Re: [Metamath] Full 'minimize' run on set.mm

2020-02-13 Thread Benoit
David: yes, ~bisymOLD and ~bi3antOLD should have both discouragement tags. I'm away from my main computer... can you add them ? Actually, most *OLD and *ALT should probably have both discouragement tags as well, it seems ? Thanks, Benoît On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 9:13:39 AM UTC+1,

Re: [Metamath] Re: RFC: Mandatory definitions after constants

2020-02-13 Thread Mario Carneiro
I realize that it seems especially inconvenient that moving df-gsum back requires moving df-0g back too. But this better reflects the reality, because df-gsum not allowed to refer to constants defined after cgsum anyway (to prevent cycles), and placing df-gsum much further along just makes this

Re: [Metamath] Full 'minimize' run on set.mm

2020-02-13 Thread Norman Megill
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 9:25:42 AM UTC-5, Benoit wrote: > > David: yes, ~bisymOLD and ~bi3antOLD should have both discouragement > tags. I'm away from my main computer... can you add them ? > > Actually, most *OLD and *ALT should probably have both discouragement tags > as well, it

Re: [Metamath] Full 'minimize' run on set.mm

2020-02-13 Thread 'Alexander van der Vekens' via Metamath
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 5:06:27 PM UTC+1, Norman Megill wrote: > > On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 9:25:42 AM UTC-5, Benoit wrote: >> >> David: yes, ~bisymOLD and ~bi3antOLD should have both discouragement >> tags. I'm away from my main computer... can you add them ? >> >> Actually,

Re: [Metamath] Updated "jobs" scripts available for full 'minimize' run on set.mm

2020-02-13 Thread heiphohmia via Metamath
"David A. Wheeler" wrote: > I've just posted an updated "jobs" system if you want to do > big-scale minimization, especially if you're using a number of cores. > > This version supports disjoint sets of jobs, e.g., you can now say: > scripts/jobs 112 125-132 144-151 > That means the API has

Re: [Metamath] Full 'minimize' run on set.mm

2020-02-13 Thread Mario Carneiro
I'm trying out 123 and 124 for now using AWS. I might be able to scale up depending on the results. On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 4:51 PM David Starner wrote: > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 2:28 PM Norman Megill wrote: > > > > Here is an update of current commitments as of Feb. 13, 17:30 EST : > > > >

Re: [Metamath] Re: RFC: Mandatory definitions after constants

2020-02-13 Thread Mario Carneiro
Most of the definitions don't need to be moved up, only the "structural" ones that are required for actually defining the content of the new slot. df-gsum is unfortunate because it is a relatively complex definition that is also a dependency for the slot, but if you can write the slot without any

Re: [Metamath] Full 'minimize' run on set.mm

2020-02-13 Thread Norman Megill
Here is an update of current commitments as of Feb. 13, 17:30 EST : 101 Alexander 102 heiphohmia 103-111 David Starner 112 David A. Wheeler 113-124 UNASSIGNED 125-132 David A. Wheeler 133-134 UNASSIGNED 135-143 David Starner 144-151 David A. Wheeler 152-160 UNASSIGNED Thierry has volunteered

[Metamath] Updated "jobs" scripts available for full 'minimize' run on set.mm

2020-02-13 Thread David A. Wheeler
I've just posted an updated "jobs" system if you want to do big-scale minimization, especially if you're using a number of cores. This version supports disjoint sets of jobs, e.g., you can now say: scripts/jobs 112 125-132 144-151 That means the API has changed, but I think it's for the better.

Re: [Metamath] Full 'minimize' run on set.mm

2020-02-13 Thread David Starner
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 2:28 PM Norman Megill wrote: > > Here is an update of current commitments as of Feb. 13, 17:30 EST : > > 101 Alexander > 102 heiphohmia > 103-111 David Starner > 112 David A. Wheeler > 113-124 UNASSIGNED > 125-132 David A. Wheeler > 133-134 UNASSIGNED > 135-143 David

Re: [Metamath] Full 'minimize' run on set.mm

2020-02-13 Thread Norman Megill
I worked out an estimate (in hours) for jobs 133-160 based on the theory that the time to save a compressed proof is proportional to the run time of 'minimize'. Here's how it compares so far, assuming a CPU taking about 30 sec for the 3atlem4 minimization. I'll keep this updated as the logs

Re: [Metamath] Full 'minimize' run on set.mm

2020-02-13 Thread David Starner
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 6:47 PM David A. Wheeler wrote: > David S.: what kind of computer are you using? Some laptop temperature > sensors do not work properly, and in general laptops are not designed to > sustain computation at maximum for a long time. It is possible that the > segfaults are

Re: [Metamath] Full 'minimize' run on set.mm

2020-02-13 Thread heiphohmia via Metamath
Okay, I will hold off on 123 and 124. Mario Carneiro wrote: > I'm trying out 123 and 124 for now using AWS. I might be able to scale up > depending on the results. > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 4:51 PM David Starner wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 2:28 PM Norman Megill wrote: > > > > > >

Re: [Metamath] Full 'minimize' run on set.mm

2020-02-13 Thread Norman Megill
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 7:51:53 PM UTC-5, David Starner wrote: > > > I had a couple > unexplained segmentation faults, on job105 and job135. I restarted > job105 and it ran to completion; I haven't tried restarting 135 yet. > I'll restart 135 and actually start 137, and take 133, 134,

Re: [Metamath] Re: RFC: Mandatory definitions after constants

2020-02-13 Thread Benoit
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 5:46:36 PM UTC+1, Mario Carneiro wrote: > > That said, I think it would still be better to move all definitions needed > for df-prds before it. This is a downside of the "everything structure" > approach, but it does not displace too many definitions. We can

Re: [Metamath] Full 'minimize' run on set.mm

2020-02-13 Thread Giovanni Mascellani
Hi, Il 13/02/20 01:13, Norman Megill ha scritto: > Per request of Giovanni (see > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/metamath/uSa8Q0fWKeM/9dDcUM-DCwAJ ) I > also did the following.  I assume this is still desired? > >    git commit -m'Release version 0.181.' >    git tag v0.181 >    git