Re: How do I get the man page for a package I haven't installed yet?

Hi Marc, Marc Espie wrote on Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:43:49PM +0200: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:20:35PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> Ottavio Caruso wrote: >>> Unless I've got it all wrong, will only >>> display man pages for programs and commands in base. Is there a

Re: Why does OpenBSD still include Perl in its base installation?

Hi David, Dawid Czelu?niak wrote on Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:19:23PM +0200: > I am a huge fan of minimal and custom installations > as I mostly use OpenBSD to host simple HTTP servers. That's perfectly fine. These days, we consider the "minimal installation" the base file sets, including xbase.

Re: OpenBSD sysupgrade rocks

Hi Chris, Chris Bennett wrote on Wed, May 20, 2020 at 02:07:27PM -0400: > Do the work, a WIP is OK and submit a diff. Not a bad idea, put your fingers where your mouth is! > Please don't ask for features, once again. > Really, I mean it. Don't ask for features! I disagree. About one third of

Re: Why isn't src included with OpenBSD? (documentation)

Hi Andras, Andras Farkas wrote on Tue, May 19, 2020 at 05:26:24PM -0400: > On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 2:59 PM Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Can somebody work through the tutorial and confirm that everything >> still works as described with our -current vi(1)? It is too >> wordy

Re: Why isn't src included with OpenBSD? (documentation)

Hi Andras, Andras Farkas wrote on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 01:07:36PM -0400: > Lots of documentation is unavailable outside of the /usr/src tree. It isn't "lots", it's only a tiny number of documents. > that the answers could be found in > Fsck_ffs - The UNIX File System Check Program > This is per

Re: [www] list of associated projects: adding rpki-client

Hi Alex, Alex Naumov wrote on Wed, May 13, 2020 at 01:10:47PM +0200: > since rpki-client has its own home page like other "associated projects", > it makes sense to add a new link. Committed with a tweak; i put it next to OpenBGPD. Thanks for the suggestion, Ingo > Index: index.html > =

Re: TOFU/cert pinning in libtls

Hi Lucas, Lucas wrote on Sat, May 09, 2020 at 06:18:50PM +: > I experimented with cert FP pinning in the past, too. tls_peer_cert_hash > is probably what you're looking for. Found it looking at > /usr/include/tls.h. Then tried to find it referenced in other manpages, > > oolong$ man -k Xr=tl

Re: one-character expansion in shell

Hi Philipp, Philipp Buehler wrote on Wed, May 06, 2020 at 04:03:41PM +0200: > Am 06.05.2020 15:54 schrieb Ingo Schwarze: >> Your misunderstandiing is that file names consist of characters. >> They do not. They consist of bytes, and to match two bytes, >> you need two quest

Re: support

Hi, Chris Petrik wrote on Wed, May 06, 2020 at 11:57:30AM -0500: > 0 > C USA > P Mississippi > T Gulfport > Z 39501 > O Petrik Consulting > I Chris Petrik > A 1610 Thornton, Ave > M ch...@cpettington.com > U http://www.cpettington.com/ > B 2282650091 > X > N BSD based consulting in the Mississipp

Re: one-character expansion in shell

Hi Rudolf, Rudolf Sykora wrote on Wed, May 06, 2020 at 03:25:09PM +0200: > is this an expected behaviour? Yes, that is expected behaviour. > odin$ ls v?k* > ls: v?k*: No such file or directory > odin$ ls v??k* [ some file names containing two-byte UTF-8 sequences ] > odin$ locale The locale

Re: pkg_add -u: no such dir

Hi, Groot wrote on Tue, May 05, 2020 at 04:58:34PM +0530: > I tried updating all applications, only to be greeted with > the following message. You don't say so explicitly, but let's assume you upgraded to the latest snapshot. While that is not the final 6.7 release yet, the operating system

Re: /bin/sh echo \n

Hi, Martijn van Duren wrote on Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:52:38PM +0200: > On 4/26/20 12:27 PM, Thomas de Grivel wrote: >> Second I don't see this feature described neither in man sh nor man >> ksh so is it a known behaviour of ksh ? > from echo(1): > echo does not support any of the backslash char

Re: More than 16 partitions

Hi Strahil, Strahil Nikolov wrote on Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 11:16:41PM +0300: > And who the hell needs more than 16 partitions ? Me, and i'm quite sure many do. It's certainly not a good idea to combine any partitions that are separate in a default install because there are good reasons for all t

Re: timegm()

Hi Todd, Todd C. Miller wrote on Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 09:21:28PM -0600: > On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 04:21:42 +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Calling timelocal(3) deprecated makes sense to me because it is >> nothing but a trivial wrapper around mktime(3), and the latter >> i

Re: timegm()

Hi, Theo de Raadt wrote on Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:11:56AM -0600: > William Ahern wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 02:01:10PM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: >>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 10:51:54AM +, Roderick wrote: Acording to the man page: "timegm() is a deprecated interface that co

Re: List a package's dependencies

Hi Marc, Marc Espie wrote on Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 03:05:36PM +0200: > Actually, not having recursive depends easily available on an installed > package base is somewhat tedu-ish. Heh. :-) > Most specifically, it's not very useful for anything in common usage. What > would you want it for ?..

Re: List a package's dependencies

Hi Chris, Chris Rawnsley wrote on Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 01:34:28PM +0100: > I am looking for a way to show a package's dependencies. As far as i know, the normal ways to do that are: # direct run dependencies only cd /usr/ports/mail/mutt; make run-depends-list cd /usr/ports/mail/mutt; make

Re: Does Intel driver supports Intel g31?

Hi, infoomatic wrote on Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 05:41:44PM +0200: > I suggest you read on the documentation instead of throwing one-line > questions to the mailing list. > > The documentation is excellent, just look for the information you need. > > https://man.openbsd.org/ So far, so good. > ht

Re: Does Intel driver supports 3d acceleration?

Hi Otto, Otto Moerbeek wrote on Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:16:40PM +0200: > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 03:52:34PM +0600, Nikita Stepanov wrote: >> Does Intel driver supports 3d acceleration? > What prevents you from looking up the man page and reading it? Lazyness, obviously. All the more so as i a

Re: Nvidia driver for OpenBSD?

Hi, Christopher Turkel wrote on Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 02:49:56PM -0400: > On Friday, April 10, 2020, Nikita Stepanov wrote: >> Subject: Nvidia driver for OpenBSD? > None exist or are likely to ever exist. The question from the original poster was so imprecise and lazy that no one else bothered t

Re: openbsd.org - certain https URLs downgraded to http in redirection

Hi Constantine, Constantine A. Murenin wrote on Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 01:24:30PM -0500: > What you say makes no sense I wouldn't go that far; i think Aham has a point, even though it certainly isn't a critical nor an urgent problem. > for one simple reason: man.cgi (and cvsweb) moved out of www.

Re: Contributing to spamd

Hi Aisha, Aisha Tammy wrote on Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 08:54:22AM -0400: > I have been using spamd for quite a while and have been loving it. > I've seen that spamd currently only supports ipv4 and have been > wondering if it was possible to extend it to ipv6. I know that workforce > is always lim

Re: reviewing what is available

Hi Luke, Luke A. Call wrote on Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 01:36:49PM -0600: > On 04-01 12:47, Chris Bennett wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 07:01:15AM -0600, Diana Eichert wrote: >>> have you considered looking at native OpenBSD tools? >>> https://man.openbsd.org/egre.4 >> Wow! I had no idea about t

Re: How to test for FORTIFY_SOURCE?

Hi Luke, Luke A. Call wrote on Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:54:10PM -0600: > On 03-18 19:22, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Theo de Raadt wrote: >>> Ingo -- I think using man.openbsd.org as a "testbed for all possible >>> man page hierarchies" incorrect. >> It wa

Re: groups new

Hi Jan, Jan Prunk wrote on Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 06:08:26PM +0100: > 0 > C Slovenia > P SI > T Ljubljana > F Irregular > O BSD User Group Slovenia > I Jan Prunk > M b...@groups.io > U https://bsdug.wordpress.com > N *BSD I suggest you resubmit when a few meetings have taken place. So far, i see n

Re: How to test for FORTIFY_SOURCE?

Hi, Theo de Raadt wrote on Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:44:03PM -0600: > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Jeffrey Walton wrote on Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:55:53AM -0400: >>> I assumed OpenBSD and NetBSD were collaborating and shared code >>> and docs in some places. >>

Re: How to test for FORTIFY_SOURCE?

Hi Jeffrey, Jeffrey Walton wrote on Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:55:53AM -0400: > I assumed OpenBSD and NetBSD were collaborating and shared code and > docs in some places. To a limited extent, that is true. For example, NetBSD includes mandoc(1) which is predominantly developed on OpenBSD while Ope

Re: How to test for FORTIFY_SOURCE?

Hi Theo, Theo de Raadt wrote on Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 09:06:25AM -0600: > Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> What is the purpose of supplying man pages for the wrong operating >> system? The purpose is to make it simpler to compare how different systems work without having to jump back and forth among dif

Re: Start point to learn OpenBSD programming

Hi Martijn, Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 09:24:26PM +0100: > On 3/16/20 9:22 AM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 08:52:54AM +0100: >>> On 3/16/20 8:23 AM, Martin wrote: >>> If you want reading materia

Re: Start point to learn OpenBSD programming

Hi Martijn, Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 08:52:54AM +0100: > On 3/16/20 8:23 AM, Martin wrote: >> The best way for beginner to start with OpenbBSD programming? > This belongs on misc, so moving it there. > > My usual routine (and probably of a lot of other OpenBSD developers)

Re: Confusing problem with CVS

Hi Chris, Chris Bennett wrote on Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 08:23:22PM -0400: > Thanks, that was helpful. > I did not think of using info cvs. I do use info at times, > just not that often. That is quite understandable. With BSD systems in general, it is both the normal case and also our goal that th

Re: Confusing problem with CVS

Hi Chris, Chris Bennett wrote on Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 04:47:09PM -0400: > I am running -current. > > On one server, src was empty. So I did a cvs checkout. > On another server, src had older files. So I did a cvs up. > > Afterwards, inttypes.h had one size on the checkout, another size on the >

Re: Wikidata:Property proposal

Hi, Christophe Poncy wrote on Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 11:33:23PM +0100: > There is two property proposals to review on Wikidata, one related to > NetBSD and the other to OpenBSD. > > Please see: > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/OpenBSD_port > > Any comments are very welco

Re: man to render pure text? (or a pipe in vi macros ?)

Hi Marc, Marc Chantreux wrote on Tue, Mar 03, 2020 at 10:05:41AM +0100: > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> :map K yw:E /tmp/vi.keyword.$$p!!xargs man >> >> i get: >> >> Error detected while processing function >> line 30: >> E132: Function call

Re: man to render pure text? (or a pipe in vi macros ?)

Hi Marc, Marc Chantreux wrote on Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 07:07:37PM +0100: > On Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 12:06:42PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: >> Alternatively, have you tried using any web searches on this topic? > i have to admit i try to avoid the web for many reasons so i try to > stick to manpages,

Re: man to render pure text? (or a pipe in vi macros ?)

RCS file: /cvs/src/usr.bin/mandoc/manconf.h,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -p -r1.7 manconf.h --- manconf.h 22 Nov 2018 11:30:15 - 1.7 +++ manconf.h 2 Mar 2020 17:06:54 - @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ /* $OpenBSD: manconf.h,v 1.7 2018/11/22 11:30:15 schwarze Exp $ */ /* - * Copyright (c) 2011, 2015,

Re: Web documentation available offline by default?

Hi Ottavio, Ottavio Caruso wrote on Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 11:27:30AM +: > Warning: beginner here. That's OK, as long as you don't feel offended when not every idea is instantly acted on. ;-) (Actually, that applies to experienced users as well - and even to developers.) > What about having

Re: Web documentation available offline by default?

Hi Frank, Frank Beuth wrote on Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 04:22:27AM +: > Is the web documentation (FAQ etc) included in the base system by > default anywhere, No it isn't. I offered some years ago to translate the FAQ from HTML to mdoc(7) and to include it in /usr/share/man/faq/ such that it wo

Re: setxkbmap cannot completely set compose key

Hi, Xianwen Chen wrote on Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 10:37:58AM +: > I run OpenBSD 6.6 amd64. I'm trying to reproduce on OpenBSD-current. > The window manager is fvwm I'm using that, too. > with stock configuration. Well, my configuration is much less bloated than the default (125 rather than

Re: Unable to kill a python process

Hi, Xianwen Chen wrote on Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 09:31:45PM +: > Maurice wrote: >> you could try kill -1 8926 > Thank you. I just tried it. It did not kill the process. Small wonder, you already already dropped a nuke on it (-9 = -KILL) and even that didn't make the zombie go away. You certa

Re: Unable to kill a python process

Hi, Xianwen Chen wrote on Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 08:10:17PM +: > I am not able to kill a python process. > $ pgrep python > showed a PID of 8926 > However, I am not able to kill the process. > $ kill -9 8926 > # kill -9 8926 > Running as root did not help. Sounds like a zombie. Seriously, i'm

Re: FreeBSD daemon(8)-like command for OpenBSD

Hi Patrick, Patrick Kristiansen wrote on Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 10:17:35AM +0100: > Trying to learn some valuable lessons from our interaction, could you > give some examples of what you mean by 'simpler approach' in this > context? Three examples: https://learnbchs.org/ https://man.openbsd.

Re: FreeBSD daemon(8)-like command for OpenBSD

Hi Andrew, Andrew Easton wrote on Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:39:45AM +0100: > In the spirit of not demanding to much time from my contemporaries I > am especially greatful for pointers to conceptual documentation This is the closest thing, i guess: https://www.openbsd.org/events.html In general

Re: FreeBSD daemon(8)-like command for OpenBSD

Hi Patrick, Patrick Kristiansen wrote on Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:23:52PM +0100: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, at 21:10, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Patrick Kristiansen wrote on Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 09:05:11PM +0100: >>> The process I need to run is written in Clojure and thus runs on th

Re: FreeBSD daemon(8)-like command for OpenBSD

Hi Patrick, Patrick Kristiansen wrote on Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 09:05:11PM +0100: > The process I need to run is written in Clojure and thus runs on the > Java Virtual Machine. Do you have any suggestions on how to best go > about making it "daemon-like"? No, i'm sorry i have no advice on that.

Re: FreeBSD daemon(8)-like command for OpenBSD

Hi Patrick, Patrick Kristiansen wrote on Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 09:29:20AM +0100: > But another use for daemon(8) is for its ability to detach the child > process from the controlling terminal and furthermore redirect its > stdout/stderr to syslog. Is there some mechanism to do that from the > shel

Re: FreeBSD daemon(8)-like command for OpenBSD

Hi Patrick, Patrick Kristiansen wrote on Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 08:13:28PM +0100: > Is there something like the FreeBSD daemon(8) command for OpenBSD, > which can run a process in the background and restart it if it > crashes? Absolutely not, we are strongly convinced this is an utterly stupid ide

Re: pkg_info(1) man page possible error

Hi Andrew, Andrew Easton wrote on Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:17:20PM +0100: > I am running OpenBSD in a virtualbox because I am taking a deeper look > into it. > > I was looking for a list of ports packages Depending what you really need, try $ doas pkg_add portslist $ less /usr/local/share/p

Re: less --no-init and multiline $PS1

Hi, Richard Ulmer wrote on Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 12:44:37PM +0100: > when using a $PS1, which has more than one line, I consider multi-line $PS1 bloat that should not be supported, in particular not when it complicates basic userland programs or requires additions to their user interfaces. On th

Re: Question about "Game of Trees"

Hi David, Raymond, David wrote on Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 05:37:55PM -0700: > Quick question: Can got (Game of Trees) be used on an existing git > repository or does it require a fresh start? Yes, that is among the chief design goals. Quoting from http://gameoftrees.org/ : It will always remain

Re: Awaiting a diff

Hi, Consus wrote on Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:52:44PM +0300: > On 20:06 Thu 09 Jan, Marc Espie wrote: >> It's been that way for ages. But no-one volunteered >> to work on this. > Anyone even knows about this? Aside from OpenBSD developers (who > have their plates full already) how an average perso

Re: Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

Hi Janne, Janne Johansson wrote on Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 09:49:43AM +0100: > Den tors 9 jan. 2020 kl 02:11 skrev Ingo Schwarze : >> Are you aware that even Bob Beck@ is seriously scared of some >> parts of our file system code, and of touching some parts of it? >> Yes, thi

Re: Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

Hi Stuart, Stuart Longland wrote on Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 09:07:38AM +1000: > Somebody wrote: >> - If we could clean-room implement a BSD-licensed >> EXT3/EXT4/BTRFS/XFS/JFS/whatever, following style(8), would there be >> interest in supporting that in OpenBSD? > I'm hoping it will be more than o

Re: Openrsync manpage - EXAMPLES and SEE ALSO

Hello Aham, Aham Brahmasmi wrote on Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 02:27:59PM +0100: > I was under the (now incorrect) impression that the rsync{d}.5 links > were related to configuration files for rsync{d}, hence my query. I now > understand that they are rsync protocol descriptions. No one provided an o

Re: Going back to release from current installation p

Hi, n...@web.de wrote on Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 08:40:40PM +0100: > thanks for your answers. There is not really such big of a problem > with going back to -current. Usually, downgrading an OpenBSD installation simply doesn't work at all. As you saw, it typically breaks in one way or another, so

Re: Going back to release from current installation p

Hi, n...@web.de wrote on Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 10:41:47AM +0100: > I have done the mistake to go back to release from current. > I thought I'd just reinstall installed packages. > But it doesn't work that way. > I do receive error messages like the following for rspamd: > > pkg_add: Unknown eleme

mdoc(7) syntax and semantics, was: axe(4) ...

Hi, zeurk...@volny.cz wrote on Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 08:48:36AM +0100: > "Ingo Schwarze" wrote: >> The arguments of .Vt almost never need quoting, not even if there >> are other macros before or after it on the same input line. > *shrugs* To me, there is a real diff

Re: axe(4) success with 'Delock Gigabit USB 2.0 Ethernet Adapter, "ASIX chipset"' (w/ manual patch)

Hi, just FYI: zeurk...@volny.cz wrote on Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 08:10:10PM +0100: > jmc@ wrote: >> Dq produces "", so use either Dq or "". > Medoes it for consistency with cases like: > > .Vt "struct blaat" Va scaahp Ns Ic ";" > > where the quotes are part of the invocation syntax. Not really.

Re: doas(1) adjustable timeout length

Hi, Hiltjo Posthuma wrote on Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 12:40:14AM +0100: > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 02:03:19PM -0700, andrej wrote: >> On the note of accurate documentation; how about adding the actually >> defined timeout for persist rather than the "some time"? > Sometimes there is a reason implemen

Re: Readv and writev failing across ethernet

Hi Theo, Theo de Raadt wrote on Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:11:41AM -0700: > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> +.Pp >> +The driver of the device that is being read from >> +may return additional errors. >> +Such device-specific errors may be documented >> +in the section

Re: Readv and writev failing across ethernet

Hi, Theo de Raadt wrote on Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 05:34:45PM -0700: > Philip Guenther wrote: >> Somebody wrote: >>> The man pages for readv and writev don't document the possibility of >>> such errors. >> IMO, weird errnos from devices should be documented in the manpage for the >> device. Consi

Re: What do you use to generate invoices on OpenBSD?

Hi Mikolaj, Mikolaj Kucharski wrote on Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 11:57:07PM +: > Do you generate invoices on OpenBSD? Yes. > What do you recommend? If you have > experience in more than one app, why did you chose one over the other? > If you use something open-source on other OS, let me know as

Re: Openrsync manpage - EXAMPLES and SEE ALSO

Namaste Aham, Aham Brahmasmi wrote on Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 04:55:07PM +0100: > On the openrsync manpage [1], > [1] - https://man.openbsd.org/openrsync > 1) In the EXAMPLES section, the examples use "rsync". > ... > % rsync -t ../src/bar ../src/baz host:dest > ... > The SYNOPSIS section has the in

Re: groups update

Hello, please ignore this submission. The content is wrong: no such group exists in Qazvin, and the email address given on "M" line bounces. Besides, the email is a forgery and did not originate from the person given in the From: header. Yours, Ingo Faraz Vahedi wrote on Sun, Dec 08, 2019 a

Re: Using unveil(2) to block the entire file system

Hi Chris, i just committed the patch shown below; thanks for bringing up the point. Yours, Ingo CVSROOT:/cvs Module name:src Changes by: schwa...@cvs.openbsd.org2019/12/05 17:14:08 Modified files: lib/libc/sys : unveil.2 Log message: Explicitly say that *

Re: Using unveil(2) to block the entire file system

Hi, i like the tweak; OK to commit? While it is reasonable to expect this behaviour without the "zero or more", i see how the misunderstanding "one or more" can arise: In many situations, to grant no permissions on a given path, it is sufficient to not mention it in unveil(2) at all, so it may no

Re: Tools for writers

Hi Marc, Marc Chantreux wrote on Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 08:42:28AM +0100: > let me ruin your day: are you aware of scdoc? > https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/scdoc Yes, i think i tripped over it before, once. > i really appreciated reading about you opinion. thank you. I think the basic idea is a

Re: Tools for writers

Hi Steve, Steve Litt wrote on Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 06:38:52PM -0500: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:38:03 +0100 > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Andrew wrote on Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 12:56:58PM +: >> [ Pandoc ] >>> is one of the most useful tools I have ever used. If you

Re: Tools for writers

Hi, Martijn van Duren wrote on Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 06:40:51AM +0100: > On 11/6/19 12:07 AM, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 23:12:52 +0100 >>> https://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan18-mandoc.pdf >> If the preceding presentation was authored in mdoc(7), could you please >> post the mdoc

Re: Tools for writers

Marc Chantreux wrote on Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 07:56:03PM +0100: > can you explain us what's so wrong with keeping > simple things simple the way markdown allows us? https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20170304230520 The following presentation also contains a few related remarks on pages 3

Re: Tools for writers

Hi, Andrew wrote on Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 12:56:58PM +: [ Pandoc ] > is one of the most useful tools I have ever used. If you are writing > any sort of documentation then I *highly* recommend checking it out I strongly oppose that point. There is no need at all to bother with pandoc when y

Re: support new

To quote my earlier answer: > Please go away. > > If somebody needs half a dozen tries before they manage to send an > email, that person is not qualified to help others with computers. I don't think we should add a link from the OpenBSD website to your company. ibrahim topbasi wrote on Mon, No

Re: Tools for writers

Hello, Xianwen Chen wrote on Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 04:16:43PM +0100: > I am interested in giving _groff_ and _gpresent_ a try. I am seasoned > LaTeX user. Is there a tutorial that you would recommend to someone like > me? No, i'm not aware of tutorials (but i generally don't use tutorials, so may

Re: Tools for writers

Hi Jordan, Jordan Geoghegan wrote on Sat, Nov 02, 2019 at 05:44:23PM -0700: > I've thought about learning latex and mandoc and all the fancy > tools, but I've just never gotten around to it. Actually, both mandoc(1) and mdoc(7) are off-topic in this thread. You cannot use either for writing a b

Re: makewhatis after patch ber

Hi Stephane, > After launched makewhatis, the result: > $ makewhatis > /usr/share/man//mandoc.db: Data changed, but cannot replace database > > What to do? You need to run makewhatis(8) as root because relevant files and directories typically have these permissions: $ cd /usr/share/man; ls -

Re: remaining references to xman (RIP)

Hi Alfred, Alfred Morgan wrote on Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 11:49:35PM -0700: > Here are some leftover references to xman > I found after the upgrade to 6.6. [...] > /usr/X11R6/man/man1/appres.1: > /usr/X11R6/man/man1/editres.1: > /usr/X11R6/man/man1/fvwm.1: > /usr/X11R6/man/man1/xmore.1: We'll do no

Re: BACK TO BASICS

Hi Andrew, andrew fabbro wrote on Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 05:17:28PM -0700: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:09 AM wrote: >> Deep down, I'm actually so saddened to see the original, and still >> performing, UNIX has become so divided first splitting into three >> *BSD communities, and then further dilu

Re: BACK TO BASICS

Theo de Raadt wrote on Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 10:08:22AM -0600: > openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote: [...] >> Deep down, I'm actually so saddened to see the original, and still >> performing, UNIX has become so divided first splitting into three >> *BSD communities, and then further diluted efforts with GN

Re: groups new

Hi, Kihaguru Gathura wrote on Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 09:40:03PM +0300: > 0 > C Kenya > P > T Nairobi > F irregular > O OpenBSD Kenya > I Kihaguru Njenga Gathura > M kihaguru.gath...@engineer.com > U > N OpenBSD I know that we are currently listing a couple of "groups" of this kind, but i'm not con

Re: man.openbsd.org/table.5

Hi Edgar, Edgar Pettijohn wrote on Sun, Sep 08, 2019 at 03:00:57PM -0500: > Not sure if its just me or not, but I was looking at the table(5) > manual online and sections look odd. > Particularly `Mailaddr tables' and `Addrname tables'. Yes, that was indeed badly misformatted: In blocks, in som

Re: documentation for building a new package?

Hi, Antal Ispanovity wrote on Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 11:39:41AM +0200: > 2019-09-10 11:30 GMT+02:00, Mayuresh Kathe : >> what do i need to read regarding steps and procedure >> for building a new package and having it included in >> the openbsd repository? > If it is intended to be in ports: > htt

Re: support new

Please go away. If somebody needs half a dozen tries before they manage to send an email, that person is not qualified to help others with computers. Rakort Information Technologies wrote on Mon, Sep 02, 2019 at 04:31:19PM +0300: > 0 > C Turkey > P Ankara > T Cankaya > Z 06510 > O Rakort Inform

Re: support new

h language only, it doesn't appear to even mention OpenBSD, so i think this request ought to be disregarded. Yours, Ingo -- Ingo Schwarze http://www.openbsd.org/ http://mandoc.bsd.lv/

Re: can't find libpcap

Hi, shadrock uhuru wrote on Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 01:01:08PM +0100: > is there a package for pcap or libpcap > or do i have to download the source and compile to answer such questions, use pkg_locate(1). # pkg_add pkglocatedb $ man pkg_locate $ pkg_locate libpcap.so This may also provi

Re: Display current kernel date?

Hi Tor, Tor Houghton wrote on Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 12:10:21PM +0200: > My /bsd contains the following: > > OpenBSD 6.5 (GENERIC) #2: Tue Jul 23 23:21:38 CEST 2019 > > I _think_ this means that the kernel has been built/relinked twice, with > the date when this was done. (Please do correct me if

Re: linux hacked...

Hi, lgcmn wrote on Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 11:05:01AM -0500: > so my question is, do you feel that openbsd will be negatively > affected by any bad coding / scripts that have been installed > on the machine as Linux seems to have been... If the exploitable bug that got your machine owned is contain

Re: Need to clean some space on /usr

Hi Jay, Jay Hart wrote on Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 08:55:33PM -0400: > Currently have 6.5 stable installed on my router/firewal. > > My /usr partition is a bit on the "too loaded" side, space wise. > Its a 2GB partition with 1.8GB being used (175MB being reported as free). > I also have the followin

Re: SCM

Hi, Aaron Mason wrote on Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 11:21:37AM +1000: > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 3:25 AM Nathan Hartman wrote: >> 9. Apache license. Not BSD but much closer than any GPL revision. > Yeah, hard pass. The Apache license is full of encumbering legalese. > They stopped including Apache in

Re: makewhatis for man page changes

Hi, Jungle Boogie wrote on Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 11:14:33AM -0700: > $ MANPATH=/usr/local/share/man: > $ echo $MANPATH > /usr/local/share/man: > > $ man nmap > man: No entry for nmap in the manual. Oh well, $ export MANPATH is missing here. Sorry for not noticing th

Re: makewhatis for man page changes

Hi, Paco Esteban wrote on Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 06:45:45PM +0200: > On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, Jungle Boogie wrote: >> Turns out I don't know everything and I need to read man pages from >> time-to-time. I'm sure you're like me and also want to consult the >> man pages. Absolutely. Even though i tend

Re: SCM

Hi Nathan, Nathan Hartman wrote on Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 04:25:14PM -0400: > I always assumed that the OpenBSD devs have audited the heck > out of CVS for security issues While many parts of the tree received auditing - and some even get re-autited - that doesn't mean that *all* parts of the tree

Re: SCM

Avstin Kim wrote on Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:58:50AM -0400: > CVS for source code management. That's kind of a frequently asked question. Some of us (including myself) actually prefer CVS over git for tasks where it is suffiecient because KISS. Other developers prefer git for various reasons. >

Re: OpenBSD Project

Hi Theo, Theo de Raadt wrote on Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 02:00:20PM -0600: > Nice rant. Now get back to work. :) As you wish, Your Grace. =;c) Ingo Log Message: --- Slowly start implementing tagging support for man(7) pages, even though it is obvious that this can never become as goo

Re: OpenBSD Project

Hi Ibsen, Ibsen S Ripsbusker wrote on Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 05:51:21PM +: > benevolent dictatorship I'm aware you did not call OpenBSD a "benevolent dictatorship", and i totally see how the term can be used both to shut down or to incite controversy. Yet, i heard the term used several times

Re: OpenBSD Project

Hi Theo, a user just asked a question on misc@ that could have been answered by the following addition to the web site. I'm not convinced that going into more detail makes sense, precisely because we do not want bylaws. OK? Ingo Index: goals.html =

Re: OpenBSD Project

Hi, Avstin Kim wrote: > My question is, how is the OpenBSD Project governance structured; There is no formal structure and no "governance". In day to day business, code owners in parts of the system decide what is done (for example, espie@ in pkg_add(1), myself in mandoc(1), claudio@ in OpenBGP

Re: Support Update

Hi, Kihaguru Gathura wrote on Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:50:22PM +0300: > 0 > C Kenya > P > T Nairobi > Z P.O. Box 30164-00100 > O Data Store Kenya > I Kihaguru Njenga Gathura > A Bishops Road > M i...@pqscript.com > U > B +254 7 0697 0697 > X > N OpenBSD consulting. Speciality in web applications

Re: ed(1) man page doesn't mention use of single / and ?

Hi Ian, ropers wrote on Sun, Jul 07, 2019 at 12:28:37AM +0200: > And no, don't ask me how much of my weekend I wasted figuring out how > to suppress mandoc's insistence upon two spaces after the 'i.e.' just > because there's a period at the end of a line. Ouch, sorry about that. Actually, it's

Re: ed(1) man page doesn't mention use of single / and ?

Hi, mazoc...@disroot.org wrote on Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 07:21:53AM +0300: > I am not good at explaining something shortly and clearly to fit into > proper documentation, so I'll just describe my experience here. Well, sending patches - even such patches as may not be perfect yet but require some

Re: bc(1) bug?

Hi Walter, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote on Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 03:10:13PM +0200: > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 11:09:40PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote on Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 09:57:11PM +0200: >>> Lately I noticed that using bc(1) interacti

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