Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-20 Thread Darren Marshall via Mercedes
77 240d, not sure if it's the same mechanism... but the way you describe it
sounds the same.

There is a slightly hooked spring loaded latch that attaches to the handle.
Release the hood lever thing from inside, then wrap the wire around the
latch and pull forward the same way you would pull the handle.



On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Darren, which car?  Does hood latch mean the handle that pops out of the
 grill after the inside hood release is pulled?

 Running a piece of wire around the base of the lever may allow Larry to
 release the hood by pulling the wire toward the passenger side of the car.
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300

 On July 19, 2015 2:57:00 PM EDT, Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Once macgyvered some wire around the hood latch through the grill
 insert after busting the latch pull. Or maybe I pryed with a long
 screwdriver. Whatever. It was possible to do without damaging/removing
 anything.
 
 Darren
 

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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-20 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
If the cable is broken it'd become a 2 step process, you'd need to release the 
part the cable should release which I think could be done with a long thin 
screwdriver. Once thats done the other step is easy.
If the grill were busted out it'd be very easy to release with a thin 
screwdriver or take a 10mm wrench and undo the bolts that hold the striker 
plate into the hood.
-Curt
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work
   
77 240d, not sure if it's the same mechanism... but the way you describe it
sounds the same.

There is a slightly hooked spring loaded latch that attaches to the handle.
Release the hood lever thing from inside, then wrap the wire around the
latch and pull forward the same way you would pull the handle.



On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Darren, which car?  Does hood latch mean the handle that pops out of the
 grill after the inside hood release is pulled?

 Running a piece of wire around the base of the lever may allow Larry to
 release the hood by pulling the wire toward the passenger side of the car.
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300

 On July 19, 2015 2:57:00 PM EDT, Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Once macgyvered some wire around the hood latch through the grill
 insert after busting the latch pull. Or maybe I pryed with a long
 screwdriver. Whatever. It was possible to do without damaging/removing
 anything.
 
 Darren
 

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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-19 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Darren, which car?  Does hood latch mean the handle that pops out of the grill 
after the inside hood release is pulled?

Running a piece of wire around the base of the lever may allow Larry to release 
the hood by pulling the wire toward the passenger side of the car.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 19, 2015 2:57:00 PM EDT, Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Once macgyvered some wire around the hood latch through the grill
insert after busting the latch pull. Or maybe I pryed with a long
screwdriver. Whatever. It was possible to do without damaging/removing
anything.

Darren


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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-19 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
I bought a grill insert with the chrome surround and star on ebay. Now, 
when it arrives, I can go through the egg crate and find a way to 
release the hood.


Thanks again for all the help.

LarryT
91 300D

On 7/15/2015 12:23 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:



On July 15, 2015 at 10:48 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:


Worst-case scenario: source a new plastic grill insert, and
bash the old one out with a hammer.  Then you can reach in with
a screwdriver and lever it open.  Then fix it, before putting
in the new grille.

That reminds me, I haven't had the hood open on my S210 since January.
I could do as Jim suggests, but with a 210 it would cost me a grill insert,
A/C condenser, and radiator at the minimum. If I could get the headlight out
I think it would be easy. Crawling under with a flashlight, I just can't seem
to get a straight shot at the latch from below.

Right before the failure, I took both latches out and cleaned/lubed them so they
would actually latch. I suspect the cable fell out of the left one after I put
it
back together.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-19 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
On the 110/111 i could release the hood from underneath with a stick. 
Never had to try this on a 123/124/126 so don't know if it can work.



I bought a grill insert with the chrome surround and star on ebay. 
Now, when it arrives, I can go through the egg crate and find a way 
to release the hood.


Thanks again for all the help.

LarryT
91 300D


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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-19 Thread Darren Marshall via Mercedes
Once macgyvered some wire around the hood latch through the grill insert after 
busting the latch pull. Or maybe I pryed with a long screwdriver. Whatever. It 
was possible to do without damaging/removing anything.

Darren

 On Jul 19, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I am sure the stealer has a way to get in without bashing the grill. May be 
 worth some calls, long term stealers who sold 124s may have the knowledge.  
 most don't retain employees that long, and are therefor useless.  Nothing in 
 the CDs?
 
 
 Larry,
 
 I'm skeptical that you can get it open going through the grill, I'm going
 to take a look at my '95 and see what it looks like.  I remember examining
 the mechanism and thinking that it would be quite difficult to defeat.  I
 think that all of the cable/lever part is inside a metal box with no access.
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-19 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

With great care and a stout jeweler's screwdriver you can
pop the hood on a 107, no damage.  The PO did this on our
for-sale SL.  Took him quite awhile.  My first act was to
hook a coathanger wire to the release lever.  Having that
big semi-open circle in the middle was key, I believe.

Eventually I replaced the broken release cable.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-19 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I am sure the stealer has a way to get in without bashing the grill. 
May be worth some calls, long term stealers who sold 124s may have 
the knowledge.  most don't retain employees that long, and are 
therefor useless.  Nothing in the CDs?




Larry,

I'm skeptical that you can get it open going through the grill, I'm going
to take a look at my '95 and see what it looks like.  I remember examining
the mechanism and thinking that it would be quite difficult to defeat.  I
think that all of the cable/lever part is inside a metal box with no access.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-19 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Larry,

I'm skeptical that you can get it open going through the grill, I'm going
to take a look at my '95 and see what it looks like.  I remember examining
the mechanism and thinking that it would be quite difficult to defeat.  I
think that all of the cable/lever part is inside a metal box with no access.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-19 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I don't see how the hood can be opened via the grill without
drilling/cutting/removing more metal that protects the hood latch.  I'd say
your best bet is to get at the end of the cable under the dash, grab with a
vice grips or similar, and pop the hood that way, and then replace the
failed part immediately once you get it open.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Uh oh

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Worse case scenario is you find out after the fact that a replacement
 grille insert is NLA.  LOL


 I worded my instructions _very_ carefully!

 Cut the green wire.

 After cutting the red wire.

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-15 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Worse case scenario is you find out after the fact that a replacement 
grille insert is NLA.  LOL


I worded my instructions _very_ carefully!

Cut the green wire.

After cutting the red wire.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I had this issue with a 123 and found I could remove the lock plate from the 
hood from underneath. Took some gyrations but was do-able. I suspect on a 124 
it'd be harder...
-Curt
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Cc: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work
   


 On July 15, 2015 at 10:48 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 
 Worst-case scenario: source a new plastic grill insert, and
 bash the old one out with a hammer.  Then you can reach in with
 a screwdriver and lever it open.  Then fix it, before putting
 in the new grille.

That reminds me, I haven't had the hood open on my S210 since January. 
I could do as Jim suggests, but with a 210 it would cost me a grill insert,
A/C condenser, and radiator at the minimum. If I could get the headlight out
I think it would be easy. Crawling under with a flashlight, I just can't seem 
to get a straight shot at the latch from below. 

Right before the failure, I took both latches out and cleaned/lubed them so they
would actually latch. I suspect the cable fell out of the left one after I put
it
back together. 

Mitch. 



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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-15 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
my 91 300D still has a hood release that will not do anything.   The 
lever is attached to the lower dash next to the A Pillar.   I have 
pulled, pushed and cursed at it will equal results.  Nothing budges.   
Efforts to move the hood itself are just as frustrating. Neither side of 
the hood will lift even a little and the grill section does not budge at 
all.  Efforts to push down also failed. The hood does not move in any 
direction - I put much of my 230#'s on each side and nothing seemed to move.


That latch mechanism seems completely frozen.   There was no inkling of 
a problem in the past - I changed the fog light bulb approx 5 days ago 
and everything operated normally.


If I remove the lower engine cover will I be able to release the hood 
from below?  I don't recall seeing the latch last time I was under the 
front end.


If all my efforts fail, would this be a job for a Indy or should I bite 
the bullet and take it to a dealer?


Thanks -
Larry
91 300D
78 240d
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-15 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I had a similar problem on the 300Sd that the hood would not latch down 
on one side.  Thought something in there was buggered or out of 
adjustment or whatever.  Took things apart, adjusted, etc. to no avail.  
finally sprayed lot of PB on the latch, the cable, and anything else 
that did/didn't move, and finally it was working fine.  I guess it was 
just hanging up.  Might be a similar issue with this situation.


--R



On 7/15/15 7:33 AM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote:
my 91 300D still has a hood release that will not do anything.   The 
lever is attached to the lower dash next to the A Pillar.   I have 
pulled, pushed and cursed at it will equal results.  Nothing budges.   
Efforts to move the hood itself are just as frustrating. Neither side 
of the hood will lift even a little and the grill section does not 
budge at all.  Efforts to push down also failed. The hood does not 
move in any direction - I put much of my 230#'s on each side and 
nothing seemed to move.


That latch mechanism seems completely frozen.   There was no inkling 
of a problem in the past - I changed the fog light bulb approx 5 days 
ago and everything operated normally.


If I remove the lower engine cover will I be able to release the hood 
from below?  I don't recall seeing the latch last time I was under the 
front end.


If all my efforts fail, would this be a job for a Indy or should I 
bite the bullet and take it to a dealer?


Thanks -
Larry
91 300D
78 240d
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-15 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I have found in some cases that if the cable jacket can move around there's too 
much slack in the cable, preventing it from being pulled in enough to release 
the latch. The S500 did this with the passenger side hood latch - the other 
latch would release but this side wouldn't - preventing you from opening the 
hood.

I tie wrapped the cable to a spot on the radiator support and it's been fine 
ever since.

Dan 

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 On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I had a similar problem on the 300Sd that the hood would not latch down on 
 one side.  Thought something in there was buggered or out of adjustment or 
 whatever.  Took things apart, adjusted, etc. to no avail.  finally sprayed 
 lot of PB on the latch, the cable, and anything else that did/didn't move, 
 and finally it was working fine.  I guess it was just hanging up.  Might be a 
 similar issue with this situation.
 
 --R
 
 
 
 On 7/15/15 7:33 AM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote:
 my 91 300D still has a hood release that will not do anything.   The lever 
 is attached to the lower dash next to the A Pillar.   I have pulled, pushed 
 and cursed at it will equal results.  Nothing budges.   Efforts to move the 
 hood itself are just as frustrating. Neither side of the hood will lift even 
 a little and the grill section does not budge at all.  Efforts to push down 
 also failed. The hood does not move in any direction - I put much of my 
 230#'s on each side and nothing seemed to move.
 
 That latch mechanism seems completely frozen.   There was no inkling of a 
 problem in the past - I changed the fog light bulb approx 5 days ago and 
 everything operated normally.
 
 If I remove the lower engine cover will I be able to release the hood from 
 below?  I don't recall seeing the latch last time I was under the front end.
 
 If all my efforts fail, would this be a job for a Indy or should I bite the 
 bullet and take it to a dealer?
 
 Thanks -
 Larry
 91 300D
 78 240d
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Worse case scenario is you find out after the fact that a replacement
grille insert is NLA.  LOL

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Worst-case scenario: source a new plastic grill insert, and
 bash the old one out with a hammer.  Then you can reach in with
 a screwdriver and lever it open.  Then fix it, before putting
 in the new grille.

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-15 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Worst-case scenario: source a new plastic grill insert, and
bash the old one out with a hammer.  Then you can reach in with
a screwdriver and lever it open.  Then fix it, before putting
in the new grille.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] W124 Hood Release will not work

2015-07-15 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On July 15, 2015 at 10:48 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 
 Worst-case scenario: source a new plastic grill insert, and
 bash the old one out with a hammer.  Then you can reach in with
 a screwdriver and lever it open.  Then fix it, before putting
 in the new grille.

That reminds me, I haven't had the hood open on my S210 since January. 
I could do as Jim suggests, but with a 210 it would cost me a grill insert,
A/C condenser, and radiator at the minimum. If I could get the headlight out
I think it would be easy. Crawling under with a flashlight, I just can't seem 
to get a straight shot at the latch from below. 

Right before the failure, I took both latches out and cleaned/lubed them so they
would actually latch. I suspect the cable fell out of the left one after I put
it
back together. 

Mitch. 

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