] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?
On 10/23/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd suggest could be solved using an appropriate new [EMAIL PROTECTED],
and
then
convicing the search engines to pay attention to it ;-)
Do you mean in head? Did you see my earlier comments about
Brian Suda recently said:
the problem with using Meta elements is that they are out-side
of human-readable realm. One of the key factors in microformats
is to keep the data visible, it keeps it fresh, prevents many of
the abuses that have befallen meta-keywords, and also allows
for
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats vs. CalDAV?
On Oct 19, 2006, at 8:18 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
P.S. Also, I think a great addition to the FAQ would be to list of
standard like vCard and CalDAV etc. and give arguments for why
Microformats should be considering
:38 AM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Page-Global solution to Size Considersations
(wasSize considerations (or how to choose))
On 10/20/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe the size per amount marked-up can be addressed by focusing on
providing a page-global
archives to dig them out. I
also don't want to have to decide which are policies and which are someone's
singular opinions; the wiki process will weed out the latter.
-Mike Schinkel
http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blog
http://www.welldesignedurls.org/
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elik
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 2:16 AM
To: microformats-discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?
On 10/22/06 11:10 PM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brian Suda recently said
...a Microformat requirement?
On 10/23/06 12:11 AM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it is not worth or appropriate to make the information visible,
then it is not worth trusting the information and certainly not
worth the time to make a microformat for it.
But what if the website
Brian Suda wrote:
--- there are elements in HTML which convay more semantic information.
Gotcha, thanks.
The next step is to explicitly label that abbr so parser know it is the
TYPE.
span class=currencyabbr class=type title=USD$/abbr5.99/span
This gets back to what I was trying to get away
] mailing list policies reminder
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Schinkel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
can we please make sure that all policies make their way to
http://microformats.org/mailinglists-policies/
I also don't want to have to decide which are policies and which are
someone's singular
Of Tantek Ç
elik
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:52 PM
To: microformats-discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Advocacy Page on Wiki
On 10/20/06 2:58 PM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I created an Advocacy page on the Wiki.
http://microformats.org/wiki/Advocacy
If it's not the right place
...a Microformat requirement?
On 10/23/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, what if your take on this problem and use-case?
I'm not Tantek, but you're use-case seems eminently reasonable, and I'd
suggest could be solved using an appropriate new [EMAIL PROTECTED], and then
convicing the search engines
: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:00 AM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats vs. CalDAV?
On Oct 19, 2006, at 8:18 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
The good news is Apple in on our board, which means CalDAV would
be the standard we'd employ.
CalDEV: http
I tend to prefer the combination of IRC+wiki,
Slightly off topic, but can anyone recommend a good free IRC client for
WinXP?
-Mike
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elik
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To:
: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:49 PM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Schinkel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I'm coming to believe that there are some very different assumed goals
use-cases among the people
span class=currency title=USD$1,000/span
In the US that will mean one dollar, in Argentina (where I'm from) it
will mean a thousand dollars.
I believe you misunderstood what I was proposing; a shorthand for cases
where it was unambiguous. When it was ambiguous it would require more.
Unless I
. Just like acronyms can be an
insiders language, abbreviations can obfuscate meaning.
To reiterate my position I love abbreviations but anywhere they are used
really need to be studied. :-)
Cheers,
Christopher
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Schinkel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] in addition to other
Thanks for the all input on chat programs! I'll check'em out and get on the
IRC after I come back from this long weekend.
-Mike
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Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:34 AM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal
On 10/20/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Question: How does a human currently interpret a website that is have
values such as $1,000
we could introduce the implied optimisation that if there is no explicit
'amount' then the amount could be taken to be everything inside the
'money' that isn't the 'currency' That would simplify the markup in
a large number of the cases, and I don't think would complicate the
parsing
Sure then, next week. :)
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elik
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:01 AM
To: microformats-discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] IRC Chat Client?
On 10/20/06 1:52 AM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
McNulty
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:14 AM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal
On 10/20/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Question: how would someone implement a wiki with different pages in
different languages since they don't have
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats vs. CalDAV?
On Oct 19, 2006, at 8:18 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
The good news is Apple in on our board, which means CalDAV would
be the standard we'd employ.
CalDEV: http://ietf.osafoundation.org/caldav/
Now, it's my
The point I am trying to make is this: file size *is* an issue, but it is
not an insurmountable problem and can be solved through technology and good
design; file size shouldn't compromise the semantics and design of a
microformat.
Since I was the one that originally called the question I want
Okay... Did I just make more work for myself? :)
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Roper
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:45 AM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations
Mike Schinkel wrote:
Has
The point I am trying to make is abbreviations can be very dangerous and
are very easy to mis-interpret so I think we need to think long and hard
before choosing and implementing them. I am not arguing against them in
specific cases but very well thought out cases.
I have a question about
Microformats to someone who thinks CalDAV is the only
thing they need to support.
Can I get some help with this?
-Mike Schinkel
P.S. Also, I think a great addition to the FAQ would be to list of standard
like vCard and CalDAV etc. and give arguments for why Microformats should be
considering in parallel
. for formatting
to make it very tight):
address
img
src=http://www.mikeschinkel.com/images/MikeSchinkel_120x120.jpg;
a target=_blank
href=http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blog/;Mike Schinkel/a
a target=_blank href=http://www.guidesinc.com;Guides,
Inc
this elsewhere. Repeating what I said above, can you
give me any pointers for sending my first post to that list?
In closing, even though I disagreed with you on some topics I respect you
for your position in the W3C and I greatly appreciate the time you've given
me thus far.
-Mike Schinkel
http
most people, even most tech
geeks, don't understand regular expressions at all.
Peace,
Scott
On Oct 15, 2006, at 4:40 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
Scott:
Thanks for the reply. If probably got confusing on my part; I will try
to resolve that here if possible.
I thought what you suggested
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: RE: [uf-discuss] Casual Web Services and Well Designed Urls
On 10/16/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But the reason I bring them up here on Microformats discuss as I see
clean URLs as being important for being able to easily screen scrape
microformats
Benjamin:
As one data point, I learned about Microformats[1] at a conference[2]. When
I came to the site I wanted to learn how to author them. In addition, I
wanted to learn how to get involved in the process of specifying new ones
(although I doubt only a small percentage will be interested in
] On Behalf Of Benjamin
West
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:06 PM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!
On 10/18/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A form would be nice, but it takes time to develop and we can't expect
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Schinkel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I don't think anyone has said that. I certainly don't think people
should
be encouraged to begin authoring before first
Has there been any thought to try and survey the web development community
at large on these types of issues? I could see the value of having a lot of
these types of questions answered if we were do present surveys (of course
hopefully we could find a surveying expert to help us make sure we were
Justin:
Very good organization!
JMTCW.
-Mike
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Thorp
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:57 PM
To: microformats-discuss@microformats.org
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification
] On Behalf Of Tantek Ç
elik
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:13 PM
To: microformats-discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!
On 10/18/06 4:04 PM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My point was simply to be careful not to overwhelm the user with text
See my todo list.
Suggestion: can you be sure to include the actual URL of any referenced item
in any emails to make sure I can actually find it. :)
Do you think you can do a refinement of your categories on the to-do
list? Can you also enumerate the categories of content generally available
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations
On Oct 18, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
The following is 6 characters:
$54.97
This is 151 characters (according to MS-Word's stats dialog):
span class=money
span class=symbol title=dollar$/span
://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Information_Architecture.
I did the hAtom creator and am interested in further work on the creators.
http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Creators
If there is a creator missing, I'll gladly come up with something.
Ben
On 10/18/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Paul
Weber
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:55 PM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: title attribute and abbreviatedclassnames(Was:[uf-discuss]Currency
Quickpoll: Preliminary results)
On 10/18/06, Mike Schinkel
really like it. Remember to check back and
make sure progress is happening. Feel free to give me a nudge if I'm
unresponsive.
Ben
On 10/16/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would you mind confiming this on the to-do page under my name [1]?
I added, see if it is what you were
based on my clarification. Also, would
there be sufficient interest for me to start a list now, and invite anyone
interested to come on over? I'll need 5-10 interested parties otherwise it
won't be time yet.
-Mike Schinkel
http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blog
http://www.welldesignedurls.org/
P.S
I think the reorganization to create mini-home pages for each microformat
will make it easy to find and remember those, i.e
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/faq
-Mike
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Berriman
Sent:
number of my suggestions you'll certainly need to
rework some of it as I didn't flesh it out exhaustively, and in two case I
left to be written with notes.
JMTCW.
-Mike Schinkel
http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blog
http://www.welldesignedurls.org/
=
* Title Slide
My opinion is this sounds like a great idea! Will you be doing the edit on
the current proposal?
I am surprised however at the number of people who felt Currency
unit/denomination used identification was important and it seems like an
edge case to me. I'm hoping that this become an optional
-discuss] currency quickpoll results and suggested next step
Mike Schinkel wrote
I am surprised however at the number of people who felt Currency
unit/denomination used identification was important and it seems like
an edge case to me. I'm hoping that this become an optional aspect as
opposed
Christopher:
I concur and wanted to email something similar, but I didn't want to be the
messenger that was shot. Thanks for interjecting!
-Mike
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Christopher Rines
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:51 PM
I agree that the current layout is confusing. After reading several of these
email I would like to make a suggestion that is smaller scope than an entire
reorganization (which still might be a good idea.)
Tantek suggests that the specifications are not tutorials and others have
said that they
The address tag ... is designed to markup information related to the
author of a particular page
Too bad sites like the following don't make that more clear (reading it I
never would have come to the conclusion that it was for the author of the
current page):
misconception was cleared after which I became a convert. I would guess a
lot of people might have a similar misconception.
-Mike
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From: Mike Schinkel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:45 PM
To: 'Microformats Discuss'
Subject: RE: [uf-discuss] ANN
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lachlan Hunt
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 4:19 AM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Currency Quickpoll: Preliminary results
Mike Schinkel wrote:
Thanks for the clarification.
Further questions (and forgive me
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: title attribute and abbreviated class names (Was:
[uf-discuss]Currency Quickpoll: Preliminary results)
On Oct 12, 2006, at 10:34 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
Anyway, I made a proposal here:
http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-brainstorming#Mike_Schinkel
-based web services. If I am correct
about this, it is important that we sooner than later start promoting Well
Designed Urls as well as crystalizing a set of best practices for URL
structure design.
At least that my opinion and I am hoping you each concur. Thoughts?
Questions?
-Mike Schinkel
http
. If I misunderstood, sorry
for my missing the point.
-Mike
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Hunt
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 6:41 AM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Currency Quickpoll: Preliminary results
Mike
The book costs $span class=USD5.99/span
This gives me a chance to ask in a different way, why can we not assume
type=USD, amount=5.99, and symbol=$ from the following?
The book costs span class=currency title=USD$5.99/span
I believe you answer will be what about unicode where we are
and abbreviated class names
(Was:[uf-discuss]Currency Quickpoll: Preliminary results)
On Oct 14, 2006, at 3:42 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
I think your use of the title attribute in these examples contains
two
bad practices
Hmm. I see your point, and being new to this I'm learning from your
examples
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Schinkel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
This gives me a chance to ask in a different way, why can we not assume
type=USD, amount=5.99, and symbol=$ from the following?
The book costs span class=currency
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy
Mabbett
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:22 PM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Currency Quickpoll: Preliminary results
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Schinkel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
£1 was worth 2.50 dollars
Those are edge
: Preliminary results
Mike Schinkel wrote:
This is a naïve question: Doesn't the ISO 4217 code *imply* a symbol?
It appears so here: http://www.xe.com/symbols.htm Doesn't including
this in the microformat create redundancy?
Alternately, can't the symbols be extracted as not being alphanumeric
to see this initiative!
Over the coming month I hope to contribute significantly, and I have some
thoughts on some microformats I'd really like to see. However, I'm going to
sit back and get a feel for the group and how things operate before I
propose anything so as not to waste anybody's time.
-Mike
I want to vote on the poll but can you clarify what certain options mean
exactly, maybe by hypothetical examples (quoted parts are what confuse me)?
* Currency symbol identification from other part of the text
* Global currency definition
* Amount identification from other part of the text
So, they typically resort to integration mechanism or other concepts
(retailer-manager store-in-store) they can control and authorize for select
e-retailers they work closely with.
Which is why I think the ideas I have will be a lot like RSS; they are
small, simple, and will really help
Wow. At 1.5MB of documentation, that's pretty much the antithesis of a
microformat.
Holy $h1t! Maybe we should call that one a Macroformat? Hehe. ;)
-Mike
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