sharing your coordinates with the public at
large of where you have located your finds?
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Greg
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Greg, All,
These laws that restrict what can be taken off of BLM
Eric, All,
Eric said, You can't group all meteorite hunters into one group. You
alienate the professional hunter who records the data like you do.
I did and do make a distinction: I'll quote myself.
Which isn't to say that many people aren't doing spectacular jobs of
documenting their finds,
I'll give up my meteorites when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers.
Paul Swartz
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The meteorite thing is just one example of the intrusion of government
into the lives of people. The only reason it is bothering the members
here
is that it affects them directly.
The Meteorite collecting world may be just coming to grips with
government
interferance. The gold
Oops, sorry, I replied to the wrong thread. This message was meant to
go on the sad day thread.
Jeff
Once everybody gets all the anger out of their systems, the time comes
for all interested parties to work within the existing framework of
laws, regulations, and precedents and help develop
Good morning,
I don't know the U.S.-laws.
(Cause I was convinced, that USA would stay always the land of the free and
there was a different perception of the relation between citizen and state).
In general I think we have to differentiate between laws regarding ownership
of private individuals
Hi List,
I think this is a lot of worry and noise over nothing. The only thing
that has changed with this announcement is a block of text on a
website.
How a law is worded, versus how it is enforced are two different things.
It's illegal to keep arrowheads you find in Florida, yet almost every
: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
Hi List,
I think this is a lot of worry and noise over nothing. The only thing
that has changed with this announcement is a block of text on a
website.
How a law is worded, versus how it is enforced are two different things.
It's illegal to keep arrowheads
I agree with Greg 100%!
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From: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com
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Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 9:59:45 PM
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Jason,
Just stating
It's clearly Leaverite!
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From: Erik Fisler erikfw...@msn.com
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Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 11:26:27 PM
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Hi,
If worst comes to worst I will refind the meteorites
: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
Greg, Ron, Chris, All,
And some here might disagree with you about your point of view;
something that [you]'ve observed over the past few years isn't fact,
it's opinion, and if you want to start a debate about how large
governments are bad, I think you
: Tue, March 9, 2010 1:21:44 AM
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Jason,
Speaking of hunting for meteorites in an illegal way, you wrote, So when you
tell me that I'm breaking a law...kind of, I suppose. I have never sold or
traded a find, and never will. They will all wind
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Greg, Ron, Chris, All,
And some here might disagree with you about your point of view;
something that [you]'ve observed over the past few years isn't fact,
it's opinion
, 9 Mar 2010 09:39:19 -0800
From: mina...@yahoo.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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How would you feel if they passed a law outlawing the trade of all U.S.
meteorites, regardless of how they were acquired? Surely most people
wouldn't
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Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 6:18:48 AM
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Hi List,
I think this is a lot of worry and noise over nothing. The only
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Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:07:57 AM
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Oops, sorry, I replied to the wrong thread. This message was meant to go
on the sad day thread.
Jeff
Once everybody gets all
, March 9, 2010 10:03:04 AM
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Many countries have what are referred to loosely as Antiquity National
Heritage Acts and this is modeled after the same. Simply expressed, a wide
net is being cast, and it's not a novel idea for meteorites to be viewed
Remember Lorton
Hmm...
What ever came of that anyway?
Greg S.
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:15:25 -0800
From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
Hi Daryl and List
Dear Mr. Balister,
I find it ironic that on the one hand you enjoy the public lands which
have been preserved by the government, then on the other, argue that
the implementation of the rules which help to preserve the lands are
an infringement of your freedom.
Dennis Beatty
On Mar 9,
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Hi Daryl and List,
My concern is that laws that have nothing to do with meteorites are being
twisted to include them with no input from the public whatsoever. To me
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Many countries have what are referred to loosely as Antiquity National
Heritage Acts and this is modeled after the same. Simply expressed, a wide
net is being cast, and it's not a novel
...@q.com
To: James Balister balisterja...@att.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 12:22:37 PM
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Dear Mr. Balister,
I find it ironic that on the one hand you enjoy the
public
, a note. WWW.doi.gov He is a
Colorado
rock-hounder.
Keep your chin up! Happy Hunting!
Dennis Miller
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:22:37 -0800
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Best!
Martin
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Hi Daryl and List,
My
coordinates with the public at
large of where you have located your finds?
Shawn Alan
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(...)
Archaeology is the science dealing with ancient times and human history.
This kind of science has absolutely nothing to do with meteorites, neither
are meteorites research objects of that science
How is picking up the odd meteorite damaging the land? That is, what needs
preserving? It's not like the Meteorite Men are out there strip mining for
asteroids.
Perhaps one could file a mining claim..
Paul Swartz
I find it ironic that on the one hand you enjoy the public lands which
Now reallyWho among us DIDNT see this coming??!! I have to tell this story.
I have been cold hunting (yeah, call me crazy, whatever) on and off for going
on six years now in the state of PA. Believe this or not, I have yet to have a
landowner refuse me access here in my home state, and
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Dear Martin,
absolutely nothing?
- a meteorite such as Winona, with the fragments ritually burried in a
stone-cist by the Sinagua Indians - is a research-object of Archaeology;
- a nameless iron meteorite, transformed to a dagger and burried
Dan, I'm sure the guys had proper permission and so forth for their S.AZ hunt,
and really I am not THAT familiar with the state of Arizona as far as the laws
are concerned, and I wouldnt want to speculate either way on that. Also, I
would like to make clear that I'm not attacking Geoff or
Linton,
You needn't worry, meteorite hunting will continue, coordinates will be
recorded and data still be provided to the scientific community. The law
is the same as it was, it's simply being published more publicly on the
BLM's websites. However if people do try to enforce it, it will not
)... ;-)
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Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 11:41:23 AM
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Dennis, I never said that I hunted public land. In fact I hunt
Hi all,
John Blennart just sent me this email.
It seems that meteorite Hunting (from now on) will be illegal on all
government lands - yes even BLM!
No more Dry lake Beds, Franconia, Gold Basin, Holbrook, Glorieta,
etc. (Unless of course you find private land and get permission)
Check it
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From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 6:11 PM
Hi all,
John Blennart just sent me this email.
It seems that meteorite Hunting (from now
Richard and all,
This is NOT just for Oregon and Washington (Hell, who is hunting
meteorites there anyway?)
John Blennart has been talking with government people who have assured
him. All the old Forest Service and BLM web sites will be changed to
read the new rules for meteorites.
This is
Ruben,
If you read on it a bit further it says;
Material such as agate, chert, jasper, petrified wood, obsidian, cinders and
other volcanic products are generally not considered locatable under the 1872
Mining Law.
It seems to me these rocks you call meteorites are also volcanics?? So, I will
collecting on public lands!!
Mark B.
Vail, AZ
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From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com
To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 6:11:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
Hi all,
John Blennart just sent me
From: cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net
To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com; Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 7:04:08 PM
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Ruben,
If you read on it a bit further
Hi All,
Check this out.
Sonny
http://www.nbmg.unr.edu/infof.htm
METEORITE COLLECTION AND IDENTIFICATION
COLLECTION
Only four authenticated meteorites have been found in Nevada to date,
and all four are on display there. It is likely many more have either
been overlooked or collected and
Hi Sonny,
That is how it wasThey assured John Blennart that ALL web
sites will soon be changed to read as the Oregon/Washington site.
Rock On!
Ruben Garcia
Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos:
Well that is sad.
What is the effective data of the law?
--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081
--- On Mon, 3/8/10, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
To: Richard Kowalski damoc
Hi List,
This statement made by Ruben is unsettling:
This is REAL! John has been saying this was in the works for weeks now
- It seems that the recent interest in meteorites made them look into
doing this.
Sad day indeed...
Meteorite Hunting Illegal in USA?!
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/meteorite-hunting-illegal-in-usa/
Those wishing to comment please feel free.
Regards,
Eric
On 3/8/2010 5:11 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote:
Hi all,
John Blennart just sent me this email.
It seems that
-
From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 pm
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Hi Sonny,That is how it wasThey assured John Blennart that ALL
websites will soon be changed to read as the Oregon/Washington
...@yahoo.com
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Richard and all,
This is NOT just for Oregon and Washington (Hell, who is hunting
meteorites there anyway?)
John Blennart has been talking with government people who have assured
him. All
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:51:50 -0700
From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
To: damoc...@yahoo.com
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
Richard and all,
This is NOT just for Oregon and Washington (Hell, who is hunting
meteorites there anyway
-0800
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To: gee...@msn.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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Really, Greg?
Politics?
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:17 PM, GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com wrote:
Hi Ruben,
Everyone should take this to heart
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From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com
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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:11 PM
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Hi all,
John Blennart just sent me this email.
It seems that meteorite Hunting
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Subject: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
Ruben and Listers,
Its not that sad of a day. I did some researching on the website Ruben
provided and this is what the U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR BUREAU OF LAND
MANAGEMENT of Oregon state states about rock collection
: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com
To: meteorite...@gmail.com
Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
Just stating an observation about something that I've observed over the
past few years. My
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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:28:55 -0800
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
Hi All:
I know someone that works at the Smithsonian and I asked about this a few
years ago. His reply:
We also talked about the
legality of collecting on BLM property
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From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com
To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
Richard and all,
This is NOT just for Oregon
is getting quite big, no?
Greg Lindh
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:51:50 -0700
From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
To: damoc...@yahoo.com
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
Richard and all
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
Ruben and Listers,
Its not that sad of a day. I did some researching on the website Ruben
provided and this is what the U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR BUREAU OF
LAND MANAGEMENT of Oregon state states about rock
works, huh.
Greg
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 22:43:03 -0800
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From: meteorite...@gmail.com
To: gee...@msn.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Greg, Ron, Chris, All,
And some here might disagree
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 22:43:03 -0800
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From: meteorite...@gmail.com
To: gee...@msn.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Greg, Ron, Chris, All,
And some here might disagree with you about your point
Jason,
You can't group all meteorite hunters into one group. You alienate the
professional hunter who records the data like you do. I commend you on
your dry lake bed finds and the data you gathered! I wish all hunters
did that. I hunt with and know many that do. But to say what you said so
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