Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
New subframe mounts. New Bilsteins will help some. I still remember the change new Bilsteins made in my 200D years ago. On 110/111 I could tell by driving them if they had Bilsteins or junk (anything else) The gas pressure in the shock does exert upward pressure on each mounting point. At 09:20 PM 2/26/2006, you wrote: yea, but it needs shocks, it rides about like a buick. Kevin wrote: On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 08:22:03AM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: no bodies etc. Its a 420 so no SLS. It has always been my thought that if its sagging its usually the subframe mounts etc but wondered if REALLY REALLY worn out shocks could also cause a sag. Is this regina's car that she thinks is a stellar example of what a car should be? K ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
Shocks dampen the re-bound of the springs, they don't hold anything up. Must be the springs ? On 2/25/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will really worn out shocks cause the rear end of a 126 to sag and have the wheels slightly tilted toward the center at the top(like when car pushed down) or should I look for something else? Shocks are REALLY bad on this car for starters. Has 160k miles. -- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
Im thinking subframe mounts. OK Don wrote: Shocks dampen the re-bound of the springs, they don't hold anything up. Must be the springs ? On 2/25/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will really worn out shocks cause the rear end of a 126 to sag and have the wheels slightly tilted toward the center at the top(like when car pushed down) or should I look for something else? Shocks are REALLY bad on this car for starters. Has 160k miles. -- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
Recently I replaced all four shocks on 300Se ; the car stands higher as compared to before 20mm or so The ride is taut and firm now as compard to the softy feel before, Mak Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: [MBZ] sagging rear 126 Will really worn out shocks cause the rear end of a 126 to sag and have the wheels slightly tilted toward the center at the top(like when car pushed down) or should I look for something else? Shocks are REALLY bad on this car for starters. Has 160k miles. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2/24/2006
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
Will really worn out shocks cause the rear end of a 126 to sag and have the wheels slightly tilted toward the center at the top(like when car pushed down) or should I look for something else? Shocks are REALLY bad on this car for starters. Has 160k miles. The MB shocks have very little spring action to them as compared to some other cars, and so aren't responsible for very much of the ride height. But the subframe mounts and spring pads are both rubber and can degrade and cause camber problems. (So also can wrecks, the cause of our SDL's original camber problem, though it didn't sag noticeably.) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
On Feb 26, 2006, at 12:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Will really worn out shocks cause the rear end of a 126 to sag and have the wheels slightly tilted toward the center at the top(like when car pushed down) or should I look for something else? Shocks are REALLY bad on this car for starters. Has 160k miles. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK Have you checked the trunk for dead bodies yet? Water in the spare well or lower 1/4 panels? Could be sub-frame mounts or spring rubbers. Springs rarely go bad but it is possible. Does it have SLS? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
My experience with several W126s has been that you can replace the shocks sub frame and diff monuts all you want and you'll only add a few mm to the ride height. If she is really ridin low in the rear look to springs pads or the spings themselves. A quicker cheaper but not so elegant way of dealing with it is to go to the local speed shop and get a mrgasket spring rubber for about $12.00. Cut it in half jack up the back and slap them in. Some times a little dish liquid helps. As a side note If you get the ride height right but the wheels still lean in, it could be a damaged lower control arm. I've had two that defied detection by inspection but were definitely out of shape yeilding bad rear camber. Bob DuPuy On 2/26/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 26, 2006, at 12:49 AM, M.Afzaal Khan wrote: Recently I replaced all four shocks on 300Se ; the car stands higher as compared to before 20mm or so The ride is taut and firm now as compard to the softy feel before, Mak The shocks would be gas charged, although I have not had this experience I suppose the gas pressure might hold it up a bit. Did you measure it after lowering and before rolling the car? This could yield false results. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
no bodies etc. Its a 420 so no SLS. It has always been my thought that if its sagging its usually the subframe mounts etc but wondered if REALLY REALLY worn out shocks could also cause a sag. John Berryman wrote: On Feb 26, 2006, at 12:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Will really worn out shocks cause the rear end of a 126 to sag and have the wheels slightly tilted toward the center at the top(like when car pushed down) or should I look for something else? Shocks are REALLY bad on this car for starters. Has 160k miles. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK Have you checked the trunk for dead bodies yet? Water in the spare well or lower 1/4 panels? Could be sub-frame mounts or spring rubbers. Springs rarely go bad but it is possible. Does it have SLS? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
Kaleb, You mean worn springs don't you? Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126 no bodies etc. Its a 420 so no SLS. It has always been my thought that if its sagging its usually the subframe mounts etc but wondered if REALLY REALLY worn out shocks could also cause a sag. John Berryman wrote: On Feb 26, 2006, at 12:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Will really worn out shocks cause the rear end of a 126 to sag and have the wheels slightly tilted toward the center at the top(like when car pushed down) or should I look for something else? Shocks are REALLY bad on this car for starters. Has 160k miles. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK Have you checked the trunk for dead bodies yet? Water in the spare well or lower 1/4 panels? Could be sub-frame mounts or spring rubbers. Springs rarely go bad but it is possible. Does it have SLS? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
no, I mean shocks. Trampas wrote: Kaleb, You mean worn springs don't you? Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126 no bodies etc. Its a 420 so no SLS. It has always been my thought that if its sagging its usually the subframe mounts etc but wondered if REALLY REALLY worn out shocks could also cause a sag. John Berryman wrote: On Feb 26, 2006, at 12:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Will really worn out shocks cause the rear end of a 126 to sag and have the wheels slightly tilted toward the center at the top(like when car pushed down) or should I look for something else? Shocks are REALLY bad on this car for starters. Has 160k miles. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK Have you checked the trunk for dead bodies yet? Water in the spare well or lower 1/4 panels? Could be sub-frame mounts or spring rubbers. Springs rarely go bad but it is possible. Does it have SLS? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
if its sagging its usually the subframe mounts etc but wondered if REALLY REALLY worn out shocks could also cause a sag. Well, I once removed the rear shocks entirely from the Chicken Wagon when chasing a mysterious rattle, and I don't recall that it sat any lower than normal. (Yes, it was the Kyb shocks that were rattling.) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
No. take them out and see if there's a difference. Do the same on a car with good shocks. See if there's any difference. I don't think there will be. On 2/26/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, I mean shocks. Trampas wrote: Kaleb, You mean worn springs don't you? Trampas -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
actually I looked at it again and its really not sagging that much. Im going to replace the shocks and see what it does then go from there. OK Don wrote: No. take them out and see if there's a difference. Do the same on a car with good shocks. See if there's any difference. I don't think there will be. On 2/26/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, I mean shocks. Trampas wrote: Kaleb, You mean worn springs don't you? Trampas -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Will really worn out shocks cause the rear end of a 126 to sag and have the wheels slightly tilted toward the center at the top(like when car pushed down) or should I look for something else? Shocks are REALLY bad on this car for starters. Has 160k miles. That's usually caused by collapsed subframe and differential mounts and spring pads. The shocks have a very minor influence (maybe they will raise the rear 1/4-1/2). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
OK Don wrote: Shocks dampen the re-bound of the springs, they don't hold anything up. Must be the springs ? Not actually true. Take a new shock and release the restraint. It will expand and it will require considerable force to compress it. New shocks exert maybe 30-50 lb of upward force when in the neutral position. Unlike most American iron, Mercedes springs ALMOST never fatigue (they occasionally break). Talk with the really educated and experienced Mercedes pros and they will tell you that they have rarely needed to replace a Mercedes spring because of fatigue. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
it's almost never springs. springs is one of the lowest customer satisfaction items we sell as they almost never fix the problem they are bought to fix. I dread every time we sell springs as I know that more likely than not i will have an unhappy customer on my hands. doesn't matter whether they are original or aftermarket. On 2/26/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: Shocks dampen the re-bound of the springs, they don't hold anything up. Must be the springs ? Not actually true. Take a new shock and release the restraint. It will expand and it will require considerable force to compress it. New shocks exert maybe 30-50 lb of upward force when in the neutral position. Unlike most American iron, Mercedes springs ALMOST never fatigue (they occasionally break). Talk with the really educated and experienced Mercedes pros and they will tell you that they have rarely needed to replace a Mercedes spring because of fatigue. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126
On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 08:22:03AM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: no bodies etc. Its a 420 so no SLS. It has always been my thought that if its sagging its usually the subframe mounts etc but wondered if REALLY REALLY worn out shocks could also cause a sag. Is this regina's car that she thinks is a stellar example of what a car should be? K
