Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Andrew wrote: Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well? Yes. The hardest or riskiest part is the lines/pipes. Like brake lines, they require the nut to spin on the line so rust and corrosion can interfere. A couple bolts hold the valve body to the car. Oh, and the link to the anti-sway bar has to be disconnected. If rust and corrosion _don't_ get in your way, it should take about as long to flush and bleed the system as it does to replace the valve. Based on my experience. I rebuilt mine using o-ring I found at NAPA to solve a shaft seal leak. If it's not holding pressure, it will be harder to deal with as those ports seal are metal-on-metal. Maybe honing the valve plate flat? I don't know as I didn't have to deal with it. *smiles* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So with my symptoms (bouncy rear, inability to raise rear of the car under load), how likely is it that my valve is defective? I strongly suspect you have two separate issues. But if you want the system to function as original, then the components have to be original spec. Start by putting in the correct springs. Then adjust for correct position. Then troubleshoot. If you are just trying to resolve the under-damping that MD is complaining about, then there is a lot more guesswork. As I understand the system, there is _no_ way the valve could be responsible for damping as the damping is a function of fluid moving from the struts to the accumulators. If damping is the problem, then Andrew wrote: ...the tech adjusted the valve to lower the car down to 14.5 and then we did the test, with the engine running. It NEVER budged from its sunken state until the two beefy techs got off of the tailgate. Remind me - the suspension lifted a load fine prior to the adjustment? If so, the post-adjustment symptom could be valve, but may be a consequence of targeting factory ride height with over-strong springs. I don't have burly techs hanging around to load the car, so I disconnect the link to the anti-sway bar and manually move the valve to see that it's lifting and dumping right. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
First as to checking the pump pressure look up 35-530 in the manual. Second a pump may be pumping fluid and the valve can return it to the tank without there being very much pressure since when the valve is set to the normal level the fluid returns to the tank without being subject to any restriction in the valve. It is only when the valve is set to fill that the return port is closed off and the pump must now supply fluid at as high a pressure as is necessary to lift the vehicle back to a level position up to a pressure of 130-180 bar. Once the vehicle is at the correct level the fill valve is closed off keeping the pressure in the strut part of the system constant and at the same time opening the return valve to route the fluid which the pump is producing back to the tank at almost no pressure. This is to allow the power that the engine needs to pump the fluid at high pressure to be used for pushing the vehicle down the road and save fuel as well as to reduce the temp of the pump and fluid. When the vehicle gets unloaded the valve changes to lower, where both the strut and return valves are open letting the vehicle lower to the normal ride height. All that while the pump is still pumping fluid but at the lowest pressure required only for circulation. Check out 35-501 for the full working description. So just because a pump is capable of pushing fluid at say 5 lbs just to keep it circulating and the temp in the pump at a safe level, does not mean it is able to pump that fluid up to the pressure required to lift the vehicle and load up to where it needs to be. The only way to find that out is to lift the back of the vehicle by turning the valve to the fill position and watch the back rise while watching the connected gauge to see how much pressure the pump is capable of producing. If it does 130 bar it's good to go. Manfred Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 23:37:11 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] sls troubles Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Is there a way to test the pump for sufficient pressure? Is this even plausible? It doesn't leak and the fluid circulates. So how is there a problem? If fluid is being returned to the filter under the reservoir cap, I would feel safe in concluding that the pump is forcing fluid through the valve, and therefore the pump isn't the problem. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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It's not bad, but you better have a good set of flare nut wrenches to do it. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 22, 2014, at 10:14 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That's good to know. Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well? Easy-peasy on my W201, a real bear to get at on my S210. Don't know about your S123. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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That's good to know. Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well? I doubt it. Flare nuts, etc. Corrosion. Aluminum body... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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So with my symptoms (bouncy rear, inability to raise rear of the car under load), how likely is it that my valve is defective? On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: That's good to know. Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well? I doubt it. Flare nuts, etc. Corrosion. Aluminum body... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So with my symptoms (bouncy rear, inability to raise rear of the car under load), how likely is it that my valve is defective? It wasn't unable to raise under load until they adjusted the valve, right? I suspect your valve is now out of adjustment. Might have also been out of adjustment to start with, especially if it was ever removed from the car when it had regular shocks on it. When I put a new to me valve on my 190E, before I hooked up the linkage I set the valve to drain, started the car, crawled under and raised and lowered the car a couple of times by moving the valve lever by hand. Then I knew the valve worked. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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No, the tech adjusted the valve to lower the car down to 14.5 and then we did the test, with the engine running. It NEVER budged from its sunken state until the two beefy techs got off of the tailgate. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So with my symptoms (bouncy rear, inability to raise rear of the car under load), how likely is it that my valve is defective? It wasn't unable to raise under load until they adjusted the valve, right? I suspect your valve is now out of adjustment. Might have also been out of adjustment to start with, especially if it was ever removed from the car when it had regular shocks on it. When I put a new to me valve on my 190E, before I hooked up the linkage I set the valve to drain, started the car, crawled under and raised and lowered the car a couple of times by moving the valve lever by hand. Then I knew the valve worked. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Sounds like your pump is not supplying sufficient pressure. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 23, 2014 10:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: No, the tech adjusted the valve to lower the car down to 14.5 and then we did the test, with the engine running. It NEVER budged from its sunken state until the two beefy techs got off of the tailgate. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So with my symptoms (bouncy rear, inability to raise rear of the car under load), how likely is it that my valve is defective? It wasn't unable to raise under load until they adjusted the valve, right? I suspect your valve is now out of adjustment. Might have also been out of adjustment to start with, especially if it was ever removed from the car when it had regular shocks on it. When I put a new to me valve on my 190E, before I hooked up the linkage I set the valve to drain, started the car, crawled under and raised and lowered the car a couple of times by moving the valve lever by hand. Then I knew the valve worked. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
How would that impact the bounciness? On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like your pump is not supplying sufficient pressure. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 23, 2014 10:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: No, the tech adjusted the valve to lower the car down to 14.5 and then we did the test, with the engine running. It NEVER budged from its sunken state until the two beefy techs got off of the tailgate. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So with my symptoms (bouncy rear, inability to raise rear of the car under load), how likely is it that my valve is defective? It wasn't unable to raise under load until they adjusted the valve, right? I suspect your valve is now out of adjustment. Might have also been out of adjustment to start with, especially if it was ever removed from the car when it had regular shocks on it. When I put a new to me valve on my 190E, before I hooked up the linkage I set the valve to drain, started the car, crawled under and raised and lowered the car a couple of times by moving the valve lever by hand. Then I knew the valve worked. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Meade Dillon wrote: Sounds like your pump is not supplying sufficient pressure. Huh? It was pumped up, too highly pumped up. (with help from too strong springs, we assume) Techs forced it down by adjusting the control valve until the fender lip was 14ish inches above the hub center. Then and only then would it not pump back up to 14 with two guys sitting on it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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No, the tech adjusted the valve to lower the car down to 14.5 and then we did the test, with the engine running. It NEVER budged from its sunken state until the two beefy techs got off of the tailgate. Doesn't sound like it's able to make pressure. Leaking valve internals? The system really is simple. Once you identify what the true symptoms are, the cause should be evident. Struts/spheres can't be wrong, except for the spheres leaking internally and losing pressure. If new enough, should be good. Struts can leak or rattle, but will always work. Struts need to rest in approximate center position. Car should be level then, but damage and vandalistic parts practices could interfere. Springs only provide _partial_ support. Pressure from pump through valve and into the spheres/struts does the rest. If car sinks due to load, valve will add more pressure to bring it back up to center. Car rises? Reverse. Gravity is expected to do the job. Valve has a base (resting) pressure setting. If that was broken, _and_ you had too-strong springs the car might sit at the correct height, or even high, and you wouldn't have the hydraulic system doing much at all that it should be doing. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Best answer yet - thanks, Jim. Do you think incorrect springs play a role too? On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: No, the tech adjusted the valve to lower the car down to 14.5 and then we did the test, with the engine running. It NEVER budged from its sunken state until the two beefy techs got off of the tailgate. Doesn't sound like it's able to make pressure. Leaking valve internals? The system really is simple. Once you identify what the true symptoms are, the cause should be evident. Struts/spheres can't be wrong, except for the spheres leaking internally and losing pressure. If new enough, should be good. Struts can leak or rattle, but will always work. Struts need to rest in approximate center position. Car should be level then, but damage and vandalistic parts practices could interfere. Springs only provide _partial_ support. Pressure from pump through valve and into the spheres/struts does the rest. If car sinks due to load, valve will add more pressure to bring it back up to center. Car rises? Reverse. Gravity is expected to do the job. Valve has a base (resting) pressure setting. If that was broken, _and_ you had too-strong springs the car might sit at the correct height, or even high, and you wouldn't have the hydraulic system doing much at all that it should be doing. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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If the springs are too strong / too tall, and the pump cannot provide more than base pressure (cannot lift the rear when loaded), then the springs are carrying more weight than designed. Therefore the system is not balanced, with a bias toward the springs carrying the weight. Andrew's load test may have shown that the pump is weak and unable to provide sufficient pressure to lift a load. First step is to ensure the correct springs are installed, I think the system needs to be bled at the strut connections, the pump pressure is now suspect in my mind, and finally the valve can be adjusted and proper operation validated. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 23, 2014 11:56 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Meade Dillon wrote: Sounds like your pump is not supplying sufficient pressure. Huh? It was pumped up, too highly pumped up. (with help from too strong springs, we assume) Techs forced it down by adjusting the control valve until the fender lip was 14ish inches above the hub center. Then and only then would it not pump back up to 14 with two guys sitting on it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Meade Dillon wrote: First step is to ensure the correct springs are installed, I think the system needs to be bled at the strut connections, the pump pressure is now suspect in my mind, and finally the valve can be adjusted and proper operation validated. Sounds like a plan. Are you volunteering to visit DC and demonstrate it to Andy? He'd probably fill your trunk (maybe just your glove box) with home canned Jalapeño jelly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Already made the offer, no response.. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 23, 2014 12:23 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Meade Dillon wrote: First step is to ensure the correct springs are installed, I think the system needs to be bled at the strut connections, the pump pressure is now suspect in my mind, and finally the valve can be adjusted and proper operation validated. Sounds like a plan. Are you volunteering to visit DC and demonstrate it to Andy? He'd probably fill your trunk (maybe just your glove box) with home canned Jalapeño jelly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yeah, a very tempting offer. I would first need to confirm that the springs are different from my other wagon, then acquire a floor jack + jack stands. Hope to have the springs questions sorted out this week so next week I could entertain doing something about it. Meade - do you live in the DC area or SC? On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Already made the offer, no response.. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 23, 2014 12:23 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Meade Dillon wrote: First step is to ensure the correct springs are installed, I think the system needs to be bled at the strut connections, the pump pressure is now suspect in my mind, and finally the valve can be adjusted and proper operation validated. Sounds like a plan. Are you volunteering to visit DC and demonstrate it to Andy? He'd probably fill your trunk (maybe just your glove box) with home canned Jalapeño jelly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Max lives in Mt. UnPleasant, SC. he has my spring compressor, which we were going to buy together, or he was going to buy from me, but I just paid for it and am keeping it whenever it finds its way back home. If you use it, you can pay some rent, preferably beer but no elmerdedelgato pepper stuff. --R On 4/23/14 1:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Meade - do you live in the DC area or SC? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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el mer del gato = Ocean of the cat? On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Max lives in Mt. UnPleasant, SC. he has my spring compressor, which we were going to buy together, or he was going to buy from me, but I just paid for it and am keeping it whenever it finds its way back home. If you use it, you can pay some rent, preferably beer but no elmerdedelgato pepper stuff. --R On 4/23/14 1:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Meade - do you live in the DC area or SC? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 22/04/2014 8:25 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not hard, nor scary. Front's a different story! WHAT JIM SAID!! In fact, you have to restrict the movement of the axles when changing the differential so you don't have the springs falling out. Craig ___ NO, NO, NO! We need to convince Andrew that it must be done as per the manual. Since none of us have the expensive spring compressor, he will be required to purchase one. Then, being the kind hearted and generous soul that he obviously is, he will lend it to us whenever we need it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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But TWO list memebrs already own spring compressors. For me to purchase one would be duplicative, or triplicative if you prefer. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 22/04/2014 8:25 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not hard, nor scary. Front's a different story! WHAT JIM SAID!! In fact, you have to restrict the movement of the axles when changing the differential so you don't have the springs falling out. Craig ___ NO, NO, NO! We need to convince Andrew that it must be done as per the manual. Since none of us have the expensive spring compressor, he will be required to purchase one. Then, being the kind hearted and generous soul that he obviously is, he will lend it to us whenever we need it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Chuckietown, SC. Wilt - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] sls troubles Yeah, a very tempting offer. I would first need to confirm that the springs are different from my other wagon, then acquire a floor jack + jack stands. Hope to have the springs questions sorted out this week so next week I could entertain doing something about it. Meade - do you live in the DC area or SC? On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Already made the offer, no response.. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 23, 2014 12:23 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Meade Dillon wrote: First step is to ensure the correct springs are installed, I think the system needs to be bled at the strut connections, the pump pressure is now suspect in my mind, and finally the valve can be adjusted and proper operation validated. Sounds like a plan. Are you volunteering to visit DC and demonstrate it to Andy? He'd probably fill your trunk (maybe just your glove box) with home canned Jalapeño jelly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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BUT . . . you are the one who wants one. And, they don't seem to know where it is right now. On 23/04/2014 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: But TWO list memebrs already own spring compressors. For me to purchase one would be duplicative, or triplicative if you prefer. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 22/04/2014 8:25 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not hard, nor scary. Front's a different story! WHAT JIM SAID!! In fact, you have to restrict the movement of the axles when changing the differential so you don't have the springs falling out. Craig ___ NO, NO, NO! We need to convince Andrew that it must be done as per the manual. Since none of us have the expensive spring compressor, he will be required to purchase one. Then, being the kind hearted and generous soul that he obviously is, he will lend it to us whenever we need it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Max has mine/[ours] --R On 4/23/14 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: BUT . . . you are the one who wants one. And, they don't seem to know where it is right now. On 23/04/2014 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: But TWO list memebrs already own spring compressors. For me to purchase one would be duplicative, or triplicative if you prefer. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 22/04/2014 8:25 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not hard, nor scary. Front's a different story! WHAT JIM SAID!! In fact, you have to restrict the movement of the axles when changing the differential so you don't have the springs falling out. Craig ___ NO, NO, NO! We need to convince Andrew that it must be done as per the manual. Since none of us have the expensive spring compressor, he will be required to purchase one. Then, being the kind hearted and generous soul that he obviously is, he will lend it to us whenever we need it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
On 4/23/14 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: el merDE del gato = Sh*t of the cat? On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Max lives in Mt. UnPleasant, SC. he has my spring compressor, which we were going to buy together, or he was going to buy from me, but I just paid for it and am keeping it whenever it finds its way back home. If you use it, you can pay some rent, preferably beer but no elmerdedelgato pepper stuff. --R On 4/23/14 1:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Meade - do you live in the DC area or SC? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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You are just making this way too easy for Andrew. Did you folks buy the fancy, expensive, MB endorsed tool? On 23/04/2014 2:29 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Max has mine/[ours] --R On 4/23/14 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: BUT . . . you are the one who wants one. And, they don't seem to know where it is right now. On 23/04/2014 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: But TWO list memebrs already own spring compressors. For me to purchase one would be duplicative, or triplicative if you prefer. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 22/04/2014 8:25 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not hard, nor scary. Front's a different story! WHAT JIM SAID!! In fact, you have to restrict the movement of the axles when changing the differential so you don't have the springs falling out. Craig ___ NO, NO, NO! We need to convince Andrew that it must be done as per the manual. Since none of us have the expensive spring compressor, he will be required to purchase one. Then, being the kind hearted and generous soul that he obviously is, he will lend it to us whenever we need it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
It is one of the knockoffs but quite stout. I bought it from a guy around here who had used it to put lower springs on a 560SEC. I used it on the SD when i did the front suspension last summer. The only problem with it is that when it bottoms out the threads did not engage the bottom so I ended up having to go to an autoparts store to borrow their external compressors to pull it in enough to get the bottom plate holder engaged to the screw. I had to crank on it a bit to do that, was a bit scary but once engaged it worked fine. I had uncompressed the spring as much as i could after removing it, and hit that problem. On the other side I did not uncompress it all the way, it worked fine. Not sure why it worked that way, but there it was... --R On 4/23/14 3:45 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: You are just making this way too easy for Andrew. Did you folks buy the fancy, expensive, MB endorsed tool? On 23/04/2014 2:29 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Max has mine/[ours] --R On 4/23/14 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: BUT . . . you are the one who wants one. And, they don't seem to know where it is right now. On 23/04/2014 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: But TWO list memebrs already own spring compressors. For me to purchase one would be duplicative, or triplicative if you prefer. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 22/04/2014 8:25 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not hard, nor scary. Front's a different story! WHAT JIM SAID!! In fact, you have to restrict the movement of the axles when changing the differential so you don't have the springs falling out. Craig ___ NO, NO, NO! We need to convince Andrew that it must be done as per the manual. Since none of us have the expensive spring compressor, he will be required to purchase one. Then, being the kind hearted and generous soul that he obviously is, he will lend it to us whenever we need it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:16:14 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Best answer yet - thanks, Jim. Do you think incorrect springs play a role too? Looking at his answer, Valve has a base (resting) pressure setting. If that was broken, _and_ you had too-strong springs the car might sit at the correct height, or even high, and you wouldn't have the hydraulic system doing much at all that it should be doing. one can surmise that the incorrect springs do play a role. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I'm moving into the house next to you... I'm in the D.C. area for a couple more days, don't know when I'll be back up. Window of opportunity is closing... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 23, 2014 1:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, a very tempting offer. I would first need to confirm that the springs are different from my other wagon, then acquire a floor jack + jack stands. Hope to have the springs questions sorted out this week so next week I could entertain doing something about it. Meade - do you live in the DC area or SC? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Actually we prefer Mount Plastic. Lunch next week? Pick a day, I'll bring along the compressor. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 23, 2014 2:00 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Max lives in Mt. UnPleasant, SC. he has my spring compressor, which we were going to buy together, or he was going to buy from me, but I just paid for it and am keeping it whenever it finds its way back home. If you use it, you can pay some rent, preferably beer but no elmerdedelgato pepper stuff. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Now there you go. If Andrew believes he must use the tool because the manual told him to, then he is also going to believe he must use the CORRECT TOOL! I doubt a knockoff will be sufficient for his purpose. On 23/04/2014 2:59 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: It is one of the knockoffs but quite stout. I bought it from a guy around here who had used it to put lower springs on a 560SEC. I used it on the SD when i did the front suspension last summer. The only problem with it is that when it bottoms out the threads did not engage the bottom so I ended up having to go to an autoparts store to borrow their external compressors to pull it in enough to get the bottom plate holder engaged to the screw. I had to crank on it a bit to do that, was a bit scary but once engaged it worked fine. I had uncompressed the spring as much as i could after removing it, and hit that problem. On the other side I did not uncompress it all the way, it worked fine. Not sure why it worked that way, but there it was... --R On 4/23/14 3:45 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: You are just making this way too easy for Andrew. Did you folks buy the fancy, expensive, MB endorsed tool? On 23/04/2014 2:29 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Max has mine/[ours] --R On 4/23/14 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: BUT . . . you are the one who wants one. And, they don't seem to know where it is right now. On 23/04/2014 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: But TWO list memebrs already own spring compressors. For me to purchase one would be duplicative, or triplicative if you prefer. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 22/04/2014 8:25 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not hard, nor scary. Front's a different story! WHAT JIM SAID!! In fact, you have to restrict the movement of the axles when changing the differential so you don't have the springs falling out. Craig ___ NO, NO, NO! We need to convince Andrew that it must be done as per the manual. Since none of us have the expensive spring compressor, he will be required to purchase one. Then, being the kind hearted and generous soul that he obviously is, he will lend it to us whenever we need it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Andrew has used the real thing. He is now spoiled:) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Now there you go. If Andrew believes he must use the tool because the manual told him to, then he is also going to believe he must use the CORRECT TOOL! I doubt a knockoff will be sufficient for his purpose. On 23/04/2014 2:59 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: It is one of the knockoffs but quite stout. I bought it from a guy around here who had used it to put lower springs on a 560SEC. I used it on the SD when i did the front suspension last summer. The only problem with it is that when it bottoms out the threads did not engage the bottom so I ended up having to go to an autoparts store to borrow their external compressors to pull it in enough to get the bottom plate holder engaged to the screw. I had to crank on it a bit to do that, was a bit scary but once engaged it worked fine. I had uncompressed the spring as much as i could after removing it, and hit that problem. On the other side I did not uncompress it all the way, it worked fine. Not sure why it worked that way, but there it was... --R On 4/23/14 3:45 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: You are just making this way too easy for Andrew. Did you folks buy the fancy, expensive, MB endorsed tool? On 23/04/2014 2:29 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Max has mine/[ours] --R On 4/23/14 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: BUT . . . you are the one who wants one. And, they don't seem to know where it is right now. On 23/04/2014 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: But TWO list memebrs already own spring compressors. For me to purchase one would be duplicative, or triplicative if you prefer. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 22/04/2014 8:25 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not hard, nor scary. Front's a different story! WHAT JIM SAID!! In fact, you have to restrict the movement of the axles when changing the differential so you don't have the springs falling out. Craig ___ NO, NO, NO! We need to convince Andrew that it must be done as per the manual. Since none of us have the expensive spring compressor, he will be required to purchase one. Then, being the kind hearted and generous soul that he obviously is, he will lend it to us whenever we need it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Is there a way to test the pump for sufficient pressure? Is this even plausible? It doesn't leak and the fluid circulates. So how is there a problem? On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Now there you go. If Andrew believes he must use the tool because the manual told him to, then he is also going to believe he must use the CORRECT TOOL! I doubt a knockoff will be sufficient for his purpose. On 23/04/2014 2:59 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: It is one of the knockoffs but quite stout. I bought it from a guy around here who had used it to put lower springs on a 560SEC. I used it on the SD when i did the front suspension last summer. The only problem with it is that when it bottoms out the threads did not engage the bottom so I ended up having to go to an autoparts store to borrow their external compressors to pull it in enough to get the bottom plate holder engaged to the screw. I had to crank on it a bit to do that, was a bit scary but once engaged it worked fine. I had uncompressed the spring as much as i could after removing it, and hit that problem. On the other side I did not uncompress it all the way, it worked fine. Not sure why it worked that way, but there it was... --R On 4/23/14 3:45 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: You are just making this way too easy for Andrew. Did you folks buy the fancy, expensive, MB endorsed tool? On 23/04/2014 2:29 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Max has mine/[ours] --R On 4/23/14 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: BUT . . . you are the one who wants one. And, they don't seem to know where it is right now. On 23/04/2014 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: But TWO list memebrs already own spring compressors. For me to purchase one would be duplicative, or triplicative if you prefer. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 22/04/2014 8:25 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not hard, nor scary. Front's a different story! WHAT JIM SAID!! In fact, you have to restrict the movement of the axles when changing the differential so you don't have the springs falling out. Craig ___ NO, NO, NO! We need to convince Andrew that it must be done as per the manual. Since none of us have the expensive spring compressor, he will be required to purchase one. Then, being the kind hearted and generous soul that he obviously is, he will lend it to us whenever we need it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Is there a way to test the pump for sufficient pressure? Is this even plausible? It doesn't leak and the fluid circulates. So how is there a problem? If fluid is being returned to the filter under the reservoir cap, I would feel safe in concluding that the pump is forcing fluid through the valve, and therefore the pump isn't the problem. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
You want me to swing by, help turn some wrenches? No spring compressor required. Wednesday night, be there about 7 or 8? Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 11:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Are flying up to DC. for the weekend with your spring compressor by any chance? On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Great idea! If Andrew owns a floor jack and a couple sets of axle stands (Four total), he can take the springs from the good car and install in bad car to see if the problem is solved. Easy-peasy to swap them, loosen the strut mounts at the bottom, jack up the rear at the differential and the springs basically fall out. Reverse procedure to install. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 4:05 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: So can't you swap springs from the 83 to 85? The SLS relies on both the springs and struts to share the load, so essentially if your spring is weak more load is carried on the struts. Hendrik who knows very little about SLS systems On 21/04/14 07:57, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So I loaded an 80 sack of Sakrete into the rear deck and did the bounce test. Bouncy as usual. :( Then I checked the 83 wagon and it was way harder to push down in the rear - far stiffer - and there was no residual bouncing after I did my pushing down on the rear deck.. Presumably it has the correct springs, but is this relevant? I am leaning toward replacing the rear valve, although I might be persuaded to change the springs as well. Or change those first. Anyone? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral position if that's where you want it Yes, but that doesn't center the travel of the suspension so that it doesn't bounce off the upper end's stops. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
I need a lift and a spring compressor, plus new springs and a replacement valve. Need to order the parts first... On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: You want me to swing by, help turn some wrenches? No spring compressor required. Wednesday night, be there about 7 or 8? Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 11:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Are flying up to DC. for the weekend with your spring compressor by any chance? On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Great idea! If Andrew owns a floor jack and a couple sets of axle stands (Four total), he can take the springs from the good car and install in bad car to see if the problem is solved. Easy-peasy to swap them, loosen the strut mounts at the bottom, jack up the rear at the differential and the springs basically fall out. Reverse procedure to install. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 4:05 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: So can't you swap springs from the 83 to 85? The SLS relies on both the springs and struts to share the load, so essentially if your spring is weak more load is carried on the struts. Hendrik who knows very little about SLS systems On 21/04/14 07:57, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So I loaded an 80 sack of Sakrete into the rear deck and did the bounce test. Bouncy as usual. :( Then I checked the 83 wagon and it was way harder to push down in the rear - far stiffer - and there was no residual bouncing after I did my pushing down on the rear deck.. Presumably it has the correct springs, but is this relevant? I am leaning toward replacing the rear valve, although I might be persuaded to change the springs as well. Or change those first. Anyone? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral position if that's where you want it Yes, but that doesn't center the travel of the suspension so that it doesn't bounce off the upper end's stops. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Spring compressor not needed for rears, only fronts. You need a jack and some jack stands. Harbor Freight is your friend. Fatty is your springie thingie friend. --R On 4/22/14 12:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I need a lift and a spring compressor, plus new springs and a replacement valve. Need to order the parts first... On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: You want me to swing by, help turn some wrenches? No spring compressor required. Wednesday night, be there about 7 or 8? Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 11:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Are flying up to DC. for the weekend with your spring compressor by any chance? On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Great idea! If Andrew owns a floor jack and a couple sets of axle stands (Four total), he can take the springs from the good car and install in bad car to see if the problem is solved. Easy-peasy to swap them, loosen the strut mounts at the bottom, jack up the rear at the differential and the springs basically fall out. Reverse procedure to install. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 4:05 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: So can't you swap springs from the 83 to 85? The SLS relies on both the springs and struts to share the load, so essentially if your spring is weak more load is carried on the struts. Hendrik who knows very little about SLS systems On 21/04/14 07:57, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So I loaded an 80 sack of Sakrete into the rear deck and did the bounce test. Bouncy as usual. :( Then I checked the 83 wagon and it was way harder to push down in the rear - far stiffer - and there was no residual bouncing after I did my pushing down on the rear deck.. Presumably it has the correct springs, but is this relevant? I am leaning toward replacing the rear valve, although I might be persuaded to change the springs as well. Or change those first. Anyone? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral position if that's where you want it Yes, but that doesn't center the travel of the suspension so that it doesn't bounce off the upper end's stops. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I need a lift and a spring compressor, plus new springs and a replacement valve. Need to order the parts first... I don't think you need a compressor in the back, even with sedan springs. Was Max possibly offering to help you yank the springs out of the good car and stick them in the bouncy car to see if they caused the bounce? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Why not? -- Tuesday, 22 April 2014, 00:34PM -0400 from Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net: Spring compressor not needed for rears, only fronts. You need a jack and some jack stands. Harbor Freight is your friend. Fatty is your springie thingie friend. --R On 4/22/14 12:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I need a lift and a spring compressor, plus new springs and a replacement valve. Need to order the parts first... On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: You want me to swing by, help turn some wrenches? No spring compressor required. Wednesday night, be there about 7 or 8? Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 11:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Are flying up to DC. for the weekend with your spring compressor by any chance? On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Great idea! If Andrew owns a floor jack and a couple sets of axle stands (Four total), he can take the springs from the good car and install in bad car to see if the problem is solved. Easy-peasy to swap them, loosen the strut mounts at the bottom, jack up the rear at the differential and the springs basically fall out. Reverse procedure to install. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 4:05 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: So can't you swap springs from the 83 to 85? The SLS relies on both the springs and struts to share the load, so essentially if your spring is weak more load is carried on the struts. Hendrik who knows very little about SLS systems On 21/04/14 07:57, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So I loaded an 80 sack of Sakrete into the rear deck and did the bounce test. Bouncy as usual. :( Then I checked the 83 wagon and it was way harder to push down in the rear - far stiffer - and there was no residual bouncing after I did my pushing down on the rear deck.. Presumably it has the correct springs, but is this relevant? I am leaning toward replacing the rear valve, although I might be persuaded to change the springs as well. Or change those first. Anyone? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral position if that's where you want it Yes, but that doesn't center the travel of the suspension so that it doesn't bounce off the upper end's stops. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
First I need to confirm diameter of springs in the other wagon. -- Tuesday, 22 April 2014, 01:03PM -0400 from Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I need a lift and a spring compressor, plus new springs and a replacement valve. Need to order the parts first... I don't think you need a compressor in the back, even with sedan springs. Was Max possibly offering to help you yank the springs out of the good car and stick them in the bouncy car to see if they caused the bounce? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Service manual says otherwise. -- Tuesday, 22 April 2014, 01:03PM -0400 from Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I need a lift and a spring compressor, plus new springs and a replacement valve. Need to order the parts first... I don't think you need a compressor in the back, even with sedan springs. Was Max possibly offering to help you yank the springs out of the good car and stick them in the bouncy car to see if they caused the bounce? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
No spring compressor is required, even though the book call for one. Did this on my '85 wagon when I rebuilt the rear suspension. Loosen strut connection at control arm. Bleed off pressure in SLS system. Lift the back of the car until all pressure is off the springs, pull them out. Need to be able to lift the rear fairly high. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 22, 2014 2:22 PM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Why not? -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles in spring
Service manual assumes access to special tool plus they are not going to suggest that the springs can be removed without it. Lawyers would have a field day if things went wrong. With care the rear springs can be removed without compression, using a trolley jack. In one episode of wheeler dealer, the tall hairy one is seen to remove the rear springs out of a 201 without compression, very naughty. Could not find English version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aucrdPTfo4 Hendrik who once removed front springs without proper tool, scary stuff On 23/04/14 07:40, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Service manual says otherwise. -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles in spring
Hendrik and Fay wrote: Could not find English version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aucrdPTfo4 Is this it? http://filenuke.com/e71cqif4l2we ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not hard, nor scary. Front's a different story! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not hard, nor scary. Front's a different story! WHAT JIM SAID!! In fact, you have to restrict the movement of the axles when changing the differential so you don't have the springs falling out. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
That's good to know. Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well? On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not hard, nor scary. Front's a different story! WHAT JIM SAID!! In fact, you have to restrict the movement of the axles when changing the differential so you don't have the springs falling out. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 22:02:25 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: That's good to know. Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well? Now that I cannot say; I've only worked on Sedans. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That's good to know. Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well? Easy-peasy on my W201, a real bear to get at on my S210. Don't know about your S123. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Yes. Dead easy. Just be careful about corrosion: aluminium and salt are a bad combo, so you may find that you have stripped threads, esp the bleed valve. Might want to give everything a good soaking with Liquid Wrench in case it helps. Also, under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you remove the control lever from the valve shaft. Disconnect the lever from the linkage, but leave it attached to the shaft or you'll disturb the designed relationship between the position of the lever and the control disc inside the valve. On 4/23/14, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That's good to know. Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
So can't you swap springs from the 83 to 85? The SLS relies on both the springs and struts to share the load, so essentially if your spring is weak more load is carried on the struts. Hendrik who knows very little about SLS systems On 21/04/14 07:57, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So I loaded an 80 sack of Sakrete into the rear deck and did the bounce test. Bouncy as usual. :( Then I checked the 83 wagon and it was way harder to push down in the rear - far stiffer - and there was no residual bouncing after I did my pushing down on the rear deck.. Presumably it has the correct springs, but is this relevant? I am leaning toward replacing the rear valve, although I might be persuaded to change the springs as well. Or change those first. Anyone? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral position if that's where you want it Yes, but that doesn't center the travel of the suspension so that it doesn't bounce off the upper end's stops. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
No. The 83 works fine. I am debating the cost of swapping springs vs. swapping the rear valve with a used one. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: So can't you swap springs from the 83 to 85? The SLS relies on both the springs and struts to share the load, so essentially if your spring is weak more load is carried on the struts. Hendrik who knows very little about SLS systems On 21/04/14 07:57, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So I loaded an 80 sack of Sakrete into the rear deck and did the bounce test. Bouncy as usual. :( Then I checked the 83 wagon and it was way harder to push down in the rear - far stiffer - and there was no residual bouncing after I did my pushing down on the rear deck.. Presumably it has the correct springs, but is this relevant? I am leaning toward replacing the rear valve, although I might be persuaded to change the springs as well. Or change those first. Anyone? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral position if that's where you want it Yes, but that doesn't center the travel of the suspension so that it doesn't bounce off the upper end's stops. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Great idea! If Andrew owns a floor jack and a couple sets of axle stands (Four total), he can take the springs from the good car and install in bad car to see if the problem is solved. Easy-peasy to swap them, loosen the strut mounts at the bottom, jack up the rear at the differential and the springs basically fall out. Reverse procedure to install. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 4:05 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: So can't you swap springs from the 83 to 85? The SLS relies on both the springs and struts to share the load, so essentially if your spring is weak more load is carried on the struts. Hendrik who knows very little about SLS systems On 21/04/14 07:57, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So I loaded an 80 sack of Sakrete into the rear deck and did the bounce test. Bouncy as usual. :( Then I checked the 83 wagon and it was way harder to push down in the rear - far stiffer - and there was no residual bouncing after I did my pushing down on the rear deck.. Presumably it has the correct springs, but is this relevant? I am leaning toward replacing the rear valve, although I might be persuaded to change the springs as well. Or change those first. Anyone? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral position if that's where you want it Yes, but that doesn't center the travel of the suspension so that it doesn't bounce off the upper end's stops. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Are flying up to DC. for the weekend with your spring compressor by any chance? On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Great idea! If Andrew owns a floor jack and a couple sets of axle stands (Four total), he can take the springs from the good car and install in bad car to see if the problem is solved. Easy-peasy to swap them, loosen the strut mounts at the bottom, jack up the rear at the differential and the springs basically fall out. Reverse procedure to install. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 4:05 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: So can't you swap springs from the 83 to 85? The SLS relies on both the springs and struts to share the load, so essentially if your spring is weak more load is carried on the struts. Hendrik who knows very little about SLS systems On 21/04/14 07:57, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So I loaded an 80 sack of Sakrete into the rear deck and did the bounce test. Bouncy as usual. :( Then I checked the 83 wagon and it was way harder to push down in the rear - far stiffer - and there was no residual bouncing after I did my pushing down on the rear deck.. Presumably it has the correct springs, but is this relevant? I am leaning toward replacing the rear valve, although I might be persuaded to change the springs as well. Or change those first. Anyone? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral position if that's where you want it Yes, but that doesn't center the travel of the suspension so that it doesn't bounce off the upper end's stops. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles black suspension oil
I think the pump rebuild kits aren't too expensive, but more expensive than a fluid change. After you replace the spheres, change the fluid and watch the color. If engine oil it's contaminating, would the fluid level change? Would the engine oil level change? Easiest way to change the fluid is to direct the return line at the engine compartment to drain into a different container, start the car, and replace the fluid in the reservoir as the level drops. Once the drain line runs clear, with the car off, load up the rear, open the bleed valve and drain out the sphere-side. Be careful as the rear will drop quite a bit. Top up the reservoir, done. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 20, 2014 2:23 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Folks I have the black oil i may have deteriorated spheres (probably do ... am about to replace) but i may also have oil intrusion i don't know that's why i was considering oil analysis of the hydraulic fluid thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles black suspension oil
i may also have oil intrusion I don't see how, there's essentially no contact between the systems. I had ours apart a bunch. The only engine oil in the area is a little bit of splash at the drive end of the pump. And there's an oil seal there. Most of the pump is under high pressure. For it to be black enough to see from motor oil intrusion, the viscosity ought to be more like motor oil. Is it? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
So I loaded an 80 sack of Sakrete into the rear deck and did the bounce test. Bouncy as usual. :( Then I checked the 83 wagon and it was way harder to push down in the rear - far stiffer - and there was no residual bouncing after I did my pushing down on the rear deck.. Presumably it has the correct springs, but is this relevant? I am leaning toward replacing the rear valve, although I might be persuaded to change the springs as well. Or change those first. Anyone? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral position if that's where you want it Yes, but that doesn't center the travel of the suspension so that it doesn't bounce off the upper end's stops. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Springs first, you have good evidence they are wrong springs... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 20, 2014 6:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: So I loaded an 80 sack of Sakrete into the rear deck and did the bounce test. Bouncy as usual. :( Then I checked the 83 wagon and it was way harder to push down in the rear - far stiffer - and there was no residual bouncing after I did my pushing down on the rear deck.. Presumably it has the correct springs, but is this relevant? I am leaning toward replacing the rear valve, although I might be persuaded to change the springs as well. Or change those first. Anyone? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral position if that's where you want it Yes, but that doesn't center the travel of the suspension so that it doesn't bounce off the upper end's stops. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles black suspension oil
It's hydrous optic, like brake fluid. Old oil can appear to be black or very dark. Get a couple of liters of new stuff and a new filter. Find a long piece of tubing you can put bopper the return line once you have freed it from the cap. Put the other end in a large, clear container. Start the engine and have a liter of the new stuff handy. Fill the reservoir as the level drops and the old stuff fills the container. When it runs clear, shut off the engine and top off the reservoir. You can have someone bounce the rear while you're doing this, but it's not mandatory. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 20, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Folks I have the black oil i may have deteriorated spheres (probably do ... am about to replace) but i may also have oil intrusion i don't know that's why i was considering oil analysis of the hydraulic fluid thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles black suspension oil
That's *hydroscopic* Darned autocorrect. Sent from my iPad On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: It's hydrous optic, like brake fluid. Old oil can appear to be black or very dark. Get a couple of liters of new stuff and a new filter. Find a long piece of tubing you can put bopper the return line once you have freed it from the cap. Put the other end in a large, clear container. Start the engine and have a liter of the new stuff handy. Fill the reservoir as the level drops and the old stuff fills the container. When it runs clear, shut off the engine and top off the reservoir. You can have someone bounce the rear while you're doing this, but it's not mandatory. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 20, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Folks I have the black oil i may have deteriorated spheres (probably do ... am about to replace) but i may also have oil intrusion i don't know that's why i was considering oil analysis of the hydraulic fluid thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles black suspension oil
hydrous optic Hygroscopic? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 4:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] sls troubles black suspension oil It's hydrous optic, like brake fluid. Old oil can appear to be black or very dark. Get a couple of liters of new stuff and a new filter. Find a long piece of tubing you can put bopper the return line once you have freed it from the cap. Put the other end in a large, clear container. Start the engine and have a liter of the new stuff handy. Fill the reservoir as the level drops and the old stuff fills the container. When it runs clear, shut off the engine and top off the reservoir. You can have someone bounce the rear while you're doing this, but it's not mandatory. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 20, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Folks I have the black oil i may have deteriorated spheres (probably do ... am about to replace) but i may also have oil intrusion i don't know that's why i was considering oil analysis of the hydraulic fluid thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles black suspension oil
Ya gotta love auto correct. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: Greg FiorentinoSent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:25 PMTo: 'Mercedes Discussion List'Reply To: Mercedes Discussion ListSubject: Re: [MBZ] sls troubles black suspension oil hydrous optic Hygroscopic? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles black suspension oil
Makes the eyes water? Gerry It's hydrous optic, like brake fluid. Old oil can appear to be black or very dark. Get a couple of liters of new stuff and a new filter. Find a long piece of tubing you can put bopper the return line once you have freed it from the cap. Put the other end in a large, clear container. Start the engine and have a liter of the new stuff handy. Fill the reservoir as the level drops and the old stuff fills the container. When it runs clear, shut off the engine and top off the reservoir. You can have someone bounce the rear while you're doing this, but it's not mandatory. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 20, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Folks I have the black oil i may have deteriorated spheres (probably do ... am about to replace) but i may also have oil intrusion i don't know that's why i was considering oil analysis of the hydraulic fluid thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles black suspension oil
...chuckles... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 20, 2014 9:46 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Makes the eyes water? Gerry It's hydrous optic, like brake fluid. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Rick Hawkins Java wrote: OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral position if that's where you want it I'd still like to know what makes Andy's wagon go boing, boing, boing. Would having too high a spring rate on the steel springs cause it to be oversprung and underdamped to the point where it would fail a does it bounce more than twice? test? More to the point of passing safety inspection, does it get better or worse with ten bags of softener salt in the back? Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 23:28:54 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: More to the point of passing safety inspection, does it get better or worse with ten bags of softener salt in the back? Now that would be a simple fix for the inspection. It could be simulated without buying the salt by having one or more persons sit in the back. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
That I can try on my own - great idea. -- Saturday, 19 April 2014, 11:28PM -0400 from Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net: Rick Hawkins Java wrote: OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral position if that's where you want it I'd still like to know what makes Andy's wagon go boing, boing, boing. Would having too high a spring rate on the steel springs cause it to be oversprung and underdamped to the point where it would fail a does it bounce more than twice? test? More to the point of passing safety inspection, does it get better or worse with ten bags of softener salt in the back? Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral position if that's where you want it Yes, but that doesn't center the travel of the suspension so that it doesn't bounce off the upper end's stops. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles 1982 300td
If it rides hard (feels like the axle is welded to the frame) that is caused by one or both failed spheres. The bad news is that failed spheres will damage the SLS valve if you drive it long with bad spheres. Max I may very well have a problem with the valve too BUT the fact that the RIDE is like a washboard is indicative of bad accumulators, is it not? and i may be leaking oil into the system from the seal on the back of the SLS pump in the engine i sort of need to fix everything, i suspect (again) at least the hoses are all ok remember i abuse this thing often towing 1500 lbs on a trailer xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles 1982 300td
What Scott said. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 18, 2014 2:49 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: If it rides hard (feels like the axle is welded to the frame) that is caused by one or both failed spheres. The bad news is that failed spheres will damage the SLS valve if you drive it long with bad spheres. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles 300td 1982
Rick Hawkins Java wrote: So what kind of damage could be done to the pump? it's a pretty simple device pounding around of the pistons or something the lever is moved all the time when you drive around and hit bumps, no matter how heavy or light you use it, i would think lack of the dampening action of the spheres? i would think a hose would fail before the valve It's the control valve that gets damaged by the pressure spikes. When I bought my 2.3-16, it had dead spheres and a valve that wouldn't hold pressure. I got a used valve from somebody who downgraded to lowering springs, and new spheres. When those spheres died, I let the tire pressure down to 20 psi and drove it carefully 6 miles to the cottage to store it. When I got there, the suspension was flat again, that 'gentle' drive to the lake killed the replacement control valve. IIRC, my W201 uses S123 spheres and S124 control valve, and the 124 valve isn't rebuildable. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
On 08/08/2011 3:44 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: Folks either my sls pump or the hi pressure sls line out of the pump is leaking on my 300td do any of you know the specs for correct rear seal and o ring to reseal an sls pump? I have a couple of probably good ones (besides the one on the car) that are leaking engine oil into the sls sytem second question does anyone have the specs for the HOSE to use to rebuild the hi pressure line from sls pump to passenger fender they are rebuildable with correct hose i know mercedes source has an overpriced kit for the pump . rear seal, oring and $2 paper gasket for $65 and he also sells the hose for a similar price .. but that sort of seems like highway robbery and i;d like to get the info into the public domain so we can all share it!! peace and thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins I will offer free advice on something I know nothing about and have no experience with, so take it for what it is worth. One should think the hose could be attended to by a shop that makes or repairs hydraulic hoses for industrial equipment. An O ring should be obtainable just based upon size. A gasket can be made. The seal is something one might get from a bearing supply house. Don't ruin the old one before you find a new one so they can have a good look at it and measure it. Keep us posted on what happens. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: One should think the hose could be attended to by a shop that makes or repairs hydraulic hoses for industrial equipment. That's what I did, just took the old one in and they made a new flex section with the old fittings at the ends. Cost about $40 vs. $150 or thereabouts for a new one. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
I have read that the hose ends can easily be removed and the hose replaced, I'd recommend you visit your local hydraulic shop for the hose. I think the original hose has inserts to give it shape, don't throw those away with the old hose. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Folks either my sls pump or the hi pressure sls line out of the pump is leaking on my 300td do any of you know the specs for correct rear seal and o ring to reseal an sls pump? I have a couple of probably good ones (besides the one on the car) that are leaking engine oil into the sls sytem second question does anyone have the specs for the HOSE to use to rebuild the hi pressure line from sls pump to passenger fender they are rebuildable with correct hose i know mercedes source has an overpriced kit for the pump . rear seal, oring and $2 paper gasket for $65 and he also sells the hose for a similar price .. but that sort of seems like highway robbery and i;d like to get the info into the public domain so we can all share it!! peace and thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Rick Hawkins Java wrote: do any of you know the specs for correct rear seal and o ring to reseal an sls pump? does anyone have the specs for the HOSE to use to rebuild the hi pressure line from sls pump to passenger fender they are rebuildable with correct hose http://www.mercedessource.com/node/7760 I have not ordered one - yet. I just found this when I was doing a similar task. i know mercedes source has an overpriced kit for the pump . rear seal, oring and $2 paper gasket for $65 Well, on July 24 I answered this question. Call Rusty. His prices likely won't have changed much from when I ordered them. Notes in my parts list. 004-997-01-47$20 This is the seal for the shaft on the outside of the pump that keeps hydraulic oil out of the crankcase. Double-row, steel coil spring supported rubber with a steel frame. Press-in. 010-997-43-45 $10 seal - suspension pump, cover to body -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:22:33 -0400 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I have read that the hose ends can easily be removed and the hose replaced, I'd recommend you visit your local hydraulic shop for the hose. Take the entire original hose to your local hydraulic shop before you do anything to it. That way they can see the orientation of the hose ends to each other and make the replacement the same way. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
