[meteorite-list] Yet another Queensland meteorite find repatriated home

2010-04-21 Thread Bob WALKER
Listoids

Another Queensland meteorite find repatriated back home where it deserves
to be with all it's mates !

Found 1978 2km north of Mussel Waterhole (100 miles west of Longreach,
QUEENSLAND)

Likely H chondrite 117.2 g - UNCLASSIFIED

One jpg uploaded at http://qmig.net/Mussel Waterhole.jpg for your viewing
pleasure - I'll update my website sooner or later with some more jpgs

By God it's nice to repatriate another Queenslander back home where it had
yearned to be with all it's mates !

If you can assist with repatriating any unclassified Queenslanders -
please contact me off-list

Cheers

http://www.qmig.net/
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Re: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award Wisconsin

2010-04-21 Thread Brian Cox
Dirk is correct in his post. If you recall an article by a writer on Sunday, 
I believe from the Madison Wisconsin paper, where she states and quotes a 
professor and scientist at the U of Wisconsin at Madison who was accepting 
specimens

and telling farmers to "not trust" the meteorite collectors because they
would buy them and sell them at a higher price.

This of course is apparently biased on the part of the U of W, probably 
where the girl went to school. I personally don't trust a lot of people up 
there.
People are friendly in Wisconsin, but they are friendly everywhere, 
depending on their nature and you have to take each with a grain of salt so 
to speak. 


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Re: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award Wisconsin

2010-04-21 Thread Brian Cox
Mineral Point is the largest town East of Livingston and a big town for 
tourists to visit and stay in for surrounding tourist attractions. They used 
it basically in the article since most people in Wisconsin, nor in Illinois, 
nor Iowa have any idea where Livingston is since it only has 697 people or 
so and certainly no one in the rest of the US or outside the US have ever 
heard of Livingston, Wisconsin. I have friends that I visited in Iowa 
county, the county where Mineral Pt. is,  for 15 years and never heard of 
it, but have been through Mineral Point.


I could tell you were Alice Springs is at in Australia and Mt. Fuji is in 
Japan and where the Seychelles and The Maldives are, but no idea where 
Livingston is if I hadn't heard of it since April 14th.


Livingston and the surrounding area is a spot on the road if you ask the 
guys that are out there. They go up to Dodgeville to get gas even. The 
article used it as a reference point since that entire Southwest corner of 
Wisconsin is mostly farmland, grazing and some woods. The specimen the man 
is holding looks exactly like all the other specimens that have been found 
this past week, about 2 dozen, roughly. Madison WI is the largest town in 
the area where the University of Wisconsin is, the largest university in the 
area. Racine, Wisconsin is a smaller city along Lake Michigan just south of 
Milwaukee. It could be worth a couple of thousand USDs depending on how much 
is found and the demand for this meteorite. 


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[meteorite-list] NASA's Solar Dynamic Observatory -- First Images

2010-04-21 Thread Sterling K. Webb

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/21apr_firstlight/

First light for NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory,
first still images, first movies. They will blow you
away.

OK, not meteorite-related? Well, what do you
think meteorites are made of? (And planets
and you?)

Mostly I post this for its sheer "eye candy" value.
Broadband is needed if you want to download or
watch the HD movies (2 Mb up to 30 Mb). Some
of the most spectacular astronomic images I've
ever seen.

Take a look.


Sterling K. Webb

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Capsule Set to Crash

2010-04-21 Thread drtanuki
Dear List,
  Interesting news about a scheduled crash return of some rocks from space to 
happen in June 2010 in Australia:

Meteor/Meteorite News 22APR2010
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/

Meteorite  capsule to crash

Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo

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[meteorite-list] The Week in Wisconsin

2010-04-21 Thread Ruben Garcia
Hi all,

Here I am in a motel room somewhere in Topeka KS, reflecting on the
past week and I realized that I need to thank a few standout
individuals.  First of all, thanks to Marc Fries and Rob Matson who
always give us the best information possible which in turn makes our
job easier. Thanks also to my entire team who worked tirelessly to
recover stones and then selflessly shared all their data. But thanks
most of all to Larry Atkins who knocked on more doors than all others
combined to secure the most fertile hunting grounds and to Mike Bandli
who led us in the right direction with his mobile computer/maps.
Without these two stars I venture to say our team would have found far
fewer specimens!

I just added pictures and articles to my site about this fall -
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/wisconsinmeteoritehunt.htm

-- 
Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
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[meteorite-list] shill bidding on ebay

2010-04-21 Thread W&S Schroer

Hi list,
this is off topic. But then again, can anything be off topic that relates to 
ebay? ;)


http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/ebay-seller-faces-fines-after-bidding-on-own-items-to-raise-prices-20100421-szqp.html


'A British seller on eBay who drove up prices for his own goods by secretly 
bidding for them faces fines of up to £50,000 ($83,000).
Paul Barrett also used a second account on the internet auction site to post 
positive feedback. The company said the case, the first prosecution of its 
kind in Britain, was a clear warning against the practice of ''shill 
bidding'' to bump up prices.
Mr Barrett, 39, who runs a minibus hire firm, admitted 10 charges of false 
bidding for items ranging from a Range Rover to a pie and pasty warmer.
He was caught after a separate complaint over false mileage on a minibus 
prompted an investigation by local trading standards officers.
Magistrates in Skipton, Yorkshire, were told that Mr Barrett had set up an 
account with the user name Shanconpaul. But he placed bids using a different 
identity, Paulthebusman.
A local trading standards officer, Claire McKinley, said the ploy had 
increased the price of dozens of items, including mobile phones, a cash 
register and a Mercedes car.
''He raised the price and left positive feedback on his own eBay site, 
leading buyers to believe his reputation was better than was the case,'' Ms 
McKinley said.
Mr Barrett said he did not realise he was breaking the law. ''eBay let me 
open the second account and I gave all my personal details and home address 
to do so,'' he told the magistrate.
''I realised the price was too low on some things and put the prices up 
using the second account. I've never been in trouble before and would like 
to apologise.''
Under regulations introduced after growing complaints about internet fraud, 
each offence can carry a fine of up to £5000.
A North Yorkshire trading standards official, Jo Boutflower, said: ''We hope 
this case is a wake-up call to people who trade on eBay, or other auction 
sites. Some people do this either themselves or by getting friends and 
family to bid on their items. They may not think they're doing anything 
wrong but actually they are breaking the law.''
Vanessa Canzini, head of corporate communications for eBay in Europe, said: 
''Shill bidding is illegal and it is important for people to understand that 
there is not, nor has there ever been, room for illegal activity on our 
site.
''[This case] acts as a strong deterrent to the small minority who attempt 
to use our site inappropriately.''

The case was adjourned for sentencing on 21 May.'

Cheers
Werner Schroer 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite that hit Northwest Georgia unveiled

2010-04-21 Thread Julian Gray
Mike et al.

I can respond to this.  I am the curator at Tellus Science Museum where the
new chondrite will be exhibited beginning tomorrow - 22 April.  I am new to
the list, but joined to (A) connect with you fine folks, (B) monitor the
response and (C) to answer questions like these if I can.

Why is the meteorite not classified? We are working on getting it
classified.  The stone fell in March 2009.  It wasn't until August that we
first heard of and saw the stone.  It took another eight agonizing months to
get the stone in the museum.  In the process we lost 13 months, a fact that
I am painfully aware of.  Patience.

I hope that this helps.

And yes, it is a magnificent stone!  I took another round of photos today
and will get them posted somewhere and notify everyone.

Cheers everyone
Julian Gray
Curator
Tellus Science Museum
Cartersville, Georgia
www.tellusmuseum.org

-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic
Stone & Ironworks
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:42 PM
To: Greg Stanley
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite that hit Northwest Georgia unveiled

Hi Greg and List,

The article says the meteorite is an "ordinary chondrite".  Is there
any official word on what exact type of OC?

I wonder why some institutions wait so long to obtain an official
classification?  Is it because they don't want to surrender a type
sample and aren't recognized by the MS to do their own
classifications?  Why wait so long when the meteorite has been
confirmed?

Best regards,

MikeG


On 4/21/10, Greg Stanley  wrote:
>
> List:
>
> What a beauty - and a hammer too.
>
> Greg S.
>
>
>
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/apr/21/meteorite-that-hit-northwest-
georgia-unveiled/
>
>
>
> Meteorite that hit Northwest Georgia unveiled
>
> By: Andy Johns
>
>
> CARTERSVILLE, Ga. -- A meteorite older than Earth itself, traveling
millions
> of miles through space before blowing through an attic in Northwest
Georgia,
> was unveiled Tuesday morning at the Tellus Science Museum.
>
> "It's sort of interesting to ponder the journey this meteorite might have
> had," said museum curator Julian Gray.
>
> Experts estimate the half-pound, peach-sized space rock was traveling
> between 50,000 and 70,000 mph when it entered the atmosphere on March 1,
> 2009. They estimate it was still moving at 200 to 300 miles per hour when
it
> punctured a roof, bounced off of a joist, punched through a drywall
ceiling
> and landed in a bedroom in a Cartersville home around 11 p.m. that night.
>
> "I would suggest we all look at the fine print in our (insurance) policy,"
> joked Jose Santamaria, executive director for the museum.
>
> Held in a special airtight case, the meteorite will go on display at the
> museum Thursday.
>
> Staff photo by Andy Johns
> This meteorite crashed through the roof of a Cartersville home in March
2009
> and will be on display at the Tellus Science Museum.
>
> Officials at the museum said testing on the rock place its age at about
4.6
> billion years old. Scientists generally estimate that the Earth is 4.5
> billion years old.
>
> No one was home when the space rock fell from the sky, but a neighbor
> reported hearing a sonic boom. The homeowner, who brought the rock to
Tellus
> in August, wishes to remain anonymous and museum officials declined to
> discuss the location of the find.
>
> Mr. Gray said the meteorite's discoverer was not sure exactly what the
rock
> was.
>
> "The first thought was that kids were throwing rocks through the window,"
he
> said.
>
> After noticing the hole in the roof, the homeowner thought the rock might
be
> from a quarry blast.
>
> Once the find was brought to the museum, it didn't take the staff long to
> determine its cosmic origins.
>
> "I think I identified it before I touched it," said Dave Gheesling, a
> founding member of the Georgia Meteorite Association.
>
> METEORITE AT A GLANCE
>
> * Weight: 294 grams, or about half a pound
>
> * Age: 4.567 billion years old
>
> * Speed at impact: 200 to 300 mph
>
> * Speed at entering atmosphere: 50,000 to 70,000 mph
>
> * Type: Ordinary chondrite
>
> * Contents: Iron, nickel, other elements
>
> Source: Tellus Science Museum
>
> Residents, especially around areas like Cartersville, where mining blasts
> are common, bring Mr. Gheesling more than 1,000 "meteorwrongs" every year.
> The stones are usually river rocks, iron ore or metal slag mistaken to be
> from outer space.
>
> The Cartersville rock, thought to have originated in the asteroid belt
> between Mars and Jupiter, is the 25th meteorite found in Georgia.
>
> Mr. Gheesling said the rock is a little larger than most of the meteorites
> he's seen, but documented specimens range from 60 tons to the size of an
> English pea.
>
> The Cartersville meteorite probably lost a good bit of its mass as it
burned
> through Earth's atmosphere and other fragment

Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?

2010-04-21 Thread Warren Sansoucie

Joe/ Greg / List,
 
I agree. I believe that is what the potential buyer was implying. 
 
However, I think he(potential buyer) should have been appreciative for the fact 
that the seller was showing documentation and conveyance from the former 
collection. All of the things that sure up confidence in the authenticity of 
the specimen. It is obvious that the weights do not match. There was no cover 
up involved. 
 
I say don't worry about it, your response was appropriate. Almost too kind. 
This person obviously awoke this AM with a large poop in his Wheaties and took 
it out on you.
 
Warren Sansoucie


> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:25:34 -0700
> From: skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?
>
> Greg,
> I think what he(the potential buyer) was trying to say is that the piece of 
> documentation is not for the piece being sold, at least the weights being 
> different, which would make the documentation in the photo not 100% accurate 
> for the piece in the auction, even though it came from the piece that the 
> card was describing. that was my take on what the potential buyer was trying 
> to say. Maybe he just dont want to change the weight listed? who knows. I may 
> be wrong, but that was my take. I do not think he needed to say anything 
> about being banished. I think it is still a nice piece though.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Joe Kerchner
> http://illinoismeteorites.com
> http://skyrockcafe.com
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
> To: Greg Catterton 
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 8:12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?
>
> Hi Greg, Count and List,
>
> So what if Greg did break up the specimen? (even though he didn't)
>
> It's his property, he paid for it, he can do anything he wants with
> it. It's nobody else's business. Personally, I wouldn't smash, or
> break up into crumbs, a historical specimen, specimen that is very
> rare, has museum provenance, or other special provenance. The
> specimens that I cut up or break up into smaller micromounts are
> more-common pieces like ordinary chondrites, high TKW meteorites, etc.
> But, I have some very rare micromounts in my personal collection that
> I wouldn't have if someone else didn't make them small enough for me
> to afford. I could never afford a sizeable piece of Sylacauga,
> Lafayette, etc. Somebody had to generate some specks and crumbs - and
> that probably was the result of intentional reduction in some cases.
> If I am in the market for a micromount, I really don't care too much
> *how* it became a micromount - as long as it is genuine and the
> provenance is solid.
>
> As long as there is a market for specks and crumbs, larger pieces will
> be reduced. It's a simple fact of market dynamics. Almahatta Sitta
> is a good recent example - I've seen some specks for sale that are so
> tiny that static electricity could move them around. Somebody is
> buying them because they are getting bids on eBay - so there is a
> market for them. Has this buyer emailed those sellers and demanded
> they be removed from the IMCA? Why not search eBay and contact all
> sellers of micromounts and demand that they be disbarred? The Hupes
> are well-known (and liked) for reducing larger pieces into smaller
> pieces for collectors - they have probably reduced more rare types and
> falls than anyone. Why not demand their removal as well? Well, none
> of them should be removed or judged, because many low-budget
> collectors have benefited from this specimen reduction, including
> myself.
>
> The buyer that emailed Greg was being overly dramatic - but who am I
> to call anyone dramatic? LOL
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
>
> On 4/21/10, Greg Catterton wrote:
>> I think you mis read it. He called for my banishment.
>>
>> I just dont understand why there is such anger without knowing the story
>> behind the piece. Its got some interesting history since I have owned it.
>>
>> It was purchased by someone at the Johnson Space center. When it arrived
>> broken due to poor handling by USPS, It was returned to me and I provided
>> another sample and decided to sell the small fragments from the larger
>> fragment that got broke.
>> Its a nice story behind the sample.
>>
>> Greg Catterton
>> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
>> IMCA member 4682
>> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 4/21/10, countde...@earthlink.net 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From: countde...@earthlink.net 
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?
>>> To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" , "Greg
>>> Catterton" 
>>> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 8:13 PM
>>> He sounds hot for a nice specimen and
>>> pissed that this one was a bitshall we say small and
>>> unattractive...? I

Re: [meteorite-list] WI hunting photos

2010-04-21 Thread Joe Kerchner
Jason,
   I agree, I had a blast meeting all of you guys, it was a dream come true for 
me, even though I went home with less meteorites than I left with. I gave quite 
a few to landowners and the kids of land owners, but it was well worth it. 
Hopefully on the next one we will come out with a few nice finds.

 Best Wishes,
Joe Kerchner
http://illinoismeteorites.com
http://skyrockcafe.com



- Original Message 
From: Jason Phillips 
To: Joe Kerchner 
Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 6:18:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WI hunting photos

Hey Joe,
It was great meeting you in Wisconsin.  To bad we didn't find anything.

Take Care,
Jason Phillips
Rocks from Heaven
www.rocksfromheaven.com



--- On Wed, 4/21/10, Joe Kerchner  wrote:

> From: Joe Kerchner 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WI hunting photos
> To: "meteorite list" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 3:20 PM
> It was more than amazing, All the
> guys were just as amazing. I made pretty good friends with a
> few of them. This was a once in a lifetime chance for me,
> lets just hope I can make it out tot he next fall. I am sure
> I walked nearly 100 miles, maybe more.
> 
>  Best Wishes,
> Joe Kerchner
> http://illinoismeteorites.com
> http://skyrockcafe.com
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
> To: Joe Kerchner 
> Cc: meteorite list 
> Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 2:16:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WI hunting photos
> 
> Hi Joe,
> 
> Thanks for sharing the photos.  It looks like a fun
> time.   It must be
> amazing to be in the middle of the Meteorite All-Stars like
> that.
> Good luck on the hunt. :)
> 
> Best regards and happy huntings,
> 
> MikeG
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/21/10, Joe Kerchner 
> wrote:
> > Just got back last night from WI. I had the time of my
> life. I met some
> > really amazing people, people who I look up to and
> alwaye wanted to meet. I
> > posted some pictures of the hunt, some of the finds
> and others, many more
> > pics to come. It is a really hard fall to hunt, many
> thousands of acres to
> > hunt and some tough land, but the landowners were
> really nice and some even
> > joined us in our hunt.
> > Here is a link to see some of the photos:
> > http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1271479536/10#17
> >
> >  Best Wishes,
> > Joe Kerchner
> > http://illinoismeteorites.com
> > http://skyrockcafe.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> 
> -- 
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?

2010-04-21 Thread Joe Kerchner
Greg,
   I think what he(the potential buyer) was trying to say is that the piece of 
documentation is not for the piece being sold, at least the weights being 
different, which would make the documentation in the photo not 100% accurate 
for the piece in the auction, even though it came from the piece that the card 
was describing. that was my take on what the potential buyer was trying to say. 
Maybe he just dont want to change the weight listed? who knows. I may be wrong, 
but that was my take. I do not think he needed to say anything about being 
banished. I think it is still a nice piece though.

 Best Wishes,
Joe Kerchner
http://illinoismeteorites.com
http://skyrockcafe.com



- Original Message 
From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
To: Greg Catterton 
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 8:12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?

Hi Greg, Count and List,

So what if Greg did break up the specimen? (even though he didn't)

It's his property, he paid for it, he can do anything he wants with
it.  It's nobody else's business.  Personally, I wouldn't smash, or
break up into crumbs, a historical specimen, specimen that is very
rare, has museum provenance, or other special provenance.  The
specimens that I cut up or break up into smaller micromounts are
more-common pieces like ordinary chondrites, high TKW meteorites, etc.
But, I have some very rare micromounts in my personal collection that
I wouldn't have if someone else didn't make them small enough for me
to afford.  I could never afford a sizeable piece of Sylacauga,
Lafayette, etc.  Somebody had to generate some specks and crumbs - and
that probably was the result of intentional reduction in some cases.
If I am in the market for a micromount, I really don't care too much
*how* it became a micromount - as long as it is genuine and the
provenance is solid.

As long as there is a market for specks and crumbs, larger pieces will
be reduced.  It's a simple fact of market dynamics.  Almahatta Sitta
is a good recent example - I've seen some specks for sale that are so
tiny that static electricity could move them around.  Somebody is
buying them because they are getting bids on eBay - so there is a
market for them.  Has this buyer emailed those sellers and demanded
they be removed from the IMCA?  Why not search eBay and contact all
sellers of micromounts and demand that they be disbarred?  The Hupes
are well-known (and liked) for reducing larger pieces into smaller
pieces for collectors - they have probably reduced more rare types and
falls than anyone.  Why not demand their removal as well?  Well, none
of them should be removed or judged, because many low-budget
collectors have benefited from this specimen reduction, including
myself.

The buyer that emailed Greg was being overly dramatic - but who am I
to call anyone dramatic?  LOL

Best regards,

MikeG


On 4/21/10, Greg Catterton  wrote:
> I think you mis read it. He called for my banishment.
>
> I just dont understand why there is such anger without knowing the story
> behind the piece. Its got some interesting history since I have owned it.
>
> It was purchased by someone at the Johnson Space center. When it arrived
> broken due to poor handling by USPS, It was returned to me and I provided
> another sample and decided to sell the small fragments from the larger
> fragment that got broke.
> Its a nice story behind the sample.
>
> Greg Catterton
> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> IMCA member 4682
> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
>
>
> --- On Wed, 4/21/10, countde...@earthlink.net 
> wrote:
>
>> From: countde...@earthlink.net 
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?
>> To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" , "Greg
>> Catterton" 
>> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 8:13 PM
>> He sounds hot for a nice specimen and
>> pissed that this one was a bitshall we say small and
>> unattractive...? If you had a larger and more photogenic
>> piece he would have been hard pressed to turn it down. You
>> didn't miss a sale opportunity here, did you? I know some
>> customers lack social skills and act like jerks, but you've
>> been around enough to have a hard skin and keep your eye on
>> the game winner. A sale. Were just discussing this...I mean
>> no criticism..but, you did call for his banishment and I
>> disagree...stay cool, read between the lines and work these
>> types. Sometimes, with your patience and experience, they
>> get an epiphany and become a reliable source of revenue.
>>
>> Count Deiro
>> IMCA 3536
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
>> >Sent: Apr 21, 2010 7:37 PM
>> >To: Greg Catterton 
>> >Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known
>> to anyone?
>> >
>> >Hi Greg and List,
>> >
>> >Just don't tell him that I take a hammer and smash some
>> spe

Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?

2010-04-21 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks
Hi Greg, Count and List,

So what if Greg did break up the specimen? (even though he didn't)

It's his property, he paid for it, he can do anything he wants with
it.  It's nobody else's business.  Personally, I wouldn't smash, or
break up into crumbs, a historical specimen, specimen that is very
rare, has museum provenance, or other special provenance.  The
specimens that I cut up or break up into smaller micromounts are
more-common pieces like ordinary chondrites, high TKW meteorites, etc.
 But, I have some very rare micromounts in my personal collection that
I wouldn't have if someone else didn't make them small enough for me
to afford.  I could never afford a sizeable piece of Sylacauga,
Lafayette, etc.  Somebody had to generate some specks and crumbs - and
that probably was the result of intentional reduction in some cases.
If I am in the market for a micromount, I really don't care too much
*how* it became a micromount - as long as it is genuine and the
provenance is solid.

As long as there is a market for specks and crumbs, larger pieces will
be reduced.  It's a simple fact of market dynamics.  Almahatta Sitta
is a good recent example - I've seen some specks for sale that are so
tiny that static electricity could move them around.  Somebody is
buying them because they are getting bids on eBay - so there is a
market for them.  Has this buyer emailed those sellers and demanded
they be removed from the IMCA?  Why not search eBay and contact all
sellers of micromounts and demand that they be disbarred?  The Hupes
are well-known (and liked) for reducing larger pieces into smaller
pieces for collectors - they have probably reduced more rare types and
falls than anyone.  Why not demand their removal as well?  Well, none
of them should be removed or judged, because many low-budget
collectors have benefited from this specimen reduction, including
myself.

The buyer that emailed Greg was being overly dramatic - but who am I
to call anyone dramatic?  LOL

Best regards,

MikeG


On 4/21/10, Greg Catterton  wrote:
> I think you mis read it. He called for my banishment.
>
> I just dont understand why there is such anger without knowing the story
> behind the piece. Its got some interesting history since I have owned it.
>
> It was purchased by someone at the Johnson Space center. When it arrived
> broken due to poor handling by USPS, It was returned to me and I provided
> another sample and decided to sell the small fragments from the larger
> fragment that got broke.
> Its a nice story behind the sample.
>
> Greg Catterton
> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> IMCA member 4682
> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
>
>
> --- On Wed, 4/21/10, countde...@earthlink.net 
> wrote:
>
>> From: countde...@earthlink.net 
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?
>> To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" , "Greg
>> Catterton" 
>> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 8:13 PM
>> He sounds hot for a nice specimen and
>> pissed that this one was a bitshall we say small and
>> unattractive...? If you had a larger and more photogenic
>> piece he would have been hard pressed to turn it down. You
>> didn't miss a sale opportunity here, did you? I know some
>> customers lack social skills and act like jerks, but you've
>> been around enough to have a hard skin and keep your eye on
>> the game winner. A sale. Were just discussing this...I mean
>> no criticism..but, you did call for his banishment and I
>> disagree...stay cool, read between the lines and work these
>> types. Sometimes, with your patience and experience, they
>> get an epiphany and become a reliable source of revenue.
>>
>> Count Deiro
>> IMCA 3536
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
>> >Sent: Apr 21, 2010 7:37 PM
>> >To: Greg Catterton 
>> >Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known
>> to anyone?
>> >
>> >Hi Greg and List,
>> >
>> >Just don't tell him that I take a hammer and smash some
>> specimens into
>> >micromounts.  LOL
>> >
>> >He'd cry if he saw what I did to a slice of
>> Thuathe.  LOL
>> >
>> >Best regards,
>> >
>> >MikeG
>> >
>> >
>> >On 4/21/10, Greg Catterton 
>> wrote:
>> >> I got a very strange question today, out of the
>> blue that was kinda rude in
>> >> my opinion.
>> >> Anyone know this ebay user? philw3
>> >>
>> >> Check out the listing and see the question I got
>> from him. Please note there
>> >> was no previous contact. May be a good person to
>> add to the blocked buyers
>> >> list - I did.
>> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390176039170#description
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Greg Catterton
>> >> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
>> >> IMCA member 4682
>> >> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> __
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>> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/ma

Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?

2010-04-21 Thread Richard Kowalski
One person's damaged reject, is another person's prized newest specimen. My 
micro of Karoonda arrived in the mail today.

Thanks Greg!

--
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Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


--- On Wed, 4/21/10, Greg Catterton  wrote:

> From: Greg Catterton 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?
> To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" , 
> countde...@earthlink.net
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 5:51 PM
> I think you mis read it. He called
> for my banishment.
> 
> I just dont understand why there is such anger without
> knowing the story behind the piece. Its got some interesting
> history since I have owned it.
> 
> It was purchased by someone at the Johnson Space center.
> When it arrived broken due to poor handling by USPS, It was
> returned to me and I provided another sample and decided to
> sell the small fragments from the larger fragment that got
> broke.
> Its a nice story behind the sample.
> 
> Greg Catterton
> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> IMCA member 4682
> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/21/10, countde...@earthlink.net
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: countde...@earthlink.net
> 
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known
> to anyone?
> > To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" ,
> "Greg Catterton" 
> > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 8:13 PM
> > He sounds hot for a nice specimen and
> > pissed that this one was a bitshall we say small
> and
> > unattractive...? If you had a larger and more
> photogenic
> > piece he would have been hard pressed to turn it down.
> You
> > didn't miss a sale opportunity here, did you? I know
> some
> > customers lack social skills and act like jerks, but
> you've
> > been around enough to have a hard skin and keep your
> eye on
> > the game winner. A sale. Were just discussing this...I
> mean
> > no criticism..but, you did call for his banishment and
> I
> > disagree...stay cool, read between the lines and work
> these
> > types. Sometimes, with your patience and experience,
> they
> > get an epiphany and become a reliable source of
> revenue. 
> > 
> > Count Deiro
> > IMCA 3536
> >   
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
> > >Sent: Apr 21, 2010 7:37 PM
> > >To: Greg Catterton 
> > >Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user
> known
> > to anyone?
> > >
> > >Hi Greg and List,
> > >
> > >Just don't tell him that I take a hammer and smash
> some
> > specimens into
> > >micromounts.  LOL
> > >
> > >He'd cry if he saw what I did to a slice of
> > Thuathe.  LOL
> > >
> > >Best regards,
> > >
> > >MikeG
> > >
> > >
> > >On 4/21/10, Greg Catterton 
> > wrote:
> > >> I got a very strange question today, out of
> the
> > blue that was kinda rude in
> > >> my opinion.
> > >> Anyone know this ebay user? philw3
> > >>
> > >> Check out the listing and see the question I
> got
> > from him. Please note there
> > >> was no previous contact. May be a good person
> to
> > add to the blocked buyers
> > >> list - I did.
> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390176039170#description
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Greg Catterton
> > >> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> > >> IMCA member 4682
> > >> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> __
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >-- 
> >
> >
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> > Meteorites
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Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?

2010-04-21 Thread Greg Catterton
I think you mis read it. He called for my banishment.

I just dont understand why there is such anger without knowing the story behind 
the piece. Its got some interesting history since I have owned it.

It was purchased by someone at the Johnson Space center. When it arrived broken 
due to poor handling by USPS, It was returned to me and I provided another 
sample and decided to sell the small fragments from the larger fragment that 
got broke.
Its a nice story behind the sample.

Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites


--- On Wed, 4/21/10, countde...@earthlink.net  wrote:

> From: countde...@earthlink.net 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?
> To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" , "Greg Catterton" 
> 
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 8:13 PM
> He sounds hot for a nice specimen and
> pissed that this one was a bitshall we say small and
> unattractive...? If you had a larger and more photogenic
> piece he would have been hard pressed to turn it down. You
> didn't miss a sale opportunity here, did you? I know some
> customers lack social skills and act like jerks, but you've
> been around enough to have a hard skin and keep your eye on
> the game winner. A sale. Were just discussing this...I mean
> no criticism..but, you did call for his banishment and I
> disagree...stay cool, read between the lines and work these
> types. Sometimes, with your patience and experience, they
> get an epiphany and become a reliable source of revenue. 
> 
> Count Deiro
> IMCA 3536
>   
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
> >Sent: Apr 21, 2010 7:37 PM
> >To: Greg Catterton 
> >Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known
> to anyone?
> >
> >Hi Greg and List,
> >
> >Just don't tell him that I take a hammer and smash some
> specimens into
> >micromounts.  LOL
> >
> >He'd cry if he saw what I did to a slice of
> Thuathe.  LOL
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >MikeG
> >
> >
> >On 4/21/10, Greg Catterton 
> wrote:
> >> I got a very strange question today, out of the
> blue that was kinda rude in
> >> my opinion.
> >> Anyone know this ebay user? philw3
> >>
> >> Check out the listing and see the question I got
> from him. Please note there
> >> was no previous contact. May be a good person to
> add to the blocked buyers
> >> list - I did.
> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390176039170#description
> >>
> >>
> >> Greg Catterton
> >> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> >> IMCA member 4682
> >> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> __
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> >
> >
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> Meteorites
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Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?

2010-04-21 Thread countdeiro
He sounds hot for a nice specimen and pissed that this one was a bitshall 
we say small and unattractive...? If you had a larger and more photogenic piece 
he would have been hard pressed to turn it down. You didn't miss a sale 
opportunity here, did you? I know some customers lack social skills and act 
like jerks, but you've been around enough to have a hard skin and keep your eye 
on the game winner. A sale. Were just discussing this...I mean no 
criticism..but, you did call for his banishment and I disagree...stay cool, 
read between the lines and work these types. Sometimes, with your patience and 
experience, they get an epiphany and become a reliable source of revenue. 

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536
  

-Original Message-
>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
>Sent: Apr 21, 2010 7:37 PM
>To: Greg Catterton 
>Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?
>
>Hi Greg and List,
>
>Just don't tell him that I take a hammer and smash some specimens into
>micromounts.  LOL
>
>He'd cry if he saw what I did to a slice of Thuathe.  LOL
>
>Best regards,
>
>MikeG
>
>
>On 4/21/10, Greg Catterton  wrote:
>> I got a very strange question today, out of the blue that was kinda rude in
>> my opinion.
>> Anyone know this ebay user? philw3
>>
>> Check out the listing and see the question I got from him. Please note there
>> was no previous contact. May be a good person to add to the blocked buyers
>> list - I did.
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390176039170#description
>>
>>
>> Greg Catterton
>> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
>> IMCA member 4682
>> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?

2010-04-21 Thread Warren Sansoucie

LOL 'expelled from your society'. Thats a pretty stiff penalty. I think Mad 
Max had it easier when he had to face the wheel.
 
Warren Sansoucie


> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:37:44 -0400
> From: meteoritem...@gmail.com
> To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?
>
> Hi Greg and List,
>
> Just don't tell him that I take a hammer and smash some specimens into
> micromounts. LOL
>
> He'd cry if he saw what I did to a slice of Thuathe. LOL
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
>
> On 4/21/10, Greg Catterton wrote:
>> I got a very strange question today, out of the blue that was kinda rude in
>> my opinion.
>> Anyone know this ebay user? philw3
>>
>> Check out the listing and see the question I got from him. Please note there
>> was no previous contact. May be a good person to add to the blocked buyers
>> list - I did.
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390176039170#description
>>
>>
>> Greg Catterton
>> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
>> IMCA member 4682
>> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?

2010-04-21 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks
Hi Greg and List,

Just don't tell him that I take a hammer and smash some specimens into
micromounts.  LOL

He'd cry if he saw what I did to a slice of Thuathe.  LOL

Best regards,

MikeG


On 4/21/10, Greg Catterton  wrote:
> I got a very strange question today, out of the blue that was kinda rude in
> my opinion.
> Anyone know this ebay user? philw3
>
> Check out the listing and see the question I got from him. Please note there
> was no previous contact. May be a good person to add to the blocked buyers
> list - I did.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390176039170#description
>
>
> Greg Catterton
> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> IMCA member 4682
> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
>
>
>
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[meteorite-list] WISCONSIN METEORITE FALL

2010-04-21 Thread Michael Johnson
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/article_13248f4e-4d85-11df-8940-001cc4c002e0.html

Regards,
Michael Johnson
http://www.rocksfromspace.org
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[meteorite-list] Is this ebay user known to anyone?

2010-04-21 Thread Greg Catterton
I got a very strange question today, out of the blue that was kinda rude in my 
opinion.
Anyone know this ebay user? philw3

Check out the listing and see the question I got from him. Please note there 
was no previous contact. May be a good person to add to the blocked buyers list 
- I did. 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390176039170#description


Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
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Re: [meteorite-list] Remarkable Photos of Natural Shock Waves

2010-04-21 Thread ensoramanda
Hi Count, All,

Wow...Best shock wave pics I've seen...but probably not the first...see here...

 http://i.livescience.com/images/090622-matua-volcano-02.jpg (condensation 
shock collar plus local cloud driven out by shocked air) 
 
 http://news.discovery.com/earth/visible-shock-wave-rocks-japanese-volcano-in-sl
o-mo.html 

Regards

Graham,UK

 countde...@earthlink.net wrote: 
> Listees,
> 
> These photos are the believed to be the first taken of shockwaves cause by 
> the acceleration of terrestial material by natural forces. They speak to an 
> associative comparison with man made explosions and of course those that 
> might be created by an impactor. Fascinating. No?
> 
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c99_1271794490
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Having fun with an IMB and the Neophot

2010-04-21 Thread cdtucson
Tom.  I mis-spelled Pallasite. Oh well. I think people will know what I meant. 
Thanks.
--
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Meteoritemax


 starsinthed...@aol.com wrote: 
> Thanks Carl,  
>  
> Tom
>  
>  
> In a message dated 4/21/2010 12:47:50 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
> cdtuc...@cox.net writes:
> 
> Tom,  
> Once again. Fantastic. 
> That first set looks like a micro-mini  Pallesite. Very interesting because 
> had we never seen true pallesites we would  wonder if these micro-minis 
> scale up or only exist in micro-mini scale.   I guess they do now that you 
> have 
> shown us the mico-mini version?  Tom,  this is a real treat. Thanks Carl
> --
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> 
> 
>  starsinthed...@aol.com wrote: 
> >  Hi list,  It has been a while since I have  written an article for  
> > Meteorite Times (John is doing a great job with Micro   Visions!).  Paul 
> still hosts 
> > my micrograph gallery.  I  think it is  officially hosted by The 
> Meteorite 
> > Exchange and  Meteorite Times.   
> > 
> > Anyway,  we just got up a  cool addition.  It is a set of  micrographs 
> taken 
> > in  reflected light of an unclassified IMB.  There really  are some  
> > interesting images.  Iron flecks floating in melt glass,  desert  varnish 
> like you 
> > have never thought it could look like  and a metal sulfide  structure 
> that 
> > resembles a barred chondrule  (quite unlike any thing I have seen  
> before).
> > 
> > The link  is:  
> http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/articles/nwa-imb/
> >  
> > Also, if you  have not looked at the JaH 073 set I recently  posted, it 
> is 
> > also in high mag  reflected light.  
> >  
> > Trust me, these images are unlike the cross  polarized light  pass 
> through 
> > thin section images most common to the meteorite   world.  This technique 
> > gives a look at what the material  actually looks  like way up close.
> > 
> > Thanks for looking  and please let me know what you  think.
> > 
> > Tom  Phillips  
> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Portion of strewn field being hunted

2010-04-21 Thread Matson, Robert D.
Hi Steve,

Jason is correct about there always being far more small stones than
large ones, so the short end of the fall ellipse should have more
distinct meteorites per square mile than the long end. The only
aspect of Jason's post that could be called questionable was his
tentative assumption that hunters have actually been working the
"light" end.  (Note that he ~did~ qualify it with "they *may* be
at the light end")  As I posted a little earlier, I believe they
are hunting the middle, which is perfectly understandable since
that's where the initial finds were made.  When people don't know
the exact trend line, they are naturally hesitant to stray too far
uprange or downrange from known finds.  --Rob

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Witt
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:26 PM
To: Meteorite-list; Jason Utas
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nothing wrong with "just west of Mineral
Point"

Hi Jason,

If I may ask, what are you basing this on?

thanx,
Steve


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--- On Wed, 4/21/10, Jason Utas  wrote:

> From: Jason Utas 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nothing wrong with "just west of Mineral
Point"
> To: "Meteorite-list" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 1:54 PM

 Not really - with every 
> large, fragmented fall there are almost always more smaller rather 
> than larger stones.
> In other words, while they may be at the "light" end of the 
> strewnfield, meteorite density is probably going to be the greatest 
> there.
> Regards,
> Jason

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite that hit Northwest Georgia unveiled

2010-04-21 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks
Hi Greg and List,

The article says the meteorite is an "ordinary chondrite".  Is there
any official word on what exact type of OC?

I wonder why some institutions wait so long to obtain an official
classification?  Is it because they don't want to surrender a type
sample and aren't recognized by the MS to do their own
classifications?  Why wait so long when the meteorite has been
confirmed?

Best regards,

MikeG


On 4/21/10, Greg Stanley  wrote:
>
> List:
>
> What a beauty - and a hammer too.
>
> Greg S.
>
>
> http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/apr/21/meteorite-that-hit-northwest-georgia-unveiled/
>
>
>
> Meteorite that hit Northwest Georgia unveiled
>
> By: Andy Johns
>
>
> CARTERSVILLE, Ga. -- A meteorite older than Earth itself, traveling millions
> of miles through space before blowing through an attic in Northwest Georgia,
> was unveiled Tuesday morning at the Tellus Science Museum.
>
> "It's sort of interesting to ponder the journey this meteorite might have
> had," said museum curator Julian Gray.
>
> Experts estimate the half-pound, peach-sized space rock was traveling
> between 50,000 and 70,000 mph when it entered the atmosphere on March 1,
> 2009. They estimate it was still moving at 200 to 300 miles per hour when it
> punctured a roof, bounced off of a joist, punched through a drywall ceiling
> and landed in a bedroom in a Cartersville home around 11 p.m. that night.
>
> "I would suggest we all look at the fine print in our (insurance) policy,"
> joked Jose Santamaria, executive director for the museum.
>
> Held in a special airtight case, the meteorite will go on display at the
> museum Thursday.
>
> Staff photo by Andy Johns
> This meteorite crashed through the roof of a Cartersville home in March 2009
> and will be on display at the Tellus Science Museum.
>
> Officials at the museum said testing on the rock place its age at about 4.6
> billion years old. Scientists generally estimate that the Earth is 4.5
> billion years old.
>
> No one was home when the space rock fell from the sky, but a neighbor
> reported hearing a sonic boom. The homeowner, who brought the rock to Tellus
> in August, wishes to remain anonymous and museum officials declined to
> discuss the location of the find.
>
> Mr. Gray said the meteorite's discoverer was not sure exactly what the rock
> was.
>
> "The first thought was that kids were throwing rocks through the window," he
> said.
>
> After noticing the hole in the roof, the homeowner thought the rock might be
> from a quarry blast.
>
> Once the find was brought to the museum, it didn't take the staff long to
> determine its cosmic origins.
>
> "I think I identified it before I touched it," said Dave Gheesling, a
> founding member of the Georgia Meteorite Association.
>
> METEORITE AT A GLANCE
>
> * Weight: 294 grams, or about half a pound
>
> * Age: 4.567 billion years old
>
> * Speed at impact: 200 to 300 mph
>
> * Speed at entering atmosphere: 50,000 to 70,000 mph
>
> * Type: Ordinary chondrite
>
> * Contents: Iron, nickel, other elements
>
> Source: Tellus Science Museum
>
> Residents, especially around areas like Cartersville, where mining blasts
> are common, bring Mr. Gheesling more than 1,000 "meteorwrongs" every year.
> The stones are usually river rocks, iron ore or metal slag mistaken to be
> from outer space.
>
> The Cartersville rock, thought to have originated in the asteroid belt
> between Mars and Jupiter, is the 25th meteorite found in Georgia.
>
> Mr. Gheesling said the rock is a little larger than most of the meteorites
> he's seen, but documented specimens range from 60 tons to the size of an
> English pea.
>
> The Cartersville meteorite probably lost a good bit of its mass as it burned
> through Earth's atmosphere and other fragments may have splintered off
> during decent, Mr. Gheesling added.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Nothing wrong with "just west of Mineral Point"

2010-04-21 Thread Sterling K. Webb

Hi, Rob, List,

Is anybody searching the Belmont - Darlington -
Waldwick - Mineral Point quadrangle?

That is a rhetorical question to which I expect
no answer, of course.

Using a high stack of (reasonable) assumptions,
I calculate that about 90 kilos made it to the
ground, of which the largest single fragment
could be 3-5 kg (likely) to 10 kg (iffy).

Efficiency of recovery is low, so TKW will
likely be only 5 kg (without the big one) to
10 kg (with). The last time I tried this, I
got the TKW of Moss to within 50 grams,
but one trial does not a method make.


Sterling K. Webb

- Original Message - 
From: "Matson, Robert D." 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:39 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Nothing wrong with "just west of Mineral 
Point"




Hi Dirk,

I have to agree with Richard -- I find no real fault with the article.
The stone pictured does indeed look like a meteorite from this fall.
"Just west of Mineral Point" is a perfectly believable meteorite
landing point, particularly if "just west of" means a couple miles.

I don't think people appreciate how long this strewn field will
eventually turn out to be. The entry angle on the meteoroid was
less than 10 degrees from horizontal, and for even a single
fragmentation event at an altitude of 28 km, my model spreads
meteorites in the 3-gram to 10-kilo mass range over 20 miles.
Since there were additional fragmentations below 28 km, the
strewn field is likely to be longer still.

--Rob

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Kowalski
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:24 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award Wisconsin

I guess I don't see why you're calling it nutbag or lunacy.
While Mineral Point does seem a too far east of Livingston, but the
article states a none explicit "just west of"...

130 grams at $20 per gram = $2600, so the value of "thousands"
sounds reasonable.

What am I missing?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite that hit Northwest Georgia unveiled

2010-04-21 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:25:33 -0700, you wrote:
>
>What a beauty - and a hammer too.

Was there any meteor sighting associated with that date?

On a related note, are there any studies/estimates on what fraction of falls
result in a single stone and what fraction fragments into multiples?  (Thinking,
of course, that there are still rocks on the ground in Cartersville, GA.)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Nothing wrong with "just west of Mineral Point"

2010-04-21 Thread Steve Witt
Hi Jason,

If I may ask, what are you basing this on?

thanx,
Steve


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--- On Wed, 4/21/10, Jason Utas  wrote:

> From: Jason Utas 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nothing wrong with "just west of Mineral Point"
> To: "Meteorite-list" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 1:54 PM
> Not really - with every large,
> fragmented fall there are almost always
> more smaller rather than larger stones.
> In other words, while they may be at the "light" end of
> the
> strewnfield, meteorite density is probably going to be the
> greatest
> there.
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Richard Kowalski 
> wrote:
> > Could this be why apparently so few stones have been
> found so far? The hunters are actually looking at the
> "light" end of the field and the large stones are still 20+
> miles down range?
> >
> > --
> > Richard Kowalski
> > Full Moon Photography
> > IMCA #1081
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 4/21/10, Matson, Robert D. 
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Matson, Robert D. 
> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Nothing wrong with "just
> west of Mineral Point"
> >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 11:39 AM
> >> Hi Dirk,
> >>
> >> I have to agree with Richard -- I find no real
> fault with
> >> the article.
> >> The stone pictured does indeed look like a
> meteorite from
> >> this fall.
> >> "Just west of Mineral Point" is a perfectly
> believable
> >> meteorite
> >> landing point, particularly if "just west of"
> means a
> >> couple miles.
> >>
> >> I don't think people appreciate how long this
> strewn field
> >> will
> >> eventually turn out to be. The entry angle on the
> meteoroid
> >> was
> >> less than 10 degrees from horizontal, and for even
> a
> >> single
> >> fragmentation event at an altitude of 28 km, my
> model
> >> spreads
> >> meteorites in the 3-gram to 10-kilo mass range
> over 20
> >> miles.
> >> Since there were additional fragmentations below
> 28 km,
> >> the
> >> strewn field is likely to be longer still.
> >>
> >> --Rob
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> >> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
> >> On Behalf Of
> >> Richard Kowalski
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:24 AM
> >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting
> award
> >> Wisconsin
> >>
> >> I guess I don't see why you're calling it nutbag
> or
> >> lunacy.
> >> While Mineral Point does seem a too far east of
> Livingston,
> >> but the
> >> article states a none explicit "just west of"...
> >>
> >> 130 grams at $20 per gram = $2600, so the value
> of
> >> "thousands"
> >> sounds reasonable.
> >>
> >> What am I missing?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Richard Kowalski
> >> Full Moon Photography
> >> IMCA #1081
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite that hit Northwest Georgia unveiled

2010-04-21 Thread Greg Stanley

List:

What a beauty - and a hammer too.

Greg S.


http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/apr/21/meteorite-that-hit-northwest-georgia-unveiled/



Meteorite that hit Northwest Georgia unveiled

By: Andy Johns


CARTERSVILLE, Ga. -- A meteorite older than Earth itself, traveling millions of 
miles through space before blowing through an attic in Northwest Georgia, was 
unveiled Tuesday morning at the Tellus Science Museum.

"It's sort of interesting to ponder the journey this meteorite might have had," 
said museum curator Julian Gray.

Experts estimate the half-pound, peach-sized space rock was traveling between 
50,000 and 70,000 mph when it entered the atmosphere on March 1, 2009. They 
estimate it was still moving at 200 to 300 miles per hour when it punctured a 
roof, bounced off of a joist, punched through a drywall ceiling and landed in a 
bedroom in a Cartersville home around 11 p.m. that night.

"I would suggest we all look at the fine print in our (insurance) policy," 
joked Jose Santamaria, executive director for the museum.

Held in a special airtight case, the meteorite will go on display at the museum 
Thursday.

Staff photo by Andy Johns
This meteorite crashed through the roof of a Cartersville home in March 2009 
and will be on display at the Tellus Science Museum.

Officials at the museum said testing on the rock place its age at about 4.6 
billion years old. Scientists generally estimate that the Earth is 4.5 billion 
years old.

No one was home when the space rock fell from the sky, but a neighbor reported 
hearing a sonic boom. The homeowner, who brought the rock to Tellus in August, 
wishes to remain anonymous and museum officials declined to discuss the 
location of the find.

Mr. Gray said the meteorite's discoverer was not sure exactly what the rock was.

"The first thought was that kids were throwing rocks through the window," he 
said.

After noticing the hole in the roof, the homeowner thought the rock might be 
from a quarry blast.

Once the find was brought to the museum, it didn't take the staff long to 
determine its cosmic origins.

"I think I identified it before I touched it," said Dave Gheesling, a founding 
member of the Georgia Meteorite Association.

METEORITE AT A GLANCE

* Weight: 294 grams, or about half a pound

* Age: 4.567 billion years old

* Speed at impact: 200 to 300 mph

* Speed at entering atmosphere: 50,000 to 70,000 mph

* Type: Ordinary chondrite

* Contents: Iron, nickel, other elements

Source: Tellus Science Museum

Residents, especially around areas like Cartersville, where mining blasts are 
common, bring Mr. Gheesling more than 1,000 "meteorwrongs" every year. The 
stones are usually river rocks, iron ore or metal slag mistaken to be from 
outer space.

The Cartersville rock, thought to have originated in the asteroid belt between 
Mars and Jupiter, is the 25th meteorite found in Georgia.

Mr. Gheesling said the rock is a little larger than most of the meteorites he's 
seen, but documented specimens range from 60 tons to the size of an English pea.

The Cartersville meteorite probably lost a good bit of its mass as it burned 
through Earth's atmosphere and other fragments may have splintered off during 
decent, Mr. Gheesling added.
  
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[meteorite-list] Documenting the Wisconsin fall like Ash Creek

2010-04-21 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks
Greetings Listoids and Hunters,

During the West Texas/Ash Creek fall, one of our List members did a
spectacular job of keeping an updated list of the known finds, their
weights and who found them.  I don't recall who this List member was.
Is anyone planning to do the same thing with this new WI fall?  It
would be great to see an ongoing list of what is being found.

Three related questions :

1) As of right now, what is the main mass?

2) As of now, what is TKW?

3) When are we going to see an official classification or type?  I
assume the university has had plenty of time to determine a type.  So
what is it?

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG
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Re: [meteorite-list] WI hunting photos

2010-04-21 Thread Joe Kerchner
It was more than amazing, All the guys were just as amazing. I made pretty good 
friends with a few of them. This was a once in a lifetime chance for me, lets 
just hope I can make it out tot he next fall. I am sure I walked nearly 100 
miles, maybe more.

 Best Wishes,
Joe Kerchner
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- Original Message 
From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
To: Joe Kerchner 
Cc: meteorite list 
Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 2:16:12 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WI hunting photos

Hi Joe,

Thanks for sharing the photos.  It looks like a fun time.   It must be
amazing to be in the middle of the Meteorite All-Stars like that.
Good luck on the hunt. :)

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG



On 4/21/10, Joe Kerchner  wrote:
> Just got back last night from WI. I had the time of my life. I met some
> really amazing people, people who I look up to and alwaye wanted to meet. I
> posted some pictures of the hunt, some of the finds and others, many more
> pics to come. It is a really hard fall to hunt, many thousands of acres to
> hunt and some tough land, but the landowners were really nice and some even
> joined us in our hunt.
> Here is a link to see some of the photos:
> http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1271479536/10#17
>
>  Best Wishes,
> Joe Kerchner
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Re: [meteorite-list] WI hunting photos

2010-04-21 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks
Hi Joe,

Thanks for sharing the photos.  It looks like a fun time.   It must be
amazing to be in the middle of the Meteorite All-Stars like that.
Good luck on the hunt. :)

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG



On 4/21/10, Joe Kerchner  wrote:
> Just got back last night from WI. I had the time of my life. I met some
> really amazing people, people who I look up to and alwaye wanted to meet. I
> posted some pictures of the hunt, some of the finds and others, many more
> pics to come. It is a really hard fall to hunt, many thousands of acres to
> hunt and some tough land, but the landowners were really nice and some even
> joined us in our hunt.
> Here is a link to see some of the photos:
> http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1271479536/10#17
>
>  Best Wishes,
> Joe Kerchner
> http://illinoismeteorites.com
> http://skyrockcafe.com
>
>
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[meteorite-list] WI hunting photos

2010-04-21 Thread Joe Kerchner
Just got back last night from WI. I had the time of my life. I met some really 
amazing people, people who I look up to and alwaye wanted to meet. I posted 
some pictures of the hunt, some of the finds and others, many more pics to 
come. It is a really hard fall to hunt, many thousands of acres to hunt and 
some tough land, but the landowners were really nice and some even joined us in 
our hunt.
Here is a link to see some of the photos:
http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1271479536/10#17

 Best Wishes,
Joe Kerchner
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Re: [meteorite-list] Nothing wrong with "just west of Mineral Point"

2010-04-21 Thread Matson, Robert D.
Hi Richard,

Actually, all the hunters I've heard from have been searching what I
would
call the middle of the strewn field. No one seems to be hunting the
light
end (which is surprising since there should be a greater number of
stones
there, concentrated over a smaller area). The heavy end will be even
harder than the middle because the uncertainties are greater and the
stones are spread out even more.

--Rob

-Original Message-
From: Richard Kowalski [mailto:damoc...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:45 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Matson, Robert D.
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nothing wrong with "just west of Mineral
Point"

Could this be why apparently so few stones have been found so far? The
hunters are actually looking at the "light" end of the field and the
large stones are still 20+ miles down range?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Nothing wrong with "just west of Mineral Point"

2010-04-21 Thread Jason Utas
Not really - with every large, fragmented fall there are almost always
more smaller rather than larger stones.
In other words, while they may be at the "light" end of the
strewnfield, meteorite density is probably going to be the greatest
there.
Regards,
Jason

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Richard Kowalski  wrote:
> Could this be why apparently so few stones have been found so far? The 
> hunters are actually looking at the "light" end of the field and the large 
> stones are still 20+ miles down range?
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> Full Moon Photography
> IMCA #1081
>
>
> --- On Wed, 4/21/10, Matson, Robert D.  wrote:
>
>> From: Matson, Robert D. 
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Nothing wrong with "just west of Mineral Point"
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 11:39 AM
>> Hi Dirk,
>>
>> I have to agree with Richard -- I find no real fault with
>> the article.
>> The stone pictured does indeed look like a meteorite from
>> this fall.
>> "Just west of Mineral Point" is a perfectly believable
>> meteorite
>> landing point, particularly if "just west of" means a
>> couple miles.
>>
>> I don't think people appreciate how long this strewn field
>> will
>> eventually turn out to be. The entry angle on the meteoroid
>> was
>> less than 10 degrees from horizontal, and for even a
>> single
>> fragmentation event at an altitude of 28 km, my model
>> spreads
>> meteorites in the 3-gram to 10-kilo mass range over 20
>> miles.
>> Since there were additional fragmentations below 28 km,
>> the
>> strewn field is likely to be longer still.
>>
>> --Rob
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
>> On Behalf Of
>> Richard Kowalski
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:24 AM
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award
>> Wisconsin
>>
>> I guess I don't see why you're calling it nutbag or
>> lunacy.
>> While Mineral Point does seem a too far east of Livingston,
>> but the
>> article states a none explicit "just west of"...
>>
>> 130 grams at $20 per gram = $2600, so the value of
>> "thousands"
>> sounds reasonable.
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>> --
>> Richard Kowalski
>> Full Moon Photography
>> IMCA #1081
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Re: [meteorite-list] Having fun with an IMB and the Neophot

2010-04-21 Thread cdtucson
Tom, 
Once again. Fantastic. 
That first set looks like a micro-mini Pallesite. Very interesting because had 
we never seen true pallesites we would wonder if these micro-minis scale up or 
only exist in micro-mini scale.  I guess they do now that you have shown us the 
mico-mini version?  Tom, this is a real treat. Thanks Carl
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 starsinthed...@aol.com wrote: 
> Hi list,  It has been a while since I have  written an article for 
> Meteorite Times (John is doing a great job with Micro  Visions!).  Paul still 
> hosts 
> my micrograph gallery.  I think it is  officially hosted by The Meteorite 
> Exchange and Meteorite Times.   
> 
> Anyway,  we just got up a cool addition.  It is a set of  micrographs taken 
> in reflected light of an unclassified IMB.  There really  are some 
> interesting images.  Iron flecks floating in melt glass, desert  varnish like 
> you 
> have never thought it could look like and a metal sulfide  structure that 
> resembles a barred chondrule (quite unlike any thing I have seen  before).
> 
> The link is:  http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/articles/nwa-imb/
> 
> Also, if you  have not looked at the JaH 073 set I recently posted, it is 
> also in high mag  reflected light.  
> 
> Trust me, these images are unlike the cross  polarized light pass through 
> thin section images most common to the meteorite  world.  This technique 
> gives a look at what the material actually looks  like way up close.
> 
> Thanks for looking and please let me know what you  think.
> 
> Tom Phillips  
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Nothing wrong with "just west of Mineral Point"

2010-04-21 Thread Richard Kowalski
Could this be why apparently so few stones have been found so far? The hunters 
are actually looking at the "light" end of the field and the large stones are 
still 20+ miles down range?

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


--- On Wed, 4/21/10, Matson, Robert D.  wrote:

> From: Matson, Robert D. 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Nothing wrong with "just west of Mineral Point"
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 11:39 AM
> Hi Dirk,
> 
> I have to agree with Richard -- I find no real fault with
> the article.
> The stone pictured does indeed look like a meteorite from
> this fall.
> "Just west of Mineral Point" is a perfectly believable
> meteorite
> landing point, particularly if "just west of" means a
> couple miles.
> 
> I don't think people appreciate how long this strewn field
> will
> eventually turn out to be. The entry angle on the meteoroid
> was
> less than 10 degrees from horizontal, and for even a
> single
> fragmentation event at an altitude of 28 km, my model
> spreads
> meteorites in the 3-gram to 10-kilo mass range over 20
> miles.
> Since there were additional fragmentations below 28 km,
> the
> strewn field is likely to be longer still.
> 
> --Rob
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
> On Behalf Of
> Richard Kowalski
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:24 AM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award
> Wisconsin
> 
> I guess I don't see why you're calling it nutbag or
> lunacy.
> While Mineral Point does seem a too far east of Livingston,
> but the
> article states a none explicit "just west of"...
> 
> 130 grams at $20 per gram = $2600, so the value of
> "thousands"
> sounds reasonable.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> Full Moon Photography
> IMCA #1081
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Re: [meteorite-list] Online PDF files of The Yale Peabody MuseumPublications

2010-04-21 Thread Richard Kowalski
--- On Wed, 4/21/10, star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:


> The link about photocopiers is a very
> good one.
> Same can be said for old hard drives... Even if they "don't
> work" data can still be recovered.
> 
> Hope everyone is good,
> Greg C.

True, but I know when I am getting ride of a hard drive from my own computer. I 
always take a hammer to it if it is dead.

I didn't know that digital copiers have hard drives in them or that they save 
EVERY document scanned.

I have no control over leased copiers that are used by my doctors, employer, 
clients, etc. One expects their IT people destroy data from computer hard 
drives before disposal, but leased copiers? Until this week I didn't even know 
that this problem existed and I bet almost no one else does either.


--
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Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


  
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[meteorite-list] Nothing wrong with "just west of Mineral Point"

2010-04-21 Thread Matson, Robert D.
Hi Dirk,

I have to agree with Richard -- I find no real fault with the article.
The stone pictured does indeed look like a meteorite from this fall.
"Just west of Mineral Point" is a perfectly believable meteorite
landing point, particularly if "just west of" means a couple miles.

I don't think people appreciate how long this strewn field will
eventually turn out to be. The entry angle on the meteoroid was
less than 10 degrees from horizontal, and for even a single
fragmentation event at an altitude of 28 km, my model spreads
meteorites in the 3-gram to 10-kilo mass range over 20 miles.
Since there were additional fragmentations below 28 km, the
strewn field is likely to be longer still.

--Rob

-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Kowalski
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:24 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award Wisconsin

I guess I don't see why you're calling it nutbag or lunacy.
While Mineral Point does seem a too far east of Livingston, but the
article states a none explicit "just west of"...

130 grams at $20 per gram = $2600, so the value of "thousands"
sounds reasonable.

What am I missing?

--
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Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081
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Re: [meteorite-list] Online PDF files of The Yale Peabody MuseumPublications

2010-04-21 Thread star_wars_collector
The link about photocopiers is a very good one.
Same can be said for old hard drives... Even if they "don't work" data can 
still be recovered.

Hope everyone is good,
Greg C.


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-Original Message-
From: "Paul H." 
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:07:52 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Online PDF files of The Yale Peabody Museum
Publications

Dear Friends

The Yale Peabody Museum has a number of its
publications online available for free downloading.

For links go to "Scientific Publications" at

http://www.peabody.yale.edu//scipubs

Specifically, papers from the older archives of the
Bulletin of the Peabody Museum of Natural History
Yale University can be downloaded using:

http://peabody.research.yale.edu/scipubs-search/
http://www.peabody.yale.edu//scipubs/bulletin_list.html

Two publications that can be downloaded as PDF files 
for free are:

1. Meteorites In The Collections Of Yale University

http://peabody.yale.edu/scipubs/bulletins_postillas/ypmP027_1956.pdf 

and 2. The Meteorite And Tektite Collections Of Yale University
 
http://peabody.yale.edu/scipubs/bulletins_postillas/ypmP101_1966.pdf

An unrelated, but very interesting article is:

Your new ID-theft worry? Photocopiers Experts 
aren't aware of any known incidents but say 
potential is very real, MSNBC, March 14, 2010

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17597505/ns/technology_and_science-security/

Yours,

Paul H.
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[meteorite-list] Photocopier Hard Drive [WAS: Online PDF files of The Yale Peabody Museum Publications]

2010-04-21 Thread Richard Kowalski
--- On Wed, 4/21/10, Paul H.  wrote:

 
> An unrelated, but very interesting article is:
> 
> Your new ID-theft worry? Photocopiers Experts 
> aren't aware of any known incidents but say 
> potential is very real, MSNBC, March 14, 2010
> 
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17597505/ns/technology_and_science-security/
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Paul H.


I saw this same story on CBS a few days ago. Frightening!
It makes worrying about harvesting email address or someone changing the word 
"at" to @ pretty unimportant.

Entities I have no control over giving away my medical records, personal 
information, social security number, credit card information are a MUCH bigger 
concern to me.


--
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[meteorite-list] Online PDF files of The Yale Peabody Museum Publications

2010-04-21 Thread Paul H.
Dear Friends

The Yale Peabody Museum has a number of its
publications online available for free downloading.

For links go to "Scientific Publications" at

http://www.peabody.yale.edu//scipubs

Specifically, papers from the older archives of the
Bulletin of the Peabody Museum of Natural History
Yale University can be downloaded using:

http://peabody.research.yale.edu/scipubs-search/
http://www.peabody.yale.edu//scipubs/bulletin_list.html

Two publications that can be downloaded as PDF files 
for free are:

1. Meteorites In The Collections Of Yale University

http://peabody.yale.edu/scipubs/bulletins_postillas/ypmP027_1956.pdf 

and 2. The Meteorite And Tektite Collections Of Yale University
 
http://peabody.yale.edu/scipubs/bulletins_postillas/ypmP101_1966.pdf

An unrelated, but very interesting article is:

Your new ID-theft worry? Photocopiers Experts 
aren't aware of any known incidents but say 
potential is very real, MSNBC, March 14, 2010

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17597505/ns/technology_and_science-security/

Yours,

Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Quick-AD: a Piece of the Enigmatic Tamdakht-Ralewite & a Slice of a new Stony Winonaite

2010-04-21 Thread cdtucson
Martin, Stefan,

This  Ralewite is amazing stuff. I have a question about this one;
. 
There we have a grinded half of a specimen to spare. 7.106g. 50$/g 
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/7_106g.jpg 
 
Has it been determined what the black stuff is? Is it Translucent glass or 
opaque? Is it a particular mineral such as Ilmenite? 
Please share with us what you know about this amazing black material. Never 
mind how it even exists. This seems as fascinating as the lightning coming up 
out of the Iceland Volcano. Both seem impossible. 
Thanks Carl
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 Chladnis Heirs  wrote: 
> Hello members,
> 
> just a small & speedy AD:
> 
> >From our last travel we brought back once again a small lot of specimens of
> that incredible "Tamdakht-Couscous", which still awaits an explication for
> its formation. See also the discussion on the list one year ago:
> http://kuerzer.de/Ralewite1
> 
> http://kuerzer.de/Ralewite2
>   
> 
> There we have a grinded half of a specimen to spare. 7.106g. 50$/g
> http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/7_106g.jpg
> 
> http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/7_106g-2.jpg
> 
> 
> Second offer today is a fullslice of a small new winonaite (NWA 6187 prov.)
> There we wrote "stony" in the title, because it doesn't belong to the
> iron-rich ones, where here on the list it was discussed, how they could be
> differentiated from the silicated IAB-irons.
> Well, that here would be a "normal" AWIN (if something like this exists.
> They are so rare...)
> 
> A fullslice of 4.281g, one side polished, one side grinded. 100$/g
> http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/nwa6187-4_281g.jpg
> 
> http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/nwa6187-4_281g-2.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for your attention
> and our (admittedly somewhat jealous) greetings
> to the hunters and collectors in WI!
> Go for the main mass!
> 
> Stefan Ralew & Martin Altmann
> 
> Chladni's Heirs
> Munich - Berlin
> Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors
> 
> http://www.chladnis-heirs.com
> 
> 
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[meteorite-list] Please remove me from the list - thanks

2010-04-21 Thread ted
  
 
 
Ted Betz

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[meteorite-list] Looking to buy WI meteorite

2010-04-21 Thread mail
If anyone has any for sale, please contact me off-list with pricing. Fragments 
or individuals are welcome.

Matt

Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215
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[meteorite-list] F1 key virus Warning

2010-04-21 Thread cdtucson
List, 
Warning;

Please do not press your F1 key when prompted to..
see link.

http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/f1key.asp

Carl
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[meteorite-list] Livingston etc

2010-04-21 Thread maxmirot
I was in livingston WI over the weekend. 
My wife an I only devoted a few hour to searching before we had to go home and 
check our dogs.

We did get to see two nice specimens taken around 30 and 100 g. Both were taken 
in the Drinkwater road area. 

What is the largest yet confirmed 200g ?

It seem they moslty to be mostly in the west of Livingston, around X and G road 
south to Mifflin. Piecing together reports here mostly.

I heard several of the farms are under contract by hunters. 
A  Unvalidated rumor.
I stayed on public roads
I did not have the nerve to ask permisson. 

Max Mirot
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Re: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award Wisconsin

2010-04-21 Thread Greg Stanley

I'm confused, this actually could be important information leading to the size 
and shape of the strewn field.  Also, "just West" is vague, so we do not know 
exactly were it was found.

This is and odd quote, "Magnets stuck to the rock easily— the first time Dutch 
has seen that in 33 years on the job" he has not seen magnets stick to a rock.

Anyway if the strewn field is this large, the potential for many more finds is 
possible.

Greg S.


> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 03:42:54 -0700
> From: drtan...@yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award Wisconsin
>
> Dear List,
> Lunacy is out running wild in them papers!
> http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100421/GPG0101/4210668/1207/GPG01
>
> Check out the claims! Lulz, Dirk...Tokyo
>
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[meteorite-list] Having fun with an IMB and the Neophot

2010-04-21 Thread Starsinthedirt
Hi list,  It has been a while since I have  written an article for 
Meteorite Times (John is doing a great job with Micro  Visions!).  Paul still 
hosts 
my micrograph gallery.  I think it is  officially hosted by The Meteorite 
Exchange and Meteorite Times.   

Anyway,  we just got up a cool addition.  It is a set of  micrographs taken 
in reflected light of an unclassified IMB.  There really  are some 
interesting images.  Iron flecks floating in melt glass, desert  varnish like 
you 
have never thought it could look like and a metal sulfide  structure that 
resembles a barred chondrule (quite unlike any thing I have seen  before).

The link is:  http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/articles/nwa-imb/

Also, if you  have not looked at the JaH 073 set I recently posted, it is 
also in high mag  reflected light.  

Trust me, these images are unlike the cross  polarized light pass through 
thin section images most common to the meteorite  world.  This technique 
gives a look at what the material actually looks  like way up close.

Thanks for looking and please let me know what you  think.

Tom Phillips  

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Re: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award Wisconsin

2010-04-21 Thread Jeff Kuyken
Interesting. Mineral Point is over 20kms ESE of Livingston. I don't know how 
far East folks are searching but maybe the strewnfield is bigger than first 
thought?


Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Kowalski" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award Wisconsin


I guess I don't see why you're calling it nutbag or lunacy.
While Mineral Point does seem a too far east of Livingston, but the article 
states a none explicit "just west of"...


130 grams at $20 per gram = $2600, so the value of "thousands" sounds 
reasonable.


What am I missing?

--
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Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


--- On Wed, 4/21/10, drtanuki  wrote:


From: drtanuki 
Subject: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award Wisconsin
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 3:42 AM
Dear List,
Lunacy is out running wild in them papers!
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100421/GPG0101/4210668/1207/GPG01

Check out the claims! Lulz, Dirk...Tokyo

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Re: [meteorite-list] Attention ART & all List Members

2010-04-21 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks
Hi Michael and List,

Well that explains the flood of recent  "please buy my grandpappy's
meteorite" emails that I have been receiving of late.

Best regards,

MikeG
\


On 4/21/10, Michael Blood  wrote:
> Hello all,
> A web search brought the following web site to my attention:
>
> http://cosmictusk.com/just-like-old-times-fireball-repost-of-the-meteorite-l
> ist-coverage
>
> It should be noted that list posts are being transposed INCLUDING
> PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESSES, (unlike the List Archives in which list
> Member email address are not available to potential spammers, etc.)
> This is the first action I have seen that seems to me should
> definitely be one of the list rules - not to transpose list posts without
> the permission of each list member posting.
> What do others think?
>  Michael Blood
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE DOG FINDS FIRST METEORITE FROM THE APRIL 14, 2010 WISCONSIN FIREBALL! THANKS !

2010-04-21 Thread wahlperry

Hi All,

Thanks for the congratulation emails regarding Brix and his new find. 
Sorry it took so long to respond, it has ben a busy 5 days trying to 
locate and determine the extent of the Wisconsin fireball. Without a 
doubt, Wisconsin must be the friendliest State. Every landowner we 
talked with, allowed us to hunt their property and invited us back. I 
even had a chance to milk a cow!  I can't tell you how cool it was to 
see Brix alert over the meteorite. I hope to have a few pictures up 
over the next couple of days. Congratulations to all the hunters and 
their new finds. Rob Matson and Mark Fries  get a special thank you for 
providing the great radar data. The actual weight of Brix's meteorite 
is 205.6 grams, .2 grams must be the grass stuck on the meteorite!



Sonny



 
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Re: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award Wisconsin

2010-04-21 Thread Richard Kowalski
I guess I don't see why you're calling it nutbag or lunacy.
While Mineral Point does seem a too far east of Livingston, but the article 
states a none explicit "just west of"...

130 grams at $20 per gram = $2600, so the value of "thousands" sounds 
reasonable.

What am I missing?

--
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Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


--- On Wed, 4/21/10, drtanuki  wrote:

> From: drtanuki 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award Wisconsin
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 3:42 AM
> Dear List,
>   Lunacy is out running wild in them papers!
> http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100421/GPG0101/4210668/1207/GPG01
> 
> Check out the claims!  Lulz, Dirk...Tokyo
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[meteorite-list] New Paper On Younger Dryas Cold Event

2010-04-21 Thread Paul H.
Dear Friends,

New paper about the Younger Dryas cold event has been
published in:

Broecker, W. S., G. H. Denton, R. L. Edwards, H. Cheng, 
R. B. Alley, and A. E. Putnam, 2010, Putting the Younger 
Dryas cold event into context Quaternary Science Reviews. 
vol. 29, no. 9-10, pp. 1078-1081.

Abstract at:
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.quascirev.2010.02.019

This paper argues that “rather than being a freak occurrence, 
the Younger Dryas is an integral part of the deglacial 
sequence of events that produced the last termination on a 
global scale.” 

The abstract also states:

“The recent suggestion that the Younger Dryas was triggered 
by the impact of a comet has not gained traction.” 

The paper also disputes the hypothesis that the Younger 
Dryas was triggered by a flood of water stored in proglacial 
Lake Agassiz.

The paper concludes that “when viewed in the context of 
the last four terminations, cold reversals equivalent to 
the YD seem to be integral parts of global switches from 
glacial to interglacial climate. No one-time catastrophe is 
required.”

and

“Based on these observations of the climate signatures 
during several terminations, we conclude that there is no 
need to call upon a one-time catastrophic event to explain 
the YD. More likely, the YD was a necessary part of the 
last termination.”

A related paper by Dr. Broecker is “Was the Younger Dryas 
Triggered by a Flood?” at:

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/gs/pubs/broecker_science.pdf

Yours,

Paul H.
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[meteorite-list] WISCONSIN METEORITE HUNT

2010-04-21 Thread Michael Johnson
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/wisconsin_fireball_2010.html








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[meteorite-list] Quick-AD: a Piece of the Enigmatic Tamdakht-Ralewite & a Slice of a new Stony Winonaite

2010-04-21 Thread Chladnis Heirs
Hello members,

just a small & speedy AD:

>From our last travel we brought back once again a small lot of specimens of
that incredible "Tamdakht-Couscous", which still awaits an explication for
its formation. See also the discussion on the list one year ago:
http://kuerzer.de/Ralewite1

http://kuerzer.de/Ralewite2
  

There we have a grinded half of a specimen to spare. 7.106g. 50$/g
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/7_106g.jpg

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/7_106g-2.jpg


Second offer today is a fullslice of a small new winonaite (NWA 6187 prov.)
There we wrote "stony" in the title, because it doesn't belong to the
iron-rich ones, where here on the list it was discussed, how they could be
differentiated from the silicated IAB-irons.
Well, that here would be a "normal" AWIN (if something like this exists.
They are so rare...)

A fullslice of 4.281g, one side polished, one side grinded. 100$/g
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/nwa6187-4_281g.jpg

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/nwa6187-4_281g-2.jpg



Thank you for your attention
and our (admittedly somewhat jealous) greetings
to the hunters and collectors in WI!
Go for the main mass!

Stefan Ralew & Martin Altmann

Chladni's Heirs
Munich - Berlin
Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com




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[meteorite-list] Quick-AD: a Piece of the Enigmatic Tamdakht-Ralewite & a Slice of a new Stony Winonaite

2010-04-21 Thread Chladnis Heirs
Hello members,

just a small & speedy AD:

>From our last travel we brought back once again a small lot of specimens of
that incredible "Tamdakht-Couscous", which still awaits an explication for
its formation. See also the discussion on the list one year ago:
http://kuerzer.de/Ralewite1

http://kuerzer.de/Ralewite2
  

There we have a grinded half of a specimen to spare. 7.106g. 50$/g
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/7_106g.jpg

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/7_106g-2.jpg


Second offer today is a fullslice of a small new winonaite (NWA 6187 prov.)
There we wrote "stony" in the title, because it doesn't belong to the
iron-rich ones, where here on the list it was discussed, how they could be
differentiated from the silicated IAB-irons.
Well, that here would be a "normal" AWIN (if something like this exists.
They are so rare...)

A fullslice of 4.281g, one side polished, one side grinded. 100$/g
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/nwa6187-4_281g.jpg

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/nwa6187-4_281g-2.jpg



Thank you for your attention
and our (admittedly somewhat jealous) greetings
to the hunters and collectors in WI!
Go for the main mass!

Stefan Ralew & Martin Altmann

Chladni's Heirs
Munich - Berlin
Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com



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[meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award Wisconsin

2010-04-21 Thread drtanuki
Dear List,
  Lunacy is out running wild in them papers!
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100421/GPG0101/4210668/1207/GPG01

Check out the claims!  Lulz, Dirk...Tokyo

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Re: [meteorite-list] Attention ART & all List Members

2010-04-21 Thread Darren Garrison
Scratch my mention of Amazon, in my glance I confused the name of the blog with
an unrelated Amazon project.  But the point remains, replacing the @ with "at"
in e-mails is no protection from spambots.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Attention ART & all List Members

2010-04-21 Thread Darren Garrison
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:40:20 -0700, you wrote:

>It should be noted that list posts are being transposed INCLUDING
>PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESSES, (unlike the List Archives in which list
>Member email address are not available to potential spammers, etc.)

Don't kid yourself-- if Amazon has software so incredibly sophisticated that it
can replace the word "at" with an @, you can rest assured spammers have figured
out how to do it, too.

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[meteorite-list] Question Regarding NWA Irons

2010-04-21 Thread Jason Utas
Hello All,
I was wondering if anyone might have some information regarding
something of an oddity that I came across recently.
It's an NWA iron, but...it's definitely a piece of shrapnel.  I know -
many iron falls have shrapnel-esque shapes - so it's not *that*
unusual.
But this is a fragment of what looks to be a crater-forming iron -- see below:

http://picasaweb.google.com/MeteoriteKid/Irons#5460230944977751650

http://picasaweb.google.com/MeteoriteKid/Irons#5460230950893661314

As you can see, this iron's shape is very different from the typical
crystal-plane or shear fractures (as seen on Sikhote-Alin, ZIz, and
Taza) that suggest atmospheric breaks.
So, I'm curious to know if anyone else has come across any similar
specimens, or has heard anything about a new (likely small) explosion
crater having been found somewhere in NWA.
If this specimen is a meteorite (and I think it is), there's almost
undoubtedly a crater out there somewhere...
Regards, Thanks,
Jason
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