Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-08 Thread Steve Shockley
Henning Brauer wrote: ever since Compaq switched away from the light beige carriers to teh ones with the black handle they haven't changed eitehr. they have different knobs for FC and SCSI to porevent one to be plugged into the other slot; one some of the brackes these knobs are screws you can ad

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-08 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008/02/08 09:03, Woodchuck wrote: > > > Does anyone make a universal hot-plug carrier or do the styles keep > > No. And they change all the time. Dell is disgusting this way. > For their older (~1550) stuff, Dell carriers now cost about the same > as a used 16GB drive. Sun are fairly cons

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-08 Thread Henning Brauer
* Woodchuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-08 15:05]: > > Does anyone make a universal hot-plug carrier or do the styles keep > > No. And they change all the time. Dell is disgusting this way. > For their older (~1550) stuff, Dell carriers now cost about the same > as a used 16GB drive. actually

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-08 Thread Woodchuck
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > If the drives and carriers are inseperable, then when HP decides to stop > selling them, then no new drives can be had. However, if once one has HP probably stopped making them when people now on this list were in short pants. How time flies. > the

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-07 Thread bofh
On Feb 7, 2008 10:00 AM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Heh. I tossed a compaq scsi array too, last year, when I moved. > > Yeah. I know that what I'm looking for, mostly, will be what people > think is worthless and fit for garbage. I'm trying to garbage pick > before that hap

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 10:31:43AM -0600, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > On Wednesday 06 February 2008 22:38, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > >Since this will be for a low-MHz box, it's BIOS probably won't like > >large drives either. That means SCSI. If the boxes aren't great or > >have room or provide co

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-07 Thread Daniel A. Ramaley
On Wednesday 06 February 2008 22:38, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: >Since this will be for a low-MHz box, it's BIOS probably won't like >large drives either. That means SCSI. If the boxes aren't great or >have room or provide cooling for SCSI drives, that makes it external. Could you use a small IDE b

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 01:52:35AM -0500, bofh wrote: > On Feb 6, 2008 11:38 PM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm pretty sure the IBM dual Pentium Pro 200Mhz that I tossed away (2 of > them!) could take hard drives bigger than 2G, and I want to say, bigger than > 10G, so it re

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 07:20:00AM -0500, Nick Holland wrote: > Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:56:41PM -0500, bofh wrote: > >> On Feb 6, 2008 10:45 AM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > Well, for example, I have two boxes where I'm using IDE (the third b

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-07 Thread Nick Holland
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:56:41PM -0500, bofh wrote: >> On Feb 6, 2008 10:45 AM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > >> > I don't see external multi-disk IDE boxes. Besides, PATA is limited to >> > something like 18" from controller to drive. Even with

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-06 Thread bofh
On Feb 6, 2008 11:38 PM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, for example, I have two boxes where I'm using IDE (the third box > is my Athlon with SATA drives). One won't boot (pass POST) if the drive > is over 1.1 GB, the other won't boot (pass POST) if the drive is over 9 > GB. >

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:56:41PM -0500, bofh wrote: > On Feb 6, 2008 10:45 AM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I don't see external multi-disk IDE boxes. Besides, PATA is limited to > > something like 18" from controller to drive. Even with a PCI > > controller, there's n

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-06 Thread bofh
On Feb 6, 2008 10:45 AM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't see external multi-disk IDE boxes. Besides, PATA is limited to > something like 18" from controller to drive. Even with a PCI > controller, there's not much distance. Also PATA cables aren't > shielded. Why not j

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 09:54:05PM -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: > Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > >What about a Compaq Proliant 2500R on eBay for $300? > > max 1 GB ram, 1 PCI bus over 6 slots, dual Pentium Pro 166 MHz > > 4 bays + 2 1/2 height bays (for media) + CDROM and floppy > > A 2500R for

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-06 Thread Steve Shockley
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: What about a Compaq Proliant 2500R on eBay for $300? max 1 GB ram, 1 PCI bus over 6 slots, dual Pentium Pro 166 MHz 4 bays + 2 1/2 height bays (for media) + CDROM and floppy A 2500R for $300? I hope that's $25 plus $275 shipping. Not a bad machine, alth

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 06:48:54AM +0100, ropers wrote: > On 06/02/2008, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm wondering how scsi external arrays work in OpenBSD. This is in > > relation to my low-MHz box search. Sata drives have too fast a clock > > rate so it will be scsi. > > Wh

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 07:12:55AM -0500, Nick Holland wrote: > Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > I'm wondering how scsi external arrays work in OpenBSD. This is in > > relation to my low-MHz box search. Sata drives have too fast a clock > > rate so it will be scsi. > > Are you speculating, or have yo

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-06 Thread Patrick Cummings
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:12:55 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: misc@openbsd.org> Subject: Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures> > Not sure how much storage you are after here, but I'm not sure I believe> that ten 9G disks are "better" for your quest

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-06 Thread Nick Holland
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > I'm wondering how scsi external arrays work in OpenBSD. This is in > relation to my low-MHz box search. Sata drives have too fast a clock > rate so it will be scsi. Are you speculating, or have you actually tested the results here? A new 300G SATA vs. an old 2G SCSI? Y

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-05 Thread ropers
On 06/02/2008, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm wondering how scsi external arrays work in OpenBSD. This is in > relation to my low-MHz box search. Sata drives have too fast a clock > rate so it will be scsi. Why not conventional IDE (aka (P)ATA)? Isn't that much more available