erik hansen wrote:
is there a MC equivalent to HC's:
Variable Watcher
Message Watcher
Script Editor
can i step, trace, and set debug checkpoints?
There is no variable watcher and no message watcher. I've needed these
too. The only time you can see those values is when you are
Richard Gaskin wrote:
There are a lot of tools floating around, although they're a bit spread out
and sometimes hard to find. Most of the good ones can be found at RunRev's
site, and on http://www.MCTools.org/
There are a few goodies at my FTP site
There's also some more at:
erik hansen wrote:
i can't find anything like the HC ss
(searchScript) handler to help find expressions
like keyboard focus that are not listed in the
index.
HyperCard's searchscript handler searches scripts, but it sounds like
you just want to find text in the reference. Use the Find
erik hansen wrote:
since all of my HC stacks were carefully pruned
of thes except where absolutely needed to
execute, i wonder whether others went back and
did the restoration work before porting scripts
to MetaCard?
HyperCard scripts execute faster if the thes are left in, so I always
erik hansen wrote:
put tot(it,l) into tot
shorter
put (the number of lines in it) into tot
clearer
only thing is, nobody else does this.
maybe clearer is better than shorter?
Depends. In this case, the clearer method takes less time to execute
too, so it's probably better. MC has to get
erik hansen wrote:
a! i just did all thes.
That's okay, you had to in order to import into MC. And it makes your HC
scripts faster too. MC will accept either length(thisWord) or the
length of thisWord but it will not accept length this word -- which I
think is what you had originally.
Shari wrote:
I always hated that Revolution saved the current stack and CLOSED it,
created a new copy and put me working in the copy.
Actually, to be fair, HyperCard's menu item says Save a copy -- which
means, save a separate copy to disk and stay where you are. Rev's menu
item says Save
Geoff Canyon wrote:
It _is_ slightly more difficult, since you need to watch out for the / character
in the legitimate path, which will have been translated to a :
You could either escape the : which always gives me a headache, or do a
character-by-character switch. I generally go the
Scott Rossi wrote:
Recently, Geoff Canyon wrote:
I like using the ascii for delete as a placeholder, because it works
fine and there's no way a user has typed it.
You know, that's a good point about not being able to type delete.
formFeed is another useful option.
Good idea, I
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Duh, I don't get it. Maybe the problem is that I have AOL -- these emails
come through as complete text. There is nothing clickable or draggable in the
email letter. In order to go to a link suggested in the email. I have to copy
it and paste it into the field up at
Richard Gaskin wrote:
J. Landman Gay wrote:
Richard Gaskin wrote:
J. Landman Gay wrote:
I'm sure I got this to work before, but now it doesn't. Someone remind
me how to set up a stack so that it displays with borders but no title
bar -- like your generic modal window on a Mac
J. Landman Gay wrote:
Ah -- my mistake:
set the decorations of this stack to empty
Right, I caught that the first time around. But I've still got a
titlebar. Does this really work for you? What else could be interfering?
I tried setting the lookandfeel to both macintosh
Richard Gaskin wrote:
The borders are a function of the ThreeD property of the card.
The threeD property of the card is true. Still doesn't work.
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Ken Ray wrote:
OK, Jacque... try this:
1) Set the decorations of the stack to empty
2) Set the showBorders of the card to true
3) set the 3D of the card to false
4) Set the borderWidth of the card to 1
Thanks Ken. If anything would do it, that would. But it doesn't. I
started with a new
Richard Gaskin wrote:
J. Landman Gay wrote:
Ken Ray wrote:
OK, Jacque... try this:
1) Set the decorations of the stack to empty
2) Set the showBorders of the card to true
3) set the 3D of the card to false
4) Set the borderWidth of the card to 1
Thanks Ken. If anything
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Ahmaybe it's a question of what one means by border. In my experience
MC only does the Platinum dialogs.
Yeah. I guess I'm just an old-style kinda person. :) Actually, I wanted
a border to visually set the dialog off from the stack underneath, which
is the same
What does one use in place of apple events on Windows machines?
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andu wrote:
J. Landman Gay wrote:
What does one use in place of apple events on Windows machines?
Orange events ;-).
So this is the single exception to the rule that you can't compare
apples and oranges?
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Monte Goulding wrote:
Anyone else think it's time to differentiate fld styles like what has been
done with buttons?
It sounds like what is being discussed isn't exactly a field any more,
but more of a table object. I'd like to see that: a new object with its
own properties and
Scott Rossi wrote:
Excuse me while I do cartwheels down the hallway.
You don't have to. Now that we've got angle you can have images do
cartwheels down the hallway instead. :)
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From the new Read Me file:
This release uses a new Perl-compatible regular expression library.
This library includes new support for Perl pattern characters and
non-greedy matches.
What's this do? How would we use Perl in our scripts? Can anyone give an
example of when this feature would be
Richard Gaskin wrote:
The jumping script editor scroll is a known bug, addressed in 2.4.2.
I was hoping. But I just downloaded 2.4.2b3 the other day and it is
still there. Drives me nuts.
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I have successfully installed darwin mc in OS X and have the echo.mt
script working. Now I'm trying to get an mt script to go to a stack and
find some information in it. The script fails at the go command. If I
change the script to say there is a stack 'mystack.mc' it returns
true, so it knows
andu wrote:
J. Landman Gay wrote:
But I still can't get a stack to search its own fields. Are field
searches a GUI thing that is impossible in an mt script?
yes.
I see. I would have thought that MC would recognize where the fields
were and their text, even if it wasn't bothering
Shari wrote:
The goal was to play a succession of sounds, while a simple
information dialog box opened. This was actually called by a menu
choice, so it needed to run on every card. I tried putting a player
on just one card and calling to it, but it didn't play unless that
card was open.
Phil Davis wrote:
BUT: a script CAN use a stack! It can also get stuff from a stack that has not
been opened.
Thanks. What kind of stuff can it get?
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Richard MacLemale wrote:
But I still can't get a stack to search its own fields. Are field
searches a GUI thing that is impossible in an mt script?
I think that IS the case. So you probably have to work around that by using
offset or something else.
It would probably be too hard to
I wrote:
I think I went astray
because I've done the stack-on-the-web thing in HC and I was looking for
similar behavior in MC, but I guess it isn't going to work.
Whoa. I accidentally did it -- it does work. :) Very cool. I didn't have
all the pieces together exactly right at any given
Phil Davis wrote:
It looks like every reference to an object has to be a long reference. I
was incorrectly using short references before.
You might be able to set the defaultStack to the target stack and then use short
references - but I don't know for sure.
Whaddya know. You can. :)
Shari wrote:
If so, you could try using send in commands to trigger the handler
repeatedly. The handler could check to see if the sound was done and
if so, start the next one.
After an hour of playing with various forms of the send command, I
gave up and went back to the long, klutzy
Shari wrote:
Though I'm wondering how other projects will fare. Remembering a
piece of code in Pork Barrel, where I have several soundchannels
playing at the same time, each in a repeat loop, while a whole series
of visuals and images do things on the screen, while at the same time
other
Scott Rossi wrote:
When setting the windowShape of a stack on Windows
I tried to do that too, but I don't think I had the right kind of image.
How do you make a masked image? I'm not entirely straight on what an
alpha mask is.
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Scott Rossi wrote:
Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:
I tried to do that too, but I don't think I had the right kind of image.
How do you make a masked image? I'm not entirely straight on what an
alpha mask is.
Ever create a transparent GIF? That image has a mask that determines which
Yates, Glen wrote:
Wow, your long version looks like a pain to implement. I came into this
thread late so forgive me if this has already been suggested, but have you
tried using 'on playStopped' to string your sounds together.
I forgot all about playstopped. I think I like your suggestion
The new windowshape property is really, really super cool. I'm
impressed.
I did run into a problem though and would like verification before I bug
report it. I imported an image, set the windowshape, added a card
script, and saved the stack. No problem. Tinkered some more, saved
repeatedly. No
Shari wrote:
As this is for compiling on Mac, OSX and Windows, a resource fork is out.
You'll need three different standalones, one for each platform. Since
the Mac versions will only run on Macs, having a resource fork is not a
problem. MetaCard will always create a resource fork for a Mac
I put a copy of MetaCard/Linnux in my web site cgi-bin directory along
with the echo.mt script (server is running Red Hat.) I am getting this error:
Premature end of script headers: /usr/local/apache/cgi-bin/echo.mt
mc: error in loading shared libraries: libXext.so.6: cannot open shared
object
andu wrote:
There are only 2 things you can do: ask the provider to create 2 dummy
files in /usr/lib - libXext.so.6and libX11.so.6 since MC only checks
for their presence, or try an other provider.
Thanks Andu, you've saved me a lot of headache. I'll check with my
provider. They are usually
Gregory Lypny wrote:
Hi again everyone,
I can't seem to create a series of variables whose names are
identical except for a numerical prefix, such as H1, H2, H3, ... (and
this is not an associate array).
I tried
repeat with i=1 to 10
Put
Shari wrote:
Saving as... into a separate file. I don't use this option. I want
to save as as a new, separate file, not close my current file and
end up working in the new file.
Put this script somewhere in the hierarchy (your Home stack, or a script
you have inserted, or in a stack put in
Scott Rossi wrote:
MetaCard won't evaluate any custom functions from the message box, only
the built-in functions. It took me a while to figure that out too.
Actually, it can. Entering the name of the function in the message box will
return any values within the message box itself;
Shari wrote:
Very nice! I will use this well :-)
Can I be a dream-something too now?
;)
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Richard Herz wrote:
You can access functions normally from the message box if you first start
using the stack containing the function definitions.
Even if they are in the topstack you are working on? That's usually the
case when I try to test a function I've just written.
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Scott Rossi wrote:
Can true and false be converted into their numeric equivalents (1/0)?
The perfect chance to post one of my favorite handlers. Wish I'd written it:
function whichOne var,fld1,fld2
-- from a handler by Tony Root
-- Handles a case where you need to return one value if your
Klaus Major wrote:
One has to check all the available effects, choose one or more, store
it/them (see below)
and use it later in a script...
Hm. That's what I did yesterday and it didn't work. I did it again today
and it does work. So I must have done something stupid late at night.
Wouldn't
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Try this (which knowledge of one or two already helped me find):
answer effect
answer (base64Decode(char 82 to 89 of it))
You 'bout one smart cookie. :) I can see a couple of hundred people
pasting this into their script libraries -- it works great.
In the two
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This one will find the difference areas between two effect descriptions- this
nails down about where you can find the actual parameter values. This is
useful if you choose the same effect twice with the same parameters, but
choose two different values. Presumably you
Shari wrote:
Just wanted to take the time to say that I've really fallen in love
with Metacard. The many features that take it way beyond
Hypercard... and allow me to do things in a wondrous new way.
I think that's pretty much the case with everyone who gives it a fair
shot. The same thing
Shari wrote:
I set the memory lower than I knew the stack normally used, and lo
and behold, the visual effects were fixed.
Can someone explain this one logically? I am utterly baffled.
MetaCard doesn't use memory the way most MacOS 9 apps do, it uses memory
the way other operating systems
Shari wrote:
Can an embedded stack in a standalone save to itself? Or does the
stack need to be OUTSIDE of the main stack... ie, not embedded?
The stack needs to be outside in its own file on disk, independent of
the main stack. All substacks are saved into the same file on disk, and
so
Shari wrote:
The quit command is hanging in my standalones.
I have a menu item Quit and a button Quit. Both have the same script:
case Quit
global saveMe
save stack saveMe # an external stack, not embedded, used to save the
data changes in the standalone
quit
break
It just
I'm back to playing with mt scripts. I am now getting a premature end
of script headers error when I try to run the echo.mt script. I also
see (8)Exec format error at the same time. Any ideas what would cause
that? I made sure line endings were Unix style and permissions were 755.
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Is there a way to embed an mt script into a web page the way JavaScript
does it? I'd like to include the output from an mt scipt as an insertion
into an html document, without having to rebuild the entire document in
the mt script -- in other words, have the browser handle it. Can that be
On 4/20/02 6:12 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
You will just have to declare
the .mt extention in the httpd config file and to rename the
.html files you want to have server-side parsed by mc as
.mt. This way will allow you to do in using mc far all what can be
done in using
On 4/21/02 3:39 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Is MC available and running on your ISP's server ? If no, just switch to
PHP4 : it's a very usefull and elegant web-dedicaced scripting language.
If yes, it must be a way to have .mt html files fine parsable without
modifiing the httpd.conf file,
open file blabla for reading
Should be: open file blabla for read
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Tariel Gogoberidze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I would use MouseMove I still need to put condition if the mouse is
Down and we are back to square one.
I am writing a web page that explains how to avoid that, and how to use
the moveMove message instead of a repeat loop. It isn't linked
On 4/23/02 4:40 PM, erik hansen wrote:
this is very useful. if your tutotials were on a
shareware basis, it would let you put more time
into filling the need for more documentation.
You know, I have released only one shareware product ever, maybe 12-14
years ago. It received about a thousand
On 4/24/02 1:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you very much for your script sample. I implemented it with one minor
change I needed. When I tried your code whenever I tried dragging a button
on my card a different object (part of a group) would move instead. I had
to change your code
On 4/28/02 10:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
So far, MC REV do not run within Web browsers. You can build Web enabled
stacks and use MC/REV as a helper application for a browser, but you can't
run MC/REV embedded within a browser.
I have (maybe) discovered a work-around for this problem. Some
On 4/29/02 2:10 PM, andu wrote:
I'm a little confused about the use of embedded and would be nice if
you could do a demo web page with the above.
From what I understand, the display doesn't go beyond the html
possibilities unlike a java implementation which would allow for custom
erik hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
is there a way to program individual musical
notes in MC?
You must have missed the discussion with Scott about this on the
HyperCard list -- the short answer is, no. The long answer is: it
could be done if someone were willing to learn the MIDI file
On 5/1/02 1:39 PM, jbv wrote:
IMHO turning Javascript off is not a really good idea, because it also
turns off a wide range of possibilities for dynamic content in HTML
pages.
Yes, but turning it off prevents popup and popunder ad windows from
displaying. I hate those. Now that I have
On 6/25/02 5:30 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
My understanding of wait for messages was the opposite, that it was
designed to allow asynchronous behavior. Is there a way to use it to suspend
script execution and event messages while waiting for an upload to complete?
Would this work:
repeat
On 6/27/02 7:02 PM, Shari wrote:
But if you are creating a standalone to distribute, a password is a bad
thing. The objective is to create a program, to distribute, but have
whatever data you want hidden to remain that way even if someone tries
to get into it. It is easier to break
On 7/7/02 3:33 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
Jacque,
I'm running XP, and the file paths don't seem to be any different than Win2K
(my previous OS). What are you trying to locate on disk?
Unfortunately, I'm trying to do long-distance debugging on a stack I
haven't seen yet. The script just opens a
I'm unable to get the PPC versions of MC 2.4.2 and 2.4.3g to run in the
Classic layer in MacOS 10.1.5. Can anyone else, or is it just me? MC
2.3.2 runs okay in Classic.
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On 7/24/02 8:28 PM, Richard MacLemale wrote:
I'm trying to write a darwin mt script that will write info to a field in a
stack. Only it's not working. I can read info from a stack, but can't
write to it.
I was trying to do something similar a while back -- use find to
search stack fields
On 8/2/02 4:38 PM, Ray Horsley wrote:
I've written a spell checker with all the things one would expect to find.
It has just one problem: I can't highlight a misspelled word while bringing
up a second stack as a modal
You could set the backcolor of the text chunk. It looks like hiliting
On 8/30/02 3:12 PM, Shari wrote:
I want to hide/show menu buttons when entering a card.
Is this just so that you can change the menus on the fly? I haven't
tested either one, but I can think of a couple of things to try.
First you could try just re-naming the button rather than hiding it,
On 8/31/02 9:57 AM, Shari wrote:
Hi Shari:
Try making different manubar sets and select the one you want on
preOpenCard.
Very high maintenance.
Actually, after I posted, I noticed you only need to change the menus
when a card opens. In that case, I think the alternate menu groups idea
On 8/31/02 9:57 AM, Shari wrote:
I had considered having a menubar for each card for this project, but as
several of the same menu buttons are on each card, one change would mean
many changes.
I forgot to address this point. The buttons in each menu group which are
duplicated across
On 8/31/02 3:18 PM, Shari wrote:
I put a handler in called updateMenus to run when moving to a card that
changes the menubar.
The gist of it is to suspend the stack, and then resume it. And it does
work. The menubar does update.
No need to do it that way though. I just set up a test:
On 8/31/02 3:18 PM, Shari wrote:
I put a handler in called updateMenus to run when moving to a card that
changes the menubar.
I spoke too soon again. A better way is set the menubar of this stack
to blah instead of using defaultmenubar. While setting the default
menubar does work, it
On 9/4/02 2:26 PM, Ray G. Miller wrote:
Doesn't do it. Not in MOS 9.2. Is this a feature of MOS X?
The scrollWheel works fine in all other apps under 9.2 tho.
Yeah, OS X only.
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On 9/5/02 9:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm trying to access snd files (installed into stacks with ResEdit on a Mac)
randomly.
I tried accessing them using the snd id numbers but it doesn't seem to like
that. Is there any way to access snd files other than to refer to them by the
On 9/10/02 3:56 PM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
The special German characters for a, o, and u with dots on top of them -
the so-called Umlaute - are preserved in texts and as names of objects
when the stacks are transferred from the Mac platform to Windows (of
course we have learned that you should
On 9/11/02 8:19 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Why do you use effective filename instead of just filename??
If the stack is a substack, it doesn't have a filename of its own and
the filename returns empty. The effective filename returns the path
of any stack, even a substack, where the name
On 9/19/02 9:40 AM, Shari wrote:
These are supposed to be simple, white, Option style buttons. This
shouldn't be a big hairy thing!
You may need to set the colors of this stack to the colors of stack
home. You only need to do this once during development. When you save a
stack for the
On 9/19/02 1:20 PM, Shari wrote:
LOTS of testing. I tested this program extensively, every single link,
every menu item, every button, every combination of options, before
compiling. Then, I compiled it. And started testing ALL OVER AGAIN.
You can usually skip the compiling part and
Shari wrote:
The update mac menubar handler I posted here recently fails in a standalone.
You cannot do anything in a standalone that tampers with a script.
Standalones are just stacks with embedded starter kits, and so are
limited to 10-line scripts. Pre-existing longer scripts are fine,
On 9/28/02 12:24 PM, Ray Horsley wrote:
I've encountered two issues in making my Windows App.
The first one is doing something about Window's propensity to open a second
copy of my App if it's double-clicked again after a first copy is already
running (instead of the Mac's more reasonable
On 9/29/02 3:19 PM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
Is there a possibility to convert the pasted card to get rid of the
Hypertalk terminology (apart from rebuilding the card from scratch by
creating a new card with new controls and new scripts)?
Set the hcaddressing of this stack to false
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On 9/29/02 3:07 PM, Scott Raney wrote:
I think what is required here is an attitude adjustment rather than
some sort of engineering change. Repeat after me: Windows is not
MacOS. Starting up multiple copies of an app is the the way it's
*supposed* to work if that's what the user wants. If
On 10/25/02 10:07 AM, Shari wrote:
I've checked things out with the different lookAndFeel preferences
settings in general, to see how things look on other platforms, and I've
not seen these colored jelly bean buttons.
Do they exist in Metacard? And if not, is there any way to create them?
On 10/25/02 5:37 PM, erik hansen wrote:
stack metacard menu bar contains substacks like
control browser script debugger.
exists(stack script debugger)
returns true
put the rect of (stack script debugger)
returns can't find object
is there a way to position open these substacks
in a startup
I have a MetaCard cgi script on my local network (OS X) that puts a
stack in use. It works fine as long as the stack is in the
CGI-Executables folder. What I want to do is keep the stack outside the
cgi folder but still readable by the cgi script, so that the data
returned by the script is
On 10/26/02 4:55 PM, andu wrote:
Not sure what server you are using but for Apache there is a config file
directive:
Yes, Apache.
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /my-directory/cgi-bin/
Directory /my-directory/cgi-bin
AllowOverride None
Options None
Order allow,deny
Allow
On 10/26/02 4:57 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Did you try in inverting the problem, by letting the stack in the cgi
folder and putting an alias of it in your user folder ?
I didn't try it, though I thought of it. But I usually only back up my
user folder, so I like to keep all my files in there
On 10/26/02 6:09 PM, andu wrote:
So you want to have the stack at hand not the cgi script? Make sure you
have the correct path to the stack and it should work. The only other
thing that comes to mind is, you might need an engine where the stack is...
Right, I want the script in the cgi folder
On 10/26/02 6:29 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
On 10/26/02 6:09 PM, andu wrote:
So you want to have the stack at hand not the cgi script? Make sure
you have the correct path to the stack and it should work.
Wait -- it works. I found a stupid mistake in the file path. Funny how
using the right
Has anyone figured out how to copy a Mac OS X application? The usual
way, copying the data fork and the resource fork, doesn't seem to work.
Actually, they don't even have resource forks.
The bundle structure seems to be the culprit. I tried copying each of these:
On 10/29/02 4:51 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Did you try this in a terminal ?
cp -R /theselectedpath/Ressources/ /thedestinationpath/Ressources/
-R is the recursive option.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I need to copy the application in
a script. For most files, I can use:
put url
you need to use applescript (and don't forget about use
colon-delimited paths).
Thanks Ken, that helps a lot -- and I would have forgotten about the
colons if you hadn't mentioned it. Just knowing I need to use
AppleScript saved me hours. I haven't tried it in MetaCard yet, but in
the Script
I'm popping up a stack under the cursor to simulate a contextual menu.
The stack pops up over an editable field, so the cursor is initially an
I-beam when the stack appears. I can't get the cursor to change to an
arrow while it is over the menu stack. I've tried setting the cursor
when the
On 11/4/02 11:56 AM, Bill Burman wrote:
I had this same persistent I-beam cursor problem if I was opening a
substack over a mainstack - above a card with an unlocked field. The only
thing I could come up with was temporarily locking the text of all fields
in the main stack before topleveling the
On 11/7/02 6:33 PM, Shari wrote:
Something presumably
in Metacard unsets the front and back scripts if you leave the stack or
program.
That seems unlikely to me, though there may really be a bug. But the
entire MetaCard UI itself is all frontscripts and backscripts, and it
doesn't act that
On 11/8/02 3:54 PM, Shari wrote:
I still wonder if it's just another menu btn, why not just insert code
to change it or hide it, as I would any other menu btn?
It isn't a button. It's set by the OS, and is part of the system menus.
I haven't tried it, but it seems to me that an OS X
On 11/9/02 8:45 PM, Shari wrote:
Does OSX match Windows now, in needing filename extensions?
I'm guessing not, as my beta testers had no trouble accessing the
program and associated files. But I wonder... is it moving in that
direction?
It isn't moving, it is a done deal. Extensions are
On 11/16/02 12:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just tried out MC 2.5A8, and the debugging is great! However, my machine
has crashed twice. Also Cmd-O often tries to open a stack rather Step Over
in the debugging process.
I'm seeing the same thing, I reported it. The problem happens when
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