Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-10 Thread Darren Tucker
On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: Linux developers were seeing higher throughput (though obviously higher cpu usage) when offload was disabled. Apparently the checksum offload can't pipeline. I'm not sure if vlan hw tagging was also implicated. IIRC

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-06 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-12-02, Darren Tucker dtuc...@zip.com.au wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Blaise Hizded bla...@ovh.fr wrote: I run the previous generation ALIX 2D13 with OpenBSD 5.6 on it for a home firewall with 10MB WAN broadband and 100MB between computers. All is fine: low temperature, low

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-02 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Stan Gammons [sg063...@gmail.com] wrote: The APU1C works fine for a home network. The only 2 things I dislike are the CPU temperature and the link LED's are off when the Ethernet ports are linked at 1 gig. I've complained about the link LED issue on the PC Engines support forum, but I guess

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-02 Thread lists
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 07:51:19AM -0800, Chris Cappuccio wrote: Stan Gammons [sg063...@gmail.com] wrote: Call me crazy, but when OpenBSD takes over control of the Realtek chips, isn't it OpenBSD's responsibility to program them properly, not the BIOS? Wouldn't this generally be controlled by

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-02 Thread Chris Cappuccio
li...@ggp2.com [li...@ggp2.com] wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 07:51:19AM -0800, Chris Cappuccio wrote: Stan Gammons [sg063...@gmail.com] wrote: Call me crazy, but when OpenBSD takes over control of the Realtek chips, isn't it OpenBSD's responsibility to program them properly, not the BIOS?

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-02 Thread Stan Gammons
On 12/02/14 09:51, Chris Cappuccio wrote: Stan Gammons [sg063...@gmail.com] wrote: The APU1C works fine for a home network. The only 2 things I dislike are the CPU temperature and the link LED's are off when the Ethernet ports are linked at 1 gig. I've complained about the link LED issue on

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-02 Thread Darren Tucker
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Blaise Hizded bla...@ovh.fr wrote: I run the previous generation ALIX 2D13 with OpenBSD 5.6 on it for a home firewall with 10MB WAN broadband and 100MB between computers. All is fine: low temperature, low consumption, same speed as with a basic 100MBB switch.

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-02 Thread Josh Grosse
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 10:54:14AM +1100, Darren Tucker wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Blaise Hizded bla...@ovh.fr wrote: I run the previous generation ALIX 2D13 with OpenBSD 5.6 on it for a home firewall with 10MB WAN broadband and 100MB between computers. All is fine: low

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-02 Thread bodie
On 02.12.2014 22:25, Stan Gammons wrote: On 12/02/14 09:51, Chris Cappuccio wrote: Stan Gammons [sg063...@gmail.com] wrote: The APU1C works fine for a home network. The only 2 things I dislike are the CPU temperature and the link LED's are off when the Ethernet ports are linked at 1 gig.

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-29 Thread Blaise Hizded
On 11/28/2014 06:21 PM, trondd wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Edgar Pettijohn pettijo...@hotmail.com wrote: This is something I've been interested in trying, but I would want it as a wireless access point as well and not sure what cards are supported and work well. Does anyone

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-28 Thread Stan Gammons
On 11/28/14 01:32, Blaise Hizded wrote: On 11/28/2014 06:01 AM, Brad Smith wrote: On 11/27/14 23:50, jungle Boogie wrote: Hi, On 27 November 2014 at 20:38, thev...@openmailbox.org wrote: you can just use old hardware for these purposes. from the man who literally wrote the book on pf (from

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-28 Thread trondd
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Edgar Pettijohn pettijo...@hotmail.com wrote: This is something I've been interested in trying, but I would want it as a wireless access point as well and not sure what cards are supported and work well. Does anyone know of any good choices? I went with an

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread jungle Boogie
Hello All, On 25 November 2014 at 12:52, Motty Cruz motty.c...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the past i386 OpenBSD used to perform a lot better than 64bit

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread Stan Gammons
On 11/27/14 21:35, jungle Boogie wrote: Hello All, On 25 November 2014 at 12:52, Motty Cruz motty.c...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the past i386 OpenBSD used

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread Brad Smith
On 11/27/14 22:35, jungle Boogie wrote: Hello All, On 25 November 2014 at 12:52, Motty Cruz motty.c...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the past i386 OpenBSD used

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread jungle Boogie
Hi Stan, On 27 November 2014 at 19:49, Stan Gammons sg063...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/27/14 21:35, jungle Boogie wrote: Anyone have any objections? I know the NICs are not intel so that will probably get a strike against it, but I like the low power. I have a couple of the APU1C's and they

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread jungle Boogie
Hi Brad, On 27 November 2014 at 19:51, Brad Smith b...@comstyle.com wrote: On 11/27/14 22:35, jungle Boogie wrote: Anyone have any objections? I know the NICs are not intel so that will probably get a strike against it, but I like the low power. Unless you guys give some sort of hints as to

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread Stan Gammons
On 11/27/14 22:01, jungle Boogie wrote: Hi Stan, On 27 November 2014 at 19:49, Stan Gammons sg063...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/27/14 21:35, jungle Boogie wrote: Anyone have any objections? I know the NICs are not intel so that will probably get a strike against it, but I like the low power. I

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread jungle Boogie
Hi Stan, On 27 November 2014 at 20:09, Stan Gammons sg063...@gmail.com wrote: The latest BIOS, 9/8/2014, doesn't fix the LED issue. I saw Brad's comments in the other email. The APU is Ok to use as a home firewall. I have no experience on using one in more demanding environment. Well what

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread thevoid
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:10:14 -0800 jungle Boogie jungleboog...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brad, On 27 November 2014 at 19:51, Brad Smith b...@comstyle.com wrote: On 11/27/14 22:35, jungle Boogie wrote: Anyone have any objections? I know the NICs are not intel so that will probably get a strike

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread jungle Boogie
Hi, On 27 November 2014 at 20:38, thev...@openmailbox.org wrote: you can just use old hardware for these purposes. from the man who literally wrote the book on pf (from pf tutorial via http://home.nuug.no/~peter/pf/en/long-firewall.html): I have not seen comparable tests performed

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
On Nov 27, 2014, at 9:35 PM, jungle Boogie wrote: Hello All, On 25 November 2014 at 12:52, Motty Cruz motty.c...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the past

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread Brad Smith
On 11/27/14 23:50, jungle Boogie wrote: Hi, On 27 November 2014 at 20:38, thev...@openmailbox.org wrote: you can just use old hardware for these purposes. from the man who literally wrote the book on pf (from pf tutorial via http://home.nuug.no/~peter/pf/en/long-firewall.html): I have

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread jungle Boogie
Hi Brad, On 27 November 2014 at 21:01, Brad Smith b...@comstyle.com wrote: I don't see anyone claiming it would not be good. It's more like if you happen to have some old hw around that it would probably be good enough for what you're describing but the APU system would also do the job just

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread Christopher Vance
I only have ADSL with downloads 23Mb/s. A PC Engines ALIX does just fine for my pf. On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 3:25 PM, jungle Boogie jungleboog...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Stan, On 27 November 2014 at 20:09, Stan Gammons sg063...@gmail.com wrote: The latest BIOS, 9/8/2014, doesn't fix the LED

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread Blaise Hizded
On 11/28/2014 06:01 AM, Brad Smith wrote: On 11/27/14 23:50, jungle Boogie wrote: Hi, On 27 November 2014 at 20:38, thev...@openmailbox.org wrote: you can just use old hardware for these purposes. from the man who literally wrote the book on pf (from pf tutorial via

Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Motty Cruz
Hello all, I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the past i386 OpenBSD used to perform a lot better than 64bit system. Any suggestions! Thanks, Motty

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Daniel Melameth
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Motty Cruz motty.c...@gmail.com wrote: I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the past i386 OpenBSD used to perform a lot better than 64bit system. As I

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Juan J. Fernandez
Greetings Motty Cruz, In general, you could achieve performance by configuring your kernel according to your hardware. You can use dmesg(8) and 'GENERIC' kernel configuration as a guide for your hardware. Sometimes i386 will run faster than 64 bit (see http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html).

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread motty cruz
Thank you Juan, I appreciate your suggestions and advice. I am planning on using Dual socket B2 (LGA 1356) supports Intel® Xeon® processor E5-2400 v2, I suppose i386 would perform better rather than 64bit amd processor. Thank you again! Thanks, Motty On 11/25/2014 03:01 PM, Juan J. Fernandez

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Philip Guenther
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Juan J. Fernandez j...@tcpapplication.com wrote: In general, you could achieve performance by configuring your kernel according to your hardware. You can use dmesg(8) and 'GENERIC' kernel configuration as a guide for your hardware. That's bad advice. When you

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Brad Smith
On 11/25/14 18:18, motty cruz wrote: Thank you Juan, I appreciate your suggestions and advice. I am planning on using Dual socket B2 (LGA 1356) supports Intel® Xeon® processor E5-2400 v2, I suppose i386 would perform better rather than 64bit amd processor. Thank you again! The amd64 arch

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Juan J. Fernandez
Thank you for your advice Philip. Can you please give your advice then ? Thank you :) Juan J. Fernandez On 11/25/14 21:06, Philip Guenther wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Juan J. Fernandez j...@tcpapplication.com wrote: In general, you could achieve performance by configuring your

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Juan J. Fernandez
Thank you Brad. Juan J. Fernandez On 11/25/14 21:20, Brad Smith wrote: On 11/25/14 18:18, motty cruz wrote: Thank you Juan, I appreciate your suggestions and advice. I am planning on using Dual socket B2 (LGA 1356) supports Intel® Xeon® processor E5-2400 v2, I suppose i386 would perform

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Nick Holland
On 11/25/14 15:51, Motty Cruz wrote: Hello all, I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the past i386 OpenBSD used to perform a lot better than 64bit system. Paraphrasing your question: I'm

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Adam Thompson
On 14-11-25 02:52 PM, Motty Cruz wrote: Hello all, I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the past i386 OpenBSD used to perform a lot better than 64bit system. Any suggestions! Thanks, Motty