Re: carbonized MetaCard

[Richard Gaskin]

>But you should keep in mind that the final release of Mac OS X is
>many, many months away and while it might make a good development
>platform before then, there probably won't be a large enough installed
>base to bother with making distributions for that platform until
>sometime next year.

Gee, Scott, you don't think an OS which requires a proprietary language to
write native apps for and only runs on the most expensive machines in the
industry isn't going to take over the world?

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mcEncrypt

[Peter Reid]

Can I check what characters can be in an encrypted string as 
generated by mcEncrypt().  This is the function used to produce 
passwords by the Ask dialog but it is not documented in the help. 
I'd like to be sure that a generated password can't include the tab 
character as I want to store user passwords in tab-delimited records. 
Also, I'm generating dummy user data and want to generate passwords 
based on combinations of first names, surnames, initials etc. and 
don't want to generate passwords containing my field/item separator!

Also, I'm assuming that there isn't an mcDecrypt (common practice 
with password systems is that they are one-way process only).  If 
there is a decryption function, what is it called and what are its 
parameters?

Cheers

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Re: mcEncrypt

[David Bovill]

> From: Peter Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:26:18 +0100
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: mcEncrypt
> 
> Can I check what characters can be in an encrypted string as
> generated by mcEncrypt().

I'd really like some help hacking this -:)

> This is the function used to produce
> passwords by the Ask dialog but it is not documented in the help.
> I'd like to be sure that a generated password can't include the tab
> character as I want to store user passwords in tab-delimited records.
> Also, I'm generating dummy user data and want to generate passwords
> based on combinations of first names, surnames, initials etc. and
> don't want to generate passwords containing my field/item separator!
> 
> Also, I'm assuming that there isn't an mcDecrypt (common practice
> with password systems is that they are one-way process only).  If
> there is a decryption function, what is it called and what are its
> parameters?
> 

And would it be possible to post this on the web site?



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Call by reference parameters are great...

[David Bovill]

but -:)

I'd use them a lot more if I could call functions without having to include
the parameter:


I have for instance a function "extractXmlData":


function extractXmlData xmlTagName, someXml
  ...

  return taggedText
end extractXmlData


Now mostly I just want the data so I use:

 put extractXmlData("kevins_CreditCardNumber", hisBankAccount) into myWallet

Or something similar.



But occasionally I want to then remove the evidence (or otherwise manipulate
the source text). By simply tagging call by reference parameters to the end
of the function I can easily get hold of these:

function extractXmlData xmlTagName, someXml, @startTag, @endTag
  ...

  return taggedText
end extractXmlData


So now I can:

 put extractXmlData("kevins_CreditCardNumber", hisBankAccount, startTag,
endTag) into myWallet

 delete char startTag to endTag of hisBankAccount

This is all cool, especially for complex parsing scripts that actually
calculate a lot of useful information that is not returned in the result.

The problem is twofold:

1)  You cannot ommit the call-by-reference parameters in the function
call. Therefore:

  get extractXmlData("kevins_CreditCardNumber", hisBankAccount)

Won't work (you get a script execution error - you must:

  get extractXmlData("kevins_CreditCardNumber", hisBankAccount, dummy1, yuk)

Even if you don't want the stuff. This prevents me from using them in
frequently used handlers.

2) If I am right you can't "do" them, and as a consequence I think you
can't debug them???


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Re: mcEncrypt

[Peter Reid]

>Also, I'm assuming that there isn't an mcDecrypt (common practice 
>with password systems is that they are one-way process only).  If 
>there is a decryption function, what is it called and what are its 
>parameters?

Oops, I asked this question some time ago and was told no decryption 
then - sorry to repeat myself!

Still interested in the characters generated by mcEncrypt() though!

Cheers

Peter
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MC Statistics Builder

[Mark Talluto]

Hi fellow MC users.  I recently needed to know how many lines of code I had in a 
completed project and print out some of those to paper.  So I made a program that:

1.  Counts all of your objects on your mainstack and substacks and display each 
accordingly
2.  Compiles a complete copy of all of your code and labels each section.
3.  Tells other general information about your stack.

If anyone would like a copy and maybe make it better, that would be cool.  I find it 
useful at times and thought others might too.  If so, maybe x-worlds would host it as 
a tool for download.

-Mark Talluto

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Re: MC Statistics Builder

[andu]

>
>
>
>Hi fellow MC users.  I recently needed to know how many lines of code I had in a 
>completed project and print out some of those to paper.  So I made a program that:
>
>1.  Counts all of your objects on your mainstack and substacks and display each 
>accordingly
>2.  Compiles a complete copy of all of your code and labels each section.
>3.  Tells other general information about your stack.
>
>If anyone would like a copy and maybe make it better, that would be cool.  I find it 
>useful at times and thought others might too.  If so, maybe x-worlds would host it as 
>a tool for download.

Could you please send me a copy? Thanks.
>
>-Mark Talluto


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Re: MC Statistics Builder

[Kevin Miller]

On 22/9/00 4:24 pm, Mark Talluto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi fellow MC users.  I recently needed to know how many lines of code I had in
> a completed project and print out some of those to paper.  So I made a program
> that:
> 
> 1.  Counts all of your objects on your mainstack and substacks and display
> each accordingly
> 2.  Compiles a complete copy of all of your code and labels each section.
> 3.  Tells other general information about your stack.
> 
> If anyone would like a copy and maybe make it better, that would be cool.  I
> find it useful at times and thought others might too.  If so, maybe x-worlds
> would host it as a tool for download.

Please send me a copy off list and we'll be happy to host it!

Regards,

Kevin

> -Mark Talluto

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Re: Pagination experiences

[Geoff Canyon]

on 9/21/00 6:26 PM, Kevin Miller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> ...By slow I mean more than a second on a fast computer.
> 
> That sounds quite fast: how fast do you need it to be?

Actually, now that you mention it, it is. :-) MetaCard is amazing. But
still, one second on a fast machine could be as much as ten or fifteen
seconds on a slow machine that I would still want to support.

and on 9/21/00 6:35 PM, Scott Raney at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Just one: Use the pageHeights property of the field, which does all of
> this work automatically for you ;-)

You know, nobody likes a wiseguy, Scott :-)

After considering the issue for a moment, I think the pageHeights property
_may_ do the trick, but I'll still have to do a little work (this assumes
constant line heights, which is safe for my application):

1. Put the text from the start to the text that must be included into the
field.
2. Get the page heights.
3. Add up all but the last.
4. Count the pageHeights to see what page I'm on.
5. Figure out the chunk description for the beginning of the last page.
6. Add text, and figure out how much will fit on the last page.
7. Place that text in the field, and put in the page number from step 4.

By the way, the pageHeights doesn't support widow and orphan control, does
it? I'll have to adjust to that.

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Re: mcEncrypt

[Scott Raney]

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Peter Reid wrote:

> Can I check what characters can be in an encrypted string as 
> generated by mcEncrypt().  This is the function used to produce 
> passwords by the Ask dialog but it is not documented in the help. 
> I'd like to be sure that a generated password can't include the tab 
> character as I want to store user passwords in tab-delimited records. 
> Also, I'm generating dummy user data and want to generate passwords 
> based on combinations of first names, surnames, initials etc. and 
> don't want to generate passwords containing my field/item separator!

It can contain tabs, so you'd better use the base64Encode() function to
encode it before storing it away.

> Also, I'm assuming that there isn't an mcDecrypt (common practice 
> with password systems is that they are one-way process only).  If 
> there is a decryption function, what is it called and what are its 
> parameters?

There isn't one.
  Scott

> Cheers
> 
> Peter
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Re: MC Statistics Builder

[David Bovill]

Me too?

> From: Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:09:50 +0100
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: MC Statistics Builder
> 
> On 22/9/00 4:24 pm, Mark Talluto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Hi fellow MC users.  I recently needed to know how many lines of code I had
>> in
>> a completed project and print out some of those to paper.  So I made a
>> program
>> that:
>> 
>> 1.  Counts all of your objects on your mainstack and substacks and display
>> each accordingly
>> 2.  Compiles a complete copy of all of your code and labels each section.
>> 3.  Tells other general information about your stack.
>> 
>> If anyone would like a copy and maybe make it better, that would be cool.  I
>> find it useful at times and thought others might too.  If so, maybe x-worlds
>> would host it as a tool for download.
> 
> Please send me a copy off list and we'll be happy to host it!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
>> -Mark Talluto
> 
> Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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Re: Pagination experiences

[Jose L. Rodriguez Illera]

Geoff,

I have been working on making a both creator and reader 'ebooks', so a I
have needed   paginating a 'book' from a text file.  The best solution I
have found is to use the pageheights property, as Scott suggests in other
response, because it makes the work very well without effort, but  it is not
so fast as you want.

Finding a particular chunk may be done with a simple 'find' command --very
fast in 100 pages or bigger books. Or you have to 'index' the text to know
in which pages a particular word appears, but this a process that takes more
time to build the index.
Regards,

Jose Luis

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Universitat de Barcelona
Passeig Vall d'Hebron, 171
08035 Barcelona  --E
 

> 
> From: "Geoff Canyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Pagination experiences
> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:51:35 -0700
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone here has experience writing pagination routines in
> MetaCard. I'm considering writing a routine that would take a 50-100k block
> of text, a font, a font size, a field size, and figure out where the page
> breaks should occur from beginning to end.
> 
> The actual goal is to be able to go to an arbitrary chunk of the text, and
> know what page number to put under it.
> 
> My first instinct is to use the height of the field and the formattedHeight
> function on chunks of text, finding page-sized chunks and counting them
> until I get to the chunk I want to display. but this is fairly slow across
> perhaps hundreds of pages. By slow I mean more than a second on a fast
> computer.
> 
> But my second instinct is to figure out how many lines will fit onto one
> page, figure out how tall those lines are individually, and then just search
> for the largest n such that n*(the number of lines that will fit on a page)
> is still less than the chunk I want to display, and then use n+1 for a page
> number. I'm sure that's not clear, but if someone's done it, I'm betting it
> will be clear to them. This might be much faster, but will it work?
> 
> Thanks to anyone who has a suggestion,
> 
> Geoff





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Transposing sound clips?

[ScottYang]

In hypercard, there is an option to transpose a single sound up and down a 
scale such as 

play "harpsichord" & "c d e f g a b"

is there a similar property in metacard instead of recording different notes 
for a single sound?

Scott Yang, M.D.
Kadena Pediatrics
Okinawa, Japan

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DownloadNGo Help?

[Scott Rossi]

I'm trying to get a variation of MC's DownloadnGO script to work with a
stack I posted on our Web site (commercial host).  Whenever I run the
script, the data contained in the cached url is HTML generated by my ISP
which says the requested page can't be found.

I've tried accessing Sivakatirswami's Himalayan stack with success, so I'm
pretty sure the problem isn't the script I'm using.  I know I've posted my
test file in binary format so that's not the issue.  This is the address to
the test file I'm using:

http://www.tactilemedia.com/test/majortest.mc

Might this have something to do with the protocol MC uses to retrieve URLs?
Do I need to use a command other than load URL?

Thanks for any help -- I'm stumped.

Regards,

Scott

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Indenting?

[Scott Rossi]

Is there any way to indent text in a text field?  I want to try to avoid any
"hardwired" spacing in the text and MC doesn't seem to understand HTML 
tags.  Any other options?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott

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Re: Indenting?

[Geoff Canyon]

on 9/22/00 3:27 PM, Scott Rossi at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Is there any way to indent text in a text field?  I want to try to avoid any
> "hardwired" spacing in the text and MC doesn't seem to understand HTML 
> tags.  Any other options?

Fields understand tabs, which is better than padding with spaces, but still
involves changing your text, I expect.

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Re: Indenting?

[Scott Raney]

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Is there any way to indent text in a text field?  I want to try to avoid any
> "hardwired" spacing in the text and MC doesn't seem to understand HTML 
> tags.  Any other options?

There is no support for paragraph-level attributes (including
indents), but you can use the firstIndent property to indent the first
line of all paragraphs, or put a tab before those lines and use the
tabStops property to define how far those lines are indented.
  Regards,
Scott

> Thanks & Regards,
> 
> Scott
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Re: Indenting?

[David Bovill]

No, real way to do this. Tabs maybe, but you have to figure out the length
of every line. Not done it but have figures that the best way to do it would
be to put the whole paragraph in a field and position that, as you can use
all the formattedWidth/height stuff and keep the word wrapping and ability
to combine the text back into the original single field...

> From: "Geoff Canyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:43:46 -0700
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Indenting?
> 
> on 9/22/00 3:27 PM, Scott Rossi at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> Is there any way to indent text in a text field?  I want to try to avoid any
>> "hardwired" spacing in the text and MC doesn't seem to understand HTML 
>> tags.  Any other options?
> 
> Fields understand tabs, which is better than padding with spaces, but still
> involves changing your text, I expect.
> 
> gc
> 
> 
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Re: DownloadNGo Help?

[David Bovill]

Just a thought, but try Metacard 2.3.2 as it has more support for http and
funny (re-directed) url's as often provided by service providers...

> From: Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:48:43 -0700
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: DownloadNGo Help?
> 
> I'm trying to get a variation of MC's DownloadnGO script to work with a
> stack I posted on our Web site (commercial host).  Whenever I run the
> script, the data contained in the cached url is HTML generated by my ISP
> which says the requested page can't be found.
> 
> I've tried accessing Sivakatirswami's Himalayan stack with success, so I'm
> pretty sure the problem isn't the script I'm using.  I know I've posted my
> test file in binary format so that's not the issue.  This is the address to
> the test file I'm using:
> 
> http://www.tactilemedia.com/test/majortest.mc
> 
> Might this have something to do with the protocol MC uses to retrieve URLs?
> Do I need to use a command other than load URL?
> 
> Thanks for any help -- I'm stumped.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott
> 
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