Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
You need to find another dealer. W140 parts, no matter how strange, are readily available through MBNA. The only things that are drying up are soft froo-froo parts like floor mats for the coupe. Next time you run into this or even think you can't find something for a W140, let me know and I'll get a definitive answer from my dealer parts guy. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 6, 2015, at 1:18 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: We tried that with the local dealer, and they could not source them. Calipers are ok, Dr. fatty got the rotors too. It took a while for him to track them down because EPC had the numbers, but they were not in inventory according to Gary. I think we paid $200 for both rotors clay On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Clay, I’m not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers. They’re a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs. This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct? Gimme a VIN. I’ll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB. Dan On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:26 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then fully standardized after 1994. Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers. The 93 has upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 94+ Early engine management and not OBD compliant Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93 (expensive to learn that one) Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the w140. I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were resolved down the line. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Thanks. Next time the issue arises, you will be consulted clay On Jan 6, 2015, at 2:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: You need to find another dealer. W140 parts, no matter how strange, are readily available through MBNA. The only things that are drying up are soft froo-froo parts like floor mats for the coupe. Next time you run into this or even think you can't find something for a W140, let me know and I'll get a definitive answer from my dealer parts guy. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 6, 2015, at 1:18 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: We tried that with the local dealer, and they could not source them. Calipers are ok, Dr. fatty got the rotors too. It took a while for him to track them down because EPC had the numbers, but they were not in inventory according to Gary. I think we paid $200 for both rotors clay On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Clay, I’m not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers. They’re a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs. This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct? Gimme a VIN. I’ll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB. Dan On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:26 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then fully standardized after 1994. Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers. The 93 has upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 94+ Early engine management and not OBD compliant Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93 (expensive to learn that one) Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the w140. I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were resolved down the line. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Please do. I have the resources of a 20+ year Mercedes dealer parts guy whom I have yet to stump. And he has no problem telling me to buy stuff elsewhere if it's equal and cheaper. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:37 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks. Next time the issue arises, you will be consulted clay On Jan 6, 2015, at 2:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: You need to find another dealer. W140 parts, no matter how strange, are readily available through MBNA. The only things that are drying up are soft froo-froo parts like floor mats for the coupe. Next time you run into this or even think you can't find something for a W140, let me know and I'll get a definitive answer from my dealer parts guy. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 6, 2015, at 1:18 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: We tried that with the local dealer, and they could not source them. Calipers are ok, Dr. fatty got the rotors too. It took a while for him to track them down because EPC had the numbers, but they were not in inventory according to Gary. I think we paid $200 for both rotors clay On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Clay, I’m not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers. They’re a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs. This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct? Gimme a VIN. I’ll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB. Dan On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:26 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then fully standardized after 1994. Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers. The 93 has upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 94+ Early engine management and not OBD compliant Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93 (expensive to learn that one) Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the w140. I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were resolved down the line. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
hi Andrew! no worries; thanks! cheers! e On 05/Jan/15 06:23, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I find it irksome when the occasional lister Andies me. On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 11:52 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: agreed! one reason i wish i could still rely on the W123. but that's going to be a non-issue if we can't get the dang thing to drive. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 20:35, dsereta...@yahoo.com mailto:dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go: God help you should you get into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can. I'd much rather be in a w123 Mercedes. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show up before now! for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123. it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while you're on the road. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
We tried that with the local dealer, and they could not source them. Calipers are ok, Dr. fatty got the rotors too. It took a while for him to track them down because EPC had the numbers, but they were not in inventory according to Gary. I think we paid $200 for both rotors clay On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Clay, I’m not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers. They’re a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs. This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct? Gimme a VIN. I’ll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB. Dan On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:26 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then fully standardized after 1994. Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers. The 93 has upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 94+ Early engine management and not OBD compliant Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93 (expensive to learn that one) Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the w140. I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were resolved down the line. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
I loved the R series beemers. A real bike I have not gotten hands on a R129 at the PnP,. but did source both rotors and calipers from a '94 w140. Not at all the same as what was on the car to begin with, which is why I got Gary involved in finding what was needed. clay On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Clay, I'm not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers. They're a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs. This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct? Gimme a VIN. I'll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB. Dan Sounds like Clay got ripped. Whoever this Sexy and fretful parts goddess, is she'd better look good. Telling him they were NLA and only could be found in SA (ZA) is a scam. Aside from that, knowing how MB works, they probably fit a R129 or some other chassis also. Brake rotors are not that unusual. One of the things I loved was that BMW motorcycle cyl base gaskets and valve cover gaskets from about 1950 to 1980 or later could be interchanged. Much of the technology changed around them, but parts were not changed just because some enginerror could. The converse is one of the reasons I hate Micro$haft Every year they break software that works and build something that doesn't just because they can. Basically, it it had overhead pushrods, the gaskets were the same. When they turned the engine upside down, then things changed. Even more so when they decided to add extra cylinders and a water jacket. I still don't consider those real BMWs. A real BMW has 2 jugs and a shaft, and the jugs go in and out at the same time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I find it irksome when the occasional lister Andies me. On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 11:52 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: agreed! one reason i wish i could still rely on the W123. but that's going to be a non-issue if we can't get the dang thing to drive. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 20:35, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go: God help you should you get into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can. I'd much rather be in a w123 Mercedes. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show up before now! for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123. it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while you're on the road. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then fully standardized after 1994. Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers. The 93 has upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 94+ Early engine management and not OBD compliant Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93 (expensive to learn that one) Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the w140. I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were resolved down the line. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 5, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Tell me more about this W140. I was of the impression nearly all parts across the W140 chassis are common, so I'm confused as to why these couldn't be sourced from a dealer (or elsewhere?) Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 5, 2015, at 3:51 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Our Sexy and fretful parts goddess, the Great and Wonderful Wizard of FL, was able to scour the world to get one of the few remaining front disk sets for the w140 300SE. They were found in South Africa. Seems Mandela had been hoarding them in some island prison. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote: as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
On Jan 5, 2015 4:26 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Early engine management and not OBD compliant Yikes. As a silver lining, I assume this means you have the early, hot rod engine tune? That would explain the 15 mpg. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Tell me more about this W140. I was of the impression nearly all parts across the W140 chassis are common, so I'm confused as to why these couldn't be sourced from a dealer (or elsewhere?) Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 5, 2015, at 3:51 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Our Sexy and fretful parts goddess, the Great and Wonderful Wizard of FL, was able to scour the world to get one of the few remaining front disk sets for the w140 300SE. They were found in South Africa. Seems Mandela had been hoarding them in some island prison. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote: as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Clay, I’m not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers. They’re a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs. This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct? Gimme a VIN. I’ll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB. Dan On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:26 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then fully standardized after 1994. Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers. The 93 has upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 94+ Early engine management and not OBD compliant Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93 (expensive to learn that one) Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the w140. I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were resolved down the line. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Clay, I'm not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers. They're a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs. This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct? Gimme a VIN. I'll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB. Dan Sounds like Clay got ripped. Whoever this Sexy and fretful parts goddess, is she'd better look good. Telling him they were NLA and only could be found in SA (ZA) is a scam. Aside from that, knowing how MB works, they probably fit a R129 or some other chassis also. Brake rotors are not that unusual. One of the things I loved was that BMW motorcycle cyl base gaskets and valve cover gaskets from about 1950 to 1980 or later could be interchanged. Much of the technology changed around them, but parts were not changed just because some enginerror could. The converse is one of the reasons I hate Micro$haft Every year they break software that works and build something that doesn't just because they can. Basically, it it had overhead pushrods, the gaskets were the same. When they turned the engine upside down, then things changed. Even more so when they decided to add extra cylinders and a water jacket. I still don't consider those real BMWs. A real BMW has 2 jugs and a shaft, and the jugs go in and out at the same time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 8:23 AM To: ernest breakfield; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I find it irksome when the occasional lister Andies me. How about 'Drew? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
I am storing away all the niggling parts I can find for a R107. The older stuff is very NLA, since it works for either the W115 or W116, which are not getting any more love. Body panels are plentiful, the stuff to keep it running, not so much clay who still has boxes of /8 parts cluttering up the house On Jan 3, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey, all you W123 people whining about parts that are NLA. Please SHARE the specifics inasmuch as I have a ton of spare parts cluttering up my garage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
gas or diesel? The 140 is a pig, so not good for heavy mileage. The 300se sucks a gallon every 15 miles The 124 is a very good platform for racking up miles, since it was well built and matched to a good engine. A 210 would not be on my radar due to the very low build quality I have found while searching for a car to replace the E300. The finish is on a par with a mid '90 civic. Maybe one of the gussied up end of model examples? clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 3, 2015, at 1:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Original Message From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply To: ernest breakfield Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day) we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas prices WILL be going back up... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
The yards are no longer as flush with the old iron as they were around cash for junkers. It seemed as if every 30+ year old, moss coated benz found is way to the PnP. Now the 20 year old cars are making their way. Some are crashed, others look to be inventory the fourth tier car lots could not turn over fast enough. This is based on the paperwork living in the glove box showing the car registered to el Nacho del Norte car flogger clay On Jan 4, 2015, at 4:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Drew is totally foreign to me. Where I grew up it was assumed that all Andrews were Andy. When I finally got out of college and went into grad school, I reinvented myself as Andrew. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 8:23 AM To: ernest breakfield; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I find it irksome when the occasional lister Andies me. How about 'Drew? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Just pretend you have one of the off color interiors and get it painted up. Frosch is a green on green. There is no way DBAG was going to pump out a bunch of green consoles and dashes for that r107. The factory color is grey, but they paint/dye it to match the Tex on the doors. Now that the only available consoles are black and have split off side carpet, I do not feel poorly about masking and doing a rattle can refurb clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 4, 2015, at 5:36 PM, astrasfogel--- via Mercedes wrote: A replacement dash or console in any color besides black. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:43PM -0500 from dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
For many of my parts needs, the PnP is the only option. And I have to be very specific about years. A 107 or 116 prior to 1976 will supply many parts at a reasonable fee. The fuel pump on Frosch died a few years ago. Indy tried to hack together a pump system from a newer (available) K jet. It was not good, and was replaced with one of the junk yard pumps I sourced. We did find out that a Nissan fuel pump was a really close match, so now my indy can replace D-jet pumps with those. There are a number of NLA parts, and more coming, since even the Classic Center is unable to source much more than the high end collector car bits on bobs. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:05 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote: cute, but sadly inaccurate. ignoring the parts we've already discussed, we've had no-go failures including (but not limited to) broken accelerator linkage (350 miles from home, natch) and an ignition switch assembly behind the tumbler that disintegrated (fortunately, directly outside a local indys shop). not a big deal *if* parts were still available, but the idea that these (or any other car) never break is just not true. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:34, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps a better descriptor is the one offered by a tech at an indy Autohaus: they don't break. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Our Sexy and fretful parts goddess, the Great and Wonderful Wizard of FL, was able to scour the world to get one of the few remaining front disk sets for the w140 300SE. They were found in South Africa. Seems Mandela had been hoarding them in some island prison. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote: as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
There used to be a great source right here in Seattle. Benz Friendz had both an indy location and a massive pair of warehouses filled to the rafters with rare and not so rare classic parts covering the past sixty years and more. When the real estate market was bonkers, they got their lease yanked and had to liquidate fast. I got a goodly amount of items I really needed. Much of the inventory was forced to make a home at a land fill or sold to china to become steel clay On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Ernie, Have you tried SO CAL Mercedes for any of these NLA parts? They have been pretty reliable for some of the rare CA version W123 turbo parts I have needed. Ask for Pete or Matt Bourne; mention my name and I get a free trip to Hawaii. :) SoCal Mercedes Parts 1436 N.Manzanita St. Orange, CA. 92867 www.socalmercedesparts.com Phone 714.221.0672 Fax 714.628.0818 Toll Free 888.664.6602 On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126. 125k miles is nothing. Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
My wife's newphew and wife had a baby girl this past year. They announced that her name was Magnolia. I immediately thought, Maggie but NO - She has become Nolly RB On 05/01/2015 12:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Drew is totally foreign to me. Where I grew up it was assumed that all Andrews were Andy. When I finally got out of college and went into grad school, I reinvented myself as Andrew. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 8:23 AM To: ernest breakfield; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I find it irksome when the occasional lister Andies me. How about 'Drew? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123.Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and considering their cost when new much less common... I think when most people say bulletproof they mean maintainable. The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff solenoid) a friend said Geez I thought those were reliable... Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me. -Curt Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator... From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla. i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point that that *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going NLA. i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking for a 123 that was up to our standards when i bought our last one over 10 years ago. we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect condition as possible, and it's always been our first choice for thousand-mile weekends (as long as they were completely paved), and even did one just over the Christmas holiday. nothing quite like ripping the Grapevine up both sides doing over 70 MPH in pretty old diesel car; you can practically hear the old truckers smiling as we blow by them. ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost no rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn signal (from an a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^ ), the ACC works and Speed Control even still works eventually after a few tries. working windows and sunroof, no leaks anywhere, but the paint is starting to show signs of being tired on the roof and trunk. heck, the factory alarm still works even and it's the only 123 i've seen for a while that doesn't have any cracks in the dash; it's because it's in such nice condition that it makes it so hard to have to consider letting it go! cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 16:39, Curt Raymond wrote: sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and considering their cost when new much less common... I think when most people say bulletproof they mean maintainable. The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff solenoid) a friend said Geez I thought those were reliable... Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me. -Curt Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator... *From:* ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com *To:* Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
The only consolation we have with our rusty cars is that the dashes rarely crack, or rarely crack badly. My '84 190D has a few cracks which I attribute to it having some southern heritage... -Curt From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla. i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point that that *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going NLA. i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking for a 123 that was up to our standards when i bought our last one over 10 years ago. we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect condition as possible, and it's always been our first choice for thousand-mile weekends (as long as they were completely paved), and even did one just over the Christmas holiday. nothing quite like ripping the Grapevine up both sides doing over 70 MPH in pretty old diesel car; you can practically hear the old truckers smiling as we blow by them. ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost no rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn signal (from an a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^ ), the ACC works and Speed Control even still works eventually after a few tries. working windows and sunroof, no leaks anywhere, but the paint is starting to show signs of being tired on the roof and trunk. heck, the factory alarm still works even and it's the only 123 i've seen for a while that doesn't have any cracks in the dash; it's because it's in such nice condition that it makes it so hard to have to consider letting it go! cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Well that is a bit disconcerting. I will still find a way! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:52 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit. when even the Classic Center can't provide these, it's not a good sign. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 16:43, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Perhaps a better descriptor is the one offered by a tech at an indy Autohaus: they don't break. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:39PM -0500 from Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123.Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and considering their cost when new much less common... I think when most people say bulletproof they mean maintainable. The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff solenoid) a friend said Geez I thought those were reliable... Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me. -Curt Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator... From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com ; Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
A replacement dash or console in any color besides black. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:43PM -0500 from dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
By way of disagreeing with some of your 123 conclusions, i have to use Fred's phrase, YMMV. On Jan 4, 2015 8:06 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla. i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point that that *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going NLA. i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking for a 123 that was up to our standards when i bought our last one over 10 years ago. we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect condition as possible, and it's always been our first choice for thousand-mile weekends (as long as they were completely paved), and even did one just over the Christmas holiday. nothing quite like ripping the Grapevine up both sides doing over 70 MPH in pretty old diesel car; you can practically hear the old truckers smiling as we blow by them. ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost no rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn signal (from an a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^ ), the ACC works and Speed Control even still works eventually after a few tries. working windows and sunroof, no leaks anywhere, but the paint is starting to show signs of being tired on the roof and trunk. heck, the factory alarm still works even and it's the only 123 i've seen for a while that doesn't have any cracks in the dash; it's because it's in such nice condition that it makes it so hard to have to consider letting it go! cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 16:39, Curt Raymond wrote: sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and considering their cost when new much less common... I think when most people say bulletproof they mean maintainable. The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff solenoid) a friend said Geez I thought those were reliable... Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me. -Curt Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator... *From:* ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com *To:* Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126. 125k miles is nothing. Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit. when even the Classic Center can't provide these, it's not a good sign. cheers! e You said as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them If 123s are so common in junkyards, then go pull a fuel sender and an amp. There are many good instructions in the internet about how to clean and repair fuel senders. Had you kept the bugs out of your B100, your sender would not be gunked up. Even without a fuel sender, I can drive a 123 for years. Just fill it at regular intervals, and if need be, fix the odometer so you can tell how far you have gone. (or use an iphone to track miles.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
cute, but sadly inaccurate. ignoring the parts we've already discussed, we've had no-go failures including (but not limited to) broken accelerator linkage (350 miles from home, natch) and an ignition switch assembly behind the tumbler that disintegrated (fortunately, directly outside a local indys shop). not a big deal *if* parts were still available, but the idea that these (or any other car) never break is just not true. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:34, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps a better descriptor is the one offered by a tech at an indy Autohaus: they don't break. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:39PM -0500 from Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123.Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and considering their cost when new much less common... I think when most people say bulletproof they mean maintainable. The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff solenoid) a friend said Geez I thought those were reliable... Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me. -Curt Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator... From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com ; Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
not sure who Fred is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, your mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the Classic Center recommended last time i was looking for something they couldn't get.) now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things break and parts are becoming no longer available from the manufacturer are realities that i find sad. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:37, Dwight Giles wrote: By way of disagreeing with some of your 123 conclusions, i have to use Fred's phrase, YMMV. On Jan 4, 2015 8:06 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla. i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point that that *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going NLA. i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking for a 123 that was up to our standards when i bought our last one over 10 years ago. we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect condition as possible, and it's always been our first choice for thousand-mile weekends (as long as they were completely paved), and even did one just over the Christmas holiday. nothing quite like ripping the Grapevine up both sides doing over 70 MPH in pretty old diesel car; you can practically hear the old truckers smiling as we blow by them. ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost no rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn signal (from an a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^ ), the ACC works and Speed Control even still works eventually after a few tries. working windows and sunroof, no leaks anywhere, but the paint is starting to show signs of being tired on the roof and trunk. heck, the factory alarm still works even and it's the only 123 i've seen for a while that doesn't have any cracks in the dash; it's because it's in such nice condition that it makes it so hard to have to consider letting it go! cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 16:39, Curt Raymond wrote: sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and considering their cost when new much less common... I think when most people say bulletproof they mean maintainable. The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff solenoid) a friend said Geez I thought those were reliable... Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me. -Curt Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator... *From:* ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com *To:* Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com; Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com mailto:dwight.gi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
not sure who Fred is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, your mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the Classic Center recommended last time i was looking for something they couldn't get.) now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things break and parts are becoming no longer available from the manufacturer are realities that i find sad. cheers! e Cathey is a verb. Fred is a list member. MB is no longer the MB of old. But there are more sources of parts than MB. I've bought few parts from MB in the past 15 years. If a part is NLA, there are ways to fix it. 1. Fix the old one 2. Buy a used one from a junkyard (or keep your own junker) 3. Buy a new one from an OEM 4. Buy a new one from Uro 5. Adapt one from something else 6. Make a Catheyesque repair using old microwave ovens, shoogoo, wire and parts on hand. 7. Bosch parts are available from Bosch In short, there is a way, if you have the will and some creativity. I just got a $600 porcupine and a aux fan for the SDL for $75 total. The alternative to the $600 porcupine is a $5 switch. That is how the heater is running now. My next alternative was the resistor unit for my old dogde van. I figured I could wire that in with a multiposition switch to have 5 heater speeds. A sub-$1000 car is not worth spending $600 to have a heater. Not having a heater/defrost is not an option in subzero weather. These are examples of Catheyesque repairs. Chevrolette has not sold parts for 55,56, 57 chevrolettes for decades, yet parts are readily available. KEEP 'Em FLYING! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
'Head, Curly, whoever you are now,... you seem to be misunderstanding so much that i can only hope it's intentional. i'll readdress the points you seem to have missed again below one last time for you. as i said in the very text you quoted below, 12 years ago after i ran some B100 through it, i didn't need a Fuel Sender for a while. i didn't say that was a reason to dump the car. i pointed out the lack of the availability of the Fuel Sender as an example of a simple item that was no longer supported like what MBZ parts used to be. also, as i already said in text you quoted below, i did try to fix it. obviously, had it been repairable, i wouldn't have needed another one. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:12, Curly McLain wrote: it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points. the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12 years ago, and actually started working better for a while after starting to use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did for most of the next decade or so. i am fully aware of the cleaning process, and went through it without positive result. 12 years ago, I am sure the fuel sender was available. If you ran it without a working sender for 10 years, that hardly seems a defensible reason to dump the car now. Why not just fix it? If it was such a problem, why didn't you buy a new one when you got the car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
agreed! one reason i wish i could still rely on the W123. but that's going to be a non-issue if we can't get the dang thing to drive. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 20:35, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go: God help you should you get into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can. I'd much rather be in a w123 Mercedes. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show up before now! for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123. it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while you're on the road. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
On 04/Jan/15 20:31, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Yes and furthermore, Mercedes has a much better parts availability than many other cars. while that was one of the things that kept us with the brand, our experience has been that that's no longer the case. Finding OE interior parts on many ten year old cars is nearly impossible. Not so with Mercedes. if you say so; it may be perhaps because of the condition of our cars and the condition we keep them in, but i don't recall ever looking for interior parts for any car. (i could probably use a First Aid Kit door for the W123, but i haven't looked for one yet; that's a recent failure, and we've had other issues to deal with.) Asian cars parts are also quite pricey, more so than quality European car parts. Honda is one example. i've no experience with Hondas, but haven't found that to be the case with the Mazdas and Toyotas in the family. So many w123s were built that a steady supply of used parts will be around for years to come and with the above mentioned relative ease of Mercedes new parts aquisition, holding on to a w123 diesel should be a cakewalk. if our experience in acquiring new parts were what it used to be like, i might agree with you regarding how easy it would be to keep these running. but as i've said, i've no interest in hoping i can hunt down and find whatever part i might need next time something fails on the road, new, let alone used. if that's someone else's idea of fun, that's great for them, but i'm not interested. cheers! e Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126. 125k miles is nothing. Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
no Ernie here, but i have used So Cal Mercedes, at the recommendation of the Classic Center. that's been the only way i've been able to keep mine running in proper trim, but they've only had used parts for the things i've found NLA elsewhere. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 18:59, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Ernie, Have you tried SO CAL Mercedes for any of these NLA parts? They have been pretty reliable for some of the rare CA version W123 turbo parts I have needed. Ask for Pete or Matt Bourne; mention my name and I get a free trip to Hawaii. :) SoCal Mercedes Parts 1436 N.Manzanita St. Orange, CA. 92867 www.socalmercedesparts.com http://www.socalmercedesparts.com Phone 714.221.0672 Fax 714.628.0818 Toll Free 888.664.6602 On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126. 125k miles is nothing. Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Porcupine reminds me: During a summer maybe 10 years ago, I needed a porcupine for my '91 350SDL; 'had it on order and en route, but I needed to drive the car on round trip to Williamsburg, VA. I used a two-pole toggle switch to operate the blower for the trip. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 not sure who Fred is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, your mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the Classic Center recommended last time i was looking for something they couldn't get.) now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things break and parts are becoming no longer available from the manufacturer are realities that i find sad. cheers! e Cathey is a verb. Fred is a list member. MB is no longer the MB of old. But there are more sources of parts than MB. I've bought few parts from MB in the past 15 years. If a part is NLA, there are ways to fix it. 1. Fix the old one 2. Buy a used one from a junkyard (or keep your own junker) 3. Buy a new one from an OEM 4. Buy a new one from Uro 5. Adapt one from something else 6. Make a Catheyesque repair using old microwave ovens, shoogoo, wire and parts on hand. 7. Bosch parts are available from Bosch In short, there is a way, if you have the will and some creativity. I just got a $600 porcupine and a aux fan for the SDL for $75 total. The alternative to the $600 porcupine is a $5 switch. That is how the heater is running now. My next alternative was the resistor unit for my old dogde van. I figured I could wire that in with a multiposition switch to have 5 heater speeds. A sub-$1000 car is not worth spending $600 to have a heater. Not having a heater/defrost is not an option in subzero weather. These are examples of Catheyesque repairs. Chevrolette has not sold parts for 55,56, 57 chevrolettes for decades, yet parts are readily available. KEEP 'Em FLYING! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points. the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12 years ago, and actually started working better for a while after starting to use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did for most of the next decade or so. i am fully aware of the cleaning process, and went through it without positive result. 12 years ago, I am sure the fuel sender was available. If you ran it without a working sender for 10 years, that hardly seems a defensible reason to dump the car now. Why not just fix it? If it was such a problem, why didn't you buy a new one when you got the car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go: God help you should you get into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can. I'd much rather be in a w123 Mercedes. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show up before now! for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123. it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while you're on the road. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
True, but some vinyl dye can change that. I would be quite surprised if a replacement dash could be bought for a 1990 Camry. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 8:36 PM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: A replacement dash or console in any color besides black. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:43PM -0500 from dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Ernie, Have you tried SO CAL Mercedes for any of these NLA parts? They have been pretty reliable for some of the rare CA version W123 turbo parts I have needed. Ask for Pete or Matt Bourne; mention my name and I get a free trip to Hawaii. :) SoCal Mercedes Parts 1436 N.Manzanita St. Orange, CA. 92867 www.socalmercedesparts.com Phone 714.221.0672 Fax 714.628.0818 Toll Free 888.664.6602 On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126. 125k miles is nothing. Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 18:33, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: not sure who Fred is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, your mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the Classic Center recommended last time i was looking for something they couldn't get.) now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things break and parts are becoming no longer available from the manufacturer are realities that i find sad. cheers! e Cathey is a verb. Fred is a list member. MB is no longer the MB of old. But there are more sources of parts than MB. I've bought few parts from MB in the past 15 years. If a part is NLA, there are ways to fix it. 1. Fix the old one 2. Buy a used one from a junkyard (or keep your own junker) 3. Buy a new one from an OEM 4. Buy a new one from Uro 5. Adapt one from something else 6. Make a Catheyesque repair using old microwave ovens, shoogoo, wire and parts on hand. 7. Bosch parts are available from Bosch In short, there is a way, if you have the will and some creativity. I just got a $600 porcupine and a aux fan for the SDL for $75 total. The alternative to the $600 porcupine is a $5 switch. That is how the heater is running now. My next alternative was the resistor unit for my old dogde van. I figured I could wire that in with a multiposition switch to have 5 heater speeds. A sub-$1000 car is not worth spending $600 to have a heater. Not having a heater/defrost is not an option in subzero weather. These are examples of Catheyesque repairs. Chevrolette has not sold parts for 55,56, 57 chevrolettes for decades, yet parts are readily available. KEEP 'Em FLYING! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points. the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12 years ago, and actually started working better for a while after starting to use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did for most of the next decade or so. i am fully aware of the cleaning process, and went through it without positive result. the commercially produced BioD we've been using has not been attributable to any problem we've had to date. we're not all talking about some homebrew crap, or throwing WVO in the tank. as i said up front; i want a dependable and maintainable vehicle, and am not interested in maintaining one as a hobby. we use our cars for far to much to hope for the chance to find used parts when/where we need them. we're clearly not interested in maintaining a vehicle at the same level. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:50, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit. when even the Classic Center can't provide these, it's not a good sign. cheers! e You said as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them If 123s are so common in junkyards, then go pull a fuel sender and an amp. There are many good instructions in the internet about how to clean and repair fuel senders. Had you kept the bugs out of your B100, your sender would not be gunked up. Even without a fuel sender, I can drive a 123 for years. Just fill it at regular intervals, and if need be, fix the odometer so you can tell how far you have gone. (or use an iphone to track miles.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show up before now! for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123. it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while you're on the road. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Yes and furthermore, Mercedes has a much better parts availability than many other cars. Finding OE interior parts on many ten year old cars is nearly impossible. Not so with Mercedes. Asian cars parts are also quite pricey, more so than quality European car parts. Honda is one example. So many w123s were built that a steady supply of used parts will be around for years to come and with the above mentioned relative ease of Mercedes new parts aquisition, holding on to a w123 diesel should be a cakewalk. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
I can't speak for the W140 diesels, but for the gassers there is no shortage of parts. Some things, like the self-destructing wiring harnesses if you're unlucky enough to have a car that still has one, are in the aftermarket but getting harder to find as demand has dropped off. A lot of the guys on the Benzworld W140 forum aggressively part cars out, so there's a good supply of used parts floating around, too. BTW, I had to top off the S500's AC today. The youngest said it wasn't making cool well. There's evidence of dye from the compressor seal, so I suspect that's the (new) weak point. Meh. If I have to put a can of refrigerant in it occasionally I'm still ahead compared to having to replace the evaporator. Dan On Jan 3, 2015, at 3:09 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little parts becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel MBZs was because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running trim for so long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case. we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to rethink it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too. are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s? cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
Original Message From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply To: ernest breakfield Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day) we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas prices WILL be going back up... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
That was always the big claim to fame with mb was you could get parts for any car even back to the 40s and 50s. Not anymore. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little parts becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel MBZs was because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running trim for so long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case. we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to rethink it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too. are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s? cheers! e On 03/Jan/15 11:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would rather have a nice W126, too. Gasser or diesel. That's not to say this isn't a nice W123. W140s have spoiled me. I want a land yacht sedan. W126 or W140, either way, something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my living room while I drive Dan On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too. Jaime On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the 350SDL with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by procrastinating coupla days too long. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a subscriber to this list. On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:26 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll bet he gets his price, and further it won't be a subscriber of this list... Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone? Spring perches etc.? Or is that only here in the salt belt? On Jan 3, 2015 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Based on what I know about them, it sounds like a W210 would be your best bet. I'm told by current owners that they are good on gas and pretty rugged. Not a lot of electronics and fairly simple to work on. You might want to wander through the W210 forum over at Benzworld and see what people are saying. They may have an FAQ on what to look for when you're buying one, too. Most of the sections have stickies like this. While I'm sure a W124 could serve the need, finding one that's been properly cared for and doesn't have a boatload of miles on it at his point is going to be tough. Not to mention the W210s are plentiful enough that you could probably get a good one for less than the top end W124. Like the CarTalk guys always said, the newer it is, the safer it's going to be, too. Dan On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply To: ernest breakfield Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day) we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas prices WILL be going back up... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
Based on what I know about them, it sounds like a W210 would be your best bet. I'm told by current owners that they are good on gas and pretty rugged. Not a lot of electronics and fairly simple to work on. You might want to wander through the W210 forum over at Benzworld and see what people are saying. They may have an FAQ on what to look for when you're buying one, too. Most of the sections have stickies like this. While I'm sure a W124 could serve the need, finding one that's been properly cared for and doesn't have a boatload of miles on it at his point is going to be tough. Not to mention the W210s are plentiful enough that you could probably get a good one for less than the top end W124. Like the CarTalk guys always said, the newer it is, the safer it's going to be, too. Dan On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply To: ernest breakfield Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day) we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas prices WILL be going back up... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
I have been seeing on the news people talking about the cheap gas and how they rushed out to buy big suv since the prices are low. They are idiots, it will be back up soon enough Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply To: ernest breakfield Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day) we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas prices WILL be going back up... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I have been seeing on the news people talking about the cheap gas and how they rushed out to buy big suv since the prices are low. They are idiots, it will be back up soon enough Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser. Fools' memories rarely extend past their last fillup, and there are enough fools out there to really skew the market. Should be interesting to see how long it takes for Chevy to roll out $5k rebates on Cruze Eco. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I believe these are the chassis' with the spring perch issue, but that being the case its like the W140 disintegrating wiring harnesses - you know exactly what to look for and can immediately disqualify a car. Others who know better than I will comment, I'm sure. Dan On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone? Spring perches etc.? Or is that only here in the salt belt? On Jan 3, 2015 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Based on what I know about them, it sounds like a W210 would be your best bet. I'm told by current owners that they are good on gas and pretty rugged. Not a lot of electronics and fairly simple to work on. You might want to wander through the W210 forum over at Benzworld and see what people are saying. They may have an FAQ on what to look for when you're buying one, too. Most of the sections have stickies like this. While I'm sure a W124 could serve the need, finding one that's been properly cared for and doesn't have a boatload of miles on it at his point is going to be tough. Not to mention the W210s are plentiful enough that you could probably get a good one for less than the top end W124. Like the CarTalk guys always said, the newer it is, the safer it's going to be, too. Dan On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply To: ernest breakfield Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day) we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas prices WILL be going back up... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone? Spring perches etc.? Or is that only here in the salt belt? Yes. That said, the 4-matic cars don't have that issue, and I would think a non rust belt car would not have that issue. If I were to put a liberal coating of Fluid Film on rust prone areas every autumn, the car should last until it is pretty much obsolete. At least that is my thoughts on the matter. Rick Who wishes Fluid Film would've been put on his 123's every year. Who also wonders where Hendrik has been hiding lately? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yes they are truly awful. They are pretty rock solid mechanically though and have nice interiors. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone? Spring perches etc.? Or is that only here in the salt belt? On Jan 3, 2015 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Based on what I know about them, it sounds like a W210 would be your best bet. I'm told by current owners that they are good on gas and pretty rugged. Not a lot of electronics and fairly simple to work on. You might want to wander through the W210 forum over at Benzworld and see what people are saying. They may have an FAQ on what to look for when you're buying one, too. Most of the sections have stickies like this. While I'm sure a W124 could serve the need, finding one that's been properly cared for and doesn't have a boatload of miles on it at his point is going to be tough. Not to mention the W210s are plentiful enough that you could probably get a good one for less than the top end W124. Like the CarTalk guys always said, the newer it is, the safer it's going to be, too. Dan On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply To: ernest breakfield Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day) we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas prices WILL be going back up... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Jan 3, 2015 5:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser. I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like the car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it will be a while before I get to feel clever again. On my easy highway commute I averaged 20.6 in now-Dan's S420. Maybe I should put more air in the tires. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable than the v6 blue tec Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Tom Savage via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Jan 3, 2015 5:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser. I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like the car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it will be a while before I get to feel clever again. On my easy highway commute I averaged 20.6 in now-Dan's S420. Maybe I should put more air in the tires. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Tom wrote: I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like the car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it will be a while before I get to feel clever again. Is fuel price the only reason you choose to drive a diesel? For me it's not. I choose diesel engines for a lot of other reasons, so now that gasoline is cheap (for a while) I loose one of the lesser benefits. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Tom wrote: I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like the car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it will be a while before I get to feel clever again. On my easy highway commute I averaged 20.6 in now-Dan's S420. Maybe I should put more air in the tires. WOW! I thought they get like 36+ mpg... (huge link to follow) http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=PowerSearchyear1=1990year2=2015minmsrpsel=0maxmsrpsel=0cbmkMercedes-Benz=Mercedes-BenzcbmcsmallCars=Small+CarscbmcfamilySedans=Family+SedanscbmcupscaleSedans=Upscale+SedanscbmcluxurySedans=Luxury+SedanscbmclargeSedans=Large+Sedanscbmchatchbacks=HatchbackscbmcCoupes=Coupescbmcconvertibles=ConvertiblescbmcSports_Sporty_Cars=Sports%2FSporty+Carscbftdiesel=Dieselcity=0combined=0highway=0mpgType=0minMPGSel=maxMPGSel=YearSel=1990-2015MakeSel=Mercedes-BenzMarClassSel=Small+Cars%2C+Family+Sedans%2C+Upscale+Sedans%2C+Luxury+Sedans%2C+Large+Sedans%2C+Hatchbacks%2C+Coupes%2C+Convertibles%2C+Sports%2FSporty+CarsFuelTypeSel=DieselVehTypeSel=TranySel=DriveTypeSel=CylindersSel=MpgSel=000sortBy=CombUnits=url=SearchServletopt=newminmsrp=0maxmsrp=0minmpg=0maxmpg=0rowLimit=10 smh, Rick Who is surprised the government site is accurate... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yeah but they have those goofy brakes and besides, I couldn't find any that didn't have a zillion miles and spotty service history. The Bluetec only had 36k miles on it, and all records from the dealer. The V6 is more complicated but doesn't seem to be less reliable. Tom On Jan 3, 2015 6:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable than the v6 blue tec ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I had one of those engines in my GL and did not have problems I was told by a reliable mb guy they are disposable. They are not built as well as the old straight 6 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah but they have those goofy brakes and besides, I couldn't find any that didn't have a zillion miles and spotty service history. The Bluetec only had 36k miles on it, and all records from the dealer. The V6 is more complicated but doesn't seem to be less reliable. Tom On Jan 3, 2015 6:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable than the v6 blue tec ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Jan 3, 2015 6:45 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is fuel price the only reason you choose to drive a diesel? For me it's not. I choose diesel engines for a lot of other reasons, so now that gasoline is cheap (for a while) I loose one of the lesser benefits. Modern diesels have a different set of benefits than the older stuff. They aren't anywhere near as simple. They won't run without electricity or survive an EMP. You can't fix them with golf tees or pour cooking oil in the tank as a party trick. They aren't drop dead reliable compared to their contemporaries, as compared to, say, a W123 vs something with D-jet and a distributor. They will not serve as taxis in Senegal thirty years from now. The new stuff is all about efficiency, range, and torque. Torque is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. I also appreciate the unique technical aspects compared to every other silver E class out there. It is still less expensive to operate than a gas E320 and I really like the car so I'm not complaining, but the advantage is smaller than it was a few months ago. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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yeah, that worked for me on the Fuel Sender unit (eventually), but i hope Andrew has it in his garage! isn't a long-term strategy for me for a vehicle i need in regular use.;-) cheers! e On 03/Jan/15 12:50, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey, all you W123 people whining about parts that are NLA. Please SHARE the specifics inasmuch as I have a ton of spare parts cluttering up my garage. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That was always the big claim to fame with mb was you could get parts for any car even back to the 40s and 50s. Not anymore. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little parts becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel MBZs was because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running trim for so long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case. we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to rethink it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too. are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s? cheers! e On 03/Jan/15 11:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would rather have a nice W126, too. Gasser or diesel. That's not to say this isn't a nice W123. W140s have spoiled me. I want a land yacht sedan. W126 or W140, either way, something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my living room while I drive Dan On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too. Jaime On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the 350SDL with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by procrastinating coupla days too long. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a subscriber to this list. On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:26 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll bet he gets his price, and further it won't be a subscriber of this list... Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___
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That's what i hope to find in a couple years. Meanwhile My 124 2.5t runs like new gets 29mpg. On Jan 3, 2015 7:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable than the v6 blue tec Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Tom Savage via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Jan 3, 2015 5:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser. I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like the car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it will be a while before I get to feel clever again. On my easy highway commute I averaged 20.6 in now-Dan's S420. Maybe I should put more air in the tires. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
