Re: [uf-discuss] Trying to learn microformats

Tim's Trees wrote: > I came across the following script, but I can not get it to be > recognised as a microformat, by my browsers Chrome and Firefox, with > the normal microformat extensions. Other microformats I have tried > were recognised. The offending code is I was able to get Operator to ack

Re: [uf-discuss] .tel

Tim White wrote: > Has anyone seen the upcoming .tel domains (http://telnic.org/)? Seems > like a perfect spot for hCard. That will presumably be at the discretion of the people who run the '.tel' domain (i.e. Telnic), since there aren't expected to be any user-creatable websites in '.tel'. It mi

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats search engine: virel

Dan Brickley wrote: > ... we need to get much better (across various of these projects) > in making clear to users what's going on, including the bad things that > might happen. Agreed. > Some examples: These are good examples, not least because they relate to 'good actors' (rather than 'bad ac

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats search engine: virel

Christian Heilmann wrote: > That's got nothing to do with microformats ... With due respect, I don't completely accept that. A case could be made that factors that influence people's adoption of microformats are legitimate topics for discussion. Uneasiness about the 'spammability' of addresses pu

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats search engine: virel

Ameer Dawood wrote: > look what happened now. I jusst got the same kind of email. Looks like they are sending emails to email addresses found in hCards. *It's just like spam. I just dropped them a mail saying so. As a hardliner on this issue, my feeling is that any sentence that reads "that's {l

Re: [uf-discuss] Appropriate microformats for journal listings?

At 2:04 PM +0100 4/8/08, Ben Ward wrote: Seems like a very good fit with hAtom, the only complication being the presence of multiple authors which is unhandled in hAtom, andŠ untestedŠ in hCard. VCARD has a concept of 'AGENTS', which effectively nests vcards within each other. They're unhandl

[uf-discuss] Appropriate microformats for journal listings?

I'm editing a page that lists editions of a journal, each entry having a form something like: Title Journalname 1 (2003) - downloadlink - Article 1 Author1, Author2 (Affiliation) Article 2 Author3 (Affiliat

[uf-discuss] rel-license: what does the license apply to? (open issue revisited)

I'm in the process of adding 'rel="license"' in the relevant places on blip.tv, a video-sharing site, and I've run squarely into the 'open issue' raised by Evan on 2006-04-07 (in the wiki). Namely, there's no obvious way to specify that the license applies to a content element on a page - a picture

RE: [uf-discuss] XFN is getting smoked by FOAF

Costello, Roger L. wrote: > > A few days ago I was browsing through Twitter and at somebody's web > page I viewed the page source and found XFN being used. Unfortunately, > I didn't bookmark that page. Since then I have been unable to find any > pages on Twitter that contains XFN. Can someone po

Re: [uf-discuss] Citation and alternates-brainstorming

On Thu, December 13, 2007 12:44 pm, Robert O'Rourke wrote: > Perhaps in the case of a podcast or video blog you could tell your > feed-reader what format you prefer and it would grab the right file. > That's one possibility but I don't know of anyone who does > podcasts/video blogs in multiple form

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes

On Thu, December 13, 2007 12:40 pm, Robert O'Rourke wrote: > ... Could it be argued then that the machine-readable date-time > belongs in CLASS on a SPAN? It looks to me as if ISO-8601 dates would not be valid classnames, due to the presence of colons and '+' signs. However, I may be wrong about t

Re: [uf-discuss] Storing Microformats

On Mon, September 17, 2007 5:15 pm, Philip Tellis wrote: > On 18/09/2007, Paul Kinlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> One of the other ideas that I am toying with is a Microformat spider, >> that crawls the web looking for microformats, storing them and then >> allowing them to be searched. My qu

Re: [uf-discuss] Third option?: Need for plain-language intros for each microformat

On Fri, September 7, 2007 11:25 am, Ernest Prabhakar wrote: > 3. Let me propose what may or may not be a third option: > > a) Leave the specs where are. > b) Add a good solid introductory paragraph at the top of the spec. > c) Link from there to an in-depth "-intro" page +1 from me. Angus __

Re: [uf-discuss] Need for plain-language intros for each microformat

On Wed, August 29, 2007 10:59 am, Manu Sporny wrote: > Andy Mabbett wrote: >> I think it's time we moved the specs to *-spec or *-specification, and >> used the "root" page for each microformat, such as the above, for a >> plain-language introduction, taking care to avoid jargon as much as >> possi

Re: [uf-discuss] hRelease

On Wed, June 27, 2007 3:43 pm, David Janes wrote: > On 6/27/07, John Beales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > FYI: >> > >> > -- >> > Andy Mabbett >> >> Why are they set up on their own, did we poo-poo the concept at >> microformats.org or something? >

Re: [uf-discuss] An idea for an application

On Sat, March 24, 2007 6:53 pm, John wrote: > I just thought of a possible application for hcard: > > A Mozilla plugin would allow you to enter a URL for a person instead of > full details in the addressboox. Then Thunderbird would check with that > webpage regularly and see if their e-mail address

RE: [uf-discuss] Re: "Well-known" URLs

At 02:32 -0500 04.03.2007, Mike Schinkel wrote: Edward O'Connor wrote: If the intent is simply to document the existing, legacy technologies that rely on such URLs (such as robots.txt), that seems reasonable to me. I'd be interested in documenting [1] them . Does anyone of any other initia

Re: [uf-discuss] Definition of Microformats

At 18:57 -0600 27.02.2007, Scott Reynen wrote: On Feb 27, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Angus McIntyre wrote: We're trying to model publishing behaviors, not change them and certainly not restrict them. If someone publishes something that doesn't match a microformat standard, parsers should

Re: [uf-discuss] Definition of Microformats

On Tue, February 27, 2007 5:45 pm, Christopher St John wrote: > On 2/27/07, David Janes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> ... someone's announced "hRelease" today [3] >> using the microformats name and symbol. >> >> [3] >> http://www.psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2007/02/27/microformats-govt-release/ >> > >

Re: [uf-discuss] rel-tag title as tag value (Was: Should microformat features (like rel-tag) have explicit scope?)

On Mon, February 26, 2007 11:53 am, Mike Kaply wrote: > ... please don't say "use an external tagspace" The tag might be > an internal only product or a codename, so the tagspace belongs > inside the company. This actually relates to an issue I've been dealing with. I have a bunch of places where

[uf-discuss] "Well-known" URLs

I apologize in advance for bringing up something that is not really a microformat (although it's arguably 'microformat-like'), but does anyone know if any projects have looked at identifying and standardizing 'well-known' URLs? By a 'well-known' URL, I mean one that is commonly used across a w

Re: [uf-discuss] Hidden elements considered harmful (Was: Inline style conflict?)

At 15:33 -0800 14.01.2007, Chris Messina wrote: I too find ths area of microformats one of the weaker areas of consensus and of having strong examples of best practices. On the one hand, there's the matter of style, where certain data are hidden in the interest of visual appeal (CSS Zen Garden,

Re: [uf-discuss] rel="nsfw"

At 07:43 -0500 29.12.2006, B.K. DeLong wrote: Intriguing, yesbut it would be even more valuable if tied to a rating system of some sort. ie a user picks from a series of de facto rating standards which give a ranked value to whatever is labeled as NSFW ... I guess that PICS

Re: [uf-discuss] A microformat for relationship availability and preference?

At 07:41 + 20.12.2006, Ciaran McNulty wrote: On 12/20/06, Chris Messina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You could also use the absense of certain XFN values as a stopgap... At least you know that the folks without sweatheart or spouse haven't removed themselves from the pool! Notwithstanding

Re: Non-visible microformats was [uf-discuss] Principles of Microformats?

At 14:39 +0900 18.12.2006, Karl Dubost wrote: Le 16 déc. 2006 à 22:24, Angus McIntyre a écrit : (Those are distinct points: there is abusable invisible information, as shown by the fact that Google doesn't index META keywords and descriptions). Spotlight on the macintosh indexes thos

Re: [uf-discuss] Operator: Microformat detection for Firefox 2

At 03:23 -0800 16.12.2006, Alex Faaborg wrote: Today Mozilla Labs released a microformat extension for Firefox 2 named Operator. The extension was developed by Michael Kaply at IBM, and detects hCard, hCalendar, geo, hReview and rel-tag. http://labs.mozilla.com/2006/12/introducing-operator Nic

RE: Non-visible microformats was [uf-discuss] Principles of Microformats?

At 04:54 -0500 16.12.2006, Mike Schinkel wrote: When I've discussed proposing numerous non-visible Microformats, Tantek (and others) told me "no" (numerous times.) I can dig up some quotes if need be. So I was documenting and clarifying philosophy, not prior deviations from. I had to go back to

microformats-discuss@microformats.org

At 18:28 +0900 14.12.2006, Michael(tm) Smith wrote: What semantic markup would be useful for a complete FAQ? Microformats FAQ This page document frequently asked questions about microformatsŠ Š

and >span> semantics Is it semantically meaningless to

Re: professional relations (was: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel="muse" implies romantic relationship?)

On Tue, December 12, 2006 5:05 pm, Andy Mabbett wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Schinkel > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >>OTOH, I could use any of the following if attached to "professional": >>Respect, admire, impressed by,awed, revere, worship, idolize, iconize. >>If would be nice

[uf-discuss] Use of icons?

By now I imagine everyone has seen the elegant microformats icons offered by Chris Messina and Wolfgang Bartelme at: http://www.bartelme.at/journal/archive/microformats_icons/ http://www.factorycity.net/projects/microformats-icons/ What's not clear to me is what "best practice" for using th

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: hDinner

At 15:36 -0400 31.05.2006, Christopher St John wrote: as a target date how's the middle of next week? Maybe: Wed, May 3rd That should, of course, be: Wed, June 7, 2006 Many apologies - in the midst of a work crisis, I got behind on reading this list, and missed this. I would still be

[uf-discuss] hResume and object-based include

As part of the overhaul of my site, I marked up my resume as hResume. You can see the result at: http://www.nomadcode.com/info/resumeAngusMcIntyre.html As recommended, and as demonstrated by the examples in the wiki, I used with 'class=include' in each vcard entry used for a job title to

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: hDinner

Christopher St John wrote: > This thread is starting to make me hungry. Anyone in the NYC area > up for a microformats-related dinner? I'm specifically interested in > Chinese food and the Chat/IM-microformat, but I'm flexible. Consider me interested. It's good to know that microformats isn't a un

Re: [uf-discuss] CFP microformat?

At 21:45 +0200 20.05.2006, Ryan King wrote: On May 20, 2006, at 9:13 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: A good first step might be to see if you can get these conferences just using hCalendar to start with ... I want to reemphasize this The use case you described sounds like a specialized case of "

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

At 01:04 -0700 25.05.2006, Chris Messina wrote: Eugene has posted an interesting issue that might benefit from some mF insight... how do we create URIs for partial bits of data like a word or hcard in the middle of a paragraph? Referencing particular document fragments within an XML document (

[uf-discuss] rel-tag ... or something more?

I'm currently maintaining a blog about wine for a non-computer-savvy relative: http://www.lovatstephen.com/ The blog postings - not yet using hAtom, but I hope to get that - contain references to particular wines, grapes, winemakers, countries and wine-growing regions. Ultimately, I'd like to

Re: [uf-discuss] What to do when a microformat doesn't quite fit?

>> What's the best course of action in cases like these? My use-case >> doesn't exactly fit hAtom because it doesn't meet the mandatory >> 'author' and 'content' requirements. > > I was under the impression that most of these sorts of requirements > are carried over from Atom itself, not things tha

[uf-discuss] What to do when a microformat doesn't quite fit?

I'm in the process of developing a PHP library for managing collections of news links. The library is intended for generating RSS or Atom feeds, and also for formatting lists of news articles for use in web pages. You can see one example of its use at: http://www.sexworkersproject.org/press/

Re: [uf-discuss] hresume draft

> First, I don't think having multiple hCard representations of the > same person is the best way to organize the data. I think it would > make more sense to make the entire hResume an hCard, since it's all > representing the same person. This poses the problem of vCard not > allowing multiple OR

[uf-discuss] Signalling use of microformats?

Is there a way to indicate - for the benefit of robots, for example - that a given web page contains markup that conforms to one or more microformats? I'm imagining something along the lines of: Obviously, a robot would be free to scan any page to see if it contained content in a f

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformat for news indexes?

> The way to answer the question "is hAtom enough?" is to try using it > and see where if falls short. To my mind, there were two questions I was asking: "is hAtom enough?" is one, but "is hAtom appropriate?" is another. My impression - which may be wrong - is that the use of a particular microfor

[uf-discuss] Microformat for news indexes?

Does there exist (or should there exist) a microformat appropriate to news directories? Sample use cases might include http://news.google.com/ http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/religion/news_stories/1 or some of the pages linked off (i.e. click the 'U.S. News & World

Re: [uf-discuss] xfolk: tags that aren't links

At 23:26 -0500 01.01.2006, Bud Gibson wrote: At one point in time, I considered having non-link tags ... I also perceived a considerable advantage in joining forces with by far the most widely adopted tagging standard, reltag. You should too. Thank you to everyone who wrote, and my apologies

[uf-discuss] xfolk: tags that aren't links

The current spec for the xfolk microformat allows the inclusion of tags in a format like: foo, bar ... This assumes that tags will always be linked to some other object. However, this isn't necessarily the case: I could imagine cases where a webmaster