know better than I will comment, I'm sure.
Dan
On Jan 3, 2015, at
On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote:
Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone? Spring perches etc.? Or is that only
here in the salt belt?
Yes.
That said, the 4-matic cars don't have that issue, and I would think a non rust
belt car would not have that
Yes they are truly awful. They are pretty rock solid mechanically though and
have nice interiors.
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On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone? Spring perches etc.? Or is that only
here in the
On Jan 3, 2015 5:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser.
I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas
was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like the
car
The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable than
the v6 blue tec
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On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Tom Savage via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
On Jan 3, 2015 5:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
Yep, now is
Tom wrote:
I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer
when gas was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with
premium. I like the car but with a 50 cent price differential and
a disappointing 30.3 mpg it will be a while before I get to feel
clever again.
Is
Tom wrote:
I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas
was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like the
car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it
will be a while before I get to feel clever again.
On my
Yeah but they have those goofy brakes and besides, I couldn't find any that
didn't have a zillion miles and spotty service history. The Bluetec only
had 36k miles on it, and all records from the dealer.
The V6 is more complicated but doesn't seem to be less reliable.
Tom
On Jan 3, 2015 6:31
I had one of those engines in my GL and did not have problems I was told by a
reliable mb guy they are disposable. They are not built as well as the old
straight 6
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On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah but they have those goofy brakes and
On Jan 3, 2015 6:45 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Is fuel price the only reason you choose to drive a diesel?
For me it's not. I choose diesel engines for a lot of other
reasons, so now that gasoline is cheap (for a while) I loose one of
the lesser benefits.
Modern
yeah, that worked for me on the Fuel Sender unit (eventually), but i
hope Andrew has it in his garage! isn't a long-term strategy for me for
a vehicle i need in regular use.;-)
cheers!
e
On 03/Jan/15 12:50, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
Hey, all you W123 people whining about
That's what i hope to find in a couple years. Meanwhile My 124 2.5t runs
like new gets 29mpg.
On Jan 3, 2015 7:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable
than the v6 blue tec
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The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make
long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
or variations in prices.
Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that
it is not the same as every other engine on the
Amen.
On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make
long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
or variations in prices.
Enjoy the Diesel engine for the
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