In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael
Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
The problem for my work is I'm taking artist names out of musicbrainz.
Musicbrainz does differentiate between artists singular and groups but
the name field is a single string.
I can use:
span class=fn
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Guillaume Lebleu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
not least because the alternative:
foo class=fnPink Floyd/foo
would be optimised (sic) to have a given name of Pink and a family
name of Floyd.
I don't disagree that groups/bands should be considered
On 7/2/08 00:13, Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't disagree that groups/bands should be considered organisations.
This takes me back several months (June 2007) to a thread about whether both
music:groups and music:artists_singular should be marked up as
organisations:
On Thu, February 7, 2008 09:55, Michael Smethurst wrote:
This takes me back several months (June 2007) to a thread about whether
both music:groups and music:artists_singular should be marked up as
organisations:
http://www.mail-archive.com/microformats-discuss@microformats.org/msg07887.html
On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 09:55 +, Michael Smethurst wrote:
Agreed. The problem also arises with artists like Eminem, Madonna,
Prince.
How is fn optimisation supposed to work here?
As we find a lot in music your above examples are people and
Organizations. How it appears, I would guess is how
On Thu, February 7, 2008 15:37, Scott Reynen wrote:
On Feb 7, 2008, at 4:59 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
If it's just a generic contact that you know nothing about, I'd say
just use fn, as adding org is potentially incorrect information. But if
you know it's a music act, I think it makes sense
On Thu, February 7, 2008 14:33, Michael Smethurst wrote:
At the time Scott Reynen suggested:
snip
If it's just a generic contact that you know nothing about, I'd say
just use fn, as adding org is potentially incorrect information. But
if you know it's a music act, I think it makes sense to
On 7/2/08 11:59, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, February 7, 2008 09:55, Michael Smethurst wrote:
This takes me back several months (June 2007) to a thread about whether
both music:groups and music:artists_singular should be marked up as
organisations:
On Feb 7, 2008, at 4:59 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
If it's just a generic contact that you know nothing about, I'd say
just
use fn, as adding org is potentially incorrect information. But if
you
know it's a music act, I think it makes sense to consider even an
individual performer's name to be
Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Guillaume Lebleu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
not least because the alternative:
foo class=fnPink Floyd/foo
would be optimised (sic) to have a given name of Pink and a family
name of Floyd.
I don't disagree that groups/bands should be
On Thu, February 7, 2008 15:46, Guillaume Lebleu wrote:
Sorry if I misinterpreted: I'm not a native english speaker.
Doesn't not least because [reason] means that [reason] is not the
least reason, i.e. a strong one?
Literally, yes, but in colloquial use it can mean not the weakest, but
far
On 7/2/08 15:30, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, February 7, 2008 14:33, Michael Smethurst wrote:
Not sure I follow. The hcard wiki page says nickname optimisation
happens when FN and ORG are not the same, and the value of the FN
property is exactly one word. What would:
Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert O'Rourke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
How about removing the 'contributor' class from the key creator's
vcard? It would make sense to me to group contributors separately to
the creator. The vcard attached to the hAudio would denote the
Martin McEvoy wrote:
Hello Robert
Hi Martin, nice meeting you the other day
On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 18:39 +, Robert O'Rourke wrote:
For cover tracks you'd have something like:
span class=contributor vcard
span class=roleOriginal Artist/span -
span class=fn orgPrimal
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 12:29 +, Robert O'Rourke wrote:
Martin McEvoy wrote:
Hello Robert
Hi Martin, nice meeting you the other day
Well met too its surprising the places that you meet people ;)
On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 18:39 +, Robert O'Rourke wrote:
For cover tracks
Martin McEvoy wrote:
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 12:29 +, Robert O'Rourke wrote:
Martin McEvoy wrote:
I AM worried that we should be using title instead of role in some
cases...
That depends if you look at a piece of music as having jobs associated
with it. Is a piece of music
Robert O'Rourke wrote:
Ah yes, so would you say 'performer', 'creator' and 'composer' are roles
and not different to being a contributor?
Yes, that is why 'contributor' was picked, rather than 'performer',
'creator', or 'composer'. :)
It would be useful to have a
more blanket term for
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Role is hardly ever used in hcard in the real world
I use it. In fact:
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/bardsey/
might include the first ever hCard with a role of Lighthouse keeper!
--
Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
It would be useful to have a
more blanket term for instances where one person has multiple roles of
that kind.
You can always specify multiple 'role's in hCard to state that the
person had more than one role.
One cannot
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert O'Rourke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
And are groups/bands considered to be an organisation?
Yes:
foo class=fn orgPink Floyd/foo
not least because the alternative:
foo class=fnPink Floyd/foo
would be optimised (sic) to have a given name of
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert O'Rourke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
would you say 'performer', 'creator' and 'composer' are roles and not
different to being a contributor?
They are all contributors, but they are sub-sets of the set of
contributors (and hence are more granular).
It would be
Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
It would be useful to have a
more blanket term for instances where one person has multiple roles of
that kind.
You can always specify multiple 'role's in hCard to state that the
person had more than
Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert O'Rourke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
And are groups/bands considered to be an organisation?
Yes:
foo class=fn orgPink Floyd/foo
not least because the alternative:
foo class=fnPink Floyd/foo
would be optimised
Manu Sporny wrote:
Alf Eaton wrote:
It would work, but so would a number of very complicated things. My
needs are essentially very simple:
artistPrimal Scream/artist - albumScreamadelica/album
so
span class=creatorPrimal Scream/span - span
class=albumScreamadelica/span
Why doesn't the
Why doesn't the following work for you, then?
div class=haudio
span class=contributorPrimal Scream/span -
span class=albumScreamadelica/span
/div
That may be fine for someone who just wants to mark up some tracks they like
on a personal blog ... but an artist or record store may want to
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Guillaume Lebleu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
If you really want to make the distinction between a publisher, a
drummer, a singer, a technician, and someone else, you can always
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael
MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Why doesn't the following work for you, then?
div class=haudio
span class=contributorPrimal Scream/span -
span class=albumScreamadelica/span
/div
That may be fine for someone who just wants to mark up some tracks they
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Both the Beatles and Geoff Emerick
contributed to Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, for instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sgt._Pepper%27s_Lonely_Hearts_Club_Band
but one is clearly more significant than the other.
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 01:56 +1100, Michael MD wrote:
Why doesn't the following work for you, then?
div class=haudio
span class=contributorPrimal Scream/span -
span class=albumScreamadelica/span
/div
That may be fine for someone who just wants to mark up some tracks they like
on
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 01:56 +1100, Michael MD wrote:
Why doesn't the following work for you, then?
div class=haudio
span class=contributorPrimal Scream/span -
span class=albumScreamadelica/span
/div
That may be fine
Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 01:56 +1100, Michael MD wrote:
Why doesn't the following work for you, then?
div class=haudio
span class=contributorPrimal Scream/span -
span class=albumScreamadelica/span
Alf Eaton wrote:
The example above is valid hAudio markup - is your issue with the word
contributor instead of creator?
Basically, yes :-) And it's not a huge issue, I was just wondering if
there was justification for it being that way - which there is, it seems.
We're also tracking this
Andy Mabbett wrote:
Everything is an edge case, depending on which point you're looking from.
I'm conceding that I'm looking at these natural language examples from a
particular perspective, the economic one, to decide what is an edge case
or not, and that I'm just assuming that this
On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 16:41 +, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 01:56 +1100, Michael MD wrote:
Why doesn't the following work for you, then?
div class=haudio
span class=contributorPrimal Scream/span
Hello Robert
On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 18:39 +, Robert O'Rourke wrote:
For cover tracks you'd have something like:
span class=contributor vcard
span class=roleOriginal Artist/span -
span class=fn orgPrimal Scream/span
/span
Here is the best action I have seen using roles, It may
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert O'Rourke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
How about removing the 'contributor' class from the key creator's
vcard? It would make sense to me to group contributors separately to
the creator. The vcard attached to the hAudio would denote the original
creator.
Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
If only one contributor is listed, it is assumed that he/she/it is also
the creator of the hAudio. If multiple contributors are listed, it is
assumed that the first contributor is the creator, and all
Andy Mabbett wrote:
It seems strange that the microformat does not distinguish between the
main contributor and others.
It does - you list the main contributor first, if you care about that
sort of thing. Otherwise, you can list them in any order.
Both the Beatles and Geoff Emerick
Alf Eaton wrote:
It would work, but so would a number of very complicated things. My
needs are essentially very simple:
artistPrimal Scream/artist - albumScreamadelica/album
so
span class=creatorPrimal Scream/span - span
class=albumScreamadelica/span
Why doesn't the following work for
Manu Sporny wrote:
Alf Eaton wrote:
How about this:
* All contributors played a role in the creation of the audio.
* If there's one or more creators, those entities played a primary role.
We looked at that approach, and found that we didn't have the examples
to back up the argument that we
Alf Eaton wrote:
How about this:
* All contributors played a role in the creation of the audio.
* If there's one or more creators, those entities played a primary role.
We looked at that approach, and found that we didn't have the examples
to back up the argument that we should make the
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Why doesn't the following work for you, then?
div class=haudio
span class=contributorPrimal Scream/span -
span class=albumScreamadelica/span
/div
Per the hAudio spec, you have just marked up an album called
Screamadelica,
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes
If there really weren't enough examples that clearly listed anybody
other than the creator, doesn't that make things easier?
All that makes easier for me is the confidence to say that the evidence
is too limited.
--
Andy
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
If you really want to make the distinction between a publisher, a
drummer, a singer, a technician, and someone else, you can always use
an hCard and utilize the role property
That presumes that the roles are exposed in the
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I thought fn was required.
It isn't:
http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio#Album
You MUST use either FN or ALBUM, or both.
Thank you. I've updated the cheatsheet:
http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio-issues
to make
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
If there are insufficient examples of composer being listed, that
itself is evidence that the examples are inadequate:
More to consider here:
http://pianosociety.com/
(also an excellent place for genuinely free mp3s!)
Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Why doesn't the following work for you, then?
div class=haudio
span class=contributorPrimal Scream/span -
span class=albumScreamadelica/span
/div
Per the hAudio spec, you have just marked up an
Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
If you really want to make the distinction between a publisher, a
drummer, a singer, a technician, and someone else, you can always use
an hCard and utilize the role property
That presumes that the roles
Alf Eaton wrote:
I was looking at using haudio today, but stumbled on the 'contributor'
field: is there a reason it's 'contributor' rather than 'creator', even
for the main creator (artist, in music) of the piece of audio?
We decided to not use creator because it would not be the proper
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
If only one contributor is listed, it is assumed that he/she/it is also
the creator of the hAudio. If multiple contributors are listed, it is
assumed that the first contributor is the creator, and all subsequent
contributors
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes
I was looking at using haudio today, but stumbled on the 'contributor'
field: is there a reason it's 'contributor' rather than 'creator', even
for the main creator (artist, in music) of the piece of audio?
It seems strange that the
Manu Sporny wrote:
Alf Eaton wrote:
I was looking at using haudio today, but stumbled on the 'contributor'
field: is there a reason it's 'contributor' rather than 'creator', even
for the main creator (artist, in music) of the piece of audio?
We decided to not use creator because it would not
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