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20061225T00". I disagree. That's the correct way to represent
Christmas DAY; Christmas lasts for 12 days; and for some people starts
on or around 7 January.
Pedantically,
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[2] simplified page at
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do this by describing them in a simple and versatile, yet
strictly defined, way. Learn more about microformats.
Of course, there may be more suitable examples.
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>I have come up with this (valid) mark-up [2]:
>but cannot see how to include hCalendars's "location" or "URL". In this
>case, the URL should be that of the page on which the eve
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>Ironically, this is exactly the sort of thing microformats are against
>using-
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>> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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I would avoid class="title", anyway, as there's already a title
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>I am developing a microformat proposal for plants.
What do you mean by "plants"? Garden plants? Plants as studied by
botanists? Plant-material, such as cut flowers, or planks of timber?
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>title="homosapien"
ITYM "Homo sapiens" (two words, capital "H", closing "s")
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is it? are there any alternative/ competing formats?
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> It still has the same latin name
No, it has a scientific name.
>Do we need to clarify that we're not talking about plastic plants or
>photos of plants also?
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>existing proposal for some kind of software microformat.
You might want to see:
http://www.asp-shareware.org
Is it acceptable to use 'OpenURL COinS' in this way:
0
9507881-2-0
Thoughts?
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>ISBN is a registered URN, so I'd rather see coding that supported that;
>e.g. urn:isbn:0950788120.
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>> How would you see that sitting inside HTML mark-up?
>
>0 9507881-2-0
Thank you.
I'm very concerned that that may be an abuse of "abbr"; and wonder how
it will sound when read to some
ion[1] about the title attribute.
>
>[1] http://www.sf.id.au/WE05/indexa.html#slide5
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Interesting assertion. Care to cite your evidence?
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user is aware of the presence of TITLE texts and specifies the option
>to read TITLE texts, which for many, means that they will not hear the
>link text"
Indeed. I wonder how it will sound when read to someone using assistive
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>Arcane 17 - André
>Breton
>
Which doesn't meet my original request:
I feel that there should be some way (or is there already?) for
marking up an ISBN number, so that it is recognisable as such.
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No evidence, then.
Free clue: I know far more people who use ISBNs than zip codes (indeed,
more who know what an ISBN is, than do a zip code).
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I should be grateful for people's comments about the way I've added
hCard markup to :
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/club/executive.htm
and especially how I might add the "organisation" component which is the
same for every person listed.
Thank
ts as to how to do so while again retaining the
format (but being willing to include additional data)
In each case, the pages are manually generated (for now), but it is my
intention to migrate them to a database, and use PHP to display them.
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Also, I marked up the text concerned as:
West Midland Bird Club
but it seems to me that:
West Midland Bird
Club
should work. Thoughts?
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t;brainstorming" page [1], it's presumably not yet
an accepted standard?
[1] I'm told that in some circles, the use of "brainstorming" in this
context is considered insensitive, even offensive, as it is also used in
the context of epilepsy or some related conditions
ot;vcard"
>West
>Midland Bird
>Club
Thanks. I've done that.
Either FireFox's "Tails Export" extension doesn't yet now about the
include trick, or it's not working on:
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/club/executiveVCARD.htm
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>Perhaps not a microformat, in the sense used here, but I feel that
>there should be some way (or is there already?) for marking up an ISBN
>number, so that it is recognisable as such.
Was this ever re
thors.
You asked me to let you know if they "lack clarity in any way"; not
whether they were clear to you.
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>
>Right, you should certainly apply the above styling to all browsers,
>as they each have their own difficulties with object elements.
And what about agents with no CSS capability? The method smacks of being
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n parlance:
1
Might be interpreted as:
1/- (worth £4.50 [1] in modern terms)
There would be further complications where the entire currency has
disappeared, (such as French Francs into Euros) rather than just the
fractions of the main unit (as old English shillings/ pennies
r is better, because the number is included in the
markup, not merely the symbol.
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>I got the page kicked off by capturing a few examples in the wild and
>some of the brainstorming that took place here on the list.
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e we just strayed from marking up currency to
>marking up exchange rates.
Working out values in secondary currencies is a (real-time or daily) job
for server-side scripting or user agents, surely?
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>Consider a defunct currency
Example:
http://charlesdickenspage.com/works.html
a novel cost 31 shillings in 1836, average worker earned 6 to 20
shillings per week) but a monthly instal
racted and or used by an
>outside process?
As I've already pointed out; amounts could be styled with currency
symbols in the same way that "Q" tags are styled with quote marks (or in
the above example, suppressed by using, say, class="nosymbol"); and the
date attribute would
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>
>6 to
>20
>shillings
Ack! That should be:
6 to
20
shillings
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>can't write HTML.
>Some commercial providers say, 'I'm the
>leader. Why should I standardize?'
All Goog
ot;, preceded by a
space.
You should prompt for a "title" attribute for the link.
The date format "July 19 20, 2006" is US-centric; offer a "19-20 July
2006" variant (with an "–", but no comma) and consider others.
Allow times to be presented
t 58,500 for "worth" "in modern terms".
about 381,000,000 for "worth" "today"
including <http://eh.net/hmit/> and
<http://www.exeter.ac.uk/~RDavies/arian/current/howmuch.html>
about 15,800,000 for Fre
by paragraph including:
"$50 or $50"
any more than, say:
"IBM or
IBM"
(though neither is human-friendly).
Where the 'nationality' of the currency needs to be shown to a human,
'$US 50' is:
$US 50
but what about &#x
dollars five
>25cm
I'd certainly like to be able to mark up, say:
2"
and:
2"
in such a way as to show that 2" and 2" are not necessarily the same.
Once again, context will usually make the usage clear, for humans.
(using water HTML entity i
l allowed.
"2<5" would seem, to me, to be a common usage.
As would "b&w television".
As would <http://www.example.com>.
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One (or more, by the time you read this) of the events on this page is
marked up as an hCal. How does it look?
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/diary/indexEXPAND.htm
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What's the correct way to mark up an hCal for an event which has no
duration?
And what's the correct way in which to mark up the event when, at the
end of daylight saving time, clocks go back from 3am to 2am - as a
single event at 3am?
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Surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be anything on the 'hCard authoring'
page <http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring>, about marking up an
e-mail address.
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>>
>> What's the correct way to mark up an hCal for an event which has no
>> duration?
>
>The only two properties that are
w them to easily enter a reminder to do so into their
calendar app. Most apps that I've used, don't generate a reminder for
the end of an event.
>> I think I need to add some timezone info to the start and end times on
>> that page - how?
Done, now - is my mark-up correc
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>One (or more, by the time you read this) of the events on this page is
>marked up as an hCal.
They all are, now.
> How does it look?
>
>http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/diary/indexE
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[of "Almost Universal Microformat Parser":
<http://tools.blogmatrix.com/extract/> ]
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>the hcard name(s) within vevent 20
fixed, thank you.
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>I hope this helps
It has given me food for thought, thanks.
I suppose I could use:
A. B.
Smith
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debatable. Have a look at a decent newspaper's book or theatre
reviews.
>finnaly, the reviewer hCard is also incorrect:
>Andy Mabbett
>March 2006
>
>you need to nest the class="fn" inside the class="vcard"
>Andy Mabbett
>March 2006
Yuk. How is the la
geo.position" style meta tags.
AIUI, they're concerned about spammers - a page can only be marked up
with one point using ICBM or geo.position, but you could, in theory,
have a point for each town in the UK on one page, with the microformat.
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Here's a good test case:
http://www.sfc-plk.edu.hk/estaff.htm
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Arthur
> George
> Windsor
>
>
Assuming you have some spaces in your markup, that would display as:
His Royal Highness The Prince Charles Philip Arthur George
Windsor
So far as I'm aware, that form is never used
data
>is being extracted from the title.
>
>March 2006
Done, thanks. I'm still not happy with using abbr in this way!
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>See this post for
>details and a movie, once it uploads:
>http://michael-mccracken.net/wp/?p=63
Because you've chosen to use a small font and pale grey text, I find
that page almost unr
uot; against which this can
be tested?
(FYI, "SJ870099" is a British Ordnance Survey "Landranger" grid
reference, directly equivalent to the lat. & long. co-ordinates given)
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>SJ870099
>Are there any other tools which recognise "geo" against which this can
>be tested?
<http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/geo/> seems to manage OK
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>http://chancecube.com/archives/2006/09/08/introducing-happy-pals/
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colour alone to convey information. Also, how will it render on an aural
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he venue URL as the URL for
the exported event, rather than the URL for the event itself, Is my
markup at fault, or is it the extension which is wrong? If the former,
how should I fix it?
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>I had a look, and i am pretty sure the extension is in error.
Thank you; I've notified the author.
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ographic Coordinates And
Rotational Elements Of The Planets And Satellites: 2000":
<http://www.gfy.ku.dk/~iag/Travaux_01/Out%20of%20Section/IAU-IAG.htm>
"Mars Global Surveyor Science Sampler Data Set Collection, Coordinate
Systems":
<http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/sci/CDsampler/
Somebody familiar with the "geo" microformat might want to add details,
and a link to the relevant page on the microformat Wiki, to the
Wikipedia page on Geotagging <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geotagging>
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References:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_classification>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_nomenclature>
International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature
<http://www.iczn.org/>
International Code of Botani
find matching pairs of pages with and
without the scientific names of a commonly-named species.
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>> (I am not in a position to do so).
>
>Thanks for pointing this out Andy - could you add your request to the
>to-do page on our wiki so that hopefully someone will pick it up?
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>I propose "luna" and "mars" microformats
See:
<http://microformats.org/wiki/luna-examples>
and
<http://microformats.org/wiki/mars-examples>
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>There should, I believe, be a microformat for the markup of plant and
>animal names, to include their scientific names.
I'm tending towards this model:
sci (scientific name)
roformat, in the same way that an hCal can contain an hCard.
In any case, I've flagged up my proposal on the page you cited.
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>plant microformat
>In any case, I've flagged up my proposal on the page you cited.
Or, rather, on :
http://microformats.org/wiki/plant-examples#See_Also
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>external links it seems the data for the moon landing example all seem
>to blow up because they're trying to plot you on the earth instead..
>(e.g. yahoo puts you in the middle of the pacific ocean).
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<http://microformats.org/wiki/events> !
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, indenting and returns aside, has an extra:
12345678901234567890123456
25 (=26-1) characters over:
37.386013,
-122.082932
It is also non-sensical, since, as I said previously, "geo" refers to
"(planet) Earth".
done now, with
a FireFox extension or GreaseMonkey script?
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>There should, I believe, be a microformat for the markup of plant and
>animal names, to include their scientific names.
Work to date at:
<http://microformats.org/wiki/species-brainstormi
udge for the end date; suggestions of a
better way to mark it up for the given example would be helpful.
Once it's finished and agreed, I plan to make similar pages for other
microformats, and microformats in general.
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events to your diary, in one go? Well, that's what hCalendar
>does."
>
>It's that final word - hCalendar _doesn't_ do those things, but it
>_allows_ it, among other things, such as aggregation on other sites.
Agreed, thank you. I've changed that last word to &qu
planets are also under
>revision
Thank you. I've put our thoughts, to date, on:
<http://microformats.org/wiki/luna-brainstorming>
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Er, that was me "going for it".
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[...]
I did, and in the results pop-up, the pale grey text on a pale buff
background is very hard to read; please increase the contra
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>
Please feel free to critique it, and, in particular, highlight any
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I have in mind some kind of "meta-summary" and "meta-URL" tags.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
The same dilemma applies to the "organisation for all the contacts on,
say:
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/club/executive.htm
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>make it out of scope for microformats?
The example, which you've only partially quoted, is a table row;
elsewhere in that Wiki entry, I've talked of such rows having header
cells; again, the wider
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>Something that renders as...
>
> $5.00
>
>Would have the markup...
>
> $5.00
Interesting, but is "iso42172 better than "currency"?
Andy why is the currency symbol ("¤") needed there?
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events have the summary "WMBC Birmingham
Branch field trip" and use the URL of that page - all data which
is available to visitors to the latter page, albeit not once for
each event.
>If you expect to make this visible, then you can hange an ID on it,
>and use
or proposals.
>
>Otherwise the discussions of brainstorming will tend to reflect bias
>and matters of taste rather than actual market/development
>requirements.
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217 is needed within the code though;
>it could be accepted as the default way of doing it, in the same way
>ISO8601 is used for dates, and whatever co-ordinate system is used in
>geo, etc.
Seconded. It only needs to be specified if there's more than one
standard in use.
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>
>>>
>>> 42.67
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't this suggesting that "42.67" is an abbreviation for &q
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Andy Mabbett
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gine a CSS rule and perhaps a CSS
property or two that would automatically transform and present
[...] ISO8601 dates from 'title' attributes of elements
into whatever datetime format the user preferred
rather than my mark-up, at fault?
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Andy Mabbett
eone might pick up on those examples :o) I suppose
>you could have your "unit" class here:
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>£14
>6s
>4d
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>^^^ There's all sorts of problems with that example,
Not least that "shilling" may not be a British shilling and tha
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>On 9/20/06 3:51 PM, "Andy Mabbett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>> I see that you documented some examples on the "currency" page on the
>>> wiki.
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