Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-11 Thread T. Ribbrock
On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 12:11:51AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: and a U5 at work that has been running an app for probably the last ten years with probably less than five hours total downtime (original disk. I'm scared). In that case you were lucky to have a good version of the motherboard...

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-11 Thread Scott Stanley
However, you can add one of these for ~30USD: sili0 at pci3 dev 1 function 0 CMD Technology SiI3124 SATA rev 0x02: apic 4 int 1 (irq 5) scsibus1 at sili0: 4 targets And an external drive(s) Thanks for the tip (yet another device I didn't know existed). The rackmount hard drive enclosures I

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-11 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:09:19 -0700 (MST) Diana Eichert deich...@wrench.com wrote: as an aside. anyone know where you can purchase a Portwell CAM-0100 in NA? diana Diana, You might want to give Portwell (in the US) a call: 1-510-403-3399 jcr

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-10 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2010-11-09, Jeremy Chase jeremych...@gmail.com wrote: I've looked into v20z's, but was turned off by the cost of a replacement power supply. A new one is roughly 200 USD. A spare v20z probably costs less than that Or does the v20z accept a standard 1U power supply? There's no such thing

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-10 Thread Diana Eichert
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2010-11-09, Jeremy Chase jeremych...@gmail.com wrote: I've looked into v20z's, but was turned off by the cost of a replacement power supply. A new one is roughly 200 USD. A spare v20z probably costs less than that refurbed v20z, US$120

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-10 Thread Diana Eichert
I just saw the v20z 4.8 dmesg on ajacoutot@ webpage and noticed he was running i386 instead of 64-bit. Curious if that is just a preference on his part or an issue with running 64-bit O/S on the box. g.day diana

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-10 Thread Landry Breuil
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Diana Eichert deich...@wrench.com wrote: I just saw the v20z 4.8 dmesg on ajacoutot@ webpage and noticed he was running i386 instead of 64-bit. Curious if that is just a preference on his part or an issue with running 64-bit O/S on the box. I'm running amd64

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-10 Thread Diana Eichert
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Landry Breuil wrote: I'm running amd64 on 7 v20z hosts without issues. Landry thanks for the report I'd forgotten these were basically Newisys systems. We had several racks full of the Newisys Opteron servers before they were offically released to the public. Used them

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-10 Thread Felipe Mesquita de Oliveira
Great discussion... I have two deal option: A) Sun V100 - USD$ 350,00 - *Type* Sun UltraSPARC IIi 650.0 MHz - *Cache Per Processor* 512 KB - *Installed Size* 2.0 GB - *Hard Drive* 2.0 x 160.0 GB - Standard - EIDE - 7200.0 rpm B) Sun v20z - USD$ 260,00 Opteron 2x248 2Gb Ram 1x73Gb

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-10 Thread Joe McDonagh
On 11/10/2010 09:09 AM, Diana Eichert wrote: I just saw the v20z 4.8 dmesg on ajacoutot@ webpage and noticed he was running i386 instead of 64-bit. Curious if that is just a preference on his part or an issue with running 64-bit O/S on the box. g.day diana I've had a lot of problems with

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-10 Thread Scott Stanley
Thank you all for humoring this caveman's ponderings. I missed one glaring detail about the V20z; SCSI drives ($$). I've got about 800GB of data to serve (very infrequent access; mostly just to stream One Piece episodes to my TV on the weekends, so I figured form factor could take priority over

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-10 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:45:15 -0500 Joe McDonagh joseph.e.mcdon...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/10/2010 09:09 AM, Diana Eichert wrote: I just saw the v20z 4.8 dmesg on ajacoutot@ webpage and noticed he was running i386 instead of 64-bit. Curious if that is just a preference on his part or an

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-10 Thread Joe McDonagh
On 11/10/2010 12:39 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:45:15 -0500 Joe McDonaghjoseph.e.mcdon...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/10/2010 09:09 AM, Diana Eichert wrote: I just saw the v20z 4.8 dmesg on ajacoutot@ webpage and noticed he was running i386 instead of 64-bit.

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-10 Thread Henning Brauer
* Scott Stanley amorphous.yet@gmail.com [2010-11-09 16:58]: I've heard a lot of praise for Sparc gear on this thread. Do many of you have much experience with Sun's amd gear? avoid at all cost Anyway, I was considering buying a Sun Fire V20z (amd) as a home server, and would like to hear

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-10 Thread Eric S Pulley
On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 23:47 +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: * Scott Stanley amorphous.yet@gmail.com [2010-11-09 16:58]: I've heard a lot of praise for Sparc gear on this thread. Do many of you have much experience with Sun's amd gear? avoid at all cost Anyway, I was considering

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-09 Thread SJP Lists
On 9 November 2010 04:44, Christopher Dukes pak...@pr.neotoma.org wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 14:30 -0400, Joe McDonagh wrote: If your Sun fails -- that's a big IF. It's approaching a possibility of 0 in my experience. If performance isn't an issue and stability is your chief goal, none of

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-09 Thread Scott Stanley
I've heard a lot of praise for Sparc gear on this thread. Do many of you have much experience with Sun's amd gear? When using the I'm only referring to Sparc disclaimer, what's being implied here (because I know nobody's saying that hardware fails because of the CPU type, or am I wrong on that)?

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-09 Thread Amit Kulkarni
We have Sunfire Ultra 40's. I recommended those based on other people buying Sunfire Ultra 20's, V40z, etc in our place. All Ultra 40's run fine after 4 years and its now closer to 5 years. All of them blew their NVidia graphic cards. The other guys have plans to dump them as they follow 5 year

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-09 Thread Eric S Pulley
On Tue, November 9, 2010 8:55 am, Scott Stanley wrote: I've heard a lot of praise for Sparc gear on this thread. Do many of you have much experience with Sun's amd gear? When using the I'm only referring to Sparc disclaimer, what's being implied here (because I know nobody's saying that

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-09 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2010-11-09, Scott Stanley amorphous.yet@gmail.com wrote: I've heard a lot of praise for Sparc gear on this thread. Do many of you have much experience with Sun's amd gear? When using the I'm only referring to Sparc disclaimer, what's being implied here (because I know nobody's saying

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-09 Thread Jeremy Chase
I've looked into v20z's, but was turned off by the cost of a replacement power supply. A new one is roughly 200 USD. Or does the v20z accept a standard 1U power supply? -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote:

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-08 Thread Christopher Dukes
On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 14:30 -0400, Joe McDonagh wrote: If your Sun fails -- that's a big IF. It's approaching a possibility of 0 in my experience. If performance isn't an issue and stability is your chief goal, none of this hardware is as stable as a Sun. Not quite my experience. In 2001

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-08 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Christopher Dukes pak...@pr.neotoma.org wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 14:30 -0400, Joe McDonagh wrote: If your Sun fails -- that's a big IF. It's approaching a possibility of 0 in my experience. If performance isn't an issue and stability is your chief goal,

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-08 Thread Joe McDonagh
On 11/08/2010 12:44 PM, Christopher Dukes wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 14:30 -0400, Joe McDonagh wrote: If your Sun fails-- that's a big IF. It's approaching a possibility of 0 in my experience. If performance isn't an issue and stability is your chief goal, none of this hardware is as

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-08 Thread Felipe Mesquita de Oliveira
Thanks everybodu for the tips... For now, tending to i386/amd64... Found a Sun Fire V20z, 2xOpteron cheaper than the V100... Current candidate for my next server... []'s! On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Joe McDonagh joseph.e.mcdon...@gmail.comwrote: On 11/08/2010 12:44 PM, Christopher Dukes

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-07 Thread Jan Stary
The idea is to build an server with: WWW/Email/Firewall funcionalities, with better stablity as possible. You might want to consider separating the firewall from everything else. What you want from a firewall machine can be (and probably is) very different than what you want from a server.

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-07 Thread Henning Brauer
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-11-07 05:16]: On 11/05/10 14:29, Joe McDonagh wrote: If your Sun fails -- that's a big IF. It's approaching a possibility of 0 in my experience. If performance isn't an issue and stability is your chief goal, none of this hardware is as stable

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-07 Thread Michael Grigoni
On 7 Nov 2010 at 11:32, Henning Brauer wrote: even the really ancient ipxes are pbly still ok. can't be bothered to check tho. Still using several ipxes here, online 24/7, one is the obsd border router.

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-07 Thread Eric S Pulley
--On November 5, 2010 9:47:20 AM -0300 Felipe Mesquita de Oliveira fem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I'm long time far from OpenBSD world, but planning to come back. The plan is to buy an old machine, but, maybe try an new platform, if the investment worths... I have these options, all in the

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-06 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
Hi Felipe, I'd immediately exclude B, as apple hardware is sometimes a nightmare to jack with and, due to lack of proper fresh air inflow, their logic boards (=motherboards) die at a greater range than other vendors' ones. Go on C if you just need bare power and an easy way to find spare parts

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-06 Thread Nick Holland
On 11/05/10 14:29, Joe McDonagh wrote: If your Sun fails -- that's a big IF. It's approaching a possibility of 0 in my experience. If performance isn't an issue and stability is your chief goal, none of this hardware is as stable as a Sun. Good to hear your experience with sun HW is

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-05 Thread LeviaComm Networks
On 05-Nov-10 05:47, Felipe Mesquita de Oliveira wrote: C) Atlhon 64 X2 +5200, 2 GB RAM, 160Gb HD - US$ 320,00 The idea is to build an server with: WWW/Email/Firewall funcionalities, with better stablity as possible. You'll get a lot more performance out of the AMD X2. Plus both i386 and

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-05 Thread Jeremy Chase
I have an emac that I just updated to 4.8 macppc, and it as expected, it works great.B I used to run OpenBSD on an old ultra5, and it also worked great. x86 might be the most common, but the other architectures work very well too. For what you are doing it looks like all these machines will be

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-05 Thread Nick Holland
On 11/05/10 08:46, Felipe Mesquita de Oliveira wrote: Hi All, I'm long time far from OpenBSD world, but planning to come back. The plan is to buy an old machine, but, maybe try an new platform, if the investment worths... I have these options, all in the same price range: A) Sun Fire V100

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-05 Thread Jeremy Chase
I'm not fond of MacPPC machines for the very reason many people love them: the style. B The cute cases are a pain in the butt to deal with I second that. I had to replace the HD in my emac and I literally had to take the motherboard out to get access. -- Jeremy Chase

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-05 Thread Joe McDonagh
If your Sun fails -- that's a big IF. It's approaching a possibility of 0 in my experience. If performance isn't an issue and stability is your chief goal, none of this hardware is as stable as a Sun. On 11/05/2010 01:14 PM, Nick Holland wrote: On 11/05/10 08:46, Felipe Mesquita de Oliveira

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-05 Thread Felipe Mesquita de Oliveira
Back to tha listing =) Thank you everybody for the answers. About the prices, in Brazil we have MercadoLivre (sort of a eBay) Every kind of equipament here is more expensive because of both shipping and fees.. I've translated the prices to US dollar for you to know which choice will be

Re: Architeture Choose

2010-11-05 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Joe McDonagh joseph.e.mcdon...@gmail.com wrote: If your Sun fails -- that's a big IF. It's approaching a possibility of 0 in my experience. If performance isn't an issue and stability is your chief goal, none of this hardware is as stable as a Sun. Agreed