Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-11 Thread Dutch Ingraham
On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 12:57:59PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Mar 2017, ropers wrote: > > > Was 32-on-64 compatibility somehow easier to achieve on the Linux side? > > > Or did they just keep throwing code and more code at the problem because > > > they felt they really, really

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-11 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017, ropers wrote: > > Was 32-on-64 compatibility somehow easier to achieve on the Linux side? > > Or did they just keep throwing code and more code at the problem because > > they felt they really, really had to have this? It's that kind of idle > > curiosity. If nobody's

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-11 Thread Philip Guenther
On Sat, 11 Mar 2017, ropers wrote: > Was 32-on-64 compatibility somehow easier to achieve on the Linux side? > Or did they just keep throwing code and more code at the problem because > they felt they really, really had to have this? It's that kind of idle > curiosity. If nobody's interested in

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-11 Thread Jacob L. Leifman
On 11 Mar 2017 at 15:47, ropers wrote: > On 11 March 2017 at 15:18, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > On 2017/03/10 23:56, ropers wrote: > > > On 10 March 2017 at 01:30, Stuart Henderson > > > wrote: > > > > > > (And unlike Linux, 32-bit OpenBSD

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-11 Thread ropers
On 11 March 2017 at 15:18, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2017/03/10 23:56, ropers wrote: > > On 10 March 2017 at 01:30, Stuart Henderson > > wrote: > > > > (And unlike Linux, 32-bit OpenBSD binaries won't run on OpenBSD/ > > amd64) > > > > > >

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-11 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2017/03/10 23:56, ropers wrote: > On 10 March 2017 at 01:30, Stuart Henderson > wrote: > > (And unlike Linux, 32-bit OpenBSD binaries won't run on OpenBSD/ > amd64) > > > Is there a technical reason for that? > I'm not trying to demand anything here; just

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-10 Thread Jiri B
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:23:12AM +0100, Stefan Wollny wrote: > For the very reason I use OpenBSD: Confidentiality. Wouldn't running closed source Linux binaries on OpenBSD conflict with your trust? Those binaries cannot be pledge etc... IMO it's better if we would have a "VMM bootloader" which

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-09 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2017-03-09, Stefan Wollny <stefan.wol...@web.de> wrote: >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 09. März 2017 um 09:43 Uhr >> Von: "Stuart Henderson" <s...@spacehopper.org> >> An: misc@openbsd.org >> Betreff: Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries mi

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-09 Thread Stefan Wollny
Am 03/09/17 um 21:55 schrieb Marc Espie: ... > In my opinion, there's more chance vmm will eventually be mature > enough to run a virtual linux machine than the return of userland > linux emulation. > This is what I am hoping for - it is just this particular piece of software that I need from

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-09 Thread Stefan Wollny
Am 03/09/17 um 22:44 schrieb bofh: > On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Stefan Wollny wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> I have to live up to my obligations - and one of them is to be able to >> work with M$-Word docs. I used to do this with SoftMaker's office suite, >> but since

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-09 Thread bofh
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Stefan Wollny wrote: > Hi there, > > I have to live up to my obligations - and one of them is to be able to > work with M$-Word docs. I used to do this with SoftMaker's office suite, > but since Linux-compat is gone I am stuck with

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-09 Thread Marc Espie
To clarify, from what I remember, killing linux compat was not a political decision per-se ("emulation is bad"). Rather, it is that the emulation was 32 bits-only, and more and more out-of-date so completelely useless, and also not really very maintained, so it amounted to more code with possible

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-09 Thread Stefan Wollny
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 09. März 2017 um 09:43 Uhr > Von: "Stuart Henderson" <s...@spacehopper.org> > An: misc@openbsd.org > Betreff: Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again??? > > On 2017-03-07, Stefan Wollny <stefan.wol...@web.de&

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-09 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2017-03-07, Stefan Wollny wrote: > at home this is the way I go, too. But I have to travel to my client's > place (by train!) and when working in the evening in the hotel room like > tonight (as I have to leave the office building by 8 pm at the latest) > it is somewhat

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-07 Thread Marc Peters
Am 03/07/17 um 23:32 schrieb Stefan Wollny: > at home this is the way I go, too. But I have to travel to my client's > place (by train!) and when working in the evening in the hotel room like > tonight (as I have to leave the office building by 8 pm at the latest) > it is somewhat inconvenient to

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-07 Thread Leighton Sheppard
March 2017 05:39 To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again??? Softmaker doesn't support any of the BSDs - they've done it years ago for FreeBSD but the customer's interest was too little. Am 07.03.17 um 23:52 schrieb Damian McGuckin

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-07 Thread Andre Ruppert
Softmaker doesn't support any of the BSDs - they've done it years ago for FreeBSD but the customer's interest was too little. Am 07.03.17 um 23:52 schrieb Damian McGuckin: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Stefan Wollny wrote: > >> Yes - I will (again) contact SoftMaker trying to persuade them to >> provide

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-07 Thread bytevolcano
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 09:52:39 +1100 (AEDT) Damian McGuckin wrote: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Stefan Wollny wrote: > > > Yes - I will (again) contact SoftMaker trying to persuade them to > > provide an OpenBSD-version of their office suite. But they seem to > > have none with some

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-07 Thread Damian McGuckin
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Stefan Wollny wrote: Yes - I will (again) contact SoftMaker trying to persuade them to provide an OpenBSD-version of their office suite. But they seem to have none with some decent Unix/OpenBSD-knowledge, just Linux. Sigh... I would buy SoftMaker on OpenBSD. Regards -

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-07 Thread Stefan Wollny
Am 03/07/17 um 22:50 schrieb Damian McGuckin: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > >> Regarding your task at hand: >> >> If you want to run MS Word, your best bet is running MS Windows. >> If you want to run binary-only Linux software, your best bet is >> running Linux. Ideally, on

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-07 Thread Stefan Wollny
Am 03/07/17 um 22:43 schrieb Ingo Schwarze: > Hi, > > Stefan Wollny wrote on Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 10:01:49PM +0100: > >> ANY chance that there will be a way to run Linux binaries again? > > Usually, i'm wary of making definite statements about the future, > but in this case, a clear "NO" semms

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-07 Thread Karl Pettersson
One alternative, for production of Word documents, might be to use Pandoc for converting from a lightweight markup language to DOCX. There is no OpenBSD package for Pandoc, and building it OpenBSD can be tricky, but I have succeeded with GHC 7.10.3 (wxallowed has to be enabled on home and tmp).

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-07 Thread Damian McGuckin
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Ingo Schwarze wrote: Regarding your task at hand: If you want to run MS Word, your best bet is running MS Windows. If you want to run binary-only Linux software, your best bet is running Linux. Ideally, on dedicated hardware that is not connected to the Internet. We use

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-07 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Stefan Wollny wrote on Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 10:01:49PM +0100: > ANY chance that there will be a way to run Linux binaries again? Usually, i'm wary of making definite statements about the future, but in this case, a clear "NO" semms like a very safe bet. Syscall compat layers cause

Re: Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-07 Thread Luis Coronado
I believe that the short answer is no, but devs will know for sure. -l On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Stefan Wollny wrote: > Hi there, > > I have to live up to my obligations - and one of them is to be able to > work with M$-Word docs. I used to do this with SoftMaker's

Please: Is there ANY chance that Linux binaries might run again???

2017-03-07 Thread Stefan Wollny
Hi there, I have to live up to my obligations - and one of them is to be able to work with M$-Word docs. I used to do this with SoftMaker's office suite, but since Linux-compat is gone I am stuck with LibreOffice which is just a PITA. As at the end of the day I have to deliver results in a form