[uf-discuss] Images not displaying during mailing list registration

2011-02-24 Thread Michael Elliot
Hello, When registering with a mailing list, most of the images are forbidden (e.g. http://microformats.org/images/mailman/PythonPowered.png) and thus not displaying correctly. Regards, Michael Elliot Network Digital ___ microformats-discuss mailing

RE: [uf-discuss] hcalendar - irregular repeat of identical meeting.

2009-03-05 Thread Michael MD
Try iCalendar's RDATE property. Does much software actually implement this kind of thing in the iCal world? Or is it still kind of maybe/maybe not (not to be relied apon) like timezones! ___ microformats-discuss mailing list

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard slowing adoption of microformats?

2008-12-08 Thread Michael MD
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Tantek Celik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Such companies are already going to far greater extents to scrape anything resembling contact information (without really caring about false positives etc since as your quotes point out quantity is their game) from text,

Re: [uf-discuss] Lets talk about rev?

2008-11-17 Thread Michael MD
I would like to ask please can we (the community) start talking about rev microformats again please, I know that rev is grandfathered in new Microformats because most of the time the average author gets it wrong ... html5 doesn't have the rev attribute ...

[uf-discuss] mama

2008-10-21 Thread Michael MD
http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/mama/ looks interesting ... might there be a way to search for classnames with this soon? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard: born and died and flourished

2008-08-29 Thread Michael Smethurst
Hi Toby / all On 21/8/08 14:49, Toby A Inkster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I've decided to use class=dday for date of death and class='flourished-start' and class='flourished-end' for flourished dates Where either date is circa I've included ca. in the span with bday, dday,

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard: additional additional names

2008-08-29 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 21/8/08 18:41, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Smethurst wrote: Hi Martin On 14/8/08 15:48, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *family-name-preposition* is probably more accurate to what you are trying to describe von in dutch simply means of or from Oh I

[uf-discuss] hCard: Quick question about nicknames

2008-08-29 Thread Michael Smethurst
Hello The data I'm working with has an optional pseudonym field on the people table. Some of the values in here look like nicknames (eg le cadet, le grand, JC001): http://bbc-hackday.dyndns.org:2840/people/44970 http://bbc-hackday.dyndns.org:2840/people/31944

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: Quick question about nicknames

2008-08-29 Thread Michael Smethurst
Hi Ciaran On 29/8/08 12:30, Ciaran McNulty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For now I'm marking them all up with class=nickname. Is this stretching the semantics of nickname too much? Should I just be POSH and use class

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard: additional additional names

2008-08-21 Thread Michael Smethurst
Hi Martin On 14/8/08 15:48, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael Michael Smethurst wrote: On 14/8/08 12:32, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/14, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On listings pages and: h1 class=vcard a href=http

[uf-discuss] hcard: born and died and flourished

2008-08-21 Thread Michael Smethurst
Just wanted to run some stuff past people. I'm working with a table of composers/artists and starting to markup birth and death dates. The cases I've seen: - both dates unknown http://bbc-hackday.dyndns.org:1895/people/797 - date of death unknown http://bbc-hackday.dyndns.org:1895/people/396 -

Re: [uf-discuss] NetNewsWire ditches support for microformats

2008-08-18 Thread Michael MD
IMHO, what this highlights is the need to push adoption of plugins that make it easier to publish microformatted html in blog posts and such. A few of us who write posts by hand, have no problem sprinkling microformats in our posts, but to become common place, we need to have the mainstream

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard: additional additional names

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 13/8/08 10:50, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/13, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 3. Should I just collapse last_name_prefix and last_name into: span class=family-namelast_name_prefix last_name/span There doesn't seem to be a way of marking up last_name_prefix

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard: additional additional names

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Smethurst
any more. Otherwise Irish phonebooks would be nothing but O :) Certainly I remember that my name was under D on the register at school. Cheers Jim O'Donnell Original Message: - From: Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:54:36 +0100

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard: additional additional names

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 14/8/08 12:32, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/14, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On listings pages and: h1 class=vcard a href=http://localhost:3005/people/16; class=n fn url span class=given-nameLudwig/span span class=family-name-prefixvan/span span class

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard: additional additional names

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 14/8/08 13:36, Toby A Inkster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But some detach: Beethoven, Ludwig van span class=fn n span class=given-nameLudwig/span span class=family-name van span class=sort-stringBeethoven/span /span /span But as I said earlier on listing pages it

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard: additional additional names

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 14/8/08 15:23, Toby A Inkster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But as I said earlier on listing pages it should be Beethoven, Ludwig van Not especially pretty, but: span id=b class=sort-stringBeethoven/span, span class=fn n span class=given-nameLudwig/span span class=family-name

[uf-discuss] hcard: additional additional names

2008-08-13 Thread Michael Smethurst
://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-rfc2426#N_Example_1 Suggests that's fine 3. Should I just collapse last_name_prefix and last_name into: span class=family-namelast_name_prefix last_name/span There doesn't seem to be a way of marking up last_name_prefix separately Thanks for your help Michael http

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard: additional additional names

2008-08-13 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 13/8/08 10:50, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/13, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So my questions are: 1. can I just use span class=additional-namemiddle_name_1 middle_name_2 middle_name_3/span? ... Or should I use: span class=additional-namemiddle_name_1

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats to describe a broadcast

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Smethurst
Hi Tom + Tom On 12/7/08 00:20, Tom Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm working for Channel4 on a new programme guide and am interested to know if there was any resolution made on the discussion the BBC took part in early

Re: [uf-discuss] Human and machine readable data format

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Smethurst
Hello On 12/7/08 14:50, Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Dan Brickley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toby A Inkster wrote: Paul Wilkins wrote: We should leverage the computers ability to do the hard work for us. pDate span class=dateFriday, July the

Re: [uf-discuss] Human and machine readable data format

2008-07-14 Thread Michael
Seems to me there are 2 solutions: 1. relax the data hiding constraint (tricky because it's fundamental to the uf design philosophy and it's relaxation has been rejected many times) 2. maintain the status quo. Keep the abbreviation design pattern for machine friendly data and leave it up to

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformat for statistical (tabular) data

2008-07-01 Thread Hausenblas, Michael
We work not precisely on a microformat, but you may also want to look at http://purl.org/NET/scovo (the statistical core vocabulary). Cheers, Michael -- Michael Hausenblas, MSc. Institute of Information Systems Information

Re: [uf-discuss] RE: Microformats and RDFa not as far apartas previously thought

2008-06-30 Thread Michael MD
4. Respect the natural language, calendar, and writing system preferences of the human content author. The ONLY way I can see to do that without compromising on reliability or speed would be to actually fully describe the date format in the markup in the page itself.

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previouslythought

2008-06-28 Thread Michael MD
The focus seems to have drifted toward smarter parsing of dates, but the Sure ... splitting the date into day, month and year could be workable, or somehow describing a date format in another element, if there is a standard way to do it and it is easy to do, but I'm opposed to anything that

Re: [uf-discuss] RE: Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previouslythought

2008-06-25 Thread Michael MD
Guillaume Lebleu wrote: span class=dstart lang=en-usOctober 5, 2004/span Cognition already supports this as a last ditch attempt at parsing dates - but I wouldn't recommend it get adopted widely. It's too unreliable; too much work to deal with internationalisation; too much work

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought

2008-06-25 Thread Michael Smethurst
. Michael On 24/6/08 17:03, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There have been some interesting blog posts by people at the BBC, Mozilla and W3C about Microformats and RDFa in the past two days. The first covers BBC's decision to drop support for the abbr-based design pattern written

Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-29 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 28/5/08 13:41, Alasdair King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Alasdair Big thanks for this - really interesting and helpful. One or 2 comments inline Hi Michael, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply any mendacity on your part. I'm fully appreciative and admiring of the BBC's long-term

Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-28 Thread Michael Smethurst
Thanks benjamin I had a quiet day lined up. Looks like I'll be subscribing to mailing list now ;-) On 24/5/08 12:42, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frances Berriman wrote: I realise I mentioned this URL in the last thread I was active on, but I wanted to bring this to the

Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-27 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 22/5/08 19:04, Alasdair King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Smethurst wrote: Of 4 users 2 had abbreviation expansion turned on. Ah, but what was your sample group? Were they, by any chance, highly-able professionals, probably with a business interest in web design and accessibility

Re: [uf-discuss] RE: microformats-discuss Digest, Vol 36, Issue 9

2008-05-22 Thread Michael MD
I would hate to inflict an ISO date on my sighted readers either. actually I don't mind sometimes showing people -mm-dd. The general public does need a bit of education about writing dates clearly! At least they can't be confused with some other date! ... but on many pages out in the big

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: One more shot at accessible hCalendar

2008-05-15 Thread Michael MD
Remember that any page these occur on would presumably have a language specification such as en-us so computers would be able to deal with standard month and day of week names and abbreviations. I'm sorry, but this sounds like a really bad idea. Parsers would need to maintain translation tables

Re: [uf-discuss] Optimus 0.5.1

2008-04-10 Thread Michael MD
• support of nested includes nested includes? ! my guess is that anyone doing that would be asking for trouble! ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org

Re: [uf-discuss] Parsing XFN in PHP

2008-04-10 Thread Michael MD
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Julian Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Modifications to reduce dependencies and just possibly work with PHP4 -1 from me, PHP5 is approaching 4 years old and PHP6 is just around the corner, and the gains from using PHP5's object syntax are almost

Re: [uf-discuss] hCardMapper v0.96

2008-04-01 Thread Michael MD
...but withal that wrong naming of the jCard attributes, microJSON is a good idea to solve this given problem. We should use the started wiki page: http://microformats.org/wiki/json to find the best mapping between the HTML- and JSON version of a Microformat. interesting ... I was looking

[uf-discuss] hAtom question

2008-03-10 Thread Michael Smethurst
and updated/created requirements. Any idea if/when this will happen? I'd like to add hAtom to all our episode aggregations [4] on bbc.co.uk/programmes and authorship and dating are tricky Sorry if I'm being a numpty - just a bit confused michael [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom#Schema [2

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-10 Thread Michael Smethurst
+1 On 8/3/08 21:45, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got back from vacation, otherwise this would have gone out sooner. It has come to my attention that Andy Mabbett has been banned by the admins for 18 months[1]. This is an unjust punishment, especially considering that he is

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Putting microformats on the BBC iPlayer

2008-03-05 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 4/3/08 16:42, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as I've pointed out before, the imminent release of Firefox 3, with native support for microformats, will see a significant leap in public awareness of microformats. Is this still true? My understanding was that native uf support would

Re: [uf-discuss] Putting microformats on the BBC iPlayer

2008-03-05 Thread Michael Smethurst
Hi Adam We've had the same problems with http://bbc.co.uk/programmes. For now we've stuck with the standard abbr design pattern but as Mr Mabbett helpfully pointed out our use has potential accessibility issues and definite semantic nastiness. See here:

Re: [uf-discuss] Putting microformats on the BBC iPlayer

2008-03-05 Thread Michael Smethurst
:21, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Adam We've had the same problems with http://bbc.co.uk/programmes. For now we've stuck with the standard abbr design pattern but as Mr Mabbett helpfully pointed out our use has potential accessibility issues and definite semantic nastiness

RE: [uf-discuss] Re: Perl microformat parsing

2008-02-23 Thread Michael MD
Web::Scraper http://search.cpan.org/dist/Web-Scraper/ Interesting ... didn't know about that one... I had a go at a perl parser for microformats a couple of years ago: Test version here http://www.spraci.com/cgi-bin/microformats.cgi I tried to keep dependencies down to a minimum for this.

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats for Write APIs

2008-02-18 Thread Michael MD
Standardisation might be interesting here as well. For instance back to blog comments. Comments from within aggregators would likely be simpler where comment form definitions can be established programmatically. The problem is that comment spammers would love that too! (similar issue as with

RE: [uf-discuss] Editor integration (was: NLP was Apple DataDetectors)

2008-02-11 Thread Michael MD
Do you or anyone know of any microformats integration work with TinyMCE or any insight into why it hasn't happened yet? Seems like there has been some talk about this on this list back in 2006. I did have a go at something like this a couple of years ago but at the time my javascript

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 7/2/08 00:13, Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't disagree that groups/bands should be considered organisations. This takes me back several months (June 2007) to a thread about whether both music:groups and music:artists_singular should be marked up as organisations:

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 7/2/08 11:59, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, February 7, 2008 09:55, Michael Smethurst wrote: This takes me back several months (June 2007) to a thread about whether both music:groups and music:artists_singular should be marked up as organisations: http://www.mail

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 7/2/08 15:30, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, February 7, 2008 14:33, Michael Smethurst wrote: Not sure I follow. The hcard wiki page says nickname optimisation happens when FN and ORG are not the same, and the value of the FN property is exactly one word. What would

Re: [uf-discuss] Apple Data Detectors

2008-02-06 Thread Michael MD
But much of these bad things can be aleviated by one of the other suggestions in this thread: As-you-type validation. As soon as you type in Feb for instance, autocomplete style routines kick into action, helping the author write the date in exactly the right format. Then as they hit publish it

RE: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-05 Thread Michael MD
Why doesn't the following work for you, then? div class=haudio span class=contributorPrimal Scream/span - span class=albumScreamadelica/span /div That may be fine for someone who just wants to mark up some tracks they like on a personal blog ... but an artist or record store may want to

Re: [uf-discuss] Apple Data Detectors

2008-02-05 Thread Michael MD
people write dates, addresses, etc on the Web or on their emails. Asking people to write Tuesday, February 5, 2008 in this order, with the commas, etc. is very likely even simpler for normal people than writing you would *think* so - and it would certainly be nice but the behaviour or

Re: [uf-discuss] Firefox 3 (was: Icons of MF wiki)

2008-01-11 Thread Michael Smethurst
for me and my colleagues -Alex On Jan 11, 2008, at 2:02 AM, Michael Smethurst wrote: On 10/1/08 18:03, Alex Faaborg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By next release, do you mean 3.0.1 (or some such) or 4.0? The next major release (point releases are primarily used for security

[uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Michael Smethurst
Hello! I'm looking into marking up contact details for tv and radio programmes Typically they have a telephone number, an email address, possibly a fax number and often a sms short code Is there a preferred way to mark-up the sms short code? http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Michael MD
I'm not sure I'd bother distinguishing between landline and mobile, for the same reasons that you mentioned. It's largely irrelevant. My choice of work, home, mobile was more an indication of where I'm likely to be if you reach me on one of these numbers, ie, if you know I'm at home, you're

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Michael MD
Would you, for example, put down, preferred from 0900-1700IST, except on weekends and between the 5th and 15th of May, unless you're signed up with plan foo on provider bar as meta info for the number? No, but people might sometimes like to know if its a mobile or a landline (and perhaps

RE: [uf-discuss] Operator Thunderbird

2008-01-06 Thread Michael MD
Does anyone know if Operator supports microformats in HTML mail via Thunderbird? If not, any plans? I would LOVE to see some of those event promoters who keep sending me those colourful html emails about events mark up their emails in hCalendar! ...or at least include *something* machine

RE: [uf-discuss] Using an external resource for the include-pattern

2008-01-05 Thread Michael MD
I presume the ease of implementation is referring to a *parser* grabbing the data from another resource. As far as marking up a document, I don't see how the vast majority of use cases should dictate this and it is certainly trivial to provide a relative/absolute URL in the href (e.g.

Re: [uf-discuss] A further possible solution to the abbr accessibility issue

2008-01-02 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 2/1/08 10:57, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes There are other ways to hide information from people while still allowing it to be accessible by machines. For example: !-- uf:duration PT2M23S -- There is no

Re: [uf-discuss] uf on mobile devices WAS: A further possiblesolution to the abbr accessibility issue

2008-01-02 Thread Michael MD
I think your best bet on that would be to use X2V (or the likes) or a JS based approach. unless you are only aiming at a relatively small number of early adopters forget about using javascript on phones using the browsers they come with. Only the latest models are likely to have much chance of

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns

2007-12-17 Thread Michael MD
This would be acceptable: span class=durationspan class=seconds3/span seconds/span Or if we wanted to use the hMeasurement approach: span class=duration title=3sthree seconds/span span class=duration title=2min 3stwo minutes, three seconds/span span

RE: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns

2007-12-16 Thread Michael MD
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis Sent: Monday, 17 December 2007 7:33 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns Manu Sporny wrote: There are really two questions that we're

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns

2007-12-16 Thread Michael MD
what about html5's datetime attribute? (would only be of use in html5 though) ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes

2007-12-13 Thread Michael Smethurst
Cc-ing (hopefully) interested bbc parties Hello Andy Long time no hear On 12/12/07 19:02, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Just to say that hCalendar is used fairly extensively to describe broadcasts

[uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes

2007-12-05 Thread Michael Smethurst
Hello! Just to say that hCalendar is used fairly extensively to describe broadcasts on bbc.co.uk/programmes here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/genres/music And here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/formats/animation And here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qpgr/laston And etc

Re: [uf-discuss] problem with firebug and fn org in vcard

2007-11-13 Thread Michael MD
site. One example for a site full of vcards is http://www.computerbild.de/cb-Service-Herstelleradressen_465611.html. It's not the fn org causing the trouble, as the errors from Firebug occurs on line 369. It appears to be hundreds of the same duplicate error that firebug is showing. I'd guess

Re: [uf-discuss] adr in Operator

2007-11-08 Thread Michael MD
One more change I'm considering for Operator. Removing support for an adr by itself in the UI. Basically the problem is that unlike just about other microformat (except geo), there's really nothing good to display for adr in the UI (the address just looks silly). And because I try so hard to

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [uf-new] Mapping Microformats to RDFa

2007-10-15 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 13/10/07 10:36, Tom Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/12/07, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great! Where are they? Are the transformations only available as XSL stylesheets? If so, they're not very useful as a quick-reference for publishers... are they? Brian is referring

Re: [uf-discuss] OBJECT include pattern and excess HTTP requests

2007-10-09 Thread Michael MD
My feeling is that the Wiki content on the include pattern needs a tidy anyway, but if this issue with firing unwanted requests is unfixable, I think we should restructure to promote the hyperlink- include as the first-choice solution. I would agree with that... even here such extra unecessary

[uf-discuss] Musicreviewz.org

2007-09-13 Thread Michael Smethurst
work: more feeds, proper hosting and a dab of css if I can find a friendly designer Anyway, it uses rel-tag, rel-license, rel-home, rel-bookmark, hcard, hatom and hreview If you get 10 minutes can you take a look and let me know where I've gone wrong Cheers michael http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e

[uf-discuss] hCite needs an evangelist

2007-09-12 Thread Michael McCracken
this, but thought that someone else was already on it. As far as I can tell, no one is, but if you'd like to start, there are probably lots of people who would be glad to see it moving again. I sure would. Best of luck, -mike -- Michael McCracken UCSD CSE PhD Candidate research: http

[uf-discuss] Hatom question

2007-09-10 Thread Michael Smethurst
Just a quick question to ask whether hatom requires an updated? http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom#Schema says it is http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom#Entry_Updated Says it's a should and parsers will fall back to published date ?!? http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments)

Re: [uf-discuss] Hatom question

2007-09-10 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 10/9/07 15:42, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/09/2007, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a quick question to ask whether hatom requires an updated? http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom#Schema says it is http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom#Entry_Updated

Re: [uf-discuss] stickers

2007-09-09 Thread Michael MD
Do any of the uf guys at brighton right now have some uf stickers? can i please beg for some? :) Thom, find me, I may have a few remaining (as well as a few folded pocket cheat sheets). does anyone have any in Sydney, Australia? ___

Re: [uf-discuss] Nested Microformats and Operator

2007-08-27 Thread Michael MD
Should there be a way for people to have this information but not make it available as a vcard or vevent? or a way to tell what kind of thing the vevent or vcard represents? (so that a parser can work out how it should be displayed based on criteria chosen by the user) I think there may be

RE: [uf-discuss] dfn design pattern (proposal)

2007-08-20 Thread Michael MD
On 8/20/07, Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quite easy I think... my own scripts that parse hcalendar don't really care what tag is used for dtstart or dtend - they look for those class names (and the title attribute) --- just a quick FYI, this would be an incorrect implementation

Re: [uf-discuss] dfn design pattern (proposal)

2007-08-19 Thread Michael MD
http://microformats.org/wiki/dfn-design-pattern * Feedback from the people building parsers (Mike Kaply, Brian Suda, etc.) on whether this would be tricky or easy to implement. quite easy I think... my own scripts that parse hcalendar don't really care what tag is used for dtstart or dtend

[uf-discuss] tabular event calenders - examples?

2007-08-07 Thread Michael MD
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-brainstorming#Tabular_event_calendars the link to the example is broken - we05.com seems to no longer exist. Is there another example somewhere? Now that I have managed to get my parser to handle include-pattern I'd like to look at any other stuff it

Re: [uf-discuss] inappropriate behaviour (was: Discussion of public domain declaration template usage)

2007-08-02 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 1/8/07 20:02, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again, there is the impression that microformats fora are being run by an unelected cabal, using arbitrary, personal interpretations of vague and unwritten rules, applied with no sense of even-handedness. Still, I suppose that's

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats in Google Maps

2007-08-01 Thread Michael MD
So it appears that none of the address sub-elements are being classified at all, just simply poured into the adr td and broken up with br's. To be parsed they should be wrapped in classified elements like the I'm not surprised at all to see this kind of thing out there. There are a lot of

Re: [uf-discuss] Ufs on bbc.co.uk/music

2007-07-05 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 5/7/07 13:37, Paul Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Smethurst wrote: Seem to remember at the time I asked what the line of demarcation would be between people as people and people as organisations. Are you just saying music artists? What about actors, politicians, bloggers

[uf-discuss] Ufs on bbc.co.uk/music

2007-07-03 Thread Michael Smethurst
It's been noted elsewhere but I don't think here Artist and release pages on bbc.co.uk/music now feature hcard, hreview and rel-licence ufs: http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artist/m6qv/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/release/4b8c/ For anyone interested in metrics adding them took about an hour.

Re: [uf-discuss] Ufs on bbc.co.uk/music

2007-07-03 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 3/7/07 13:07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, July 3, 2007 12:41, Michael Smethurst wrote: Artist and release pages on bbc.co.uk/music now feature hcard, hreview and rel-licence ufs: http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artist/m6qv/ Nice one, but you have, for example

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

2007-06-28 Thread Michael MD
The thunderbird developers have been asking about microformats, so they are definitely looking into it. awesome! will there be authoring tools in Thunderbird too? I've been looking for years for some easy-to-use authoring software to suggest to media publicists to embed machine-readable

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

2007-06-27 Thread Michael MD
A lot of the power of MF reminds me of Smart Tags in Office XP, maybe we could look to the way that was marketed and some of the UI stuff it did was really good. I haven't seen the Smart Tags stuff (where do I find it?)... could it be somehow adapted for use with microformats? ... or

Re: [uf-discuss] Outlook

2007-06-25 Thread Michael MD
AFAIK this is now fixed in Outlook 2007, consider upgrading if your preferred calendar application is Outlook. haven't seen this yet .. around here everyone is still using Outlook 2003 or earlier I'd love to know if Outlook 2007 can import/export a calendar (from/to iCal format) rather than

Re: [uf-discuss] Empty anchor tag-pairs and accessibility (was:Questionabout telephone numbers)

2007-06-20 Thread Michael MD
Is the object tag to be used instead for the include pattern? given the complexity it adds to non-browser-based parsers I'm wondering if include-pattern is too much trouble to bother with ___ microformats-discuss mailing list

Re: [uf-discuss] Problems parsing ufs

2007-06-15 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 6/6/07 17:01, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/6/07, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think I'm tending toward the latter cos the point of the page is the review... Any thoughts? could you provide us with a link so we can help sort out this issue? This isn't the page

[uf-discuss] Using org in vcard in haudio

2007-06-14 Thread Michael Smethurst
Just wondering why the example on: http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-proposal#hAudio_Microformat_Draft_Sp ecification Has org on the vcard span class=contributor span class=vcard span class=fn orgPhish/span /span /span Is this just because Phish are a group rather

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats gets strong showing in Firefox 3 UI

2007-06-06 Thread Michael MD
I do very much like the idea of some native support for microformats in browsers. I also think it draws attention to the need to keep parsing rules as simple as possible so as not to significantly slow down the loading of pages! ___

[uf-discuss] Problems parsing ufs

2007-06-06 Thread Michael Smethurst
Two problems I'm having at the moment (very related): - If I use a hReview uf where the review doesn't have a url of its own but does include a hCard which does have a url both tails and operator seem to suggest that the url for the review is that for the hCard - If I use an event uf and the

Re: [uf-discuss] Problems parsing ufs

2007-06-06 Thread Michael Smethurst
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. That's tricky. Basically what I do in Operator is look for any DOM node with the class URL that is a child of the review. Obviously I'm getting the one in the hcard/hcalendar. I'll have to think about that. Mike On 6/6/07, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL

Re: [uf-discuss] Problems parsing ufs

2007-06-06 Thread Michael Smethurst
/div /div /div On 6/6/07 17:01, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/6/07, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think I'm tending toward the latter cos the point of the page is the review... Any thoughts? could you provide us with a link so we can help sort out

RE: [uf-discuss] rel-edit

2007-05-25 Thread Michael MD
So, on the tail of RecentChangesCamp Montreal (http://www.rocococamp.info/), there's an effort to work out some universal conventions for wiki engines to indicate that a page is editable. Good idea in theory ... but what about the possible misuse by spambots crawling for places to post their

Re: [uf-discuss] Hidden Locality/Country?

2007-05-23 Thread Michael MD
Obviously I could just include the information, even though it serves no function for the human readers of the site. But I am reluctant to add redundant information that serves no function to human readers -- part of the draw of u-formats for me is the ability to have added semantic

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar listings for complex/irregular recurring events

2007-05-14 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 11/5/07 19:31, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- you should look into RDATE, this allows you to specific only specific dates. The wiki has some information, http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-brainstorming but i think it still needs to be flushed out. Not quite on topic but

RE: [uf-discuss] uF Tools for Internet Explorer?

2007-05-08 Thread Michael MD
I was evangelizing microformats, hCard in particular, to a client today and he had the very valid question: Are there any tools for IE? I got the same questions at an ISP I work for when I showed them Operator and Tails in Firefox. Some more tools for IE might also help convince more people

Re: [uf-discuss] uF Tools for Internet Explorer?

2007-05-08 Thread Michael MD
I think this was the page mentioned a while back http://spaces.live.com/editorial/rayozzie/demo/liveclip/liveclipsample/clipboardexample.html btw ... I have Firebug (useful DOM-Inspector-like tool) installed in Firefox and on that page noticed it is showing some parsing errors generated by

Re: [uf-discuss] human readable date parsing

2007-05-04 Thread Michael MD
I agree that i18n is a stumbling block here. But, descriptions, titles and names aren't translated as well, why would the date need be? Let's put the smarts into the parsers and figure out which date we mean, and have the user confirm it. The place for such user confirmation is in authoring

Re: [uf-discuss] human readable date parsing

2007-05-03 Thread Michael MD
iso date isn't necessarily required when someone enters a date (i.e. saying 24th June doesn't translate into a single date, neither does 'thursday'). Shouldn't the focus be on trying to standardise date I'm normally all for liberalness in parsing but NOT when the intended meaning becomes

Re: [uf-discuss] Expanding the abbr pattern

2007-05-03 Thread Michael MD
Q1 '07: span class=dtstart2007-01-01/span through abbr class=dtend title=2007-04-022007-04-01/abbr I have proposed a solution to this problem: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-brainstorming#Simplification_of_date-end I do agree that such counter-intuitive things could

Re: [uf-discuss] human readable date parsing

2007-05-03 Thread Michael MD
I don't think this will work, for the same reason tel-type and adr- type don't work: l10n/i18n. They require displayed machine values to be in English. span class=vmonth lang=enJuly/span span class=vmonth lang=esjulio/span span class=vmonth lang=jp7 月/span span class=vmonth lang=ruиюль/span

Re: [uf-discuss] User Interface for Firefox/Operator

2007-05-02 Thread Michael MD
1. Suppose a web page has multiple geo Microformats. The Operator Find a Google Map currently allows only a mashup of one geo Microformat at a time with Google Maps. I would like an option that would display all the geo Microformats simultaneously. For example, a web page that shows the

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