Re: [uf-discuss] Ident Engine

2009-10-08 Thread Kevin Marks
Great stuff glenn! 2009/10/8 André Luís > > Hi Glenn, > > comments inline. > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Glenn Jones wrote: > > Hi André > > > > Thanks for the nice comments about the identity work. Can you email me a > > quick summary of the errors off the list and I will have look. > >

Re: [uf-discuss] Google Rich Snippets - testing tool

2009-08-27 Thread Kevin Marks
Great tool guys. I tried it on my original hReviews, - looks like your rating extraction is not honouring the abbr title pattern - it shows you seeing my unicode stars, not the title='4' http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?url=http%3A%2F%2Fepeus.blogspot.com%2F2005%2F04%2Frevisit

Re: [uf-discuss] Multiple vote-links

2009-06-09 Thread Kevin Marks
eanings unambiguously. With hReview you can express what you want here >> >> If you like cheese (the page), then: >> >>        http://ontologi.es/like#";> >>          I like cheese. >>         Kevin Marks likes this cheese page >> >> If you like chee

Re: [uf-discuss] FYI: serialization of hCard into JSON

2009-03-03 Thread Kevin Marks
Whats the data loss? One of the nice things about these tools is that you can chain them, eg piping hCard into PoCo through vCard: : http://www.plaxo.com/pdata/vcard?vcardUrl=feeds.technorati.com%2Fcontacts%2Fkevinmarks.com and piping the result into XOXO for easier human readability: http://ke

Re: [uf-discuss] FYI: serialization of hCard into JSON

2009-03-02 Thread Kevin Marks
Do have a look at http://portablecontacts.net - the JSON spec there is a good model to go to and from hCard (thats where we staretd from wehn desiging it, before we looked at a lot of other contact schemas too). On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:55 AM, David Janes wrote: > > I've been playing about with r

Re: [uf-discuss] title -> heading/label/caption/?

2009-01-15 Thread Kevin Marks
Have a look at http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-classes 'label' is used in hCard for unstructured addresses. could you re-use 'entry-title' from hAtom? On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:01 AM, Thomas Loertsch wrote: > > hi, > > in hRecipe we use "recipe-title" to avoid the problems with the "title

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard authority?

2008-08-28 Thread Kevin Marks
Have a look at the representative hCard brainstorming: http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-hcard-brainstorming if the cards are linked, this can help you decide which to use. On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello James, > > On Thu

[uf-discuss] Generically converting JSON to POSH

2008-07-14 Thread Kevin Marks
XOXO is the generic way to turn JSON into HTML (and back) - see http://www.mail-archive.com/microformats-discuss@microformats.org/msg06827.html The problem is knowing what are user-visible keys and what aren't On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Nirmal Patel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon,

Re: [uf-discuss] Parsing XFN in PHP

2008-04-09 Thread Kevin Marks
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Julian Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let me expand on that. > > Julian Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:21:37 > > > > I'm really looking forward to the SG-API becoming useful, but right now > it's pretty flaky. There's a lot of pages you'd expect to

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats Mania in Vancouver, B.C - Events Aplenty Join Us - Open Web, VanDev, SocialCamp

2008-04-09 Thread Kevin Marks
As part of my talk on the Social web I'll be discussing Google's social Graph API, which is a cache of the distributed social graph created by XFN On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Gerald Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Join us for the Open Web Vancouver 2008 two-day conference on Apr

Re: [uf-discuss] rel-license: what does the license apply to? (open issue revisited)

2008-03-19 Thread Kevin Marks
Is the problem that the page contains multiple video elements? If so using hAtom to define them as separate entries may help clarify this, especially in conjunction with rel-enclosure. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Angus, > > > On Wed, M

Re: [uf-discuss] Largest Deployment of Microformats on one site?

2008-01-18 Thread Kevin Marks
maps.google.com has a lot as well, but they're only in response to searches. I bet eventful.com have a lot too. On Jan 18, 2008 1:11 PM, ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 18, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Ben Ward wrote: > > > For reasons which will be revealed next week (yes, I'm a tease, > > sorry),

Re: [uf-discuss] stats on well formed XHTML

2008-01-18 Thread Kevin Marks
What I found with the technorati crawler was that the atom timestamps were mroe reliabel than RSS, as RSS timezones were underspecified. Talking of hAtom, here's a tool that uses it: http://googlenotebookblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/permalinks-up-and-hatom.html Niall told em last night that he's su

Re: [uf-discuss] web programmers vs web designers and microformats

2008-01-04 Thread Kevin Marks
In semantic HTML, the right way to do this would be to use around the name: Julie so doing http://juliettemelton.com/"; class="url uid fn" rel="friend">Julie which has an implied nickname, and adds the XFN for "my friend" On Jan 4, 2008 2:23 PM, David Janes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 4,

Re: [uf-discuss] semantic web and microformats

2007-10-09 Thread Kevin Marks
Note that is more then 2 years after the original 'can your site be your API?' presentation by me and Tantek... great to see these ideas spread out. Drew's slides are much prettier though... and he cites 'fork handles' http://epeus.blogspot.com/2007/07/end-homographophobia-now.html On Oct 9, 2

Re: [uf-discuss] semantic web and microformats

2007-10-09 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 9, 2007 10:27 AM, Tom Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The microformats community works on the basis of having the data > embedded into the HTML. The RDF/SemWeb approach looks to have a > consistent data model, and then having as many representations as you > like of that data model. The

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: "title" or "role"

2007-09-20 Thread Kevin Marks
from vcard: 3.5.1 TITLE Type Definition Type name: TITLE Type purpose: To specify the job title, functional position or function of the object the vCard represents. Type example: TITLE:Director\, Research and Development 3.5.2 ROLE Type Definition Type name: ROLE Ty

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: hCard multiple locations

2007-08-24 Thread Kevin Marks
Conceptually vcard has multiple mailing addresses and one current location: Type name: GEO Type purpose: To specify information related to the global positioning of the object the vCard represents. Type encoding: 8bit Type value: A single structured value consisting of two float val

[uf-discuss] Wired call fro open social networking standard

2007-08-06 Thread Kevin Marks
http://www.wired.com/software/webservices/news/2007/08/open_social_net ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss

[uf-discuss] Blogger's hAtom Support

2007-08-06 Thread Kevin Marks
http://epeus.blogspot.com/2007/08/microformats-in-blogger-hatom-support.html Those of you who read my blog directly, rather than via a feed-reader, will notice that it is looking styled again, for the first time since CSS Naked Day in April. I made an initial conversion to hAtom by hand in the me

Re: [uf-discuss] rel-tag links with #

2007-08-03 Thread Kevin Marks
On Aug 3, 2007 12:23 PM, Taylor Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In using hAtom I was interested in populating the "@scheme" attribute of the > Atom category. > For example: > > > > > It's interesting to me to know from where the tag comes, which community or > folksonomy is it part of. It's v

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: XOXO Special Properties

2007-08-02 Thread Kevin Marks
http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo-sample-code#testxoxo.py and similarly fro other languages (this code predates the repository). On Aug 2, 2007 5:30 PM, Dimitri Glazkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you point me to the existing tests? > > > On 8/2/07, Kevin Marks <[EM

Re: [uf-discuss] XOXO Special Properties

2007-08-02 Thread Kevin Marks
there are python and java versions here, with some tests http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo-sample-code refactoring tests into the HTML + JSON style discussed for hCard et al would be a fine idea. On Aug 2, 2007 3:47 PM, Dimitri Glazkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's a good idea. I'll defini

[uf-discuss] Microformats in Google Maps

2007-07-31 Thread Kevin Marks
http://googlemapsapi.blogspot.com/2007/06/microformats-in-google-maps.html Microformats in Google Maps Tuesday, July 31, 2007 at 4:28:00 PM Posted by Gregor J. Rothfuss, Maps Team and Kevin Marks, Apps Team If you have spent any time in certain corners of the web, you will have heard of

Re: [uf-discuss] definitive hCard on a page

2007-07-04 Thread Kevin Marks
On Jul 4, 2007, at 5:32 AM, Pelle W wrote: Thom Shannon skrev: What would be the way to markup a hCard as being the definitive hCard on a page. For example the page owner or author. My blog has hCards of friends and commenters, as well as my own. But I'd like a programmatic way to identif

Re: [uf-discuss] Fwd: Twitter Is Now Even More Geeky

2007-05-13 Thread Kevin Marks
On May 13, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Chris Messina wrote: XFN. All of the side bars use [rel=contact]. -ryan So yeah, it's hAtom + hCard + XFN. Pretty good, especially since we haven't seen too much hAtom pickup outside of a few WordPress blogs. Also rel="me" on the URL links in personal pages, whi

[uf-discuss] Session on Microfromats process and media info at web2Open today

2007-04-18 Thread Kevin Marks
I'm speaking at this with Mary Hodder today, with the hope of explaining the Microfromats process, and encouraging people to contribute to the converegnce around media-info that seems to be picking up interest again: http://xrl.us/vtdg http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2007-04-17-web-2-

Re: [uf-discuss] Numbers of Microformats in the Wild?

2007-04-12 Thread Kevin Marks
On Apr 12, 2007, at 8:06 AM, Kevin Lawver wrote: I'm presenting on microformats at Web 2.0 Expo (well, hopefully, if they can move me back to my original time) next week, and would love to have more examples of folks using microformats as APIs. I ungraciously stole an idea I saw on the li

Re: [uf-discuss] [Zen of Microformats] Two Fundamental Principles of Information Design

2007-03-09 Thread Kevin Marks
On Mar 8, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: For example, Novak etc. might work fine, but imagine you later discover an established practice amongst biologists: Microhylidae. Turns out their existing systems consider your Costellos, Novaks and Smiths as a classification term, alongside Narro

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformat tools bogosity test

2007-03-07 Thread Kevin Marks
On Mar 7, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: There I disagree - as far as the theory goes, for microformats the problem is effectively solved. The notion of profile URIs has gone through the community process, and there's even a microformat to support them: XMDP. It's been accepted that each

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformat tools bogosity test

2007-03-06 Thread Kevin Marks
On Mar 6, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Christopher St John wrote: On 3/6/07, Kevin Marks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mar 5, 2007, at 3:31 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: > Thought this might be useful: > > http://dannyayers.com/misc/microformats/soupdragon http://epeus.blogspot.com/2007/03/

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformat tools bogosity test

2007-03-06 Thread Kevin Marks
On Mar 5, 2007, at 3:31 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: Thought this might be useful: http://dannyayers.com/misc/microformats/soupdragon http://epeus.blogspot.com/2007/03/hot-news-people-lie.html Or, as we say round here, 'not 80%' ___ microformats-discuss

Re: [uf-discuss] rel-tag title as tag value (Was: Should microformat features (like rel-tag) have explicit scope?)

2007-02-24 Thread Kevin Marks
On Feb 24, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Mike Kaply wrote: Was there a reason in the original creation of rel-tag that no one thought to allow title to specify the tagname? Yes, the idea was to make it more resilient against gaming by requiring the URL to embody the tag. This followed existing practice

[uf-discuss] XOXO to JSON and back

2007-02-21 Thread Kevin Marks
A preliminary go at a bidirectional XOXO to JSON service: http://kevinmarks.com/cgi-bin/xoxotojson.py?url=http://kevinmarks.com and back again: http://kevinmarks.com/cgi-bin/jsontoxoxo.py?url=http%3A// kevinmarks.com/cgi-bin/xoxotojson.py%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A//kevinmarks.com change the url parame

Re: [uf-discuss] OpenID

2007-02-21 Thread Kevin Marks
I disagree, it being a URL is a good thing. I have http:/ kevinmarks.com as an openid URL with microformats attached to it (based on Chris Messina's here): http://factoryjoe.com/hcard.html Should I be asserting his urls as a uid? On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:19 AM, Thom Shannon wrote: I was pictur

Re: [uf-discuss] OpenID

2007-02-21 Thread Kevin Marks
On Feb 20, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Thom Shannon wrote: I was thinking there should be a way to have your OpenID on other profiles that can easily be consumed, allowing someone to see you on social network A and add you on their social network B based on you using the same OpenID. that's where UID wo

Re: [advocacy] Contacting Blogger (was Re: [uf-discuss] Rel-tag issues...)

2007-02-11 Thread Kevin Marks
On Feb 11, 2007, at 7:25 PM, Ben Buchanan wrote: > Right. On this point, does anyone have a contact at Blogger? Support > emails do not get individual replies so we need someone to contact a > real live human. I have contacts there, yes. [snip] Can you show me an example of them getting i

Re: [uf-discuss] Rel-tag issues, i can't create my own tagspace!

2007-02-11 Thread Kevin Marks
On Feb 8, 2007, at 7:10 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian Suda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes --- i agree with all of this, and that is why microformats do not force you to use your own tagspace. There are plenty of sites that can easily be used as tagspaces[1] Th

Re: [advocacy] Contacting Blogger (was Re: [uf-discuss] Rel-tag issues...)

2007-02-11 Thread Kevin Marks
On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:54 AM, Ben Buchanan wrote: The better approach is to lobby the software/server folks to fix their implementation, Right. On this point, does anyone have a contact at Blogger? Support emails do not get individual replies so we need someone to contact a real live human.

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats, WebApps 1.0 and UI widgets in browsers

2007-02-01 Thread Kevin Marks
On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:25 PM, Karl Dubost wrote: At first, I say “cool, very cool!”. Then, taking a step back, I think what about the documents which have been created for the last 15 years before microformats effort existed. These documents contain class names which are probably and

Re: [uf-discuss] rel="tag"

2007-01-07 Thread Kevin Marks
On Jan 5, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Except rel-tag explicitly uses the last part of the URL path, and should ignore query parameters and fragment identifiers[1] i.e. http://example.com/tags?tag=/fish => tags So the "workaround" at:

Re: Scope of tags (Was: [uf-discuss] rel="nsfw")

2007-01-03 Thread Kevin Marks
On Jan 3, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: On: By adding rel="tag" to a hyperlink, a page indicates that the destination of that hyperlink is an author-designated "tag" (or keyword/subject) for the current pag

Re: [uf-discuss] rel="tag"

2007-01-03 Thread Kevin Marks
On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:10 PM, Nick Peters wrote: Seeing the tag implementation on Operator has made me question the existing tagging standard. With wordpress you may get something like "?cat=13" for a tag or something that may not even be the intended tag at all. Yes, Wordpress abuses the rel="

Re: [uf-discuss] rel="muse" implies romantic relationship?

2006-12-10 Thread Kevin Marks
On Dec 10, 2006, at 6:08 PM, Chris Messina wrote: And despite my attempts to explain, as you all have, the origins of the "romantic" sense of the term, Tara never gave me the benefit of the doubt, hence the semantic change. ;) So yes, Tantek, a FAQ entry would certainly be appreciated. Have

[uf-discuss] Re: [video_vertigo] Re: [videoblogging] Media RSS what?

2006-12-05 Thread Kevin Marks
t; cannot be used in conjunction with one another. Yes they can, multiple rel's are legal HTML; rel="tag nofollow" is a little nonsensical (the link is a tag for the page, but don't index it?) but see above for more coherent examples. Peace, -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.co

Re: [uf-discuss] simple rss question

2006-12-01 Thread Kevin Marks
If the page is for a person, then the RSS is an alternative. Use the Feed autodiscovery syntax makes sense: http://feedautodiscovery.org/doku.php but you could apply it to an href="http://example.com/feed.rss"; >Ted Drake's feed On Dec 1, 2006, at 3:14 AM, Brian Suda wrote: hm... not

Re: [uf-discuss] Bug in rel-lint bookmarklet

2006-11-29 Thread Kevin Marks
Andy, what do you mean by 'submitted the page to Technorati' ? By the look of it, you pinged us as if it were a blog url. We indexed it on 2006-11-25 01:43:05 PST, and didn't find any blog posts in it. As it is a non-blog page, you should submit it via Pingerati http://pingerati.net and it w

Re: [uf-discuss] tagging: not always appropriate

2006-11-24 Thread Kevin Marks
On Nov 24, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: For instance, if an obituary page like: were to use an hCard, which has no "deceased" flag or date-of-death property, it would be disrespectful (not to say confusing to a target

[uf-discuss] Fwd: Timeline and microformats

2006-11-04 Thread Kevin Marks
seen http://simile.mit.edu/timeline/ ? I contacted the author - what's the best existing 'hCalendar to JSON' tool? Begin forwarded message: From: David Huynh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: November 3, 2006 6:54:57 AM PST To: Kevin Marks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re

[uf-discuss] Happy halloween

2006-10-31 Thread Kevin Marks
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/285384771/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/285384695/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss

[uf-discuss] Visible data and key+value pairs

2006-10-26 Thread Kevin Marks
I had a discussion about this in Shelley Powers' blog comments a while back: http://just.shelleypowers.com/technology/ajax-myth-busting/#comment638 what I said then was: What is data and what is metadata depends on the content and the context. If you have a series of key/value pairs where b

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

2006-10-25 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 23, 2006, at 1:11 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote: Let me go ahead and give you a hypothetical example (I have had the exact problem in the past, so it is a real problem, it's just that explain in hypotheical requires less background explanation): http://www.wiki-info.org/platforms/linu

Re: [uf-discuss] RE: Disconnect between hCard and RFC 2426 (vCard specification)?

2006-10-23 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 23, 2006, at 5:30 AM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote: 1:1 means that the field names are identical in each, not that the use-case will always be the same. (Incidentally, I have seen vCards made for businesses before...) Quite - microformats are based on observing usage, not on theory. There

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose)

2006-10-21 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 19, 2006, at 9:57 PM, Christopher Rines wrote: In my opinion amount is a really difficult one to abbreviate (or any measure for that matter) as it can be used to describe a lot of other things for which there is not yet a microformat but cur (for currency) is interesting as just off t

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats vs. CalDAV?

2006-10-19 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 19, 2006, at 8:18 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote: "The good news is Apple in on our board, which means CalDAV would be the standard we'd employ." CalDEV: http://ietf.osafoundation.org/caldav/ Now, it's my understanding that one of the benefits of Microformats is that it co-exists nicel

Re: [uf-discuss] rel-nofollow or equivalent for Citation format

2006-10-19 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 18, 2006, at 6:38 AM, brian suda wrote: If you want rel="nofollow" you are more than welcome to use that on ANY microformat, it doesn't need to be baked into the citation. You could so something like: http://en.wikipedia.com/wiki/microformats"; rel="vote-for tag directory nofollow muse

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations

2006-10-19 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 19, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In itself, it's not significant, as it is well under a packet size, as I said, and so will not affect download time. Why is packet size relevant? The page concerned has many - and some have dozens - of table rows in similar format. Good! Do

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations

2006-10-19 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 19, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin Marks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes using more compact forms of the mf markup I get Other than the "20061103T213000Z" format for dates, what did you change? I removed a redundan

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations

2006-10-19 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 18, 2006, at 6:09 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: That's 399 characters increased to 860 (excluding indentation); over double. when gzipped (with indentation) I get 308 bytes vs 498 ration 1.62 Stripping out the indentation and CRs and using more compact forms of the mf markup I get Frida

Re: [uf-discuss] Live Writer and microformats

2006-10-05 Thread Kevin Marks
There is a list of current classes on the wiki, though being able to insert rel values is also important: http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-classes On Oct 5, 2006, at 10:22 PM, Chris Messina wrote: This kind of delves into the "authoritative standards" doesn't it? And how do you keep up w

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-03 Thread Kevin Marks
You'll need a Flash-compatible browser - their geotagging is Flash-based at the moment. (we'd better get HTML-defining and evangelising to convert our Flickr friends) On Oct 3, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin Marks <[EMAIL

[uf-discuss] Geographic polygons [was geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-03 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 3, 2006, at 1:12 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Casciano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Totally ignored the point I was trying to make... and that is that describing a border - of any shape - by the use of a collection of geo coords (at whatever precision)

Re: History Microformat (was Re: [uf-discuss] Dated currency examples?)

2006-10-02 Thread Kevin Marks
On Sep 25, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Jeremy Boggs wrote: i would be very interested in helping to explore a "history" microformat. In my spare time, I've been collecting examples of history timelines, after discussions a few months ago on this list about the inability of using hCalendar to mark up be

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 2, 2006, at 4:24 PM, Kevin Marks wrote: On Oct 2, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Chris Casciano wrote: You could outline any territory as a series of geos if the need ever arose. But I'm still not clear how we've gotten here. If I want to say something is in Ireland, or Mexico City or

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 2, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Michael MD wrote: Not really, if it's a large city... Consider Birmingham, England, whose "centre" is far from being equidistant to all points on its boundary - it's in "Ladywood" on this map: http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/wards GeoRSS uses a "radius" element

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 2, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Chris Casciano wrote: You could outline any territory as a series of geos if the need ever arose. But I'm still not clear how we've gotten here. If I want to say something is in Ireland, or Mexico City or somewhere in the Alps I'd tag it as such. I thought the or

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 2, 2006, at 3:56 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin Marks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Andy, you're missing the point. No, I'm not. This was a discussion on accuracy of co-ordinates, and I was developing that theme. If yo

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Kevin Marks
Andy, you're missing the point. A bare lat-long pair is not always helpful. If that's all you have, you can't really display a useful map. The existing mapping tools tend to use product-specific ways of specifying the degree of zoom needed, to distinguish between the right side of my desk, th

Re: [uf-discuss] A bug in the Technorati's events exporting tool

2006-09-26 Thread Kevin Marks
On Sep 26, 2006, at 5:44 AM, Brian Suda wrote: I won't go too much technical detail on the discuss list, you can email me off list for a complete explaination and how the W3C defines the order of where to look for language encodings, etc. Our own Mark Pilgrim wrote a good explanation of this:

Re: [uf-discuss] i-names and hcard

2006-09-19 Thread Kevin Marks
u - XRI's are a good way to do it" :)) On 9/19/06, Kevin Marks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sep 19, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Sebastian Küpers wrote: > http://xri.net/=sebastian/+hcard (just try this url in your browser) > > at the moment it redirects you to my claimID accou

Re: [uf-discuss] i-names and hcard

2006-09-19 Thread Kevin Marks
On Sep 19, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Sebastian Küpers wrote: http://xri.net/=sebastian/+hcard (just try this url in your browser) at the moment it redirects you to my claimID account. but I can now change it to my blog for example and this url still remains the same. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/UR

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: Lunar/ Mars co-ordinates (like "geo")

2006-09-19 Thread Kevin Marks
On Sep 18, 2006, at 3:57 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin Marks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes How about adding a container around the geo that specifies the planet (or geoid, if you want to get extra fussy. You can say it defaults to WSGS-84, which

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: Lunar/ Mars co-ordinates (like "geo")

2006-09-18 Thread Kevin Marks
On Sep 18, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: - do we really need a /different/ microformat for every body being described? is there a way to add a third value for type (or body, or something more appropriate) to geo without breaking exiting spec / rules or muddying things up too much? I di

Re: [uf-discuss] hAtom implementation questions

2006-09-12 Thread Kevin Marks
I'd say both points are arguable. From my point of view, tags should be inside the post content, as otherwise they may be dropped from the feed. Likewise, Stephanie's other-language summaries are currently not in her Atom feed, which makes it less useful, as I find the English summaries handy w

Re: [uf-discuss] hJob

2006-08-30 Thread Kevin Marks
On Aug 30, 2006, at 7:33 AM, Scott Reynen wrote: On Aug 30, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Don Park wrote: Given recent moves in the job listing by bloggers, I think 'hJob' and syndication of job data might be a nice near-term topic for discussion. Thoughts? Links to alternate proposals? http://micro

Re: [uf-discuss] Ordered Lists

2006-08-29 Thread Kevin Marks
Paul, XOXO is a way to represent (nested) lists using and that maps well into programming languages - worth a look for what we have already done: http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo On Aug 29, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Paul Kinlan wrote: Yeah, I would like to be able to understand what the list is

Re: [uf-discuss] Pingerati

2006-08-29 Thread Kevin Marks
Paul, Scott, sorry about this delay. Do please send me details directly of your REST calls and which pings you want, and I'll hook you up. On Aug 29, 2006, at 5:24 AM, Scott Reynen wrote: On Aug 29, 2006, at 6:19 AM, Paul Kinlan wrote: Has anybody had any luck getting technorati to send pinge

[uf-discuss] Apple open sources their iCal Server

2006-08-09 Thread Kevin Marks
This looks interesting - I was chatting to some of Apple's server team last night at the webkit meetup. Begin forwarded message: From: Peter Herndon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: August 9, 2006 12:35:11 PM PDT To: twisted-web@twistedmatrix.com Subject: [Twisted-web] Apple using Twisted in OS 10.5

Re: [uf-discuss] WordPress and hAtom: Just for themers?

2006-08-08 Thread Kevin Marks
On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:27 PM, Scott Reynen wrote: That prompts me to ask a follow up question: why isn't hAtom intended to replace RSS or Atom? Is it the increased bandwidth required for all the extraneous information in a given XHTML document, or the loss of semantics from Atom to hAtom, or is

Re: [uf-discuss] AJAX Pages and Microformats.

2006-08-08 Thread Kevin Marks
On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:40 AM, Pedro Custódio wrote: Hi everyone! I'm kind of new into the microformats world, so this doubt can have actually been answered before, if so please excuse me! ;) How do you take advantage of microformats on pages built using ajax technology, I mean pages, which c

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Exploratory discussion: content rating

2006-07-27 Thread Kevin Marks
On Jul 27, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Scott Reynen wrote: I didn't mean to suggest you weren't following the process. I was just trying to point out the humorous situation I was imagining, in which someone walks by, sees you looking at a porn site, and then you turn around and try in vain to explain

Re: [uf-discuss] "Must Ignore vs. Microformats"

2006-07-19 Thread Kevin Marks
On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Tantek Çelik wrote: On 7/19/06 10:34 AM, "Charles Iliya Krempeaux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One "good" thing about XML, IMO, is that for certain simple markups based on XML, it's easier for a beginner-level or intermediate-level developer to write a parser for i

Re: [uf-discuss] Very basic question that is not in the FAQ

2006-06-22 Thread Kevin Marks
On Jun 22, 2006, at 2:29 PM, Ryan King wrote: Well, that's not quite true. Work on microformats began with Tantek, Eric and Matt working on XFN. At the time, Tantek was still at Microsoft (and Eric and Matt have never worked at Technorati). And Tantek, me and Mark Pilgrim working on XOXO, w

Re: [uf-discuss] Very basic question that is not in the FAQ

2006-06-22 Thread Kevin Marks
On Jun 22, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Scott Reynen wrote: On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Tantek Çelik wrote: Hamper compared to what? When I'm telling someone about microformats and they express concern that Technorati might try to control microformats as Microsoft or Google has been feared trying t

Re: [uf-discuss] media file example of hAtom

2006-06-14 Thread Kevin Marks
Great, David - I'll add mine. On Jun 14, 2006, at 2:36 AM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix wrote: Strangely enough!: http://microformats.org/wiki/alternates-brainstorming http://microformats.org/wiki/alternates-examples Regards, etc... David Kevin Marks wrote: rel-enclosure is deliberately li

Re: [uf-discuss] media file example of hAtom

2006-06-14 Thread Kevin Marks
rel-enclosure is deliberately limited, so that it can be used as part of a wider format. The issue of alternative representations seems like a common one for media. At the HTML level rel="alternate" is used for this. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/links.html#h-12.3 If you are listing alte

Re: [uf-discuss] LinkedIn and Microformats

2006-06-13 Thread Kevin Marks
On Jun 13, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Chris Messina wrote: It would be interesting if the Pingerati infrastructure offered a validation service -- or revealed mal-formed microformats. A validator is orthogonal to pingerati, but if someone puts one togtether I'll happily feed it pings. Similarly ex

Re: [uf-discuss] pingerati notes

2006-06-04 Thread Kevin Marks
On Jun 4, 2006, at 2:21 AM, Mark Mansour wrote: I have to say "great job" on the pingerati digester and multiplexer! Just a couple of administrative items - I cant get reach events.pingerati.com/ping/ or review.* as noted on the about page (I stopped trying after these two failed) Oops, that

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats search and pinging

2006-06-01 Thread Kevin Marks
On Jun 1, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Scott Reynen wrote: On Jun 1, 2006, at 1:00 AM, Kevin Marks wrote: On May 31, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Scott Reynen wrote: On May 31, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: There are some indexers of specific microformats right now (e.g. Reevoo and Kritx both index

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats search and pinging

2006-05-31 Thread Kevin Marks
On May 31, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Scott Reynen wrote: On May 31, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: There are some indexers of specific microformats right now (e.g. Reevoo and Kritx both index hReviews), but no general microformats search engine. Hmm... I'm pretty sure I was indexing contac

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: hDinner

2006-05-30 Thread Kevin Marks
And here was I hoping we'd have a south bay one for a change... I'm down at the Netsquared conference, shall we throng after Chris and Tantek's session at 5.10 or so? On May 30, 2006, at 12:24 PM, Chris Messina wrote: Not to mention close to Tantek's house! :D But yeah, that's probably a de

Re: Language Maps [was RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats vs XML]

2006-05-02 Thread Kevin Marks
On May 1, 2006, at 5:59 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: The problem with AppleScript is that it is actually not that readable/writable (even in English *by* native English readers). AppleScript has a superficial resemblance/reuse of English terms which makes it look a lot easier than it actually is (A

Re: [uf-discuss] Chat microformat/podcast transcript

2006-04-14 Thread Kevin Marks
At least with DT and DD there's a clear correlation for the speaker with her/his words: speaker 1: something that speaker 1 said speaker 2: something that speaker 2 said Thats why you use a list: Chris Messina A chat is a list of definitions. Kevin Marks No, a chat is a list of q

Re: [uf-discuss] Google at it again

2006-04-12 Thread Kevin Marks
On Apr 12, 2006, at 11:27 PM, Sam Sethi wrote: So who's the new Google ;-) depends who you ask: http://www.google.com/search&q=%22is+the+new+google%22 says yahoo http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=%22is+the+new+google%22 says 37 signals or maybe wikipedia __

Re: [uf-discuss] seeking clarification w/r/to hCard and RFCs 2425/2426

2006-03-29 Thread Kevin Marks
On Mar 27, 2006, at 11:10 PM, C. Hudley wrote: Like I said: things like protocols and data formats. Version and revision numbers. Publication dates. Specification names and standards organization references. Arbitrary names of services-people-deliver that aren't standard in any way. Some of

Re: [uf-discuss] MicroID - Identity in a shade of microformat

2006-03-27 Thread Kevin Marks
On Mar 27, 2006, at 3:40 PM, jer wrote: Boy, once Doc gets a hold of something... I was going to send out a little note here asking for some feedback, but it's gone full circle already :) Anyway, MicroID isn't exactly a microformat all by itself but it can be expressed in conjunction with o

Re: [uf-discuss] Plants Microformat

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Marks
On Mar 24, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Ryan King wrote: Let's take a step back and think about whether a microformat for plants is worthwhile– Microformats are solutions to common problems, which means they often end up being low hanging fruit. That doesn't mean, however, that all low-hanging-fruit i

Re: [uf-discuss] Plants Microformat

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Marks
On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Scott Reynen wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 12:08 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: What do you mean by "plants"? Garden plants? Plants as studied by botanists? Plant-material, such as cut flowers, or planks of timber? Is there really any ambiguity here? The former two are

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposed microformat: Music

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Marks
On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Rod Begbie wrote: I've been lurking for a wee while, trying to get me head round an idea I would like to see. My goal is the creation of a music-description microformat. This seems like a worthwhile effort, and it may kickstart the media-info project, which is a

Re: [uf-discuss] See Bill say it yourself!

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Marks
also on my blog in a couple of formats: http://epeus.blogspot.com/ 2006_03_01_epeus_archive.html#114298458682596670 On Mar 23, 2006, at 11:21 PM, Chris Messina wrote: Got the video, had to YouTube it: http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/03/23/the-imminent-rise-of- microformats/ Cheers! _

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