Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

My dad had 23-26 dodges.  He chopped the frame, extended it and made 
them into trucks, all without a welder.  He had a chisel that looked 
like a hammer that was used to cut the frame rivets.  He sold the last 
~24 dodge truck in the early 80s.



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Oilfield Dodge, also.
thanks to Grant http://www.tvraaca.org/oilfielddodge1920i.htm
mao

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I don't believe there are any "cheats" to get around this system. It's 
pretty much baked in to a number of different things.


Jaime might have some insight into this, as his stuff has to play nice 
with it, I believe.


Again, roll out the W123/W126 and earlier. Maybe the W124s, too. 
Nothing you can't get around in these


Dan

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This is what I like about driving the people's car. When the security 
stuff like that fails the aftermarket figures out a way to defeat it. 
If you buy a tune for your car the immobilizer defeat is usually 
thrown in for free. Since the TDI engines get transplanted into a lot 
of things defeating the electronic nannys is kind of important.

-Curt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

Crap.

Bob R
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Crap.

Bob R
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One of the reasons I bailed from my W220. If any part of the DAS 
fails, you're pretty much screwed, as the fix requires replacing 
everything in the system unless you have access to a Xentry system, 
and in some cases not even that. Pretty much a $tealership only repair.


Gawd I love my W126 more every day. This kind of stuff reinforces my 
choice to revert back to simple stuff.


Dan



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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

So, assuming this would actually work, what would be necessary to run 
it?  I recall some discussion of a very specific laptop model for 
reasons I never was clear about.


http://www.mbstarshop.com/service/mercedes-xentry-das-201512-torrent-free-download-10132.html

???

--JC


On 6/14/16 3:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I can't comment on your car specifically, as I'm not familiar with the 
capabilities of the Xentry system relative to your model, but I would expect 
that any stored faults will show up, and in doing so, will point at the source 
of the issue.

The Xentry system does a good job of getting into the weeds on the later 
models, and just running a full set of diagnostics can yield lots of good 
information.

Kaleb has more experience with the system on pre-2000 MY cars than I do, so 
maybe he'll pop in and offer his insight.

Or he will offer you $500 to take the car off your hands since it's now junk.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

maybe


On 6/14/2016 1:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

So what I'm reading is my indy can hook it up and be able to determine if
it's the coil in yhe ignition,  the key, or the DAS?

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 11:43 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Yes

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Is that the fancy laptop that my indy hooks up to my cars?

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 11:29 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <

mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:


Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
purchase?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.

So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new

key?

What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I can't comment on your car specifically, as I'm not familiar with the 
capabilities of the Xentry system relative to your model, but I would expect 
that any stored faults will show up, and in doing so, will point at the source 
of the issue.

The Xentry system does a good job of getting into the weeds on the later 
models, and just running a full set of diagnostics can yield lots of good 
information.

Kaleb has more experience with the system on pre-2000 MY cars than I do, so 
maybe he'll pop in and offer his insight.

Or he will offer you $500 to take the car off your hands since it's now junk.

Dan

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So what I'm reading is my indy can hook it up and be able to determine if
> it's the coil in yhe ignition,  the key, or the DAS?
> 
> Bob R
> On Jun 14, 2016 11:43 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is that the fancy laptop that my indy hooks up to my cars?
>>> 
>>> Bob R
>>> On Jun 14, 2016 11:29 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
 purchase?
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
 
 On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
> 
> So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new
 key?
> 
> What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
> where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
> 
> Dan


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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

So what I'm reading is my indy can hook it up and be able to determine if
it's the coil in yhe ignition,  the key, or the DAS?

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 11:43 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is that the fancy laptop that my indy hooks up to my cars?
> >
> > Bob R
> > On Jun 14, 2016 11:29 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
> >> purchase?
> >>
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
> >>>
> >>> So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new
> >> key?
> >>>
> >>> What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
> >>> where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
> >>>
> >>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Is that the fancy laptop that my indy hooks up to my cars?
> 
> Bob R
> On Jun 14, 2016 11:29 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
>> purchase?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
>>> 
>>> So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new
>> key?
>>> 
>>> What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
>>> where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
>>> 
>>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yup.

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Is that the fancy laptop that my indy hooks up to my cars?
> 
> Bob R
> On Jun 14, 2016 11:29 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
>> purchase?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
>>> 
>>> So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new
>> key?
>>> 
>>> What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
>>> where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Boatloads of them, all Chinee knockoffs, readily available.

You can get complete systems with a laptop for $500-$600, and with just a USB 
hard drive and the cables and mux for around $300, I think.

You can't do squat on later model cars without one.

Dan

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
> purchase?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
>> 
>> So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new key?
>> 
>> What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
>> where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Is that the fancy laptop that my indy hooks up to my cars?

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 11:29 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
> purchase?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
> >
> > So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new
> key?
> >
> > What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
> > where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
purchase?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
>
> So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new key?
>
> What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
> where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
>
> Dan
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Dunno...I should ask.

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 11:06 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
>
> So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new key?
>
> What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
> where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
>
> Dan
>
> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The dealer said they empirically,  85% of the time it's the key, 12% of
> the
> > time it's the coil in the ignition switch, and 3% of the time is a gross
> > DAS failure. New key is $308 from said dealer. I reckon that is where I
> > will start.
> >
> > Bob R
> > On Jun 14, 2016 7:49 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't believe there are any "cheats" to get around this system. It's
> >> pretty much baked in to a number of different things.
> >>
> >> Jaime might have some insight into this, as his stuff has to play nice
> >> with it, I believe.
> >>
> >> Again, roll out the W123/W126 and earlier. Maybe the W124s, too. Nothing
> >> you can't get around in these
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is what I like about driving the people's car. When the security
> >> stuff like that fails the aftermarket figures out a way to defeat it. If
> >> you buy a tune for your car the immobilizer defeat is usually thrown in
> for
> >> free. Since the TDI engines get transplanted into a lot of things
> defeating
> >> the electronic nannys is kind of important.
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
> >>> From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:30 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition
> >>>
> >>> Crap.
> >>>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.

So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new key?

What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm where the 
problem is before throwing (your) money at it?

Dan

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The dealer said they empirically,  85% of the time it's the key, 12% of the
> time it's the coil in the ignition switch, and 3% of the time is a gross
> DAS failure. New key is $308 from said dealer. I reckon that is where I
> will start.
> 
> Bob R
> On Jun 14, 2016 7:49 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I don't believe there are any "cheats" to get around this system. It's
>> pretty much baked in to a number of different things.
>> 
>> Jaime might have some insight into this, as his stuff has to play nice
>> with it, I believe.
>> 
>> Again, roll out the W123/W126 and earlier. Maybe the W124s, too. Nothing
>> you can't get around in these
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is what I like about driving the people's car. When the security
>> stuff like that fails the aftermarket figures out a way to defeat it. If
>> you buy a tune for your car the immobilizer defeat is usually thrown in for
>> free. Since the TDI engines get transplanted into a lot of things defeating
>> the electronic nannys is kind of important.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition
>>> 
>>> Crap.
>>> 


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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

The dealer said they empirically,  85% of the time it's the key, 12% of the
time it's the coil in the ignition switch, and 3% of the time is a gross
DAS failure. New key is $308 from said dealer. I reckon that is where I
will start.

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 7:49 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> I don't believe there are any "cheats" to get around this system. It's
> pretty much baked in to a number of different things.
>
> Jaime might have some insight into this, as his stuff has to play nice
> with it, I believe.
>
> Again, roll out the W123/W126 and earlier. Maybe the W124s, too. Nothing
> you can't get around in these
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is what I like about driving the people's car. When the security
> stuff like that fails the aftermarket figures out a way to defeat it. If
> you buy a tune for your car the immobilizer defeat is usually thrown in for
> free. Since the TDI engines get transplanted into a lot of things defeating
> the electronic nannys is kind of important.
> > -Curt
> >
> >  From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition
> >
> > Crap.
> >
> > Bob R
> > On Jun 14, 2016 6:11 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> One of the reasons I bailed from my W220. If any part of the DAS fails,
> >> you're pretty much screwed, as the fix requires replacing everything in
> the
> >> system unless you have access to a Xentry system, and in some cases not
> >> even that.  Pretty much a $tealership only repair.
> >>
> >> Gawd I love my W126 more every day. This kind of stuff reinforces my
> >> choice to revert back to simple stuff.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Probably so
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Well that sounds expensive
> >>>> On Jun 13, 2016 8:50 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and
> recoded
> >> by
> >>>>> the dealer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 6/13/2016 10:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed
> with
> >>>>>> anything newer than a W123.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bob R
> >>>>>> On Jun 13, 2016 8:45 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> >>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The DAS is going bad
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> >>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and
> I
> >> turn
> >>>>>>>> the fob, no think happens. I then reperform the sequence and she
> >> starts.
> >>>>>>>> Tonight it bal
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

+1

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good luck with that
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So there IS a way out for Bob:  "go to the knackers and get all of the 
>> modules out of one car so they're matched."
>> 
>>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>> June 14, 2016 at 9:29 AMvia Postbox 
>>> 
>>> Nope. The DAS system incorporates the operation of a bunch of different 
>>> modules in the car, including the engine, transmission and security, if I 
>>> recall. There are three or four involved with this, so if one craps out ou 
>>> have to buy a new one and have the $tealer install and code it, or go to 
>>> the knackers and get all of the modules out of one car so they're matched.
>>> 
>>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

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Good luck with that

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So there IS a way out for Bob:  "go to the knackers and get all of the 
> modules out of one car so they're matched."
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> June 14, 2016 at 9:29 AMvia Postbox 
>> 
>> Nope. The DAS system incorporates the operation of a bunch of different 
>> modules in the car, including the engine, transmission and security, if I 
>> recall. There are three or four involved with this, so if one craps out ou 
>> have to buy a new one and have the $tealer install and code it, or go to the 
>> knackers and get all of the modules out of one car so they're matched.
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

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Dan wrote:
> Again, roll out the W123/W126 and earlier. Maybe the W124s, too. Nothing you 
> can't get around in these

Oilfield Dodge, also.
thanks to Grant http://www.tvraaca.org/oilfielddodge1920i.htm
mao

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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Now you're singin' my song!

I had to take in the dogde van in for a recall to replace the fobik.  I 
figgered that was a cheep way to get a couple new fobik "keys"  The new 
fobik screwed up several other things.  So while I got "keys" with 0 on 
the counters, there were tradeoffs that were negative.


I will probably keep a newish fobik van, but I am keeping everything 
else in the 123,124, 126 classes.  If it gets to where I can't get 
enough parts to keep em running for reasonable prices, then the next 
best thing is to move to a small town or neighborhood where you can walk 
to get what you need, or drive an antique tractor to the store.  I am 
looking for a magneto for the tractor for further independence.


They are now braggin that the new stuff will record your location, speed 
and actions for all time.  SO the popos will be doing data mining to 
turn up ways to give you more "revenue enhancement" options AFTER the 
fact.  As soon as they tie the clock to stoplight functions, they will 
no longer "need" red light cameras to send you after the fact tickets.  
They will simply let the computers match your location to the red lights 
and ship off to you an opportunity to enhance their revenue.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 9:49 AMvia Postbox 

I don't believe there are any "cheats" to get around this system. It's 
pretty much baked in to a number of different things.


Jaime might have some insight into this, as his stuff has to play nice 
with it, I believe.


Again, roll out the W123/W126 and earlier. Maybe the W124s, too. 
Nothing you can't get around in these


Dan


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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

do these fobik systems have a real ignition switch behind them like a 
key switch?  If so, you could chop (dremel) off the fobik stuff and 
maybe turn the switch with a screwdriver like on a 124. (after you take 
out the lock)



Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 9:47 AMvia Postbox 


I reckon I better get diggin'.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don't believe there are any "cheats" to get around this system. It's pretty 
much baked in to a number of different things.

Jaime might have some insight into this, as his stuff has to play nice with it, 
I believe.

Again, roll out the W123/W126 and earlier. Maybe the W124s, too. Nothing you 
can't get around in these

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> This is what I like about driving the people's car. When the security stuff 
> like that fails the aftermarket figures out a way to defeat it. If you buy a 
> tune for your car the immobilizer defeat is usually thrown in for free. Since 
> the TDI engines get transplanted into a lot of things defeating the 
> electronic nannys is kind of important.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition
> 
> Crap.
> 
> Bob R
> On Jun 14, 2016 6:11 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> One of the reasons I bailed from my W220. If any part of the DAS fails,
>> you're pretty much screwed, as the fix requires replacing everything in the
>> system unless you have access to a Xentry system, and in some cases not
>> even that.  Pretty much a $tealership only repair.
>> 
>> Gawd I love my W126 more every day. This kind of stuff reinforces my
>> choice to revert back to simple stuff.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Probably so
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well that sounds expensive
>>>> On Jun 13, 2016 8:50 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and recoded
>> by
>>>>> the dealer.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/13/2016 10:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed with
>>>>>> anything newer than a W123.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob R
>>>>>> On Jun 13, 2016 8:45 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The DAS is going bad
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and I
>> turn
>>>>>>>> the fob, no think happens. I then reperform the sequence and she
>> starts.
>>>>>>>> Tonight it bal


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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

There has to be a wiring diagram around somewhere.  I am sure in LA or 
dallas and probably in phoenix there are illegals who know how to beat 
the system.  How else can they steal cars?



Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 9:31 AMvia Postbox 


Again, crap.

Bob R
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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 9:29 AMvia Postbox 

Nope. The DAS system incorporates the operation of a bunch of 
different modules in the car, including the engine, transmission and 
security, if I recall. There are three or four involved with this, so 
if one craps out ou have to buy a new one and have the $tealer install 
and code it, or go to the knackers and get all of the modules out of 
one car so they're matched.


Dan

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Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
June 13, 2016 at 10:47 PMvia Postbox 


DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed with
anything newer than a W123.

Bob R
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Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
June 13, 2016 at 9:56 PMvia Postbox 


On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and I turn
the fob, no think happens. I then reperform the sequence and she starts.
Tonight it balked twice before starting.
How to these fob things fail?

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I reckon I better get diggin'.

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 7:46 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I believe so, yes.  I just know that this was the available approaches for
> the W220 with similar issues.
>
> If he digs around in the BenzWorld forum for this model he should be able
> to identify his options.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > So there IS a way out for Bob:  "go to the knackers and get all of the
> modules out of one car so they're matched."
> >
> >> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >> June 14, 2016 at 9:29 AMvia Postbox <
> https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=email_medium=sumlink_campaign=reach
> >
> >> Nope. The DAS system incorporates the operation of a bunch of different
> modules in the car, including the engine, transmission and security, if I
> recall. There are three or four involved with this, so if one craps out ou
> have to buy a new one and have the $tealer install and code it, or go to
> the knackers and get all of the modules out of one car so they're matched.
> >>
> >> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I believe so, yes.  I just know that this was the available approaches for the 
W220 with similar issues.

If he digs around in the BenzWorld forum for this model he should be able to 
identify his options.

Dan

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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So there IS a way out for Bob:  "go to the knackers and get all of the 
> modules out of one car so they're matched."
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> June 14, 2016 at 9:29 AMvia Postbox 
>> 
>> Nope. The DAS system incorporates the operation of a bunch of different 
>> modules in the car, including the engine, transmission and security, if I 
>> recall. There are three or four involved with this, so if one craps out ou 
>> have to buy a new one and have the $tealer install and code it, or go to the 
>> knackers and get all of the modules out of one car so they're matched.
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

This is what I like about driving the people's car. When the security stuff 
like that fails the aftermarket figures out a way to defeat it. If you buy a 
tune for your car the immobilizer defeat is usually thrown in for free. Since 
the TDI engines get transplanted into a lot of things defeating the electronic 
nannys is kind of important.
-Curt

  From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition
   
Crap.

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 6:11 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> One of the reasons I bailed from my W220. If any part of the DAS fails,
> you're pretty much screwed, as the fix requires replacing everything in the
> system unless you have access to a Xentry system, and in some cases not
> even that.  Pretty much a $tealership only repair.
>
> Gawd I love my W126 more every day. This kind of stuff reinforces my
> choice to revert back to simple stuff.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Probably so
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well that sounds expensive
> >> On Jun 13, 2016 8:50 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and recoded
> by
> >>> the dealer.
> >>>
> >>>> On 6/13/2016 10:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed with
> >>>> anything newer than a W123.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob R
> >>>> On Jun 13, 2016 8:45 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The DAS is going bad
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and I
> turn
> >>>>>> the fob, no think happens. I then reperform the sequence and she
> starts.
> >>>>>> Tonight it balked twice before starting.
> >>>>>> How to these fob things fail?
> >>>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

So there IS a way out for Bob:  "go to the knackers and get all of the 
modules out of one car so they're matched."



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 9:29 AMvia Postbox 

Nope. The DAS system incorporates the operation of a bunch of 
different modules in the car, including the engine, transmission and 
security, if I recall. There are three or four involved with this, so 
if one craps out ou have to buy a new one and have the $tealer install 
and code it, or go to the knackers and get all of the modules out of 
one car so they're matched.


Dan


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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Again, crap.

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 7:29 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Nope. The DAS system incorporates the operation of a bunch of different
> modules in the car, including the engine, transmission and security, if I
> recall. There are three or four involved with this, so if one craps out ou
> have to buy a new one and have the $tealer install and code it, or go to
> the knackers and get all of the modules out of one car so they're matched.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >> June 13, 2016 at 10:50 PMvia Postbox <
> https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=email_medium=sumlink_campaign=reach
> >
> >> Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and recoded
> by the dealer.
> > Great idea!  Lets replace a $2 key with a $2000 computer that the
> stealer will charge $2000 or $3000 to install and program.
> >
> > So the real question is: is it possible to replace the "Das ripoff" with
> a key switch?Or, is it set up so it has to give some thing other than a
> powered wire to the ign computer so you can't get the car to run without
> it?  (Square wave, variable pulse etc.)
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nope. The DAS system incorporates the operation of a bunch of different modules 
in the car, including the engine, transmission and security, if I recall. There 
are three or four involved with this, so if one craps out ou have to buy a new 
one and have the $tealer install and code it, or go to the knackers and get all 
of the modules out of one car so they're matched.

Dan

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> 
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> June 13, 2016 at 10:50 PMvia Postbox 
>> 
>> Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and recoded by 
>> the dealer.
> Great idea!  Lets replace a $2 key with a $2000 computer that the stealer 
> will charge $2000 or $3000 to install and program.
> 
> So the real question is: is it possible to replace the "Das ripoff" with a 
> key switch?Or, is it set up so it has to give some thing other than a 
> powered wire to the ign computer so you can't get the car to run without it?  
> (Square wave, variable pulse etc.)
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

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Nope

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> 
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> June 13, 2016 at 10:50 PMvia Postbox 
>> 
>> Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and recoded by 
>> the dealer.
> Great idea!  Lets replace a $2 key with a $2000 computer that the stealer 
> will charge $2000 or $3000 to install and program.
> 
> So the real question is: is it possible to replace the "Das ripoff" with a 
> key switch?Or, is it set up so it has to give some thing other than a 
> powered wire to the ign computer so you can't get the car to run without it?  
> (Square wave, variable pulse etc.)
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

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June 13, 2016 at 10:50 PMvia Postbox 

Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and recoded 
by the dealer.
Great idea!  Lets replace a $2 key with a $2000 computer that the 
stealer will charge $2000 or $3000 to install and program.


So the real question is: is it possible to replace the "Das ripoff" with 
a key switch?Or, is it set up so it has to give some thing other 
than a powered wire to the ign computer so you can't get the car to run 
without it?  (Square wave, variable pulse etc.)

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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

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Maybe I need to come to az

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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:30 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Crap.
> 
> Bob R
> On Jun 14, 2016 6:11 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> One of the reasons I bailed from my W220. If any part of the DAS fails,
>> you're pretty much screwed, as the fix requires replacing everything in the
>> system unless you have access to a Xentry system, and in some cases not
>> even that.  Pretty much a $tealership only repair.
>> 
>> Gawd I love my W126 more every day. This kind of stuff reinforces my
>> choice to revert back to simple stuff.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Probably so
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Well that sounds expensive
 On Jun 13, 2016 8:50 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and recoded
>> by
> the dealer.
> 
>> On 6/13/2016 10:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed with
>> anything newer than a W123.
>> 
>> Bob R
>> On Jun 13, 2016 8:45 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The DAS is going bad
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and I
>> turn
 the fob, no think happens. I then reperform the sequence and she
>> starts.
 Tonight it balked twice before starting.
 How to these fob things fail?
 
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

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Crap.

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 6:11 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> One of the reasons I bailed from my W220. If any part of the DAS fails,
> you're pretty much screwed, as the fix requires replacing everything in the
> system unless you have access to a Xentry system, and in some cases not
> even that.  Pretty much a $tealership only repair.
>
> Gawd I love my W126 more every day. This kind of stuff reinforces my
> choice to revert back to simple stuff.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Probably so
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well that sounds expensive
> >> On Jun 13, 2016 8:50 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and recoded
> by
> >>> the dealer.
> >>>
>  On 6/13/2016 10:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>  DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed with
>  anything newer than a W123.
> 
>  Bob R
>  On Jun 13, 2016 8:45 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  The DAS is going bad
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and I
> turn
> >> the fob, no think happens. I then reperform the sequence and she
> starts.
> >> Tonight it balked twice before starting.
> >> How to these fob things fail?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

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One of the reasons I bailed from my W220. If any part of the DAS fails, you're 
pretty much screwed, as the fix requires replacing everything in the system 
unless you have access to a Xentry system, and in some cases not even that.  
Pretty much a $tealership only repair.

Gawd I love my W126 more every day. This kind of stuff reinforces my choice to 
revert back to simple stuff.

Dan



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> Probably so
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well that sounds expensive
>> On Jun 13, 2016 8:50 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and recoded by
>>> the dealer.
>>> 
 On 6/13/2016 10:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
 
 DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed with
 anything newer than a W123.
 
 Bob R
 On Jun 13, 2016 8:45 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 The DAS is going bad
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and I turn
>> the fob, no think happens. I then reperform the sequence and she starts.
>> Tonight it balked twice before starting.
>> How to these fob things fail?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

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Probably so

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> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> 
> Well that sounds expensive
> On Jun 13, 2016 8:50 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and recoded by
>> the dealer.
>> 
>>> On 6/13/2016 10:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed with
>>> anything newer than a W123.
>>> 
>>> Bob R
>>> On Jun 13, 2016 8:45 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The DAS is going bad
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and I turn
> the fob, no think happens. I then reperform the sequence and she starts.
> Tonight it balked twice before starting.
> How to these fob things fail?
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

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Well that sounds expensive
On Jun 13, 2016 8:50 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and recoded by
> the dealer.
>
> On 6/13/2016 10:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed with
>> anything newer than a W123.
>>
>> Bob R
>> On Jun 13, 2016 8:45 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> The DAS is going bad
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <

>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and I turn
 the fob, no think happens. I then reperform the sequence and she starts.
 Tonight it balked twice before starting.
 How to these fob things fail?

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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

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Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and recoded 
by the dealer.


On 6/13/2016 10:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed with
anything newer than a W123.

Bob R
On Jun 13, 2016 8:45 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The DAS is going bad

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and I turn
the fob, no think happens. I then reperform the sequence and she starts.
Tonight it balked twice before starting.
How to these fob things fail?

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

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DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed with
anything newer than a W123.

Bob R
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> The DAS is going bad
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> > On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and I turn
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

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The DAS is going bad

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> Tonight it balked twice before starting.
> How to these fob things fail?
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