RE:[meteorite-list] Fake russian meteorite
This reminds me of the Fake Italian Pultusk meteorite that was discovered several years ago. Randy - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake russian meteorite on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Russian-Meteorite_W0QQitemZ6585392174QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem classic marcassite nodule and this is another probably fake meteorite http://cgi.ebay.com/Unique-Meteorite-Found-in-1952_W0QQitemZ6585446951QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] Fw: stop to broken
Matteo - STFU already. Lets see if your crappy language translator can figure that this one out. Randy - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: stop to broken yes and you put private messagges in the list, violation of rulesand now bye bye Farmer. I not answer again to your poor emailshere in Italy you are well know thanks to me. Matteo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] Re: Tucson
Never going to happen. The tucson show has too big of a draw to worry about saving a few bucks on the room. Dealers would lose money in the long run. Randy - Original Message - From: MarkF [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteor list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Tucson Hi list Have been checking hotel rates and I found that Laughlin Nevada has $25/night Sunday-Thursday and $49/night Friday and Saturday rates during the Cloud's jamboree with special rates for vendors at some hotels. Its too late I'd think to change from Tucson to Laughlin for the upcoming show, but for 2007, I'd like to see some serious thought put towards the move of the meteorite show. Cloud's jamboree has long been a major rock and gem show and combined with the GLW wholesale show, it provides for many vendors and buyers from around the world, not to mention the tourist trade. With many (thousands) of rooms just in the casino hotels, nearby Kingman and Needles also offer hotels and an easy commute, finding a place to stay shouldn't be the problem like at Tucson The only drawback is flights which either put you into Kingman or Las Vegas. But still, would be minor when a flight and car to Nevada are under $400 r/t Mark. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list]pterodactyl egg (ad)
This is just about as much related to meteorites as vacation photos. Randy - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]pterodactyl egg (ad) Anyone interested in a pterodactyl egg? (one of only two known to exist).NOT cheap. Recovered in SW Kansas - Cretacious. Xrays included. RSVP off list Photos available Best wishes, Michael -- You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are. -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Martian Meteorite Found?
Does anyone have any details on a rumored 40kg Shergottite found in the Gobi desert? Randy __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE:[meteorite-list] WHY, Yahoo? WHY not the blog?
Why subject Yahoo to garbage posts? The blog is the perfect place for trash and filth. The blog has taken this hobby to new lows which no one in their right mind could have imagined. Anything Steve or Mateo does on this list pales in comparison to the damage the blog has done to the intelligence of this hobby. Randy - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WHY, WHY,WHY does this posting bother everyone so much??? Steve, suscribe to this yahoo-group, it's for meteorite sales and 364 people are members, interested in getting offers. This is the better place for posting your updates: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteorite_sale/ Thanks, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] BLOG REPORT: DEAN AND FARMER LEAVING METEORITESFOREVER
The Blog is pure filth and whoever started this piece of crap should be taken out and flogged. Randy - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] BLOG REPORT: DEAN AND FARMER LEAVING METEORITESFOREVER This is really funny. Almost worth reading the Blog for its entertainment value (Sort of like reading the national enquirer without the respectible or credible parts) But front page of the Blog says the following: __ Over the years we have seen meteorite dealers come and go. Now, 2 well known dealers, Mike and Dean have announced they are selling out and leaving the country. Dean wants to escape the cold of Canada and Mike states: I will not be leaving the business, just wiping out all debt, and buying a house down south the spend my time not hunting meteorites sitting on the beach sipping mango margaritas made from mangos from my garden, know what I mean? Has business for meteorite dealers reached a point where it's not profitable? _ Now I dont know farmers plans but given the strenght of the meteorite market the last few months I cant imagine anybody leaving the meteorite business because of poor sales. (An alternative hypotesis that that he made enough money to retire wasnt considered on the blog). But my lifelong dream has always been to go to a tropical island, open a bar on a beach overlooking a coral reef with a river running through it so farmers panama plans sounds more like retirement to me than abandoning a bad line of business. Also, contrary to what the blog might lead you to believe I have no intention of leaving the meteorite business an dmove to New Zealand. In fact the past 3 months has been my best 3 months ever and I have sold over a quarter million dollars of meteorites this year so far. I cant keep up and havent been able to keep my ebay auctions over 1000 all year. A lot of people genuinely believes that the meteorite business is bad. Mostly these are older collectors and dealers who has seen the price of the collections (Or inventory) drop in value over 90%. But the real buyers nowadays are new collectors who has no idea that the market has dropped in value so much. Its not a demand problem that the meteorite world is facing. Its a supply crises. However, while I will not getting out my meteorite business will evolve. I wont be selling such huge quantities of cheaper material much longer. Partly this is because of my move to New Zealand and higher shipping costs (My retirement plans noted above are still in place - I even have my pacific island wife (See http://www.meteoriteshop.com/wedding/wedding.html) although it might be nice to skip the working a bar part and just completely retire and live on the beach near a coral reef) but also I cant seem to buy much stuff in Morocco anymore. Thats the real reason my business will evolve. I used to bring over 600 kilos every 6 to 8 weeks 3 years ago. Thats all I have bought in the past year now. Not leaving that line of business because of poor sales. I am leaving because of a shortage of supply. Also, just because I am going to New Zealand dont mean I cant still deal in meteorites. I never said that I was. But I have to go until my wife gets a New Zealand passport (We spent a lot of time deciding if we would live in Canada or New Zealand and I agreed to go see how I would like it there after my wife showed me a map that showed Tahiti and Fiji as well as numerous coral reefs closer to New Zealand than they were to canada - how did that happen). I think its every canadians duty to go down to the lake (Near the stelco plant) once a year and destroy a refridgerator - we should create enough global warming to make a tropical reef of Newfoundland in 15 years flat. Its not fair that Canadians have been deprived of a coral reef and only gets sunshine 6 days a year. Need to take matters into our own hands. So poor dean has to leave nice Canada and go live near a warm south pacific beach. Luckily they have internet and postal service there so I dont have to get a real job. I dont know if they have mcdonalds there so I am not sure if I will actually be leaving civilization or not. But I should be able to rough it for at least a year or two I am sure. But I am selling down a lot of things and listing tons of meteorites and stuff on ebay. So be sure to HELP SUPPORT POOR DEAN'S RETIREMENT FUND. He is so poor with no sales that somebody should send him money (If you dont believe me? - just go read the blog). And while it is true that I am agressinvely selling off stuff and not buying now (I even skipped Tucson this year as I didnt want to slow ebay down even for a weekend) I will always be back - even though a lot of stuff is offered cheap in my auctions and sales right now as I try and liquidate things so I wont have to pay
RE: [meteorite-list] items of interest/sale update
Keep Posting Steve. Some of us enjoy your posts. At least you are not attacking anyone. If anyone enjoys reading nothing but pure trash, I suggest visiting the Blog. It has absolutely NO socially redeeming value. Randy - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] items of interest/sale update Steve, Kindly refrain from your personal posts to this list. Create a mailing list for your customers so that the rest of us do not have to read your sales ads. Thank you. If you have something that can contribute to this list please post it; otherwise put it on the Blog at www.meteoritehunters.blogspot.com I and many others are tired of your daily posts Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper is a thief
Ask the Russians about their experiences. Randy - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper is a thief if is for this we are waiting from Casper over $16,000 for the piece of DaG 489 never pay from himCasper its a thief and a liar. Matteo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Matteo the skeptic
Fighting with Matteo is like wrestling with a pig.you both get dirty but the pig likes it. Time to ignore the girlfriend deprived Italian. Randy __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE:[meteorite-list] Dhofar moon rocks from Ukraine!
You can alway depend on some moron taking up the slack in becoming the new Ebay cop. Congratulations. Randy - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Dhofar moon rocks from Ukraine! Now, I am not an eBay cop, but this was emailed to me, and I find it funny enough to post here. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6513116408 This guy actually says that Dhofar meteorites are from Ukraine. It seems he has taken about every keyword in meteorites and mixed it all up in this pathetic excuse for a meteorwrong. Go get em coppers. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] tucson pictures
Wonderful photos Steve. Most of them are very clear. I can not wait to see page two. I recognize most all of the people in the photos but who is that proud looking gentleman in the last photo? Also, after meeting you at the party, I have now met both Steve Arnolds and you are number one in my book. Randy From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] tucson pictures Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:23:31 -0800 (PST) Hi list.My set of tucson pics are up on my erbsite on tucson page#1.I'll have more later.I also want to put to rest the bantering about I have been doing.I will stop all the dum emails concerning my new items.I am sorry,But I draw the line on threatning emails.I'll keep it to meteorites from now on. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Blood Auction Results
I think it has been Michael's policy not to post auction results because they are merely a reflection of a limited offering to a limited number of participants at a given time and are not to be confused with general worldwide market conditions. Randy From: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Blood Auction Results Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:20:55 -0800 (PST) Good Evening List, Does anyone have the final prices for the 2005 M. Blood auction? Just curious to see what everything went for? Ryan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Blood Auction Results
It went both ways. Some items like the DAG martians went very high per gramcompared to current internet prices. LA002 went quite low per gram but it was a big piece. Some other items sold higher than normal and others went lower than normal. Some items did not sell. As I said it was a limited offering to a limited crowd and did not reflect true market conditions, high or low. It is up to Michael to decide if he should post or not since it was his auction. I do not believe that he posted results last year but did the year before. He can verify if this is a true recollection. Randy From: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Blood Auction Results Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:40:14 -0800 (PST) Hmm..He posted the results on his website last year. Are you implying that most of the items went for below or well below normal market value, and that he doesn't want to ruin current "street value" prices by posting the result of the auction? Not sure that I understand that concept, if it's true. Just seeing how cheap things went for isn't going to be a factor in how much I would be willing to pay for a particular specimen in the future. Ryan -Original Message----- From: Randy Mils [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 17, 2005 6:30 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Blood Auction Results htmldiv style='background-color:'DIV class=RTE PI think it has been Michael's policy not to post auction results because they are merely a reflection of a limited offering to a limited number of participants at a given time and are not to be confused with general worldwide market conditions./p PRandyBRBR/p/div DIV/divFrom: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] DIV/divReply-To: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] DIV/divTo: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com DIV/divSubject: [meteorite-list] Re: Blood Auction Results DIV/divDate: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:20:55 -0800 (PST) DIV/div DIV/divGood Evening List, DIV/div DIV/divDoes anyone have the final prices for the 2005 M. Blood auction? Just curious to see what everything went for? DIV/div DIV/divRyan DIV/div__ DIV/divMeteorite-list mailing list DIV/divMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com DIV/divhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list DIV/div/div/html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] Fuzzy pics makes it real?
GOOD LORD PROUD TOM. Give it a rest already. We all have the ability to go on ebay and search out crap. If you want to be a ebay cop, send them your resume. Randy - Original Message - From: "Tom Knudson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "met list" meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fuzzy pics makes it real? Boy, people with dreams! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=19268item=5558903867rd=1 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] is this a meteorite?
Hey Proud Tom. How about giving it a rest. If you want to be an ebay cop, send ebay a resume. I, for one, am getting tired of your posts of ebay wrongs, blurred photos, and assorted BS. Remember, you are one that originally started the BS about Delray Godess. We all know how that backfired and YOU never did give her an apology. Randy - Original Message - From: "Tom Knudson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "met list" meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] is this a meteorite? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6512841185rd=1 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Fuzzy pics makes it real?
Ryan.. You mean taking the time tocomplain like YOU just did? Every now and then, Proud Tom needs to be slapped up side the head. Consider it my contribution to the civilized world. No thanks needed. Randy From: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Fuzzy pics makes it real? Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:03:45 -0600 (GMT-06:00) This is one thing I'll never understand. Taking the time to complain about a particular post to this list takes considerably longer than hitting the "delete" button, especially when one sends two seperate emails complaining about one simple post, spam or no spam. Personally, some posts I choose to read, and others I don't. I'm not taking sides on this, it's just my personal preference of mine. Use the DELETE KEY folks, it only takes one click of the mouse. Ryan -Original Message- From: "S. Ray DeRusse" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 16, 2005 6:46 PM To: Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] Fuzzy pics makes it real? We respectfully second the motion. S. Ray DeRusse www.bccmeteorites.com __ Randy Mils wrote: GOOD LORD PROUD TOM. Give it a rest already.We all have the ability to go on ebay and search out crap. If you want to be a ebay cop, send them your resume. Randy - Original Message - From: "Tom Knudson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "met list" meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fuzzy pics makes it real? Boy, people with dreams! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=19268item=5558903867rd=1 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: new computer
Guess you forgot where your delete key was, eh Ryan.Randy From: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: new computer Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:10:00 -0600 (GMT-06:00) "Here at our house, my eleven year old daughter has a Dimension 4700 with dual hard drives, extra SDRAM, a Pioneer DVD-R burner, etc.It's two steps up from you machine and it isn't even close to being "state of the art." Wow, bragging and blathering vs. bragging and blathering. And I suppose she bought that computer with her weekly allowence? Ryan -Original Message- From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 16, 2005 8:59 PM To: Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED], Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new computer Meteorite List, First of all, I apologize to the List for the following: I don't know about the rest of you, but I've finally reached my limit of Steve Arnold's (Big Windy) non-stop bragging and blathering. So, get angry with me if you want or send me emails condemning my behavior, but I've had enough and I have to vent a little here. steve,steve,steve,steve,steveI don't know what Dell catalog you ordered from, but since the Gwilliams are a "Dell only" family( we have five Dells), I can clear up any confusion you might be experiencing.The Dell Dimension 3000 is an entry level machine and can't be called "state of the art" by any stretch of the imagination.Dell describes the 3000 as the "Ultimate Value Desktop" and is second from the bottom of the line of eleven (11) desktop machines. The person you ordered your computer from must have given you some incorrect information. Here at our house, my eleven year old daughter has a Dimension 4700 with dual hard drives, extra SDRAM, a Pioneer DVD-R burner, etc.It's two steps up from you machine and it isn't even close to being "state of the art." Best, John Gwilliam Oh...one more thing. Nancy (my wife) remembers meeting BH about 10 years ago and she said that the way she would describe him could be translated to "BH is one hot dude!" if she were still thirty years old, but for a fifty year old guy to say that is welldisgusting and very embarrassing. Faux pas! Best, John Gwilliam At 03:08 PM 2/16/2005, Matt Morgan wrote: What does this post have to do with meteorites? I've gotten a few new computers over the last two years as well. Anyone else?? New cameras, camcorders, VCRs, DVDs? LOL Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com PO Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA ebay id: mhmeteorites - Original Message - From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] new computer Hi and good afternoon list.I just want to let everyone know that I just got my new computer and will be putting my tucson pictures up on my website for viewing.I'll let you know when I am done.I got a DELL DIMENSION 3000.It is state of the art computer. steve arnold.chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: new computer
I wasn't the one who advised using it instead of complaining about meaningless posts by Proud Tom.Randy From: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: new computer Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:50:02 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Yeah, and obviously you did also. Ryan -Original Message- From: Randy Mils [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 16, 2005 9:46 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: new computer htmldiv style='background-color:'DIV class=RTE PGuess you forgot where your delete key was, eh Ryan.BRBRRandy/p/div DIV/divFrom: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] DIV/divReply-To: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] DIV/divTo: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com DIV/divSubject: [meteorite-list] Re: new computer DIV/divDate: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:10:00 -0600 (GMT-06:00) DIV/div DIV/div"Here at our house, my eleven year old daughter has a Dimension 4700 with DIV/divdual hard drives, extra SDRAM, a Pioneer DVD-R burner, etc.It's two steps DIV/divup from you machine and it isn't even close to being "state of the art." DIV/div DIV/divWow, bragging and blathering vs. bragging and blathering. DIV/div DIV/divAnd I suppose she bought that computer with her weekly allowence? DIV/div DIV/divRyan DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div-Original Message- DIV/divFrom: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] DIV/divSent: Feb 16, 2005 8:59 PM DIV/divTo: Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED], DIV/div Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com DIV/divSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] new computer DIV/div DIV/divMeteorite List, DIV/divFirst of all, I apologize to the List for the following: DIV/div DIV/divI don't know about the rest of you, but I've finally reached my limit of DIV/divSteve Arnold's (Big Windy) non-stop bragging and blathering. So, get angry DIV/divwith me if you want or send me emails condemning my behavior, but I've had DIV/divenough and I have to vent a little here. DIV/div DIV/divsteve,steve,steve,steve,steveI don't know what Dell catalog you DIV/divordered from, but since the Gwilliams are a "Dell only" family( we have DIV/divfive Dells), I can clear up any confusion you might be experiencing.The DIV/divDell Dimension 3000 is an entry level machine and can't be called "state of DIV/divthe art" by any stretch of the imagination.Dell describes the 3000 as the DIV/div"Ultimate Value Desktop" and is second from the bottom of the line of DIV/diveleven (11) desktop machines. The person you ordered your computer from DIV/divmust have given you some incorrect information. DIV/div DIV/divHere at our house, my eleven year old daughter has a Dimension 4700 with DIV/divdual hard drives, extra SDRAM, a Pioneer DVD-R burner, etc.It's two steps DIV/divup from you machine and it isn't even close to being "state of the art." DIV/div DIV/divBest, DIV/div DIV/divJohn Gwilliam DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div DIV/divOh...one more thing. Nancy (my wife) remembers meeting BH about 10 years DIV/divago and she said that the way she would describe him could be translated to DIV/div"BH is one hot dude!" if she were still thirty years old, but for a fifty DIV/divyear old guy to say that is welldisgusting and very embarrassing. DIV/div DIV/divFaux pas! DIV/div DIV/divBest, DIV/divJohn Gwilliam DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div DIV/divAt 03:08 PM 2/16/2005, Matt Morgan wrote: DIV/div What does this post have to do with meteorites? I've gotten a few new DIV/div computers over the last two years as well. Anyone else?? New cameras, DIV/div camcorders, VCRs, DVDs? DIV/div LOL DIV/div DIV/div Matt Morgan DIV/div Mile High Meteorites DIV/div http://www.mhmeteorites.com DIV/div PO Box 151293 DIV/div Lakewood, CO 80215 USA DIV/div ebay id: mhmeteorites DIV/div - Original Message - DIV/div From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" [EMAIL PROTECTED] DIV/div To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com DIV/div Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:07 PM DIV/div Subject: [meteorite-list] new computer DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div Hi and good afternoon list.I just want to let everyone know that I just DIV/div got my new computer and will be putting my tucson pictures up on my DIV/div website for viewing.I'll let you know when I am done.I got a DELL DIV/div DIMENSION 3000.It is state of the art computer. DIV/div DIV/div steve arnold.chicago DIV/div DIV/div Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 DIV/div I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 DIV/div Illinois Meteorites DIV/div website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com DIV/div http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div DIV/div __ DIV/div Do you Yahoo!? DIV/div Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. DIV/div http://info.mail.yahoo.co
RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] RE: haag pieces are in demand-$$$$$??
Hi Steve.. We are all looking forward to seeing pictures of the meteorites that you bought from Bob Haag in Tucson. Expecially the ones you sold before you ever left town. The esquel for example. Question for you, All things being equal, which is more valuable: A27 gram piece ofEsquel purchased fromBob Haag or a27 gram piece of Esquel purchased from Joe Blow?Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:44 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] haag pieces are in demand Wow!!! It is unbelieveable what people will pay for haag pieces.Like I said last week,I AM NOT SELLING ANY OF MY HAAG PIECES.Someone has already asked to pay me$1000 for the ransom piece.I said,NO!!These pieces mean alot to me.So I am sticking to my guns.So unless you really need the money,I say,hang on to them.Haag is the modern day nininger.I saw at least 25 pieces go out of his room.I think everyone got great deals.And the MACY piece I got,176 gram slice has a HUSS # on it.So it makes it even worth more.So hang on to your haag pieces and show them to your kids, grand kids, to the whole world.Because in your heart of hearts, you are showing world class meteorites. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala
Good Points Stan. This is not a new characteristic of meteorites coming on to the market at different prices. Years ago Bob Haag bought the main mass of Esquel. A little later another 80kg or so fell into the hands of some other dealers. They banged it onto the market undercutting Bob. Bob kept his cool and sat back and let them sell out. After the market absorbed the other dealers supply, Bob started selling again. The dealers with deep pockets can afford to sit on their rare meteorites in the hopes of the supply coming out of the deserts drying up, which they eventually will. The partime dealers with a full time 9 to 5 job can afford to sell now with a small markup. Both strategies will make money. If finders and dealers at a new fall want to sell before classification and their are willing buyers what is the harm? The collector has the option of waiting for classification and the possibility that something strange will be discovered and the price will be higher or they can buy immediately with the possiblity of many kg coming on to the market which will outstrip demand. It is a crap shoot. This is still a free market society and collector and dealer alike can sell their meteorites any way they please. Even if that does not fit nicely intothe perfectbusiness model. Collectors can become instant dealers if a meteorite falls in their backyard (Park Forest) or ifthey decide to buy directly from Morocco because the internet makes it possible. For many this is not a business, just a hobby, which, because of the internet and ebay makes it possible to help pay for one's collection by selling extra specimens or taking a flyer on buying from Morocco. Is all this a bad thing? I don't think so. I think that this is just the way it is, always has been (Esquel), and always will be (Park Forest, Amgala, NWA, etc) Randy From: "stan ." [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:57:01 + The problem is that Amgala has not been completely classified yet so it is being sold as an unclassified meteorite. One of the reasons it is taking so long to classify is that many interesting features have been found in Amgala and the scientists want to describe them properly, something every fall deserves. Adam, please forgive me for being overly cynical, but what does the classification results have to do with the signifigant dip seen in the price of amgala? regardless of what it classifies as, your price for stones already in your possesion arent going to change. if it gets classified as a common stone the price isnt going to go up. if it gets classified as something exotic the price would go up, but we ahve only seen a steady downward trend in the prices - you can find smallish well crusted amgalas selling on ebay pretty regularly at 5$ a gram - not as good a deal as i just got for buying a large stone - but still about 50% of the price being asked when it first came out. this trend isnt really seen in only amgala - look at lunar material - years ago it was all priced at several thousand $ a gram - now you can get it for a few hundred per gram. NWA 1929 was going for 50 to 100$ a gram and now you can buy it for 20$ - or even as low as 5$ if you buy a big piece. olivine diogenite was going for what, 600$ a gram now you see people offering it in the 100$ ballpark. kickass LL3's like begga were several tens of $ a gram and now they can be had for 2$ a gram. look at what happened to park forrest prices. when stuff first comes out - be it a rare classification - or just an especially nice new fall it's price tends to be high - after a while more and more sources of the material open up, and competition drives the prices down. it's not about dealers not having business sense - it's about free market dynamics pushing the prices where they need to be based upon the laws of supply and demand. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re:SOMETHING COOL IN MY CV3
YO MATTEO ! (originating IP traces to Italy) How is it hanging dude Randy From: "Mauro Daniel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re:SOMETHING COOL IN MY CV3 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:08:56 + or NWA 1807 or 2180 I have pay similar material $2/gr. from my moroccan dealer and max sale for $5/gr. From: "Dave Harris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],"metlist" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re:SOMETHING COOL IN MY CV3 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:28:51 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Hi Dean et al. Why does this rock look JUST like NWA 3118! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] The animal Farmer
Matteo.. I thought we were rid of you. You are a brain dead moron. We are not interested in your private fights with farmer. So take it somewhere else and leave us alone. This list has been very civilized lately until you came back. Randy From: "Matteo Righetti" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] The animal Farmer Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:01:39 + what Farmer write to me in private, seen he not have problems to put my private emails in pubblic Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Farmer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey you retarded dickhead, I was in Europe for the weekend, why do you never leave Italy? Are you afraid that you will get killed? Do you have no money? I will come to venice soon, I will sit outside your slum and wait for you to show your fucking face, then I will pound it in. After the things you have said to me, you will pay with alot of pain. fuck off and die. Farmer you are only a little worm, is good for you go from a good psychiatrist and make yourself monitor that rotten head that you have. If you dare alone to put an inside myhouse only a your foot you will regret of it bitterly. I am surprised myself that this character does not be still been beaten outside from the list, perhaps because Jones is an its girlfriend _ Ricerche online più semplici e veloci con MSN Toolbar! http://toolbar.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up now 2 months FREE! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Nevada Meteorite on Ebay
Search on item # 2255992757 Opinions?? Randy FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Chassigny thin section photos
SoSteve, you don't hate EBAY when it serves your own purposes? You must spend some time on ebay searching for items that intice you to abandon your boycot. I think that even it you don't want to admit it publicly, you don't hate EBAY as much as you let on. :-) Randy From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Chassigny thin section photos Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:00:22 -0700 (PDT) In regards to Chassigny thin section photos, I have one such thin section in which the sample 2.7 mm x 2.5 mm. It is pretty nice even if it is small.It is one of the very few meteorite thin sections that I have bought at the place that I hate. http://www.geocities.com/meteorite_identification/chass.jpg http://www.geocities.com/meteorite_identification/CHASS1.jpg http://www.geocities.com/meteorite_identification/CHASS4.jpg http://www.geocities.com/meteorite_identification/CHASS6.jpg Steve Schoner. __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome back Matteo
Welcome back to the list Matteo. Are you back on ebay yet under a different name? We would all like to know so we can avoid your auctions. Randy From: "Mauro Daniel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Bash Bob Evans Day Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 08:35:11 + My name is Mauro, or probably some people here is not good to read? Or probably some members here is no good to change mentality on italian persons why for the problems created from a unique member, now all italian persons is under attack. From: Dave Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Bash Bob Evans Day Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:42:42 -0700 Matteo, Nice try with the Netsky virus you had sent to me via Yahoo.fr. I was born at nightbut not LAST night. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Con MSN Hotmail Extra Storage hai fino a 100 MB di Posta! Provalo! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Ebay Matteo
Nice Work Mike. Your suspicions were proven to be correct. It does not matter what excuse Matteo uses to defend himself. The fact is Ebay would not have suspended him unless the evidence was 100% clear. We all can be sure now who the TRUE liar is and always has been. Randy From: "Michael Farmer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay Matteo Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:22:38 -0700 Lunarmeteorite AND MCOMEMETEORITE are BOTH already kicked off, that was fast, it seems that Ebay can move now when fraud is proven. SEE ya Matteo How does it feel to lose several years of feedback for being an a-hole? check ebay, click on search by bidder and try Lunarmeteorite or Mcomemeteorite, both are now no longer registered users. Michael Farmer Anyone doubt that Matteo is a liar anymore? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from Hollywood! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] New Zealand Man to Sell Meteorite
"a misshapenHOLLOW object" Who verified this amazing meteorite? The local community college? Anyone planning on making an offer better get a second opinion. Randy From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Meteorite Mailing List) Subject: [meteorite-list] New Zealand Man to Sell Meteorite Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:36:00 -0700 (PDT) http://www.odt.co.nz/cgi-bin/getitem?date=15Jun2004object=KEC3583650SOtype=html Publicity push for meteoric price rise By Stu Oldham Otago Daily Times (New Zealand) June 15, 2004 A Lawrence man who last month decided to sell a meteorite he found when digging a long-drop toilet in the 1950s says he could not have picked a better time to sell. "Who would have thought everyone would be talking about meteorites at the same time I decided to get rid of the thing," Jim Nettleton (75) said yesterday. "I mean to say, a meteorite crashes through someone's ceiling and then everyone wants one. That's pretty good timing." The avid "collector of everything" has been following intently news reports of a meteorite which crashed through the roof of an Auckland home on Saturday. Phil and Brenda Archer have been inundated with calls from around the world about the 1.3kg rock experts say could be worth a lot of money. Mr Nettleton plans to sell his own meteorite - a misshapen, hollow object he found when digging a long-drop toilet in East Roxburgh in the mid-1950s - at auction next month. "I just thought that it is no good lying around the house and when I'm gone no-one will know what it is and they will probably just throw it out," he said. "So it's better off going to someone who knows what it is; to someone who appreciates the funny-looking thing I got out of the ground." The object was confirmed as a meteorite by Otago Museum several years ago, Mr Nettleton said. Dunedin auctioneers Plumbly's would check the identification this week. Auctioneer Kevin Hayward, who had not sold a meteorite before, expected a surge in late interest. "The Auckland thing will no doubt help things along a bit, but I still have no idea what it'll sell for. Maybe $300, maybe $2000-$3000 - it's up to what a collector is prepared to pay for it," he said. Central Otago man John Lunam was hoping for similar success with a meteorite he found in Central Otago's Manhureikia River in 1980. Just like Mr Nettleton's, it had been sitting around the house gathering dust until the right moment came along. "And that moment is probably here," he said on Sunday. "Good time to sell, when everyone is talking about them." __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up now 3 months FREE! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment
Hello Mike and Listmembers. Sorry, but your idea is never going to happen. Sniping on ebay is a way of life and has been since the beginning of ebay. The real solution would be for ebay to alter their auctions so that an auction could not end until 5 minuites had passed without a bid. This would make it a TRUE auction venue.Good luck with sharpening your ebay sniping skills Mike. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Randy From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Good Morning- This is probably a little off topic- but a comment I would like to make to see if I am alone in this. When bidding in ebay or other on meteorites- there is nothing more disappointing than someone that lays out for the last few seconds and then outbids you with a fast server. It does not give the previous bidder any chance to reconsider their offer. I know it is fair to do this- but it seems to be the same people always doing it. It really gives that person a negative image to me. I am no better than anyone else- but I try never to do this to anyone. I think it would be common courtesy among meteorite collectors- especially of this list and the IMCA, to never do this to each other. It would build mutual respect among us. Just a comment- I hope all of you have a good weekend. Mike G. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends.Fun.Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Market 101
Hi Doug and List Members. I agree with everything that you state in principle, Doug. It is unfortunate that you chose the LA001 thread to make your point. The LA001 situation has nothing to do with free marketing of goods or price fixing. The closest example that I can think of that would be similar to the LA001 situation is this: You are attending a live auction. The auctioneer brings a lot up for bid that you just happen to have one just like it with you. You think "hey I can sell mine here too". So you go around and offer everyone your piece as an alternative to the auctioneer's lot. I am pretty sure you would be escorted from the premises. This situation has nothing to do with free markets or price fixing. Randy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Market 101 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:19:08 EDT What ever happened to the pleasant humor that this list used to proffer; I've missed you all very much on my extended vacation... some really wierd things are starting to stir up the pot here (Michael and Glenmore's comments at end of this message). Good call Glenmore. Hi Michael (Blood), I know you like quotations, so here's one: "Don't just learn the tricks of the trade. Learn the trade." James Bennis Please don't consider this personal, as you would insist. You are, by some accounts the market guru and I consider you a friendly dealer and respect you appropriately as much as the next meteorite enthusiast. I really truely do, despite our differences in opinions of the past, and in that spirit I post. First, Michael, I would recommend you pick up a reprint of the following classic publication by the famous Scotsman. Perhaps you reconize it as the basic foundation of economics and markets, a favorite niche of yours: Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations, 1776. "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices." That is quite a famous quote from Smith's book, even much more than the first quote in this message. Can you interpret it as it applies to the current thread you are in the middle of? With good times most had in Tucson in mind, for an encore it is a pleasure to offer the following for your comment: FREE MARKETS AND ECONOMICS ARE BASED ON GAMING Oddly, "Game theory" is the accepted foundation of modern economics. The basic gist is that independence of suppliers forces prices to their minimum, which increases efficiency for everyone, and decreases the price determining ability of each individual firm. According to game theory, if one firm decreases the price, others offering the similar product will follow to maintain sales, but if someone increases price, others probably won't as it would result in a loss of sales. The uncool, un-american phenomenon of "collusion" is the challenge to a free market, enforced only by the invisible hand that gives naughty and deviant undeserving rivals spankings on a regular basis for MISBEHAVIOR in the markets. When firms collude to increase prices as a cooperative, loss of sales is at a minimum as consumers don't have alternative choices. This manipulation benefits those who collude, and destroys the efficiency for society. Collusion is illegal (in the US), however, implicitly, tacit understandings which include "price leadership" which if provable are illegal under antitrust law, continue. A perfect example of collusion and the blurring of the line between implicit and explicitness, is the request from Michael Blood that suppliers restrict the way business is done, i.e., a rival seller should not offer similar product at a lower price. Luckily for innocent consumers who are assumed to work equally hard for their wages (I suspect some work much harder), implicit and explicit collusion have some barriers: 1. Economic recessions: Sometimes rival firms need to lowert prices to increase their sales to pay for their own costs of doing business. This actually benefits both suppliers and consumers in the long run, as it prevents gluts from developing and tends to stablize pricing at market determined levels. 2. "Cheating": Incentive to "cheat" among suppliers participating in the illegal pricing is high due to the false price levels brought on by the collusion itself. 3. Cost of Sales Differences: A more efficient supplier can profit more at a lower price by moving a greater amount of volume that more than offsets the lower price. 4. New Entries (negatively in this forum: "those who aren't blue blooded dealers"), upon entry the new guy establishes new price baselines and errode the colluding arrangements. In Adam Smith's classic you can read all about supply and demand. Basically, if we restrict supply the next seller will not get enough gravy as the first, and the first buyer gets screwed because he played a game
Re: [meteorite-list] Los Angeles 001
Michael and List Members..I was appaled when I saw two members jump on Bob's LA001 bandwagon. My first thoughts were - "If you had this material for sale, why did you wait until Bob offered his to the list before making yours available?" If it had been a new fall or find, then the circumstances would certainly have been different and multiple offers would have been expected. But LA001 has been around for several years. To address the practiceofebay ad posting on this list vs the Yahoo Groups - I would rather see everything posted to one list, this one. I don't want to have to become a member of half a dozen lists concerning meteorites justbecause each may have their own restrictions. It also makes temporarily unsubscribing more cumbersome with multiple list memberships. The advantage of this list is that it has become all things to all people and I like that. The only exception would be the childish flame wars that sometimes infect the list. My two cents. Randy From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Los Angeles 001 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 23:32:58 -0700 Greetings All, Please hear that this is addressed to a behavior, not to the individuals currently engaged in said behavior. Personally, I am stunned whenever ANYONE jumps on someone else's ad. Igrudgingly observe this among callous, competitive, immature inconsiderate"dealers" doing this to one another. However, even that seems usually to be done by someone specifically at odds at the time with the original advertiser. I know of no one at odds with Bob Verish, yet he has been unable to have a simple sale without two otherwise kind and considerate non-dealers jumping on the tail gate of his wagon, offering alternative examples of the material he has advertised. I don't mean this to be directed at the people doing it - I mean it to be directed to the behavior. Could everyone on the list have SOME consideration for a person offering material? I know it is hard. Many is the time I have wanted to jump right in and say, "Hay, everyone, I have the same material at 60% (or less) of that cost!" or, "Hay, I have one a bit bigger (or smaller), too,"but I don't. It is a rude thing to do to the original advertiser. Let's all have a little more consideration for the other guy. At least wait until his/her sale is concluded before offering up our own stuff. Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win a trip to NY __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Found in Canada
Hope he doesn't start spending money he doesn't have and never will get. I hate the way the media sensationalizes every meteorite find. This guy is going to be disappointed when reality sets in. Randy From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Meteorite Mailing List) Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Found in Canada Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:41:20 -0700 (PDT) http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=d78a3433-e1a9-4093-9b21-30a876345b7d Hunter hits meteorite pay dirt CanWest News Services April 26, 2004 A Winnipeg man down on his luck has hit pay dirt with a couple of strange rocks he found on a hunting trip. Scientists have confirmed Derek Erstelle's finds are meteorite fragments containing among the rarest and oldest materials in the solar system -- and are potentially worth $100,000. The news couldn't have come at a better time for Erstelle, 47, who has been out of work and on disability for four years. "I'm hoping this will clean things up a bit . . . I could certainly use it," Erstelle said. Martin Beech, who teaches astronomy at the University of Regina, said the rocks are meteorite fragments from the core of an asteroid that was involved in a collision with another asteroid millions of years ago. "Asteroid material is the first material that formed in the solar system," Beech said. He said collectors would eagerly pay $10 per gram for Erstelle's rare find. The two fragments weigh a combined 9.8 kilograms, which could net Erstelle a cool $100,000. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar FREE! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] guessing game
Looks like NWA 1109 Eucrite to me..??? Randy From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] guessing game Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:23:08 -0700 Hey, Did you all see Dean's new meteorite?Any guess's as to what it is? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2233095399category=3239 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier Proudest member of the YMCA # OU812 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Norton book burning/giveaway
Geoff: You don't understand the original post? I guess you haven't been paying attention to previous postings by this individual. It is just another lame attempt to be cute. EG: "Look at me! I'm still here!" Don't you remember the thread about the value of him being hit by a meteorite? I know the valueless wasted bandwidth.Randy From: Notkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Norton book burning/giveaway [trying again] Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:55:54 -0700 Dear Listees: My previous post came through with HTML tags included, for some reason. Sorry about that. Am re-sending. *** Tom posted: "So in conclusion, Richard Norton must have been lazy and did not do any research before writing these books! My suggestion, A big Norton book burning, the books are wrong and if you quote them, you will get nasty emails too!" Tom, I don't understand your post. First you quote some harsh (and almost certainly false) criticisms about Richard Norton's work, and then go on to say you don't agree with them, and are going to keep Richard's books after all. Do you realize that your comments go into the Meteorite List archives permanently, where anyone can read them? What is your purpose in posting this material? I doubt it's news to anyone that there is occasionally an incorrect or apocryphal piece of information even in the best-researched book, and that widely-accepted facts can sometimes later be shown to be inaccurate (look at the debate regarding the authenticity of the "Nakhla dog." Richard and Dorothy Norton are among the most well-liked and respected people in the meteorite field, so why would you want to post comments like these -- whether you said them or not? Many collectors became part of the meteorite collecting world specifically because of the Nortons' book "Rocks from Space"; In addition, Richard's articles are widely and regularly published; Dorothy and Richard are both Harvey Award winners; and many List members (including myself) regard them as friends. I don't understand why you would send a post to the M-List with "Norton book burning" in the title. Please explain. Geoff N. www.paleozoic.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Chimp Space Plan
Am I the onyone that finds it sad that the opinion of former Astronaut John Glenn and the first American to orbit the earth is considered by some list membersto benot proper for posting on this list but the discussion of "uhuhuhuhuh" and other non-words is?Randy From: "Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:06:07 +0100 ". where you should be spewing your lefty crap" So please keep your "righty crap" to yourself as well. Thank you. _ Best regards, Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems CEO RPGDot Network Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Chimp Space Plan
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RE: [meteorite-list] OT: The White House Coup Against NASA
George CHIMPY Bush trying to control NASA for his own political agenda? And this should be a suprise to anyone? DUBYA is the worst president EVER. This moron has got to go. Also, a vote for Nader is a vote for the CHIMP. Don't waste your vote in November. Randy From: Robert Verish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: Ron Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] OT:The White House Coup Against NASA Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:07:18 -0800 (PST) -- Forward Message -- The White House Coup Against NASA Submitted to Portside February 20, 2004 THE WHITE HOUSE COUP AGAINST NASA By Morton H. Frank A rapid series of events makes evident that the Bush administration has moved to take direct control of NASA in order to serve the administration's own immediate political goals and perhaps also to support military objectives in space. Should the effort succeed, grave damage will be done to the scientific work now going on under NASA's auspices. While NASA overall is closely linked to the military, much significant science is currently supported under its budget. It is this civilian component of NASA that has come under attack. On January 14th at NASA headquarters, George Bush announced a new vision for space exploration. "We will build new ships to carry man forward into the universe, to gain a new foothold on the moon." "[With] the experience and knowledge gained on the moon, "we will take the next steps of space exploration: human missions to Mars and to worlds beyond." The refocusing of NASA for these new tasks was delegated by Bush to the agency's administrator, Sean O'Keefe, a former White House budget official. These goals, he indicated, were to be accomplished on the cheap: All of NASA's activities are to be subordinated to this new space program, with $11 billion to be drawn from the agency's existing five-year budget and Congress expected to provide an additional billion in new money. (1, 2) The next day, O'Keefe announced a reorganization of NASA around the new program. (3) Two days later he shocked the managers of the Hubble space telescope, telling them that there would be no further shuttle visits to maintain it. A shuttle flight planned to install new scientific instruments and replace gyroscopes and batteries in 2005 was now canceled. (4) Without it, the great telescope, whose findings have revolutionized our understanding of the universe and whose sublime photographs of the heavens have inspired millions, is expected to deteriorate and have its life cut short. It has often been said that the Hubble is the most significant telescope since Galileo's own instrument in 1609. As O'Keefe told it, the cancellation was due to safety considerations that had come to light after the shuttle disaster the year before, and was unrelated to NASA's reorganization. As shocking as the cancellation itself was the absence of scientific participation in the decision. The evidence indicates that the cancellation of service to the Hubble was part and parcel of Bush's vision of human space exploration. The story of Bush's big plan has been well told by Andrew Lawler in the pages of Science magazine, the weekly published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science. Until December of last year, the visionary plan was "a tightly held set of options" prepared by "a small team of White House and federal agency officials." "That team, led by the National Security Council," included "O'Keefe as well as Pentagon and Commerce and State department officials" (5) and presidential science advisor John Marburger (6, 7). Its product was "vetted by Vice President Dick Cheney, Presidential Chief of Staff Andrew Card, and the president's top political adviser, Karl Rove." Here too, there was little or no scientific input into the decision to send people to explore space. Also, in following these preparations Lawler recognized that "any new mission will have to fit into an agency budget [that is] already strained" (5) At a hearing on February 12th, several members of the House Science Committee also expressed skepticism about NASA's ability to support the new project without starving ongoing programs. (8, 9) In his January 14th presentation, Bush named Edward "Pete" Aldridge to chair a commission to think up, within four months, what should actually be done to carry out his vision. Aldridge, a onetime astronaut and former Secretary of the Air Force, currently serves on the Board of Directors of the Lockheed Martin Corp. (10) On February 11th, Pete Aldridge held a public hearing of his hastily assembled commission to try to get some ideas. Among those attending was Norman Augustine, retired chairman of Lockheed Martin and leader of a panel that had once examined the space program for the elder President Bush. Augustine cited
Re: [meteorite-list] Glassface found the 33rd Mars Rock
Ebay rule of thumb #1: IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY - DON'T PLAY.Randy the Rambler From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MarkF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glassface found the 33rd Mars Rock Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:09:07 -0700 Hello List, I am the high bidder now, God someone please out bid me, I can't afford it! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 - Original Message - From: MarkF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glassface found the 33rd Mars Rock You realize too that you can also retract bids for a reason - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glassface found the 33rd Mars Rock 44 bids in one hour...not a bad start. Can I bid on my own stuff?...they look almost too good to sell. Maybe they are from out there and were transported down with the that new Slag that was made on Mars? JD PS Thanx for the push Adam. I've been tempted to do this all week. Everyone should just bid on this auction just enough to be registered as a bid.If it gets enough bids it will attract attention just because of the number of bids.I just bid ten times in increments of the minimum of six cents and Gregory is still high bidder at only $1.01 Jim - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glassface found the 33rd Mars Rock Adam and others, It is the same igneous rock he was slicing and calling DAG 476.It is basalt or gabbrothe green look to it maybe olivne but more likely epidote.What was the name of that character that Art has banned in the past...not Matteo..before him. This is starting to have the feel/look of someone who wants to screw with us purposely.Proud Tom As many of you know I have similar material...I just put some up for sale today(see below) as a spoof in return to Mr./Ms. Glassface. Contribution of payment will be to the IMCA and its development... JD http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2227754521 Dear List, This Glassface seller on ebay is a real clown and a poor con artist. He just listed a piece of Martian basalt that he claims has preferentially aligned OPX crystals.This is simply amazing considering there are only two such stones in the world for a TKW of only 378 grams making it the rarest Martian subclass in existence "Olivine-Orthopyroxene-Phyric-Shergottite".I guess if you are going to make something up you may as well make it as rare as humanly possible and claim it came from Rissani, how ridiculous. It is even bargain priced at $300.00, what a hero!To see this fraud, check out the auction link below: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2227683715 This zero rated idiot has got to go! All the best, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] glassface1
It has been stated on this list time and time and time again. LEAVE EBAY ALONE. Itis not the IMCA's job to police ebay sellers. Let the buyer beware. Randy From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] glassface1 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:13:40 -0700 Hey List, this glassface1 Can't even keep the lies strait! Can't something be done about this seller? May be the IMCA can put on an ebay add about fraudulent sellers and how to identify them? Meteorite *ALLENDE* CV3 It's my last one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2227157587category=3239 But then lists another one later Meteorite: CV3 Allende Special Huge Stone http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2227224342category=3239 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] shatter cone help?
I have always admired Blaine Reed's BEAVERHEAD Shatter cones that he has displayed in Tucson. But I must admit it is mostly because of the location as opposed to the appearance. Randy From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] shatter cone help? Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:04:37 -0700 Hello List, I am contemplating adding a shatter cone to my collection, but, I know nothing about them!Can someone tell me what to look for when shopping for a shatter cone? I am only getting one, so I want it to be the right one! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re:[meteorite-list] From the same dealer of the DaG 476 fake
Get lost clown. One thing that everyone at the Tucson show agreed upon is that MATTEO IS AN IDIOT. There were T-shirts auctionedwith you Matteo's photo as a cry baby. Someone should post a photo for Matt River to see. Randy From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:[meteorite-list] From the same dealer of the DaG 476 fake Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:51:22 + I have addvise the max. bidder to no put other bids and write to the dealer, from the moment not have received answer. Matteo I already reported this seller to ebay and I suggest you do the same. _ Best regards, Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:02 PM To: M come Meteorite Meteorites; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] From the same dealer of the DaG 476 fake Hi Matteo and list, He or her uses the same CAI-picture for all three Allendes, the pictures are dark, but it's visible that the stones are angular fragments with rounded edges from weathering, they have no fusion crust and are looking like W3+ desert stones with no similarities to Allende. Thus, the "DaG 476" was not a slip, a fraudulent intention is most probable. I got no response from this seller. Martin A. - Original Message - From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] From the same dealer of the DaG 476 fake Look this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2225004641category=3 239 Allendefor me no, easy find rocks with the same condrules of Allende... Matteo _ MSN Search: la risposta alle tue ricerche online http://search.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Vuoi ricevere fantastiche offerte promozionali viaemail? http://www.msn.it/msnservizi/so/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Create your own personal Web page with the info you use most, at My MSN. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Out out, damned spot!
Here is a photo of one of the shirts: http://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson2004matto1.jpg Take a hint and get lost Matt, Matteo or whoever your next alias may be. Randy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Out out, damned spot! Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:26:47 EST List, This was Matteo's response to me... "I use what name I want. Sure I not see who have the same my name I use from years in my 3th account on mailing list. gne gne gne" Moderator: Please remove this moron again.Matteo, as your last potential customer on this list, I assure you that I will never buy from you again.You now have no reason to be on this list.Your tedious, sad life of reviewing Ebay auctions to keep the world safe from meteoritic misrepresentation pales in comparison to your complete lack of significance in the meteorite world.You are the laughingstock of the meteorite community...in fact, many people made up T-shirts in Tucson with your picture on the front to make fun of you and your stupidity.Instead of focusing on bringing "new Italian NWA meteorites" to the world and harassing members of this list, why don't you devote all your attention to your day pizza delivery job and your night job as towel boy at the local bath house..gne, gne, gne Find great local high-speed Internet access value at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Franconia Meteorite
Hi List: I saw a big meteorite in ET's room at the Inn Suites with a sign listing it as the Main Mass of the Franconia meteorite. I think it wasfound on Super Bowl Sunday. The ink on the sign hadscarcely dried when I heard that a 7kg piece was found a few days later. I remember when Gold Basin first came out and the price was well north of $1.50 per gram. Before long, meteorite hunters decended on the Gold Basin strewnfield. Last time I checked on ebay, Gold Basin could be had for a quarter a gramon some auctions. I heard rumors in Tucson of several groups planning on searching for Franconia meteorites after the show was over. Could Franconia be the next Gold Basin? I can almost hear our Italian friend saying "Bah!, the prices are in ruin" Randy Check out the great features of the new MSN 9 Dial-up, with the MSN Dial-up Accelerator. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Matteo is a jag off
\Matteio:L You are a jack off. Why don't you check the photos on your yahoo group. You have photos of proud Tom, your hero. get lost Matt, Metteo or what ever your name is today Randy Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] moon travel lunar meteorites?
? A waste of bandwidth From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] moon travel lunar meteorites? Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:24:53 -0700 Hello List, can we collectors as a group get together, and get NASA to put a box under the lunar return vehicle that the astronauts can fill with moon rocks that will burn up during reentry will and drop new lunar meteorites over the US? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] OT: MOON TRAVEL?
Don't get your hopes up too high guys. This is just a another in a long line ofre-election gimicks by President Chimpy. Randy Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] sheephole valley 002
Boxhole is my favorite name !!! Randy From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] sheephole valley 002 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:26:14 -0800 (PST) Hello and good morning list.Just a question.I know the our great moderator art found the sheephole valley piece, but I noticed that their is also a sheephole valley 002.There is only 4.4 grams found.Just wondering who found that piece?Was it art or someone else?Just wondering!That is a really great name. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: [meteorite-list]Matteo's Proud Tom Fun
Hello Matteo: I have read your funny parody of the Proud Tom Website. I think that the people that you have made fun of on your web page will view it with humor. Too bad that you must be so insecure that you do not have the same attitude. One thing puzzles me. Why do you continue to attack the Marines? Did the Marines attack you on this list? Do you feel insecure when you are around Marines and this is the way you react? Please let us all know why you hate the Marines. The Real Proud Tom is my Hero and Pultusk is my favorite meteorite. Randy "Faries still the smiles and the struck ones" "This is the course of mine meat" Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: [meteorite-list]Matteo's Proud Tom Fun (OT)
Marcia: You sure are doing a lot of stretching and reading between the lines to defend Matteo. What's up wit dat??? Let Matteo try tojustify his attack of the Marines without any help and let's see if he can do it. Matteo's silence on the issue has been deafening since my last post. Randy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marcia Swanson) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [meteorite-list]Matteo's Proud Tom Fun(OT) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:45:14 -0600 (CST) Hi Randy, and List, C,mon now people. If we can "dish it out, we have to be able to take it". Which I think most will. Man! When I stop to think about whata field-trip Proud Tom or Matteo could have with me, after some of my comments and uneducated blunders, phew!!I am glad I'm not worthy. If anyone had the reserve to not smile or laugh through Matteo's series of photo's, I will guarentee,that the last photo of Proud Tom's smiling visage, with tooth blacked out, got everybody. If you say that didn't make you smile? I will call you a liar to your face.It's called mirth (definition: social merriment) with a twist. As to the Marines? I may be wrong, but I took it to be another humorous, satyrical parrallel referring to we Americans, collectively, and the way we tend to viewourselves. Example: " The Proud, the Few, the Best.the Marines". With a litttle Super Hero thrown in for flair! In other words " We think we are all that, and a bag of.meteorites." Only Matteo can tell you himself, if this is how he meant it. Regards to All, Marcie Message3.txt Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet access. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] A Warning
Let me see if I understand Someone posted Proud Tom photos in your little yahoo group. This made you mad so you have requested Yahoo to spend their valuable time tracking down who is responsible. With all the porn, kiddie porn and who knows what else exists in in the Yahoo groups and profiles, I am sure that they have dropped everything to work on your problem. You sir, Are a legend in your own mind. (American _expression_) Randy - Original Message - From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite Collectors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:43 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] A Warning I wanted to inform to the infiltrator in my group that to stop to pass the messages post in my group to varied members of this list, besides to the idiot that puts the images of its fellow idiotic proud tom in the group between little I will know who is seen that I have asked to Yahoo of to supply myself all of the data of who have put the images.A time for all, you did the cabbages yours ( italian _expression_ ) Matteo Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning
I have been thinking the same thing myself. I checked his group and there are only 13 members of his little entourage. Let's call them Matteo's groupiesRandy Bah The prices is in ruin From: DNAndrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: meteorite-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning Will Smith Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:48:48 -0700 It makes me want to join Matty's group just to see who the members are and see what photos there are. Dave David Freeman wrote: Dear Matteo, Talk to the hand, the ears do not listen! :-) Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] TRY THIS !!!!!!
I am going to put my vote on the "mental illness" sideas usual another waste of bandwidth.Randy From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] TRY THIS !! Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:02:42 -0700 Hello List, You should try this it is so cool.I set half the clocks in my house ahead an hour and the other half back an hour Saturday and spent 18 hours in some kind of space-time continuum loop, reliving Sunday (right up until the explosion). When I went out side there was almost a continuous stream of meteors!!! I was able to exit the loop only by reversing the polarity of the power source exactly e*log(pi) clocks in the house while simultaneously microwaving ice cubes. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA # __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Enjoy the holiday season with great tips from MSN. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bad Language...Thanks for the test
I already have my filter set to all vulgar words, a couple of names,Matteo,and PROUDEST MEMBER OF THE YADA YADA YADA. A couple of these clowns promised to leave the list but have been posting in earnest instead. I guess somepromises were meant to be broken. Randy From: John Gwilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bad Language...Thanks for the test Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:09:41 -0700 At 09:41 AM 12/16/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well...I had a real test on aol's spam control, from the recent thread that Matteo started. The one that contained a naughty word or two. I usually check just for grins those messages that ended up in my spam box before deleting them enmasse. I noticed several from the meteorite list. Thought there was some kind of error until I opened a couple...Looks like the spam control is actually working. I'm really considering adding the word "Matteo" to the word list. This will filter any messages out that contains it. Maybe add a couple more words and then "Presto"...most of the bull will be eliminated no matter who sends it.:o) GeoZay This could very well be the perfect solution to a problem that has plagued this list since day one.If everyone were to filter out the whiners, fighters, crybabies and seller posting the same or similar offer five or six times a week, no one would have to actually see or read their posts. The offending senders would still be able to see their posts show up on the list without knowing that no one else was receiving them.They would feel empowered and fulfilled without ever knowing that the rest of the list wasn't watching and reading their garbage. The only flaw I see in this is that Art would have to continue to deal with all the wasted bandwidth. I apologize for another off topic comment. Food for thought, John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Cell phone switch rules are taking effect find out more here. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the 2nd person to sell orrissa
I will believe it when I see it. One down and one to go. Randy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the 2nd person to sell orrissa Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:31:29 EST Matteo writes: from today in then I will not write never more in this list "...and they all lived happily ever after." Gregory Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] ebay listings, steve choner's attempt for a new group
Chirsian and all: The list policy is already clear. Policy#8 states - "Do not post - major advertisement- emails to the list - use a 'sale' link". This policy was later ammended on the list to require the word "AD" in the subject line so that list members would be clear that the email contained an ad. I think the problem arrose when some list members posted their ebay auctions daily, spamming the list. For example one member in particular would say "I have ebay auctions ending in 7 days" then "I have ebay auctions ending in 6 days", then "I have ebay auctions ending in 5 days", etc etc. You get the idea. Members won't even quit fighting and using vulgar language on this list which is a much much bigger problem than theoccasional ebay ad announcement. As long as the word "AD" appears in the subject, I do not see a problem as this allows all list members to decide for themselves if they wish to open an "AD" email. Randy From: "Ing. Christian ANGER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay listings, steve choner's attempt for a new group Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:33:17 +0100 Hi list, Hi Steve ! I think the idea to keep ebay announcements off this list has died. Still many members like Michel Franco (sorry Michel but you are just only ONE example for what I want to say becuase you recently did it) have not accepted Steve's idea. So I don't know why I (or the others) should not make any announcements for my (or their) ebay auctions in future again. Nobody cared about except very few members like Mike Farmer, Dean Bessey, Matteo Chinellato, Phillipe Thomas, Me and two or three others, I THINK WE DID NOT REACH A NUMBER OF 10 OF MEMBERS who accepted this and now these members have a disadvantage as they did not post to the list since the ebay-group Steve created exists!! So I don't want to be one of these two who accepts the disadvantage of not posting ebay announcements to the REAL meteorite-list as long as others ignore not posting ebay announcements. We (all the members of this list) should find a solution. To decide if announcements for ebay auctions are possible for ALL or NOT. Maybe somebody has a solution for making a poll to let the members decide. Art Jones, a question to you as first man of the list : Is it possible to make a poll in this subject ? I saw on different yahoo-lists that there are polls possible but I am not aware how to make this here. Could you find a soultion ? I suggest a solution is asked, otherwise everybody makes what he wants. Cheers, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Ing. Christian ANGER Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Lost Creek
I did have some extensive information but I lost it. Sorry. Randy From: "Jerry Calvert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite Email List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lost Creek Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:49:33 -0600 Does anyone have information on the "Lost Creek" meteorite? Thanks, Jerry Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] US going back to the moon????
Top 11 reasonsBUSH wants to go to the moon: 11. Even his imagination is 40 years behind. 10. His ranch has even more barren landscapes than those used to film the "moon landings" at LBJ's. 9. Just finished reading "Goodnight, Moon." 8. Halliburton lobbying to "rebuild" it. 7. Running out of places not to find Saddam Hussein, bin Laden, the Anthrax killer, the White House traitor, the Prescription Drug Plan briber... 6. No need to set up free speech zones when he arrives. 5. Couldn't think of a less useful scientific endeavor. 4. Need to find more places to export American jobs. 3. Scientists whom Bush cites to refute global warming also believe the moon is made of crude oil and beer. 2. It's the perfect test for his hydrogen-powered car. 1. It's faster, cheaper and easier than getting out of Iraq. Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom is Back!
Matteo.. You are an AZZ amoung men. Be advised that the author of this website apparently puts it up for a short period of time and then takes it down. You have nothing to do with having it removed. I am sure that the free hosting service can not make any more sense of your emails than we can. You are a legend in your own mind. I will make a prediction that this website will be back with parodys of other list members in the future. I will make another prediction that Matteo will make an AZZ of himself again soon. Randy Shop online for kids toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wow, A Galaxie Meteorite
Back? Randy Yea, that's right, I am proud I did not appear on a website.From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wow, A Galaxie Meteorite Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:01:39 -0700 Well Adam, This should be your next big purchase! This thing is amazing! Frass has nothing on this new meteorite, except space germs! Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier Yea, that's right, The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 12:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Wow, A Galaxie Meteorite Wow, We don't have one of these in our collection: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2203087330category=3239 All the best, __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Say goodbye to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average.* * Prices may vary by service area. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Humourless idiot eats humble pie
Boo Hoo You state that you haven't even read the followups to your original post? And now you want us to reply to your latest post? How can we be sure you will read our followups now? Maybe most of us don't care what you think. Randy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Humourless idiot eats humble pie Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:22:44 +1000 List members, I was upset when I wrote my remarks earlier, however that is no excuse for making my comments personal and for that I unreservedly apologise. I hope those I have offended can accept my apology. That said I would like to explain why I was upset. I value the meteorite list as it is a place where like minded individuals can share our enthusiasm for the subject of meteorites. I found the web site that Matteo mentioned offensive because it is taking the p--- out of someone based on the way they look or what they write or say. In my humble opinion good humour is no excuse for bad taste, no matter how well it is done. The sort of humour I enjoy is Dave's story about his last meteorite hunt, with its gentle irony and self deprecatory humour. I don't agree with making fun of other people, particularly in a public forum like the internet. To me the web site concerned represents anonymous hate mail. I haven't read the followups to my post, but I would be interested to know if anyone has owned up to authoring the site. They have abused copyright, altered the images then posted them with a smartarse commentary. Is this the sort of thing other members can expect if they upset certain individuals? my humble 2c chris sharp . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Who know the email of this idiot?
Boo Hoo. Based on the response to the web site, you are in the minority with your opinion. Don't loose sight of the fact that no one on this forum would even be aware of the web site if Matteo had not brought it to our attention. Lighten up already and have a few laughs. Randy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Who know the email of this idiot? Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:01:45 +1000 Hi Matteo, Steve, Tom List I just want to say that I was extremely upset at this web site. It smacks of bullying and the worst sort of arrogance and is the sort of thing that should have been left behind in the schoolyard. Anyone that thinks its funny to laugh at other people like this has yet to meet maturity. 27 Italians lie recently dead in Iraq and you scoff at Matteo. Grow up, get some sensitivity. This is an example of why scientists and researchers no longer contribute to this list in the manner they used to. my 2c chris sharp Hello all http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom/index.html If any of you know this idiot please give to me the all informations, I us task to make to pass it us wants to laugh. regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95.* * Prices may vary by service area. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who know the email of this idiot?
It seems pretty funny to me that the person who is most offended by this brilliant website is the same person who brought it to our attention. I have to question the intelligence of that action. What makesthe web pageso funny is the thread of truth that runs through all the humor. To who ever wrote it Good job But, man, you have to have way too much time on your hands. Randy From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who know the email of this idiot? Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:28:40 -0700 OH MY, other meathods! Do they include the Italian mafia? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who know the email of this idiot? Nice or noth nice at few time this site go destroy if no exit the name of who have put this material,I have good methods for eliminated similar site's, and I no joke Matteo --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Dear List, This is one of the craziest things I have seen. I about fell out of my chair when I saw Steve's lounging trousers with a 20" zipper. They look like they would be good for material prep, no need for a shop coat or coveralls with those babies. Where the heck can you buy jeans like that and why would somebody produce such awkward apparel? Why would anybody get caught wearing such a thing and have their picture taken? Trying not to laugh, Adam - Original Message - From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite Collectors Associations" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:21 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Who know the email of this idiot? Hello all http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom/index.html If any of you know this idiot please give to me the all informations, I us task to make to pass it us wants to laugh. regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EBay analysis (preliminary)
Let me be the first to agree that this is an invasion of privacy. This is also not the place for "ebay analysis". We have been there and done that with another "former list member"Randy From: Jamie Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Meteorite List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] EBay analysis (preliminary) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:06:43 -0600 Listees, On the dealer/collector spectrum, I'm at the collector end. I haven't yet sold any meteorites (but I do need to thin out my collection a bit). Anyway, I am interested in the meteorite market dynamics. It's fun. Targeting Ebay, I exercised some software tools I have. I looked at completed "Meteorites, Tektites" category completed sales from 2003-10-10 to 2003-10-25 (the data that Ebay keeps easily available). Here are some interesting stats: [CAVEAT: I haven't thoroughly validated these results. Please consider them preliminary.] Items ended: 2036 Items sold: 1035 Number of unique sellers: 169 Number of unique winners: 413 Number of unique bidders: 815 Total sold: $57,951.60 Most expensive item sold: $6,736.00 More data below. I plan to start collecting data over time to see trends. If you're interested in the result, let me know. I'll post if there's sufficient interest. I'm mostly interested in the "demand side". Are more people bidding on meteorites? What else are they bidding on? Etc. Of course, I'm only looking at EBay -- as opposed to the large number of direct deals that I can't see. Some folks might gripe that I'm invading privacy. Yes? If so, lemme know. I can obfuscate identities. But folks can still figure out the identities from the EBay data. Please remember the caveat above, and send my any comments or questions. --Jamie Stephens Top 20 sellers making the most money: seller | # trans | usd ---+---+--- cometshop | 47 | 10634 finmet | 70 | 7436 meteoritehunter%40comcast.net | 80 | 4584 meteoritemarina | 17 | 3619 a.chondrite | 6 | 2145 mr-meteorite | 6 | 2132 flattoprocks | 30 | 1956 meteoritelab | 108 | 1937 katy2kary | 35 | 1710 meteoritehunters | 47 | 1374 17jack-anthony | 10 | 1141 meteoriten | 8 | 1044 illinoismeteorites | 12 | 1025 paolo2000 | 7 | 1018 3281958 | 2 | 1005 meteoriteusa.com | 22 | 940 meteorflash | 79 | 808 svassiliev | 18 | 736 meteoritesandmore | 63 | 628 litig8nshark | 6 | 516 (20 rows) Top 20 bidders spending the most money: bidder | usd | wins -+--+-- nickelironmonkey | 6787 | 2 dbgbogey | 2065 | 2 cat_berlin | 1848 | 3 peterutas%40aol.com | 1630 | 1 aggiemwd | 1525 | 1 pangeogem | 1447 | 3 meteorpassion | 1032 | 16 meteoritoeg | 1009 | 21 pat11260 | 978 | 7 tdaulton | 961 | 2 pema9 | 824 | 11 17jack-anthony | 817 | 10 starsandrocks | 795 | 4 sandro1921 | 770 | 1 alwaysdreaming.com | 760 | 1 3281958 | 732 | 6 illinoismeteorites | 632 | 14 centrosaurusred | 585 | 1 wols1 | 580 | 2 newforwu | 547 | 9 (20 rows) Top 20 EBay "traders", those buying and selling on EBay: seller |net usd| wins | sells --+---+--+--- meteoritesandmore | 593 | 3 | 63 docdavev45%40aol.com | 429 | 1 | 1 illinoismeteorites | 393 | 14 | 12 17jack-anthony | 324 | 10 | 10 3281958 | 273 | 6 | 2 jacinth2 | 248 | 2 | 14 phenomenologist | 22 | 3 | 4 birago123456 | 9 | 2 | 3 tigeroakantiques | 0 | 2 | 2 mi-meteorites | -51 | 2 | 3 jnbran | -52 | 1 | 6 driveahumlv | -60 | 2 | 2 pardelmops | -449 | 3 | 1 meteor4911 | -469 | 1 | 3 nickelironmonkey | -6738 | 2 | 1 (15 rows) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed
Do you really not have a clue as to why this happens? Think about it a while. Randy From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "almitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:43:28 -0700 Hello List, I happen to love the list, but I have noticed something. If I post something about ebay, I get A LOT of responses, some agreeing, but most telling me to stop posting things not pertaining to meteorites. I happen to think Ebay is a huge part of our hobby, but I will no longer post anything about ebay for the good of the list. But what I find funny, is when I do post something meteorite related, such as a question, I am lucky to get a few responses, if any! So, what is it the list members want? I would bet all of the longest treads are about non meteorite related subjects! Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Matt Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: almitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed There it is. Blaine said it for me. matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of almitt Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed Hi list, Blaine has asked me to post a message he has been trying to get to the list for two days in regards to the recent fighting. Since he has no internet access I have agreed to post his remarks. I am simply putting this on for him and responses can go to the list but I hope all this will die down now. Blaine in my opinion is a super sharp guy and has a better feeling for the meteorite market than most people. I think listening to his good advise is wise. All my best to everyone. --AL Mitterling From Blaine: ENOUGH ALREADY, All of these ridiculous threats, accusations and ego battles must stop. They are destroying the hobby! Every time there is some kind of flare up on the list, I get phone calls from collectors asking to be dropped from my customer list (and from the number of long term collectors I no longer hear from I suspect many more are taking a more passive route to the same ends). When I ask why, they have all said the same thing; "I am no longer collecting meteorites". They tend to say that it is no longer fun or enjoyable. When pressed further, they have pointed to the list for their new found distaste of meteorites. While this may be well and fine for some of us, as often these people also want to liquidate their collections, it bodes the decline of the hobby. Let's look at this "hobby" thing. Some of you may find it distasteful that I'm putting meteorites in this realm. But, what is a hobby really about? It generally is something (almost anything - mountain climbing and flying ultra-lights are a couple of mine) that brings relaxation or expands your mind to consider other things (meteorites fit more into this aspect). Generally it is something that takes your mind off of the day to day troubles of the real world. Let us now consider how "the list" might be affecting this. The average person has plenty to worry about; politics and headaches at work (or more common lately, whether they'll even have a job next month), car troubles, problems with some neighbors, their kids, schools, etc. Life these days is often fast paced and difficult. Now suppose our "average collector" comes home from a long difficult day at work and finds plenty headaches (the car is damaged, junior is failing math, etc.) waiting there. After awhile our collector goes off to the computer for a little escape to feel more in contact with their hobby (and less with the real world). How long do you suppose this person will last as a collector if, when he turns on his computer, all he gets is the evils of the real world dumped in his lap, and often in a more magnified form then they would likely ever experience in the real world (it's strange, but I've observed some of the most vicious people behind a computer a computer key board are some of the funniest, nicest people you could meet in person)? Chances are, at the point they find that their hobby seems to be adding to their stress instead of reducing it, they will move onto greener pastures. I know, many of you are thinking right now B.S.. Anybody who is on the list is a grown person and likely a seasoned collector, so they can handle these mental assaults. My response is Wrong! Though the people who regularly post to the list may be so, a fair
Re: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed
Hi Michael: A point will taken. But, keep in mind thatanyone can get caught up in the heat of the battle. Check out the listarchives ofMonday,Oct 13th to refresh your memory. Even YOU got caught up in the argument. "Hello Matteo, It has been extremely well documented that in addition to being a cheat, you are, clearly, without question, a liar. However, Matteo, you cruelest lie of all was the ?one you told a couple of weeks ago stating that you were leaving the list. Regretfully, Michael Blood" From: Michael L Blood To: Tom aka James Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, almitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:34:01 -0700 Hi All, I must say I am a bit shocked that my most recent installment of my 4 part series regarding factors that keep the meteorite market depressed has met with virtually NO discussion on the list - particularly since we are witnessing one of the key points being played out on the list right now: dealers fighting in public, name calling, mud slinging, etc. Blaine's letter hit the nail on the head. Sincerely, Michael Don't accept rides from strange men, and remember that all men are strange. Robin Morgan -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Panoramic view of Meteor Crater: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Met eorCraterRimL.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] moderator?
While we are at it why don't we set up anewlist for people that don't have anything better do do with their lives than police the ebay meteorite listings and bitch about it.Randy From: Steve Schoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Pekka Savolainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Dave Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: metlist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] moderator? Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Set up a completely moderated, and closed dealer list, of dealers only. Sounds like a good idea. But will it solve the problems here? Hummm.. Steve Schoner /ams Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ebay descriptions - GOD help us
Hi List, Just taking a poll, am I the only one who gets irritated at all the ebay crap that is on this list? Now, we are not only complaining about the authenticity ofa piece but the description too? You have to be kidding. Perhaps you need ahobby other thaninspecting thewording of ebay auctions. Leave ebay alone and let the buyer beware. Damn, if I ain't getting tired of all this crap. Get a life for crying out loud. Randy From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "meteorite-list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay descriptions Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:32:58 -0700 Hello List, Just taking a poll, am I the only one who gets irritated at some peoples ebay descriptions? It is so strange how some sellers have only "museum quality" meteorites whether it is a 40 pound SA or a 20g rusted Nantan. Others, everything is "HUGE" or "GIGANTIC" even if it is a 12g iron. What ever happen to truth in advertising? Do some people just not have it in them to be honest? Are they so desperate to make a sell that they have to lie? I personally will not buy from sellers that have to use deception to sell a meteorite. If it's a case of them just not knowing, then they should spend a few minutes looking around ebay! : ) Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% offeverything on ...
Here is an idea.. Reputable retailers (like at the mall) will give you a reduction in price ifan item you buy goes on sale within a reasonable amount of time. Why wouldn't this work for meteorite dealers? Example If I sell XXX meteorite this week for $100- per gram and then put it on sale next week for $50- per gram, I give a partial refund to everyone who bought it from me the first week. Randy From: Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael Cottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% offeverything on ... Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:12:05 -0700 Michael, Why don't I "PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around?" Read my article this month in METEORITE TIMES. If you read that and STILL can't figure out why I don't "PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around?" Let me make it clear right here: When you offer merchandise for a given price, then offer the same material later for less - then, if you don't sell all of it at that price, you offer it later for even less - over and over and over, as you do, Michael, you create several effects that go far beyond your personal reality. For one thing, you give buyers the message they should never buy now, wait, and the price will go down (however, this only badly hurts all dealers, not necessarily the collectors.). However, you ALSO burn ALL your own customers who paid more for this material when you originally offered it. I buy something from you for $3.50/g and 2 weeks later you drop the price to $1.75/g - I feel RIPPED OFF. (perhaps you STILL don't get this, despite doing this to all of us who invested heavily in Wagon Wheel - which you, then proceeded to GIVE AWAY. Those of us in for $3.50 a gram felt really burned and I, for one, told you that strait to your face and I KNOW several others who did as well.) ALSO, when you do this, there is NO STABILITY in the meteorite market. Low prices, I am all for it. My collection has never been "gaining weight" so fast. I can make just as much money dealing low priced material as high priced material. No problem. It is the instability that TOTALLY destabilizes everything It really doesn't matter (on a market level) whether meteorites are "cheap" or "expensive" - of course, as a collector, I prefer them cheap - but as a dealer, I don't care one way or the other. WHAT I DO CARE ABOUT IS STABILITY. Without it, neither collectors OR dealers can conduct business in a sane manor. Your CONSTANT "fire sales" followed by even greater fire sales undermine that stability entirely. No one can reckon the "value" of material, because the prices are running all over the board. But you get your cash in hand NOW and that is all you care about. So, Michael, THAT is why I don't "praise some of the cheapest prices around." Get it? Or, is it STILL too subtle for you? I resent it as a collector and I resent it as a dealer. Sincerely, Michael Blood on 10/8/03 12:27 AM, Michael Cottingham at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Maybe I just really don't want to sell that piece that bad!!! Hey ...why don't you look at the other pieces and PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around! Really folks ...don't look for ghosts on this one. Either buy the pieces or don't. It is all up front and it is a public sale. Michael Michael Cottingham - Original Message - From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% off everything on ... it resolves with these useless sentences Matteo --- Michael Cottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: It is something else Michael - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% off everything on ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matteo and Michael Blood should go back to bed...you nit wits! C'mon Michael (C.) - that doesn't really address Michael (B.)'s inquiry about your "discount" pricing. If it's just a (moderately-insulting) marketing ploy to get the same net amount of money for a rock, just say so. If it's something else, just say so. I'm speaking as a past customercould you please answer the question? Gregory = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN
Re: [meteorite-list] PRL To Unravel India Meteor Mystery
WOWZER! All this from a common L5 (most likely) Meteorite? Randy From: Ron Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Meteorite Mailing List) Subject: [meteorite-list] PRL To Unravel India Meteor Mystery Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:44:55 -0700 (PDT) http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=65145 PRL to unravel meteor mystery Ahmedabad Newsline (India) October 7, 2003 Ahmedabad: A piece of rock is the centre of attraction at Physical Research Laboratory (PRL), Ahmedabad these days. The 250-gm rock piece that holds the promise of unravelling the many mysteries of solar system, is a part of the meteorite that landed in Orissa on September 27, and has been brought here by a team of PRL scientists. Although the scientists here are not sure of the age of the rock at the moment, looking at the chondrules (small rounded structures on the rock), they say it appears to be part of some of the most primitive material in space. Scientists say since the rock is radioactive, tests can reveal its age and its detailed study will help them infer what happened in the solar system way back. "This rock (meteorite) is no ordinary piece of stone, as it has in it imprints of the changes that have taken place in the space during the last 4.6 billion years," said a scientist from PRL who visited Orissa. PRL scientists say the iron veins in the rock suggest that after its formation, the rock was subjected to intense heat, following which iron must have flowed into the cracks. A meteorite is a piece of extra-terrestrial solid mass that has survived atmospheric friction and landed on earth. Scientists say when these pieces of extra-terrestrial rocks orbiting the solar system collide with each other, they leave their orbits and travel through earth's atmosphere to land on earth. Usually, a major chunk of the rocks burn during their passage, but whatever matter survive the friction and reach the earth are mines of information. Scientists at PRL say these "meteoric rains" are very important as they provide us with "free samples" of rocks from space. PRL scientists said the rock will be a subject of intense study to find out details about its mineralogy, composition, history and various other factors. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SA micrometeorites?
Hey Tom If I send you a big magnet, will you go and look for some? Randy. IMCA Member but too embarassed toadmit it toanyone. From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "meteorite-list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] SA micrometeorites? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:09:42 -0700 Hello List, Norton writes of three types of meteoritic dust from Sikote-Alin on page 108 in Rocks from Space. The second type he called Micrometeorites. Is there a way to get one of these micros? Ivan, do you have a magnet? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month*. *Depending on the local service providers in your area. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA request
Do you need photos also? Randy NOT a member of IMCA and proud of it!!! - Original Message - From: Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA request Hi again, Dear fellow collectors and dealers J I'd ask you to look through your stock of NWA "junk" (ordinary chondrites of the H and L type). I am trying to get small slices (or part slices, end cuts) of most of the NWA meteorites (for money reasons, I am starting out with the REAL CHEAP stuff *g*). If you can part from some of these (for a reasonable price, of course); I'd be willing to buy it. If you could compile a list and send it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED], I would start buying the stuff when I return from my vacation October 19th. Kind regards, Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems CEO RPGDot.com Managing Director RPGDot Network High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month*. Click here. *Depending on the local service providers in your area. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] usps insurance is fraud
Thanks for all ofthe details on your experiences, Mark. I am keeping your email for future reference. Thank you also for using proper punctuation. :-) Randy From: "Mark Miconi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "harlan trammell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] usps insurance is fraud Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:14:06 -0700 Harlan, Everything you have said is completely wrong. I have been in business 4 years and I ship 2000+ items a year and ALL of them are very fragile. I have never had a single customer have a problem with any of the 29 damaged items they have had. Everyone has collected their claim. There are something's I do to ensure that they do not have a problem. I use only new boxes, USPS boxes when possible. I use only USPS approved materials to pack...newsprint is not approved. I use the proper size box and lots of foam bubblewrap and peanut foam. When a problem occurs and there have only been 29 because I keep track. The procedure is simple and is as follows: Customer contacts me I tell them they need to KEEP all of the materials and box...Throw out nothing. I print out their invoice, their proof of payment and a copy of the auction page. I have the USPS Claim forms here, I fill in my part of the form as the seller and sign it. I put the claim form, the print outs and the POSTMARKED insurance receipt in an envelope and mail it to the customer. When they receive my envelope, they take it and the item in the box it came in with the packing materials to their local post office. Generally it will take 15 minutes for the clerk to complete the claim and then 10 days to receive the check. NONE of my customers ever received one cent less than they paid for their items. THERE ARE PRINTED approved packing material lists available from the post office...I know because I am a post office, I have a USPS Postal License and am approved to print my own postage and to accept items for shipping from third parties. NOW if you want to talk about the private sector...lets do that. In 4 years I have had to file suit in court against Federal Express 3 times in order for them to pay any insurance claim on 5 out of 6 damaged items. They are matters of public record and I can send you the case numbers. FedEx once took a wooden magazine rack that had been scratched during shipment when the box was pierced by their machinery. They had the item 4 months and reduced it to kindling, completely destroying the item. All they were supposed to do is inspect it. It took 2 trips to court before they finally paid my customer. I have 3 additional trips to court to file suits before they finally decided to pay on other claims. FedEx simply does not cover any items over $100.00 in value even though they will allow you to insure them for up to $500.00. You have to prove in court that they were negligent in their handling and that if the negligence had not occured the item would have not been otherwise damaged during normal shipping. That was how I won. I also refer you to FedEx.com at http://www.fedex.com/us/services/termsandconditions/ground/liabilitylimits.html?link=4 They do not cover and are not liable for any item on their list which is the following: 1.. Packages (including freight shipments) containing all or part of the following items are limited to a maximum declared value of $100: 2.. Artwork, including any work created or developed by the application of skill, taste or creative talent for sale, display or collection. This includes, but is not limited to, items (and their parts) such as paintings, drawings, vases, tapestries, limited-edition prints, fine art, statuary, sculpture, collectors' items, customized or personalized musical instruments. 3.. Film, photographic images, including photographic negatives, photographic chromes, photographic slides. 4.. Any commodity that by its inherent nature is particularly susceptible to damage, or the market value of which is particularly variable or difficult to ascertain. 5.. Antiques, any commodity which exhibits the style or fashion of a past era and whose history, age or rarity contributes to its value. These items include, but are not limited to, furniture, tableware, glassware and collectors' items such as coins, stamps, sports cards, souvenirs and memorabilia. (Collector's coins and stamps may not be shipped.) 6.. Glassware, including, but not limited to, signs, mirrors, ceramics, porcelains, china, crystal, glass, framed glass, flat panel display screens (all types), plasma screens, and any other commodity with similarly fragile qualities. 7.. Jewelry, including, but not limited to, costume jewelry, watches and their parts, mount gems or stones (precious or semiprecious), industrial diamonds and jewelry made of precious metal. 8.. Furs, including, but not limited to, fur clothing, fur-trimmed clothing and fur pelts. 9.. Precious metals, including, but not limited to, gold and silver bullion
Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
Now there is a suggestion I can hang my hat on.Randy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "MARK BOSTICK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Meteorite List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 03:34:44 + Speaking of Cat Mountain again, again...I forgot one more name for the new group. Arnoldnolite ...establishing the HEAD Group JD Dave wrote: Perhaps just as a slightly "cleaner" version, might using "HED-group peridotite" rather than "HED-clan peridotite" be a bit better? From my understanding you would say clan. Like eucrites are a clan, and within eucrites you have several groups or different types of eucrites, such as Polymict Eucrite or Unbrecciated Eucrite. Given a few more finds (or more study?), the different Peridotites would receive groups names. It should be noted that nobody calls eucrites, "HED-group eucrites", so would not the name, if decided upon, just be "Peridotite", or should the HED-group part be carried to not confuse people with an earth peridot? Personally, I still like the thought of using historical names for clans, and then the more scientific words added to define the groups. I do however see logic in using names that are easy to recognize for the average geologist. Mark Bostick www.MeteoriteArticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
I think at this time I will just hold on to my piece of Shirokovsky. Seems like the smart thing to do while this all gets sorted out. A piece of Shirokovsky could be a very sought after sample in years to come, depending on the outcome of this controversy. Randy From: "Laurie Kallis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:38:49 -0400 First, let me apologize for the length of this posting. We have been involved with the distribution of Shirokovsky Meteorite since family made the recovery last year. Shirokovskymeteorite.com is our website. Since questions of the meteorite's authenticity were raised we have refrained from making sales and have added a clause to that effect to our webiste. One of the members of the Russian group who made the recovery has written in response to the the questions of authenticity and the accusations. We have translated his response and pasted it into the body of this email. This same article will soon be added to the website. Specimens, properly prepared specimens, are currently being retested in St. Petersburg. Until then So,what on Earth is it? Search Expeditions for the Ugleuralsky (Shirokovsky) Meteorite: 2000-2003 What distinguished the search expeditions then known as the Ugleuralsky meteorite expeditions from other contemporary meteoritic expeditions was their official tone: the preparation under the auspices of the Russian Geographical Society and the involvement of mass media. Thirty people, not counting the local volunteers and Shirokovsky Power Station staff, participated in the four search expeditions that took place between 2000 and 2003. First hand witnesses of the meteorite fall who still live in the Shirokovsky village, those who came to the hole in the ice after experiencing the flash of light and the sound effect in 1956, were thoroughly questioned. Their recollections of the location of the point of impact coincided with the topographic tyings to the terrain reported by the USSR Sverdlovsk Academy of Science expedition carried out in 1956, immediately after the fall. A detailed relief map of the reservoir bottom supplied by the board of the Shirokovsky Power Station, in concordance with the opinions of specialists in ballistics, determined the extent of the search area. The search proved more difficult than expected because constant removal of sunken timber logs from the reservoir bottom over the years had dispersed the meteorite fragments over a much larger area than was originally anticipated. Eventually, with the help of a metal detector, our group recovered approximately 150 kg of samples. Encountering Difficulties The friendliness shown by the local population was inversely proportional to the growing awareness of the potential value of the possible find. A representative of the local Family, paid us a visit by jeep, showing a great but vaguely formulated interest in our diving activities. After our diving group departed in late spring, scientists from the city of Sverdlovsk, led by professor Grokhovsky, arrived with their own group of divers who risked their lives on weakened ice that had developed cracks and was no longer safe to walk on in the hope of locating any meteoritic substance missed by our group. We appealed to the Committee for Meteorites at the Vernadsky Institute to have samples of the Shirokovsky specimens tested. Our appeal was rejected on the grounds that they had no information about the Ugleuralsky meteorite fall, despite a number of scientific and media reports dating back to 1956. Sampling services and subsequent registration were offered by enthusiast A. Milanovsky (http://meteorites.narod.ru), but our group was not looking for easy ways. We planned to have the Shirokovsky samples tested and registered as a meteorite in another country. We sent a representative to the Girorne Meteoritic Fair in Germany where he met people from the same CMET who originally rejected our appeal to have the samples tested. This time, they convinced our representative that it would be patriotic to carry out the research and register the meteorite in Russia. Defining a Meteorite Further developments in our quest to have Shirokovsky registered as a meteorite can serve as a precedent for future discussions on the topic what should be considered a meteorite?. Historically, the system of identification and registration of meteorites first presumes that a sample is either of terrestrial origin or artificial. To prevent the Committee on Meteorites from being transformed into the mining branch, they quickly sift out the rubbish, by searching for specific features defined by a system of identification that follows existing theories of the formation of the universe. Logically, the samples treated most skeptically are those submitted without genealogy, those that have no
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Lands In Back Yard In South Carolina?
NOT See photo on Ron's link. Randy "Not a member of any organization and proud of it" From: Ron Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Meteorite Mailing List) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Lands In Back Yard In South Carolina? Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:10:28 -0700 (PDT) http://www.beaufortgazette.com/local_news/story/2606419p-2418584c.html Meteorite lands in back yard By CHRIS BENDER The Beafort Gazette (South Carolina) June 10, 2003 Dianne Morris saw something out of this world while walking her dogs early Monday morning. A meteorite landed in the Beaufort resident's back yard at about 3:40 a.m. "I was only about 15 feet away from it when it came down," said Morris. "It had a smoky white tail." Morris said small glowing flames dropped from it as it came down and it made a loud popping sound before hitting the ground. It didn't leave a depression, and she was able to pick up several pieces. Morris plans on keeping the few extraterrestrial pieces. While reports like Morris' do come in on occasion, they usually aren't actual meteorites, said Christina Lacey, a professor at the University of South Carolina's physics and astronomy department. "I've never heard of (the reports) panning out," Lacey said. "Certainly, meteorites do hit the Earth." Nothing unusual was detected by the radar at the air station Monday morning, said Master Sgt. Terrance Peck, public affairs chief for Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort. Officials at the National Weather Service in Charleston said a meteorite would be moving too fast for them to track. What a meteorite is made of is one of the factors that determines whether it makes it to the Earth's surface. Lacey said meteorites coming from passing comets, which are composed of ice, usually burn up, while iron-based meteorites that come from asteroids might make it to the surface. Meteorites usually are made of melted minerals with some containing iron-nickel alloys. "Most meteorites tend to be very simple" in composition, Lacey said. "Most meteorites do land in water." According to the National Air and Space Administration's Web site, each day as many as 4 billion meteoroids, most minuscule in size, enter Earth's atmosphere. Most of these meteors burn up from atmospheric friction and never reach the ground. The angle at which the meteoroid enters the planet's atmosphere can also determine whether it breaks up, skips back into space or explodes. Lacey said rarely do man-made meteorites make it to Earth, and when they do it's usually over water. If someone does recover something they think is a meteorite, Lacey said geologists can usually tell whether it's from outer space or not. "You could talk to the geology department at Clemson, the University of South Carolina or the College of Charleston and they could identify it," Lacey said. "A lot of times they can do it just by looking at it." Morris said she doesn't plan on doing anything like that, though she does admit it's somewhat unbelievable. "I just wish I had a video camera at the time," she said. "Without a movie, it's like no one believes you." Contact Chris Bender at 986-5553 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tektite looking objects found in Park Forest
If this incredible discovery turns out to be true then it will only drive the price of this meteorite up even more. It has also been confirmed that pieces picked up after the rain are rusting. So the supply of pristine Park Forest meteorites will be of a much lower weight than the ultimate TKW would indicate. I sure am glad that I got my specimen early. Thanks again Mike for a great piece. Randy From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tektite looking objects found in Park Forest Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 02:29:38 -0800 Hi Mike and list, Sorry you missed out on a truly important find. Several scientist have been consulted and all say that a roof hit by a meteorite could not cause such forms. The official consensus are these are a product of the fall . I was told by one scientist this is an extremely fantastic discovery. A famous NASA Scientist is now involved. This truly is a new discovery. All the best, Adam Hupe - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tektite looking objects found in Park Forest Adam, I spoke with some people and they all tell me tar from roofing does that. I would suggest heating one to see what happens. Mike - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tektite looking objects found in Park Forest Dear List, We compared these to a composition shingle and could not find anything similar. From what I understand a dumbbell has to be spinning in a molten state in order to create such a shape, the same goes for the patty shapes with sunken centers. The few scientist we talked to are going wild over this discovery because nothing as been reported like this before. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: "Steve Witt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tektite looking objects found in Park Forest Adam, I was just going to write and ask you the same question. "Have you checked the shingle?" Meanwhile I have several grams of particles and dust collected from five street and parking lot impact points, that I will "assume" are free of any possible shingle contaminents. I was hoping you could give me an approximate size of the particles you are finding. Thanx, Steve --- Dan Wray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Adam, Are the particles metallic? Can they be picked up with a magnet? In a classic search for micro-meteorites I found the same type of thing in debris from my gutters. It was separated out with a magnet and then sorted under a microscope. I thought that I had found a great collection of micros. That is until I repeated the experiment on my neighbors on both sides, nada, nothing, great disappointment! I have now come to believe that they came from my composition shingles . I have no idea how or what industrial process is involved. I will send you a photo of some that I found. I have always wanted to know more but didn't know where to go from here. I guess a nickel test could be done if I sacrificed enough of them. So far I have been unwilling to as the collecting was very labor intensive. I will be interested in your results. Dan Wray COMETS - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Tektite looking objects found in Park Forest Dear List Members, You are going to think we are insane announcing this but we feel it is important. We acquired a computer game still in the box that was struck by a meteorite inside a house on Dunham street in the Park Forest neighborhood. This is from the same site that Mike Farmer purchased the House Hammering stone. This game box acted as a receptacle trapping some fragments from the meteorite, wood from the attic and sheet rock from the ceiling. While examining the contents of the game box under a microscope we were shocked to see the following objects: Dumbbell shaped glassy forms Teardrop shaped glassy forms Rod shaped glassy forms Patty shaped glassy forms with sunken centers Ball shaped glassy forms Dumbbell http://www.lunarrock.com/ParkForest/microtektites1.jpg Dumbbell and Teardrop http://www.lunarrock.com/ParkForest/microtektites2.jpg
Re: [meteorite-list] 70 gram park forest
So, don't bid on it. But the price is still generally what the finders are asking for it in the field. Randy From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "meteorite-list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] 70 gram park forest Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:16:12 -0700 In two hours a 70 g park forest on ebay is going to end. It is already up to $916, What a joke for a what LL? Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Chunks Crash In South Suburb - illinois
No Fusion Crust = Yet another false alarmRandy From: "Matson, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Chunks Crash In South Suburb - illinois Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:58:46 -0800 Hi All, Where's the fusion crust on the meteorite pictured at the following link? http://www.nbc5.com/news/2067595/detail.html Could the image be THAT overexposed that it looks grey and orange on the outside? Given the past track record of such stories, I wouldn't quite be at the point of booking a flight to Chicago based on this image. I admit that the bolide story sounds better than usual, but I temper that enthusiasm with the knowledge that it occurred around midnight, which is the worst time for a meteoroid in terms of surviving atmospheric passage. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] chondrite with IM Breccia!
I think the best way to combat all this spam of ROCKS is to ignore it completely. From this day forward, I propose that no one on this list respond to these posts. Maybe if we ignore the posts, they will eventually stop. Randy From: "M Yousef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] chondrite with IM Breccia! Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:13:10 + Dear Alll; Here is a very nice rock showing at the same time nice chonrules together with IM breccia. http://alifyaa.com/meteorite/cbr/index.html the IM breccia is similar to this rock: http://alifyaa.com/meteorite/br/index.html and the chondrite is like that you have seen in the previous two posts: http://alifyaa.com/meteorite/cnd/index.html http://alifyaa.com/meteorite/cnd2/index.html Best Wishes Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] just a reminder
YO STEVE Your website address http://www.illinoismeteorites.com that you list at the bottom of your emails does not work for me. WAS UP Also, when was that collectors meeting again? I can't find any reference to it in your latest email? From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] just a reminder Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 06:16:27 -0800 (PST) Hi there list. This is just a reminder, that if you have not noticed, I started using my old email address again.I decided to start now than wait till sunday.So this is where I am now.My catmountain email is GOOO.Look forward to hearing from all off you here. steve arnold = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites Website url http://www.illinoismeteorites.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] lunars
YES From: STEVE ARNOLD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] lunars Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 05:20:45 -0800 (PST) Good morning list.Just wondering if any new lunar meteorites have yet been discoverd this year, or in the last 6 months? steve arnold, chicago, usa! Steve R. Arnold, Chicago, USA!! The Midwest Meteorite Collector! I.M.C.A. #6728 http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock-Picking Farmer Finds $1 Million Meteorite In
Too late. It already is that way. All these clowns think they either found a Lunar or Martian Meteorite because that is what gets all the publicity. Don't try telling them otherwise or you will get your head handed to you and be accused of trying to steal their ticket to the big easy. Randy. From: "Mark Langenfeld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Meteorite Mailing List) Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rock-Picking Farmer Finds $1 Million Meteorite In Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:19:45 -0500 Good news and bad news: When this story gets out, a lot of farmers may start looking more carefully, but anything they find will surely be "worth" a million dollars. STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] possible luner breccia with crust
Give me a break. Looks like the other ROCKS you show us photos of. From: "M Yousef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] possible luner breccia with crust Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:05:27 + Dear List; I cut today one of the nice rocks I collected earlier. It is really one of the best pieces I found during my holiday (must be luner breccia with a very nice white/green clasts and black crust): http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl12/index.html By the way: I sent many samples to some labs arround the world; all initial test showed that many samples are luner! I hope that I will be able to announce the official results soon. Sincerely Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Where is Michael Casper
NO From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Where is Michael Casper Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:20:29 -0500 To quote the song by Chicago"Does anybody really care?" __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] this made my day
GOOD FIND !! Looks Lunar to me! Randy PS -- NOT ! From: "M Yousef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] this made my day Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:45:45 + I posted a message but it seems that it did not get through. If you have received it or will later, I appologize for the duplicate. Please see this new breccia: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl6/ _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another Possible Lunar??
I wish I had a dollar for every possible Lunar, Martian, Mercury, etc. meteorite that I have seen posted to this list. Time will tell the true classification. Randy get 2 months FREE* __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] still looking for nova 001
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Re: [meteorite-list] still looking for nova 001
Sorry about the missing link from Meteorites.com http://www.meteorites.com/Nova001.htm RandyFrom: "Randy Mils" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] still looking for nova 001 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:10:34 -0800 MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.---BeginMessage--- MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Cracking Brahin Pallasite
Sorry Ian, but there is a good reason why Brahin is only a dollar a gram on ebay - it is nothing but crap. Unfortunately you get what you pay for. If you want a beautiful stable pallasite, buty Esquel or Imilac. Luckly your specimen was not too big so you probably did not pay much for it. Randy From: "Ian Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Cracking Brahin Pallasite Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:09:27 + Last night I examined my two inch slice of brahin Pallasite and I've not loked closely at it for a while. It has developed a crack all along one side and when I gently applied pressure to the slice it broke in three pieces !! It's my fave piece and I've not been collecting for long so may have missed something but I was under the impression that Brahin was pretty stable. Am I wrong ? Can anyone offer any advice for the future as to how I should store pallasites - and other pieces for that matter to prevent decomposure. Thanks all. Ian Barrett _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SALE AND I'M SORRY
That all depends on if you ever do give us the photo of your esquel. :-) From: "SSTEVE ARNOLD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "METEORITECENTRAL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] SALE AND I'M SORRY Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 07:07:47 -0500 Hi all. I'm sorry for not getting my photo in one piece to all of you. Also remember, I still have the 50 gram Esquel forsale at $24 a gram, or I'll go half half in cash and trade for meteorites. Again I'm sorry for the non-photo. Let me know! Thank you for e-mailing me, and have a great day! Steve Arnold p.s. Do I say I'm sorry to much? Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
I have to jump in here and agree with Michael Cottingham. Look at what Dean did with CR2. Who is to say what he will do with this one after the next 100 kg come out. I also checked the weather in Morocco. It has not rained in Erfound for a long time. Randy From: "Mark Miconi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Martin Horejsi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:04:32 -0700 Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector adviceYour suggestion sounds like the best advise yet.Mark M. - Original Message - From: Martin Horejsi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Michael Cottingham kindly wrote: "When Zag first came out it was $3-$5.00 per gram and then it shot up to $11.00, and now you can buy Zag for $1.00 to $5.00 per gram.." Hello Michael and All, When I was doing research on my article about Zag for Meteorite Magazine several years ago, I found the first offering of it was at $18 per gram (if I remember correctly). The skyward shot in price was more a reaction to the science and its similarity to the unobtainable Monahans, TX chondrite. There are always risks when purchasing meteorites, Sahara or not. Even some of the more notable US meteorite finds have yielded many more kilograms years after the initial discovery. On the third side of this coin is the possibility that not all of the fall is of the quality that Rob and Dean were able to photograph. Examples of this phenomena include Kora Korrabes, Portales Valley, and even Zag. There were vastly different regions within the meteorite making numbers like TKW and price per gram less important. One piece might be a dud, while another is stunning. My suggestion is to buy out of the pure excitement of collecting. You win some, you loose some. But in the end, it should all be fun. Right? Cheers, Martin Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
Ok, I have to call you on your last statement below. If you are happy with a quick 50% profit then why are you charging $15- per gram on this new meteorite when you probably only have a couple of dollars into it? Is it because you want to strike quickly and make a big profit before other dealers can bring it to market at a reasonable price? Inquiring minds want to know why the big profit % on this one and small profit% on the CR2. What is motivating your high markup on this meteorite? Randy From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:09:35 Nope, I sell meteorites at the lowest price and if I can make 50% quick rather than wait 5 years to make 1000% profit well, boy golly, I do it and move on to getting a great deal on the next meteorite for my customers. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
It is a sure bet that I am right on my guess CURRENTLY OVERPRICED - now, what did i win?Randy From: Jason Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:26:07 -0800 L4 This is fun, Jason Rocks From Heaven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/03/02 21:43:06 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's make this fun. If Rob or Dean would be kind enough to donate a small piece to the person who succsesfully guesses what kind it is it would be great. OK! I have a 26.65g fusion crusted end piece up as the prize, and will have it in the hands of the lucky winner within 48hrs of closing. Someone else can be referee it though please. I still say LL6and I think I said it first, didn't I?? ;-) Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Testing on the list - AOL sucks
Did you ever notice that most list members that send tests to the list are using AOL ? Why don't you guys dump looser AOL and get a real ISP? RandyJoin the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here---BeginMessage--- Hi Dean: Could you answer a few questions for me? I have been lead to believe by your list postingsover the past couple of years that you have been to Morocco only twice and that your main method of operation is to have large amounts shipped directly to you in Canada. You have claimed in the past that this keeps the costs down and I agree it should. How is it that you nowclaim to deal only with the nomads for your meteorites when everyone knows that the majority of meteorites coming out of Morocco originate in Algeria? Are you saying that you go to Algeria? Since you have only been to Morocco twice, how can you claim to know the activities of the other dealers who actually make the trip to Morocco frequently such as Fectay, Labenne, Carion, Farmer, etc. You are aware that the Moroccans will tell you what they think that you want to hear don't you. So if you are relying on what your contacts are telling you then you are probably being lied to. I do not think it is fair for you to try to elevate yourself over the other dealers bringing meteorites out of Morocco by using what is obviously false claims. I think that you have done a great service to collectors by having meteorites shipped to you and offering them at discount prices. I just think you should not tarnish your reputation by claiming to know everything that is going on in Morocco when you have only been there twice. Randy From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] R4 Blowout Sale on Ebay Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:09:34 I didnt spend as much time as other dealers in the meteorite markets searching over resellers meteorites when I was in morocco in January - as unlike other dealers I usually go out into the desert where the nomads live to buy my meteorites so that I get first look at what is being offered. Since I was there anyway though I did spend a couple days going around to all of the resellers and there is currently a large amount of the R chondrites that you have recently been seeing offered for general sale available in morocco now but the nomads and moroccan resellers all know what it is and after seing it offered for $200 a gram on ebay they want big bucks for it. I bought a few R4 stones and sold most of what I bought to my regular buyers. I have remaining a single 69 gram R4 that I have just cut up and put on ebay at the lowest price that any R chondrite has ever been offered at by any dealer. Becides the ebay auctions I have a 3.48 and a 4.78 gram complete slice and a 12.7 and a 16.5 gram endpieces. The endpieces might be sold as I am meeting a customer later today but whatever I have left out of these four specimens is $35 a gram to list members if I dont sell it today. Or see my ebay auctions. User id "amunre". I have just listed 16 auctions of the current R4 material that is currently circulating around morocco on ebay. All of the auctions have buy it now options so check asap for first choice. When I am in Morocco I usually get first look at the meteorites that are offered for sale so you might want to be first to do the same with my ebay auctions in order to get best pickings. Cheers DEAN _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Bessey's Morocco trips
Hi Dean: Could you answer a few questions for me? I have been lead to believe by your list postingsover the past couple of years that you have been to Morocco only twice and that your main method of operation is to have large amounts shipped directly to you in Canada. You have claimed in the past that this keeps the costs down and I agree it should. How is it that you nowclaim to deal only with the nomads for your meteorites when everyone knows that the majority of meteorites coming out of Morocco originate in Algeria? Are you saying that you go to Algeria? Since you have only been to Morocco twice, how can you claim to know the activities of the other dealers who actually make the trip to Morocco frequently such as Fectay, Labenne, Carion, Farmer, etc. You are aware that the Moroccans will tell you what they think that you want to hear don't you. So if you are relying on what your contacts are telling you then you are probably being lied to. I do not think it is fair for you to try to elevate yourself over the other dealers bringing meteorites out of Morocco by using what is obviously false claims. I think that you have done a great service to collectors by having meteorites shipped to you and offering them at discount prices. I just think you should not tarnish your reputation by claiming to know everything that is going on in Morocco when you have only been there twice. Randy From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] R4 Blowout Sale on Ebay Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:09:34 I didnt spend as much time as other dealers in the meteorite markets searching over resellers meteorites when I was in morocco in January - as unlike other dealers I usually go out into the desert where the nomads live to buy my meteorites so that I get first look at what is being offered. Since I was there anyway though I did spend a couple days going around to all of the resellers and there is currently a large amount of the R chondrites that you have recently been seeing offered for general sale available in morocco now but the nomads and moroccan resellers all know what it is and after seing it offered for $200 a gram on ebay they want big bucks for it. I bought a few R4 stones and sold most of what I bought to my regular buyers. I have remaining a single 69 gram R4 that I have just cut up and put on ebay at the lowest price that any R chondrite has ever been offered at by any dealer. Becides the ebay auctions I have a 3.48 and a 4.78 gram complete slice and a 12.7 and a 16.5 gram endpieces. The endpieces might be sold as I am meeting a customer later today but whatever I have left out of these four specimens is $35 a gram to list members if I dont sell it today. Or see my ebay auctions. User id "amunre". I have just listed 16 auctions of the current R4 material that is currently circulating around morocco on ebay. All of the auctions have buy it now options so check asap for first choice. When I am in Morocco I usually get first look at the meteorites that are offered for sale so you might want to be first to do the same with my ebay auctions in order to get best pickings. Cheers DEAN _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Zagora CR2 NWA 801
So, based on your argument, everytime Dave Andrews searches the Holbrook strewnfield and finds an obvious Holbrook, that diminishes the value of all other "legitimate" Holbrooks.Should thisflawed argument hold true for every other strewnfield on earth.? NWA 801 is just as valid a name as Holbrook, Canyon Diablo, Sikhote-alin, Imilac, Gao, Glorietta or any other meteorite that comes from a strewnfield. Any future finds that are obvious pairings should be called exactly what they are. Doesn't matter if it is a named or numbered strewnfield the logic is the same. Randy From: Robert Verish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] Zagora "CR2" "NWA 801" Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:48:16 -0800 (PST) But then, you find all your competitors calling their stones "NWA 801"! They are essentially reaping the benefits of your efforts. Or worse, the dilution caused by all their various "NWA 801" stones may negate the value of your genuine, classified mass. I would think this would be a concern of yours, as well. Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SNCs
Nakhlites are much more fragile than Shergottites. Maybe this has something to do with it. They may tend to weatheraway faster. I have never held a large piece of Chassigny so I can not say from experience if it is as fragile as Nakhla. Randy From: "Jamie Ekholm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] SNCs Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:29:43 -0600 I am just curious. Does anyone know why it seems Shergottites are more common than Nakhlites or Chassignites? It just seems that if a new Martian meteorite is found, you can almost bet it will be a Shergottite. Is it just that they had a better chance of surviving the journey from impact on mars to the fall through our atmosphere? Jamie Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Autographed Encyclopdedia of Meteorites?
The Cambridge Encylopedia is not yet out. I believe it is due the end of March. Only two copies have been sold at the Tucson show. The #1 autogrephed, certified copy was purchased by Mike Farmer at Blood's auction. I believe Steve Arnold has the second copy. Do not be fooled by sales of the old hardback book at inflated prices. They can be bought for $30- from the Big Collector and Mike Farmer. Randy From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Autographed Encyclopdedia of Meteorites? Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:31:57 -0800 (PST) Good Morning- Will any of you be handling autographed versions of the new Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites coming out? I have wore my Rocks from Space paperback book nearly out and wish now I had bought one of the autographed hardbacked versions. This time I plan on getting a real keeper of the new release if I can. Thanks You, Mike Groetz __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA LUNAR and MARTIAN
Or, you are just blowing smoke like you always do. From: "Michael Casper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA LUNAR and MARTIAN Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:10:14 -0500 Beleive it or not. I just got off the phone with a reliable source. (in NWA) Lunar and Mars material is now wholesaling for $100.00 USD per gram! That is the initial asking price! Over 1 kg of LUNAR material is available and over 3 kg of Mars I'd guess I could buy it all for under $50.00 per gram! xox, MC Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] got some new meteorites
Don't hold your breath. From: "Graham Christensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] got some new meteorites Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:23:32 + For anyone interested, I got the meteorites from Michael Farmer and they are really cool! I got: NWA 785 (L6) NWA 241 (H4) NWA 085 (H3.8) Kunashak (veined L6) Imilac (pal) Many thanks to Michael Farmer. I have not yet received anything from Michael Casper. I look forward to getting those pieces, Have you sent them yet? Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
