Open-source security processor

[Richard Thornton]

Apologies, this might be a little bit OT but I was thinking of this and I
thought about the wonderful folks at OpenBSD.

Say you had the guts of an x86_64 desktop running Windows on the bench and
another computer running OpenBSD right next to it, is there some mechanism
available that could allow you to integrity scan the NVMe drive (and also
the firmware but that's probably an easier problem solved with something
like SPI) of the powered-off x86_64 with the OpenBSD box, like a hardware
device that allows both OpenBSD and the laptop physical hardware level
access to the same NVMe, or would you have the NVMe in OpenBSD, scan it and
then somehow "hand over" the NVMe to Windows?

The NVMe drive can't be physically touched, not just swapped from board to
board, I'm thinking of this from a more "embedded" viewpoint.

Or am I thinking about an external CPU validating an OS install in
completely the wrong way?

Thanks
Richard

Re: OpenBSD Puffy Stickers

[Richard Thornton]

I don't like stickers on my computers.  I don't do bumper stickers either.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:29 PM, Theo de Raadt  wrote:

> > My goal is not to rip off anyone, but to help the project.
>
> You cannot help the project by begging on a mailing list that
> I partake in business.
>
> Get over yourself Jay.
>
>

Re: Installer overwrites partition table

[Richard Thornton]

‎It's true that OpenBSD works wonderfully under VMware, especially under a
Linux host.   It's so good in fact, I see no logical reason to use OpenBSD
any other‎ way because it frees me from driver & firmware he'll; it's true
that native performance is probably better, but now I can use OpenBSD as I
wish, and still have time for other work.
‎
.
  Original Message  
From: Kamil Cholewiński
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 7:43 AM
To: Bertram Scharpf; misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: Installer overwrites partition table

On Wed, 24 Aug 2016, Bertram Scharpf  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> first of all, I am an experienced OS installer and I did a
> heck of partitioning in my life. Now I had some unused disk
> space and I found it a good idea to install OpenBSD.
>
> The installers partitioning tool didn't offer me a variant
> that keeps my existing partitions. Therefore I immediately
> stopped it. But yet it was too late. The partition table was
> overwritten.
>
> The damage is not hard for me because I tersely do backups.
> But this behaviour is impudent. This blowfish is not a safe
> operating system, it rather is a poorly prepared fugu.
>
> Bertram
>
>
> --
> Bertram Scharpf
> Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany
> http://www.bertram-scharpf.de

- You have unused disk space. Rather than spinning up a VM to play in,
you've instead opted for letting a new OS, that you have no experience
with, access and modify the raw disk bits.

- You've tried installing the aforementioned new and unknown OS, on a
disk that had other important data, that was already governed by
another OS.

To me, that doesn't sound like what an experienced user would do.

<3,K.

Lenovo B590

[Richard Thornton]

I was able to easily install OpenBSD 5.9 RELEASE amd64 to this circa 2011
Lenovo laptop with core i3, Intel Graphics, 8GB of memory, 320GB HD;
Unfortunately the Broadcom wireless will not work, but the ethernet works,
trying to understand how to add a usb wireless to it.  Sound works, and
resume works.  FreeBSD will not even boot on this machine, and NetBSD is
needlessly complicated.  I turned off secure-boot, etc, and boot legacy.

Attached is the dmesg.

Thanks,

Richard
OpenBSD 5.9 (RAMDISK_CD) #1720: Fri Feb 26 01:25:23 MST 2016
dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/RAMDISK_CD
real mem = 8130351104 (7753MB)
avail mem = 7882227712 (7517MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.7 @ 0xdae3a000 (61 entries)
bios0: vendor LENOVO version "H5ET69WW (1.12 )" date 11/15/2012
bios0: LENOVO 20208
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SLIC SSDT ASF! HPET APIC MCFG FPDT SSDT SSDT UEFI UEFI 
MSDM UEFI DBG2
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2348M CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2295.07 MHz
cpu0: 
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,DEADLINE,XSAVE,AVX,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,SENSOR,ARAT
cpu0: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache
cpu0: apic clock running at 99MHz
cpu0: mwait min=64, max=64, C-substates=0.2.1.1.2, IBE
cpu at mainbus0: not configured
cpu at mainbus0: not configured
cpu at mainbus0: not configured
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus -1 (P0P1)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 1 (RP01)
acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 2 (RP02)
acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP03)
acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 3 (RP04)
acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP05)
acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP06)
acpiprt8 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP07)
acpiprt9 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP08)
acpiprt10 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEG0)
acpiprt11 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEG1)
acpiprt12 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEG2)
acpiprt13 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEG3)
acpiec0 at acpi0
acpicpu at acpi0 not configured
acpipwrres at acpi0 not configured
acpitz at acpi0 not configured
acpitz at acpi0 not configured
acpibat at acpi0 not configured
acpithinkpad at acpi0 not configured
acpiac at acpi0 not configured
acpibtn at acpi0 not configured
acpibtn at acpi0 not configured
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel Core 2G Host" rev 0x09
vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel HD Graphics 3000" rev 0x09
wsdisplay1 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
xhci0 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 "Intel 7 Series xHCI" rev 0x04: msi
usb0 at xhci0: USB revision 3.0
uhub0 at usb0 "Intel xHCI root hub" rev 3.00/1.00 addr 1
"Intel 7 Series MEI" rev 0x04 at pci0 dev 22 function 0 not configured
ehci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 0 "Intel 7 Series USB" rev 0x04: apic 2 int 16
usb1 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub1 at usb1 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
"Intel 7 Series HD Audio" rev 0x04 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 not configured
ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 "Intel 7 Series PCIE" rev 0xc4: msi
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 "Intel 7 Series PCIE" rev 0xc4: msi
pci2 at ppb1 bus 2
"Broadcom BCM4313" rev 0x01 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 not configured
ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 3 "Intel 7 Series PCIE" rev 0xc4: msi
pci3 at ppb2 bus 3
re0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 "Realtek 8168" rev 0x07: RTL8168E/8111E-VL 
(0x2c80), msi, address 3c:97:0e:88:66:07
rgephy0 at re0 phy 7: RTL8169S/8110S/8211 PHY, rev. 5
ehci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 "Intel 7 Series USB" rev 0x04: apic 2 int 23
usb2 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0
uhub2 at usb2 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
"Intel HM77 LPC" rev 0x04 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 not configured
ahci0 at pci0 dev 31 function 2 "Intel 7 Series AHCI" rev 0x04: msi, AHCI 1.3
ahci0: port 1: 3.0Gb/s
ahci0: port 4: 1.5Gb/s
scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets
sd0 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0:  SCSI3 0/direct 
fixed naa.5000c50060768ff4
sd0: 305245MB, 512 bytes/sector, 625142448 sectors
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 4 lun 0:  ATAPI 5/cdrom 
removable
"Intel 7 Series SMBus" rev 0x04 at pci0 dev 31 function 3 not configured
isa0 at mainbus0
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 irq 1 irq 12
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay1
rsu0 at uhub0 port 4 configuration 1 interface 0 "Manufacturer Realtek Belkin 
USB Wireless Adaptor" rev 2.00/2.00 addr 2
rsu0: MAC/BB RTL8712 cut 3, address c0:56:27:e2:6b:17
uhub3 at uhub1 port 1 "vendor 0x8087 product 0x0024" rev 2.00/0.00 addr 2
uhidev0 at uhub3 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0 "Logitech USB Receiver" rev 
2.00/30.00 addr 3
uhidev0: iclass 3/1
uhid at uhidev0 not configured
uhidev1 at uhub3 port 2 configuration 1 interface 1 "Logitech USB Receiver" rev 
2.00/30.00 addr 3
uhidev1: iclass 3/0, 17 report ids
uhid at uhidev1 

Belkin N300

[Richard Thornton]

Does this USB wireless add-o, which uses a realtek chipset, work with
OpenBSD?‎The installer sees it, the firmware fails to load.
Thanks,
Richard

Re: Is true that the BSD developers were inspired to make their code free software by the example of the GNU Project, and explicit appeals from GNU activists helped persuade them?

[Richard Thornton]

I would read McKusick's book on FreeBSD. He gives a good historical accounting
of the BSD's. Also the book Raymond's book "The Cathedral and the Bazaar". 

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  Original Message  
From: Jorge Luis
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 12:08 PM
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Is true that the BSD developers were inspired to make their code free
software by the example of the GNU Project, and explicit appeals from GNU
activists helped persuade them?

It is written in article 'Linux and the GNU System' posted in GNU Operating
System:

"People sometimes ask whether BSD too is a version of GNU, like GNU/Linux.
The BSD developers were inspired to make their code free software by the
example of the GNU Project, and explicit appeals from GNU activists helped
persuade them, but the code had little overlap with GNU. BSD systems today
use some GNU programs, just as the GNU system and its variants use some BSD
programs; however, taken as wholes, they are two different systems that
evolved separately. The BSD developers did not write a kernel and add it to
the GNU system, and a name like GNU/BSD would not fit the situation.(5)"

Is true that the BSD developers were inspired to make their code free
software by the example of the GNU Project, and explicit appeals from GNU
activists helped persuade them?

If no, what is the true story of BSD developers?



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Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

[Richard Thornton]

I have no clue what a hackathon costs, any ballpark averages?

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  Original Message  
From: Theo de Raadt
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 11:11 AM
To: Donald Allen
Cc: Theo de Raadt; misc; Richard Thornton
Subject: Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> But if we lose the project leader due to lack of exercise and food,
> that's not good for the project. You made it very clear in a previous
> message to this thread that no Foundation money comes to you. So while
> the Foundation may be doing good things with their money, we, the
> community, need to be sure that you have what you need. And in the
> unlikely event that the freeloader factor decreases and we send you
> more than you need, couldn't you turn the excess over to the
> Foundation?

Easily done by paying for a hackathon or two directly.

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

[Richard Thornton]

The reality is obvious - most users of open source are pure unadulterated free
loaders.  Nobody pays but we all use it.  
That includes very large corporations as well.  Torvalds solved it the old
fashioned way;  he is an employee of his own foundation.  McKusick sells
training videos.  All I can do is buy the CD's and give some $ to the
foundation.  Any other suggestion is not productive.


  Original Message  
From: Bryan Vyhmeister
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:36 PM
To: Bal??zs Nagy
Cc: Theo de Raadt; grazzol...@gmail.com; Tati Chevron; Stuart Henderson;
misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 06:20:02PM -0700, Bal??zs Nagy wrote:
> On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Theo de Raadt  wrote:
> >
> > These days the CD revenue is about what a cashier at a store makes.
>
> I'm sick to my stomack when I read this. I won't get into how unjust,
> unfair, unethical this situation is, we all know that life is unfair.
> We also all know that Theo could have a high six figure, probably even
> seven figure salary if he chose to. I don't think the issue is what
> new technology to deliver the CD sets on. I think the question is how
> to deliver Theo a recurring revenue so that he gets to draw a salary
> that is at least somewhat commensurate with his contribution to the IT
> industry. Just like a lot of us do recurring contributions to the
> OpenBSD Foundation, we need to find a way to provide Theo directly as
> well. Am I beeing too naive, am I missing somthing here?

I agree completely. This is the core issue we need to look at and find
solutions to.

Bryan

Re: Paris..

[Richard Thornton]

France is screwed and perhaps Europe, translation, WWIII, unless they get
their Muslim problem under control ASAP. Glad I don't live there. Let's not
forget Mr. Roy who went back home to Bangladesh for an award, or Van Gogh
walking down a street in Amsterdam. Are France‎ and the few remaining Euro
fenchmen, finally ready to admit that they need to do what Israel has done?
But unfortunately, no they don't and you will see this again, worse, soon.
 You don't see these massacres in Switzerland do you? Wonder why? Had enough
yet France?



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  Original Message  
From: Francois Pussault
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:07 AM
To: Rod Whitworth; misc@openbsd.org; Ryan Freeman
Reply To: Francois Pussault
Subject: Re: Paris..

Thanks for all,

now there is calm again even in Paris.
But this stay chocking.


> 
> From: Rod Whitworth 
> Sent: Sat Nov 14 03:49:18 CET 2015
> To: misc@openbsd.org , Ryan Freeman 
> Subject: Re: Paris..
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:10:53 -0800, Ryan Freeman wrote:
>
> >Completely off-topic but I am concerned for the .fr devs..
> >
>
>http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/paris-police-report-shootout-at-re
staurant-explosion-near-stadium/article27256201/
> >
> >Can I get a ping to this thread from all the .fr folks?
> >Stay strong France...
> >
> >-Ryan
> >
>
> And all the users and those who contribute to development in any way.
>
> Keep your heads down. It is frustrating that I can do nothing.
> Rod/
>
>
> *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I  subscribed to the list.
> Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is
tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to
reply off list. Thankyou.
>
> Rod/
> ---
> This life is not the real thing.
> It is not even in Beta.
> If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it.
>


Cordialement
Francois Pussault
10 chemin de négo saoumos
apt 202 - bat 2
31300 Toulouse
+33 6 17 230 820   +33 5 34 365 269
fpussa...@contactoffice.fr

Avahi daemon, dbus daemon

[Richard Thornton]

I am now using the 5.8 release. I have tried to start avahi in my
rc.conf.local file but it always fails to load. In 5.7 I never had this
problem. What's the correct way to load these daemons?
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LTE network.

Re: CD's arrived

[Richard Thornton]

I know I paid for a 5.8 disk, but I have never received it.


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  Original Message  
From: Carl Trachte
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 10:36 PM
To: OpenBSD general usage list
Subject: Re: CD's arrived

Tucson, Arizona

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Ralph Siegler  wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Oct 2015 14:51:28 +, M Wheeler wrote:
>
>> CD's arrived today UK. Thanks again.
>
> Just arrived just north of Chicago, IL USA (pre-ordered Sept 15) Many
> thanks!

Re: CD's arrived

[Richard Thornton]

I spoke too soon earlier - mine arrived today as well!  10/15/2015.
Princeton area, NJ


On 10/15/15 14:26, Vijay Sankar wrote:

Quoting Carl Trachte :


Tucson, Arizona

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Ralph Siegler 
 wrote:

On Wed, 07 Oct 2015 14:51:28 +, M Wheeler wrote:


CD's arrived today UK. Thanks again.


Just arrived just north of Chicago, IL USA  (pre-ordered Sept 15)  Many
thanks!


I received mine today in Winnipeg, MB, Canada. The cover looks great!! 
Thanks very much to all the developers.


Reporting this to the list only because I did not notice anyone from 
Canada mentioning that they received the CDs yet. Also, just in case 
you all are wondering, it is a very nice day in Winnipeg (7 Celsius, 
42 kmph wind, excellent day for biking :)

Re: CD's arrived

[Richard Thornton]

I am in NJ. Have not received anything yet.

RT

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  Original Message  
From: Raf Czlonka
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 2:38 PM
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: CD's arrived

On Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 03:51:28PM BST, M Wheeler wrote:

> CD's arrived today UK. Thanks again.

Got mine today, too :^)

Raf

Re: Native EFI Bootloader Support

[Richard Thornton]

There are no "one size fits all" OS's;  why would we need one?  That's why 
we have networks!

Richard Thornton

Accessing USB with OpenBSD 5.7/amd64

[Richard Thornton]

When this test box, a Sempron 3400 begins to boot, USB is recognized:

OpenBSD 5.7 (RAMDISK_CD) #806: Sun Mar  8 11:08:49 MDT 2015
dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/RAMDISK_CD
real mem = 3404660736 (3246MB)
avail mem = 3312402432 (3158MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xf (53 entries)
bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD version 3.13 date 11/15/2005
bios0: Compaq Presario 061 EL426AA-ABA SR1710NX NA611
acpi0 at bios0: rev 0
acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S3 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT SRAT MCFG APIC
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+, 1990.12 MHz
cpu0: 
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW,LAHF
cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 128KB 
64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully 
associative
cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully 
associative
cpu0: AMD erratum 89 present, BIOS upgrade may be required
cpu0: apic clock running at 198MHz
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 21, 24 pins
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (P2P_)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 1 (AGP_)
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 ATI RS480 Host rev 0x10
ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 ATI RS480 PCIE rev 0x00
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
vga1 at pci1 dev 5 function 0 ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 rev 0x00
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
pciide0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 ATI SB400 SATA rev 0x00: DMA
pciide0: using apic 2 int 22 for native-PCI interrupt
pciide0: port 0: device present, speed: 1.5Gb/s
wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: Maxtor 6L100M0
wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 95396MB, 195371568 sectors
wd0(pciide0:0:0): using BIOS timings, Ultra-DMA mode 5
ohci0 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 ATI SB400 USB rev 0x00: apic 2 int 18, 
version 1.0, legacy support
ohci1 at pci0 dev 19 function 1 ATI SB400 USB rev 0x00: apic 2 int 18, 
version 1.0, legacy support
ehci0 at pci0 dev 19 function 2 ATI SB400 USB2 rev 0x00: apic 2 int 18
usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub0 at usb0 ATI EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
ATI SB400 SMBus rev 0x11 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 not configured
pciide1 at pci0 dev 20 function 1 ATI SB400 IDE rev 0x00: DMA, channel 0 
configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility
atapiscsi0 at pciide1 channel 1 drive 0
scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: LITE-ON, COMBO SOHC-4836K, SPJ2 ATAPI 
5/cdrom removable
cd0(pciide1:1:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 2
ATI SB400 ISA rev 0x00 at pci0 dev 20 function 3 not configured
ppb1 at pci0 dev 20 function 4 ATI SB400 PCI rev 0x00
pci2 at ppb1 bus 2
rl0 at pci2 dev 3 function 0 Realtek 8139 rev 0x10: apic 2 int 21, 
address 00:15:f2:76:1d:d0
rlphy0 at rl0 phy 0: RTL internal PHY
VIA VT6306 FireWire rev 0x80 at pci2 dev 5 function 0 not configured
vendor Conexant, unknown product 0x2f20 (class communications subclass 
miscellaneous, rev 0x00) at pci2 dev 9 function 0 not configured
ATI SB400 AC97 rev 0x02 at pci0 dev 20 function 5 not configured
pchb1 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 AMD AMD64 0Fh HyperTransport rev 0x00
pchb2 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 AMD AMD64 0Fh Address Map rev 0x00
pchb3 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 AMD AMD64 0Fh DRAM Cfg rev 0x00
pchb4 at pci0 dev 24 function 3 AMD AMD64 0Fh Misc Cfg rev 0x00
usb1 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub1 at usb1 ATI OHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb2 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0
uhub2 at usb2 ATI OHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
isa0 at mainbus0
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0

But in the end, the USB appears diabled:

uhub1: device problem, disabling port 4
uhub2: device problem, disabling port 1
softraid0 at root
scsibus1 at softraid0: 256 targets
root on rd0a swap on rd0b dump on rd0b
syncing disks... 


The hardware itself seems ok, since I have tried other OS's, Linux, as 
well as FreeBSD;  neither seemed to have issues with this particular 
system with USB.  I have searched on the OpenBSD docs for a obvious solution,
but nothing obvious is found.  To be sure, accesing USB is not that important 
to me, but I was curious, if there was some sort of boot parameter which I 
could set, in order to fully access the USB ports with OpenBSD.


Richard 

Re: Start isc_named earlier

[Richard Thornton]

‎I see from the output usbdevs - vd that all the USB ports are seen. It must be 
something simple, will continue researching it.

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  Original Message  
From: g.lis...@nodeunit.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 12:56 PM
To: secularsolutions...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Start isc_named earlier

I am really sorry, but don't. .. I was hijacking your message to right a new 
question and then i happened to move my finger the wrong way and boom 
send...

Sorry

On Sun Aug 23 18:47:32 2015 GMT+0200, Richard Thornton wrote:
 OK will try that.
 
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 Original Message 
 From: g.lis...@nodeunit.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 12:18 PM
 To: misc@openbsd.org
 Cc: misc@openbsd.org
 Subject: Start isc_named earlier
 
 On Sun Aug 23 15:40:57 2015 GMT+0200, Richard Thornton wrote:
  When this test box, a Sempron 3400 begins to boot, USB is recognized:
  
  OpenBSD 5.7 (RAMDISK_CD) #806: Sun Mar 8 11:08:49 MDT 2015
  dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/RAMDISK_CD
  real mem = 3404660736 (3246MB)
  avail mem = 3312402432 (3158MB)
  mainbus0 at root
  bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xf (53 entries)
  bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD version 3.13 date 11/15/2005
  bios0: Compaq Presario 061 EL426AA-ABA SR1710NX NA611
  acpi0 at bios0: rev 0
  acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S3 S4 S5
  acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT SRAT MCFG APIC
  acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
  cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
  cpu0: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+, 1990.12 MHz
  cpu0: 
  FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW,LAHF
  cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 128KB 
  64b/line 16-way L2 cache
  cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully 
  associative
  cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully 
  associative
  cpu0: AMD erratum 89 present, BIOS upgrade may be required
  cpu0: apic clock running at 198MHz
  ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 21, 24 pins
  acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
  acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (P2P_)
  acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 1 (AGP_)
  pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0
  pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 ATI RS480 Host rev 0x10
  ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 ATI RS480 PCIE rev 0x00
  pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
  vga1 at pci1 dev 5 function 0 ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 rev 0x00
  wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
  pciide0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 ATI SB400 SATA rev 0x00: DMA
  pciide0: using apic 2 int 22 for native-PCI interrupt
  pciide0: port 0: device present, speed: 1.5Gb/s
  wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: Maxtor 6L100M0
  wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 95396MB, 195371568 sectors
  wd0(pciide0:0:0): using BIOS timings, Ultra-DMA mode 5
  ohci0 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 ATI SB400 USB rev 0x00: apic 2 int 18, 
  version 1.0, legacy sup 
 


-- 

Re: USB mouse spontaneously detaching

[Richard Thornton]

If you have xscreensaver installed, that definitely does not always play nice 
with mice and keyboards;   perhaps it's something like that.

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  Original Message  
From: Luciano Rottava da Silva
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 9:14 AM
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: USB mouse spontaneously detaching

Yeah, that��s exactly what I am doing too.

What��s the brand of your mouse? Was considering buying a Logitech but looks
like problem is not mouse itself.


On 16 August 2015 at 15:48, Luciano Rottava da Silva rott...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi folks,

 I am running an OpenBSD 5.7 on amd64 with the very few packages which I
 require for lean desktop. And as usual, pretty much everything is working.

 The only glitch is the mouse support, or maybe my devices.

 Every minute or so USB mouse detaches itself, and this happens in console
 mode after booting the machine, and keeps on.

 This is what I get in ttyC0:

 ums0 detached
 uhidev2 detached
 uhidev2 at uhub3 port 4 configuration 1 interface 0 Microsoft Microsoft
 Basic Optical Mouse v2.0 rev 1.10/1.04 addr 3
 uhidev2: iclass 3/1
 ums0 at uhidev2: 3 buttons, Z dir
 wsmouse0 at ums0 mux 0
 wsmouse0 detached
 ums0 detached
 uhidev2 detached
 uhidev2 at uhub3 port 4 configuration 1 interface 0 Microsoft Microsoft
 Basic Optical Mouse v2.0 rev 1.10/1.04 addr 3
 uhidev2: iclass 3/1
 ums0 at uhidev2: 3 buttons, Z dir
 wsmouse0 at ums0 mux 0

 I have two MS basic optical mouse, one wired and another wireless. The
 behaviour is exactly the same.

 wsmoused is not running, and I have nothing in my xorg.conf (actually I
 don't have a xorg.conf).

 I've found only one reference to a similar problem in misc@ but,
 unfortunatelly, there was no reply.

 So, any suggestion? Important to highlight that in X mouse works
 perfectly. It's just those annoying messages that keep popping up in the
 console that bothers me.

 Cheers,
 Luciano.

Re: lxde

[Richard Thornton]

‎In the spirit of George box, all code is shitty, but some ‎is ok.

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  Original Message  
From: Joseph Oficre
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 12:05 PM
To: OpenBSD misc
Subject: lxde

Hello, friends.
Can someone teel me why there is no lxde (lxqt) or some of the lxde stuff
like lxappearance and lxpanel in OpenBSD?
Is the shitty code the only reason?

Purchase/download a CD-ROM web page

[Richard Thornton]

This page still references version 5.6;  just letting you know.

Re: SPARC minimum hardware specification

[Richard Thornton]

I have dismantled my Sun Blade 100, circa 2002 era, and I have the (4) 500 MG 
memory sticks, keyboard, mouse, monitor, CD player, and the two original stock 
15 GB IDE drives.  If anyone wants the parts, let me know.


It was occasionally‎ a noisy box. I kept mine in a metal enclosure for medium 
sized tower computers, bought via catalog.   The enclosure really deadened the 
sound for around $35.   

This machine worked well with OpenBSD. Version 5.3 was very good on it.





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  Original Message  
From: Graham Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:31 PM
To: na...@mips.inka.de
Cc: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: SPARC minimum hardware specification

On 21/07/2015 17:10, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
 On 2015-07-21, Graham Stephens gra...@thestephensdomain.com wrote:

 These machines were not fast when new, but I will say that if you do try
 one of these you *need* the proper memory for them (IIRC, registered).

 You need the proper memory for _any_ machine. And you misremember.

 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 512MB SDRAM ECC PC133CL2
 spdmem1 at iic0 addr 0x51: 512MB SDRAM ECC PC133CL2
 spdmem2 at iic0 addr 0x52: 256MB SDRAM ECC PC133CL2

 You can run them on cheaper (non registered) memory, but they run *MUCH*
 slower than with the supplied memory.

 That doesn't make any sense.


Now that you've called me out, I had to do a bit of digging to remember 
some of the facts...

I have the alternative memory in working machines at the moment, so I 
can't take them apart to check the specs; it may be that the clock 
timings are different, I don't recall.

I was right, however, about the memory being registered - I just had it 
the wrong way round. The OEM memory is ECC unbuffered. By changing a 
jumper on the motherboard it allows the use of ECC registered, which is 
easier to come by and hence cheaper - at least it was when I was looking 
last.
This may explain the difference in speeds.

Re: which netbook not to buy?

[Richard Thornton]

I am glad that stinkpad argument  is settled .  How about  discussing
OpenBSD?  I find  that codeblocks core dumps every time .   Would  it dump
less on Asus? Cause it dumps a lot on my Lenovo  VM.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015, 8:48 PM Артур Истомин art.is...@yandex.ru
wrote:

 On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:01:19PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote:
   You not even refuted my primary point.
 
  Your primary point is interjecting threads with contradictory comments
  for the opportunity to snap at somebody which really irritates all
  sides.
 
  Also you oppose qualified advise many would want to hear with your own
  suggestion. This may confuse somebody looking for a good laptop to run
  OpenBSD on.
 
  If you have good technical reasoning, bring it to the discussion. By
  annoying people, your technical bits are missed and you fail to make a
  valid point.

 He is right. Thinkpads are crap from time when IBM sold theres to Lenovo.
 I am long time user of thinkpads. My last model was Thinkpad W520.

 
  You say you won't shut up and then you decide to not reply to this
  anymore, please settle and follow the decision.

My Compaq Sempron 3400+

[Richard Thornton]

I finally got this up  running 64 bit;  I have  only $75 tied up in this 
box and it runs very well on 64 bit OpenBSD 5.7;  I tried other OS's such as 
Ubuntu  FreeBSD, but based on my informal trial  error, OpenBSD is still 
the reigning OS for this type of hardware.  As a disclaimer - I am OS 
agnostic, in the sense that I believe in using the OS most suited for the 
computer  the desired application, but OpenBSD is a great OS and I highly 
respect its developer team.

Attached is the basic dmesg;

Richard

ps:  I am a contributer to the foundation with occasional financial 
contributions and will continue this for the foreseeable future.
OpenBSD 5.7 (RAMDISK_CD) #806: Sun Mar  8 11:08:49 MDT 2015
dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/RAMDISK_CD
real mem = 3404660736 (3246MB)
avail mem = 3312402432 (3158MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xf (53 entries)
bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD version 3.13 date 11/15/2005
bios0: Compaq Presario 061 EL426AA-ABA SR1710NX NA611
acpi0 at bios0: rev 0
acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S3 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT SRAT MCFG APIC
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+, 1990.14 MHz
cpu0: 
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW,LAHF
cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 128KB 64b/line 
16-way L2 cache
cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative
cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative
cpu0: AMD erratum 89 present, BIOS upgrade may be required
cpu0: apic clock running at 198MHz
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 21, 24 pins
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (P2P_)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 1 (AGP_)
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 ATI RS480 Host rev 0x10
ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 ATI RS480 PCIE rev 0x00
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
vga1 at pci1 dev 5 function 0 ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 rev 0x00
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
pciide0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 ATI SB400 SATA rev 0x00: DMA
pciide0: using apic 2 int 22 for native-PCI interrupt
pciide0: port 0: device present, speed: 1.5Gb/s
wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: Maxtor 6L100M0
wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 95396MB, 195371568 sectors
wd0(pciide0:0:0): using BIOS timings, Ultra-DMA mode 5
ohci0 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 ATI SB400 USB rev 0x00: apic 2 int 18, 
version 1.0, legacy support
ohci1 at pci0 dev 19 function 1 ATI SB400 USB rev 0x00: apic 2 int 18, 
version 1.0, legacy support
ehci0 at pci0 dev 19 function 2 ATI SB400 USB2 rev 0x00: apic 2 int 18
usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub0 at usb0 ATI EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
ATI SB400 SMBus rev 0x11 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 not configured
pciide1 at pci0 dev 20 function 1 ATI SB400 IDE rev 0x00: DMA, channel 0 
configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility
atapiscsi0 at pciide1 channel 1 drive 0
scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: LITE-ON, COMBO SOHC-4836K, SPJ2 ATAPI 5/cdrom 
removable
cd0(pciide1:1:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 2
ATI SB400 ISA rev 0x00 at pci0 dev 20 function 3 not configured
ppb1 at pci0 dev 20 function 4 ATI SB400 PCI rev 0x00
pci2 at ppb1 bus 2
rl0 at pci2 dev 3 function 0 Realtek 8139 rev 0x10: apic 2 int 21, address 
00:15:f2:76:1d:d0
rlphy0 at rl0 phy 0: RTL internal PHY
VIA VT6306 FireWire rev 0x80 at pci2 dev 5 function 0 not configured
vendor Conexant, unknown product 0x2f20 (class communications subclass 
miscellaneous, rev 0x00) at pci2 dev 9 function 0 not configured
ATI SB400 AC97 rev 0x02 at pci0 dev 20 function 5 not configured
pchb1 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 AMD AMD64 0Fh HyperTransport rev 0x00
pchb2 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 AMD AMD64 0Fh Address Map rev 0x00
pchb3 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 AMD AMD64 0Fh DRAM Cfg rev 0x00
pchb4 at pci0 dev 24 function 3 AMD AMD64 0Fh Misc Cfg rev 0x00
usb1 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub1 at usb1 ATI OHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb2 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0
uhub2 at usb2 ATI OHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
isa0 at mainbus0
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
uhub1: device problem, disabling port 4
softraid0 at root
scsibus1 at softraid0: 256 targets
root on rd0a swap on rd0b dump on rd0b
syncing disks... 
OpenBSD 5.7 (GENERIC) #825: Sun Mar  8 10:59:14 MDT 2015
dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC
real mem = 3404660736 (3246MB)
avail mem = 3310215168 (3156MB)
mpath0 at root
scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xf (53 entries)
bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD version 3.13 date 11/15/2005
bios0: Compaq 

Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor

[Richard Thornton]

Check out this on fossforce...

http://fossforce.com/2015/07/microsoft-writes-check-free-oscon-passes/#more-1253135

I thought this online blog was only interestedin linux, but apparently its 
focus is much larger.



On Fri, 10 Jul 2015, Joel Rees wrote:


I see, now, how my post was misinterpreted.

2015/07/09 9:26 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com:


Hmm. Should have looked at the contributions page before I posted. I
was reading Gold and thinking Iridium.


A corporate contribution of between 25,000 and 50,000 (the Gold level
that Microsoft contributed in) is not in the range that it would raise
the concerns I was trying too carefully to voice politely below.

Quite the opposite, and I should have gone beyond saying that it made
Google look a little stingy.

(Facebook, too. And, yeah, Apple, Cisco, Oracle, et. al., should be
suffering from more than little twinges of conscience.)

Still, sudden infusions of cash are not all good. They often do more
damage than good. Among the problems, people get jealous or
complacent.

In this case, I might be worried that a lot of people who are planning
to buy CDs and/or make other small contributions might find it too
convenient to assume that the corporate sponsors are going to take
care of everything.

If any one company were to donate 200,000 or more, it would be that
much easier to get in the habit of thinking there is a corporate
sponsor.

With the current state of contributions, one contribution in the range
of 25,000 to 50,000 is enough to remind us that the openbsd community
is the devs and the users, and the bottom line is individual
contributions. And encourage to keep contributing. So I think
Microsoft's contribution here was good, and probably carefully
considered.

I think we could even have four to six contributors at the 25,000 to
50,000 level without complacency becoming too much of a problem,
because that level isn't as likely to be confused with sponsorship
(real or de facto).


On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:

Since Jorge broached the subject, I have a couple of armpits I'd like to air.[1]

I am glad, Theo, that you are not on the board of the OpenBSD
Foundation. For many reasons, including the present topic of
discussion, it demonstrates that you understand engineering and
security and how they interact from a very broad perspective.

I sympathize with the board. There is no correct response that I can
see from where I'm sitting.


I was thinking that the Gold level would be in the 250,000+ range. As
I said, I should have gone looking for the actual facts before jumping
to that conclusion. My bad.


Beyond that, the board doesn't need armchair quarterbacks.


And I still want to emphasize this to those who have expressed their
worries about influence. Influence buying is not the thing to worry
about here, and, as Thomas said, I think if we are worried about that,
we really don't trust the developers enough to be using what they
build as more than a toy.

Influence was and is the least of my concerns. Induced complacency is
a worse problem, and I won't bother mentioning other strategies that
would likely get used if Microsoft were to decide that they needed to
either absorb or destroy openbsd.

We don't need to be second guessing the OpenBSD Foundation board.


I just wish Microsoft had given us (the community, as well as the
project) more time.


Less than USD 50,000 is probably not quite in the range to get worried about.


In other words, at this level, I don't think I need to worry that
Microsoft is attempting to destroy openbsd with sudden infusions of
cash.

(And, yes, from what I have seen, Microsoft has done that in the past.
More than once. Changing a few upper-level managers may be enough that
they will quit abusing their monopoly position, but I'm not convinced
yet. If they repeat their contribution at about the same level next
year and the next, without hinting at how OpenBSD could be more
compatible with MSWindows and less with some other OS, I'll be a lot
more willing to believe there has been some substantial change.)


Makes Google look a little stingy, though.


--
Joel Rees

[1] Opinions are like armpits.
Everyone has a couple, and they all stink but your own.
-- a common saying in Texas from the mid-1970s


--
Joel Rees

Be careful when you look at conspiracy.
Look first in your own heart,
and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy.
Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well.


I know I shouldn't be so quick to see plots and and such, but
Microsoft has definitely been among the more dangerous companies to
deal with in the past.

And now I'll shut up.

--
Joel Rees

Computer memory is just fancy paper,
and the CPU is just a fancy pen.
All is text, streaming forever from the past into the future.

RStudio

[Richard Thornton]

Has anybody built RStudio for OpenBSD?


Richard

32bit vs. 64bit on older 64bit processors (fwd)

[Richard Thornton]

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 00:36:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Richard Thornton rthor...@secularsolutionsllc.com
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: 32bit vs. 64bit on older 64bit processors

A friend gave me a fully functioning  Compaq Sempron 3400+;  he has 1.2GB 
installed memory, but I have purchased a 2GB kit in order to up the 
memory, upping the memory to 3.2GB; the max is 4GB, but then I would have 
to eat the stock 256MG stick;   It also has Radeon graphics and a 
stock 100GB SATA main HD.  I have tried the 32bit OpenBSD versions 5.6  
5.7;  both work fine;  64bit FreeBSD also seems to work well, but I am 
partial to OpenBSD as I do think its a much more solid, stable *BSD.  
Given that this box is an older 64bit system, which is single core and 
the maximum memory installable is 4GB, what's the best build to use for 
it?  32bit or 64bit?

Thanks,

Richard

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

[Richard Thornton]

I bought a can of this paint from a hardware store up in Lake Louise last 
week.





On Wed, 14 Jan 2015, Theo de Raadt wrote:


On 2015-01-14, mar...@martinbrandenburg.com mar...@martinbrandenburg.com 
wrote:


Buying a CD in my case includes a 5.000 mile trip through multiple
five-eyes nations, whose overzealous three letter agencies officially
intercept physical shipments to install backdoors and hardware implants.


Where have you heard that?


Part of the Snowden revelations.  Have you been living under a rock
for the past 18 months?

--
Christian naddy Weisgerber  na...@mips.inka.de


They are not regularly intercepting CD shipments and replacing the CDs.
It would not be unusual for an intelligence agency to attempt to intercept
particular mails for particular people, but they can't do it at scale
secretly.


Finding them inside the global shipping system is easier than you
think, because the CDs labels are printed using the radioactive paint
they gave us.

Re: What exactly is sigtramp?

[Richard Thornton]

See page 159 of the recent second edition of McKusick's book on the  BSD
kernel.  It's FreeBSD centric, but its the same concepts.
On Jan 14, 2015 6:31 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote:

  at [1], I read something about 'Sigtramp separation' within
  the W^X transition.   I only know that this sigtramp-page (?) is
  used to jump back into the kernel when a signal arrives.
 
  My question is, what exactly is this signal trampoline?

 That is not what the slides say.

  Why do I need it?

 To return from a signal handler.

  Why was it on the Stack (first page of the virtual memory)?

 Because it was.

  And why must it be executable /  what does the code?

 Because it is code.

  Thank you for your help.

 You've got access to all this source code.  It is documented.
 And there are books.  There are search engines which can answer
 this.

 But the modern way is to ask large mailing lists?

 If you can't study the world around you, you will remain ignorant.

ndpi with ntop

[Richard Thornton]

Hi,

Does anybody know of any integration between PF and ndpi?

I would love to be able to block by application (bittorrent, skype...) in
PF!

If there is nothing out there, would it be a lot of work, is ndpi already
working in OpenBSD?

Thanks.

Richard

Re: Sorry OpenBSD people, been a bit busy

[Richard Thornton]

I am not stupid  midwestern enough to believe that all Muslims are a
terrorist threat.  My son is half jewish and I am not even reflexively
pro-israel.  I find that when I enter a church or a temple, its a bit
of mental torture;  over the weekend I was at a bat mitzvah and believe
me, it was torture. I am about as far from the beliefs of david horowitz
as you can get.  I live near Princeton, and personally I think that NJ is
a police state;  they actually monitor people's license plates and I was
harrassed 5 years ago in a park near princeton, because I was caught
there after dark in my car with a partially used bottle of wine.
They harrassed me for over 15 minutes making me dance around out of my
car, then they let me go;  later I was in the starbucks in princeton,
about midnite, and these two saw me and started laughing.  Its all a joke
to these guys - law  order.

Anyway, according to bin laden, he just wanted us out
of arab lands.  That was his main gripe.  Boy, if thats all it takes, I
would go in a heart beat, why fight these guys?  But somehow I think they
also want us out of portugal, spain, turkey, north africa, and ultimately
israel.  Last year I saw David Broza at 92nd St Y;  he personally
sponsored 4 young musicians from Nazareth, 3 of whom were palestinian.
I have to tell you, at least 85% of the audience, standing room only was
jewish, and all loved this guy and the concert.  Obviously there are
people on the other side, including myself, looking for an olive branch
and a way out of this global mess, buts whats with all these draconian
blasphemy laws in places like pakistand, iran, and saudi arabia?  Why cant
a britsh citizen like Rushdie write a book iranians dont like and be in
hiding for literally years?  They even targeted publishers in NYC over his
book.  What about the Van Gogh murder? It is a concern of mine that
what is happening in France with Algerians, and others, and what is in
England with Pakistanis will spill into NJ.  We shouldnt unfairly target
muslims, but they should likewise leave me alone;  I may be the great
satan, but I have never advocated military action in any of their lands,
except to get bin laden in 2002.


On Wed, 9 Oct 2013, Zé Loff wrote:

 On Oct 9, 2013, at 12:15 AM, Scott McEachern sc...@blackstaff.ca wrote:

 On 10/08/13 17:38, Richard Thornton wrote:
 I am not flippant enough to say that the NSA revelations do not matter,
 but what are we supposed to do?  The Middle Eastern terrorism threat is
 real and we need to be able to stop them anyway necessary.

 All it takes is one of them to hit every Walmart in the neighborhood,
 buy every pay-as-you-go phone they have, then pass them out to their
 friends in every Mosque.  Now you have a new terrorism threat.  So,
 welcome to the real world my friend, and wake up.

 [...]

 And for the record, both you and Ze Loff should stick to facts and rational
discussion.  Bigots and morons are best defeated with those, and they'll show
their true colours, debasing their own opinions.  There's no need for insults
and ad hominem attacks.

 First of all I owe an apology to the list and, albeit partially, to Richard.
I now realise I overreacted a bit. I don't think hate (in the broadest sense
of the word) belongs in this list and the comments the kind of which Richard
made really get on my nerves. Ironically enough, I ended up spreading the hate
myself. Again, my apologies.

 That being said, Richard, if you still stand behind your comment and your
gross generalisation about muslims, I must still call you a bigot. And just
for the sake of clarity I have the utmost respect for the victims of 9/11, as
I have for those in Boston, Fallujah, Gaza, Auschwitz, Sbrenica, Sudan,
Rwanda, Chechnya or in that theatre in Moscow a few years ago. In short for
every one who was harmed by some idiot/state who thinks his beliefs (religious
or not) is better than the rest of them. The all muslims are terrorists
generalisation is as dumb and shortsighted as saying all blond girls are
stupid, all americans are fat gun fanatics, all germans are nazis, all jews
are... I'm sure you get the point.

 Just to bring this slightly back on-topic, please realise that terrorism (as
real as it is) has been used as an pretext. Intercepting communications on the
UN has nothing to do with it, nor does planting bugs on the European
Parliament, nor does spying on Brasil's President or its state oil company.

 And Scott, thanks for setting me straight and for the rest of your message.


 Again sorry for the noise and kudos on the YYCIX, Theo.
 Zé

Re: Sorry OpenBSD people, been a bit busy

[Richard Thornton]

You're right!  I am outa here!  Bye!


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Peter Hessler phess...@theapt.org wrote:

 This has gotten massively off topic.  Can we please let the thread end
 here?

Re: Sorry OpenBSD people, been a bit busy

[Richard Thornton]

I am not flippant enough to say that the NSA revelations do not matter,
but what are we supposed to do?  The Middle Eastern terrorism threat is
real and we need to be able to stop them anyway necessary.

All it takes is one of them to hit every Walmart in the neighborhood,
buy every pay-as-you-go phone they have, then pass them out to their
friends in every Mosque.  Now you have a new terrorism threat.  So,
welcome to the real world my friend, and wake up.


On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Scott McEachern wrote:

 On 10/08/13 16:36, Martin Schröder wrote:
 YYCIX is subject to canadian laws.
 It likely must have a lawful interception interface for the canadian
 police/whatever.

 Americans are subject to the highest law of the land:  The US Constitution.
 You know, that document the President and damned near every government
 employee has sworn an oath to obey and protect.

 The NSA has broken that oath.  Not long after the Snowden leaks started, the
 Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, spoke before congress and
 explained what the NSA is up to, in an attempt to play down Snowden's
 revelations.  Then more Snowden documents came out, proving that the DNI
just
 /lied/ to congress.  Curiously, he's not in jail, and is still in office.
 Lying to congress is an indictable offense, er, a felony offence in US
 legal-speak.

 Now here's another fun bit of trivia for you:  The constitution outranks
 *all* other laws, like state, regional, municipal, etc. All except one:
 Foreign treaties.  They hold equal rank to the constitution.  Think about
 that, vis a vis foreign treaties with other intelligence agencies.  The same
 applies in Canada with our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

 Lawful interception, you say?  Subject to Canadian laws?  Privacy laws?
 There are no privacy laws in either the US or Canadian constitutions; look
it
 up.  But we /do/ have treaties.

 Canada is a member of Five Eyes.

 Thank-you for proving my point.  Nice treaties with the other members since
 1948.  Treaties that have equivalent legal weight to the constitutions of
the
 respective countries.

 If you think our (Canadian) morally superior privacy laws, and our
 national/provincial privacy commissioners have any say in the matter, you're
 fooling yourself.

 A couple of weeks ago, John Tory, a very well-respected radio commentator
 (and former lawyer, former CEO of Rogers, former politician, etc.) on a
 respected AM talk radio station, interviewed a fellow who works deep inside
 the telecom industry.  Sorry, I can't remember the chap's name.  Tory asked
 the guy, So what ISPs are giving customer data to the government?  The guy
 deadpanned, All of them.  All of them are doing it.

 Of course, there's no actual proof of this at the moment, but given what
 Snowden has released so far, and what those documents indicate (eg. PRISM) I
 think this theory has moved from pure speculation to most likely
status.

 --
 Scott McEachern

 https://www.blackstaff.ca

 Beware the Four Horsemen of the Information Apocalypse: terrorists, drug
 dealers, kidnappers, and child pornographers. Seems like you can scare any
 public into allowing the government to do anything with those four.  --
 Bruce Schneier

Re: Sorry OpenBSD people, been a bit busy

[Richard Thornton]

The NSA is just a backdrop against the real corruption, which guys like
Sen. Ted Cruz, who intentionally manipulate the markets by threatening to
default on USA debt.  Only an idiot would not assume these Senators are
selling their stocks before this stupid debate, drive the markets down,
buy on the cheap, then bam!  Come up with a deal, and make a huge windfall
profit.  meanwhile they keep everyone focused on other issues such as NSA
while they literally rape the country.


On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Scott McEachern wrote:

 On 10/08/13 16:36, Martin Schröder wrote:
 YYCIX is subject to canadian laws.
 It likely must have a lawful interception interface for the canadian
 police/whatever.

 Americans are subject to the highest law of the land:  The US Constitution.
 You know, that document the President and damned near every government
 employee has sworn an oath to obey and protect.

 The NSA has broken that oath.  Not long after the Snowden leaks started, the
 Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, spoke before congress and
 explained what the NSA is up to, in an attempt to play down Snowden's
 revelations.  Then more Snowden documents came out, proving that the DNI
just
 /lied/ to congress.  Curiously, he's not in jail, and is still in office.
 Lying to congress is an indictable offense, er, a felony offence in US
 legal-speak.

 Now here's another fun bit of trivia for you:  The constitution outranks
 *all* other laws, like state, regional, municipal, etc. All except one:
 Foreign treaties.  They hold equal rank to the constitution.  Think about
 that, vis a vis foreign treaties with other intelligence agencies.  The same
 applies in Canada with our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

 Lawful interception, you say?  Subject to Canadian laws?  Privacy laws?
 There are no privacy laws in either the US or Canadian constitutions; look
it
 up.  But we /do/ have treaties.

 Canada is a member of Five Eyes.

 Thank-you for proving my point.  Nice treaties with the other members since
 1948.  Treaties that have equivalent legal weight to the constitutions of
the
 respective countries.

 If you think our (Canadian) morally superior privacy laws, and our
 national/provincial privacy commissioners have any say in the matter, you're
 fooling yourself.

 A couple of weeks ago, John Tory, a very well-respected radio commentator
 (and former lawyer, former CEO of Rogers, former politician, etc.) on a
 respected AM talk radio station, interviewed a fellow who works deep inside
 the telecom industry.  Sorry, I can't remember the chap's name.  Tory asked
 the guy, So what ISPs are giving customer data to the government?  The guy
 deadpanned, All of them.  All of them are doing it.

 Of course, there's no actual proof of this at the moment, but given what
 Snowden has released so far, and what those documents indicate (eg. PRISM) I
 think this theory has moved from pure speculation to most likely
status.

 --
 Scott McEachern

 https://www.blackstaff.ca

 Beware the Four Horsemen of the Information Apocalypse: terrorists, drug
 dealers, kidnappers, and child pornographers. Seems like you can scare any
 public into allowing the government to do anything with those four.  --
 Bruce Schneier

Re: Sorry OpenBSD people, been a bit busy

[Richard Thornton]

I am glad to know that it is a parody account;
You can easily go to court, in order to force Twitter to give up the names
 contact info of those responsible for the parody account if you would
like to sue, but then any off-color public remarks you have actually made
could be turned against you.  The best approach is to sue Twitter
directly.  It would be fun to see that stupid service shutdown.



On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, InterNetX - Robert Garrett wrote:

 Because people, are idiots, and like to attack others who do useful things.
 Keep your head up.

 RG

 On 10/07/2013 02:48 AM, dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote:
 Hi, yeah, it is really me.  I find it strange posting to misc,
 starting an email thread.  Normally I finish the threads here.

 Most OpenBSD developers have known for a while, but I think it is
 important to tell the greater community that I've been a bit busy for
 about the last year.  I have not been paying as much attention to
 OpenBSD development as I'm expected to.  Luckily, other developers
 have done a great job keeping it on track.

 Why?  With a group of others, I started setting up an Internet
 Exchange in Calgary, and this has taken much time because it is highly
 politicized and has encountered some resistance.

 http://yycix.ca
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YYCIX_Internet_Exchange_Community_Ltd

 Now, why do I mention this in relation to OpenBSD?  Well, at the end
 of 2007 someone decided to open an impersonation account on twitter in
 my name, and start sending a mix of things I have said (see wikiquote
 for instance), with things that I would never say.  That account is
 http://twitter.com/theoderaadt

 A few notes:  The account has now changed to declare that it is a
 parody account and renamed to Not Theo de Raadt, as of a few days
 ago.  If you read back into the past, you will see true character of
 the account and the individual.

 People in the local community were directed to the account, to give a
 negative, if not slanderous, view of my character.  The ones directing
 them have high-profile roles in the community, so people would take
 what they say as true.  Since I am the network manager for the
 exchange equipment, this by extension was meant to hurt YYCIX.

 Why would stewards of important infrastructure projects deliberately
 spread such false stories?

 I will not mention names.  I don't need to; many can dig a little and
 figure out who those actors are.  As a hint, search a little bit
 higher.

 Finally, one thing that particularily bothers me in the old postings
 is the mention of my old friend Itojun, a very dedicated developer of
 IPv6.  As many of you know, he and John Postel are the only two
 internet architects currently honoured on an annual basis by the
 Internet Society in the form of an award.


http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/grants-and-awards/awards/itojun-ser
vice-award

 Layers of hurt being thrown around.  Why?



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Re: mailx : mime handling?

[Richard Thornton]

I like both pine/alpine;  Both compile with no tweaking.

Richard


On Wed, 25 Sep 2013, Eric Johnson wrote:


On Wed, 25 Sep 2013, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote:


Mayuresh Kathe said:

hi, how do mailx users currently handle mime?


They don't. They install mutt, s-nail or whatever.


pine/alpine

Eric

Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

[Richard Thornton]

I do not think that Cinnamon is available with OpenBSD.
But, I could easily be wrong.


On Sun, 22 Sep 2013, Roelof Wobben wrote:


Hello,

Before I try OpenBSd I have two questions.

1) The manual says that I can use pkg -upgrade
  But how do I know which packages can be updated or which
  security patches there are avaible.

2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so,
  how can I install it.

Regards,

Roelof Wobben

general ports question

[Richard Thornton]

So if one has a 5.3 release system running, but finds a desired package in
say 5.1, will pkg_add work on this, assuming I adjust the PKG_PATH to point
to a 5.1 package folder?  Or will doing this cause other instabilities?

Thanks,

Richard

Re: pkg_add hung?

[Richard Thornton]

sometimes a mirror will time out, I have seen this, so I swap between
ftp3.usa.openbsd.org and ftp5.usa.openbsd.org;  I have had very good
response from both of these;  alos sometimes, a file is missing, and this
throws an error.  Then I switch mirrors, kill the pkg_add process and
restart pkg_add.  otherwise I never have a problem.


On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Maxime o...@mxher.fr wrote:
  Le 15/09/2013 15:25, Jeffrey Walton a écrit :
  On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Roman Gorelov bert.bu...@yandex.com
 wrote:
  Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com writes:
  Mt bad. That was the mirror. Here's the full PKG_PATH (from the
  capture):
 ftp://mirror.jmu.edu/pub/OpenBSD/OpenBSD/5.3.packages/amd64/
  (with the trailing slash).
 
 
  Look carefully at yout $PKG_PATH.
  Should be: ftp://mirror.jmu.edu/pub/OpenBSD/5.3/packages/amd64/
  Really is:
 ftp://mirror.jmu.edu/pub/OpenBSD/OpenBSD/5.3.packages/amd64/
  Thanks Roman. It was a typo. The screen capture is correct.
 
 
  Don't use screen capture attached as they are removed  from the
  mailing-list.
 Thanks Maxime. I provided a link to the capture. It was not attached.

  Are you able to do a telnet mirror.jmu.edu 21 and get successfully
  connected or not?
  You could just copy/paste text of your terminal.
 The first few dependent packages were downloaded. It hung on the libiconv.

  My guess is there is a firewall which is not allowing your OpenBSD
  server to connect to the mirror (dropping packets).
  It can be the local firewall itself or another one depending of your
  network architecture.
 OK, thanks.

 So am I safe to ^C this process and try again? I don't want to corrupt
 the package database since I'll probably not be able to fix it.

 Did I do something wrong when attempting to follow the manual? The
 command woud have been:

 sudo -E pkg_add subversion

 Jeff

thunar-settings

[Richard Thornton]

This file located in /usr/local/bin
seems to prevent thunar from working properly on sparc64, when xfce is
running under a user.  When xfce is running under a root account, there is
no problem.  On amd64, there is no issue period.
On my sparc box, I removed this file, and now thunar works properly.  Why
does this file not work properly on a sparc box?
#!/bin/sh
#
# vi:set et ai sw=2 sts=2 ts=2: */

test x$DISPLAY != x || DISPLAY=:0

output=`dbus-send --session --print-reply --dest=org.xfce.FileManager \
  /org/xfce/FileManager org.xfce.FileManager.DisplayPreferencesDialog \
  string:$DISPLAY string:$DESKTOP_STARTUP_ID`

if ! [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
  echo $output
  exit 1
fi

install5x.iso

[Richard Thornton]

I am curious - given that OpenBSD ships each RELEASE with X , but
applications like Firefox will not work without installing another DE, like
XFCE; why not ship OpenBSD with the basic X, but with the necessary
libraries to allow FireFox to run and other applications like R to output
graphics?  Also why not go ahead and ship with Firefox?  The disk would
still be within the size of a standard CD.

Re: install5x.iso

[Richard Thornton]

In general I really like and appreciate all that is done by developers with
OpenBSD.  The OS is stable and it works well, and shipping it with X
already functional is a big help, especially on older boxes.  Because to
compile xorg with this old sparc box under FreeBSD was taking  24 hours
and it still was not done.


On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Gregor Best g...@ring0.de wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:06:10AM -0400, Richard Thornton wrote:
  I am curious - given that OpenBSD ships each RELEASE with X , but
  applications like Firefox will not work without installing another DE,
  [...]

 That is not true. I ran Firefox and Chrome on a clean OpenBSD 4.9
 installation when it was released and I have been able to since then,
 and I find it hard to believe it was different before.

  [...]
  XFCE; why not ship OpenBSD with the basic X, but with the necessary
  libraries to allow FireFox to run and other applications like R to output
  graphics?  Also why not go ahead and ship with Firefox?  The disk would
  still be within the size of a standard CD.
  [...]

 Installing Firefox with pkg_add adds the required libraries
 automatically. If it does not, that's a bug in the port that should be
 reported.

 Adding Firefox to the base system would be a very bad idea. It is a huge
 load of code that needs to be maintained and not everyone uses Firefox.
 What if I want Chrome instead? Add that to base? What about dillo?
 netsurf? Why not add OpenOffice while we are at it?

 --
 Gregor Best

thunar-archive-0.3.0p3 sparc64

[Richard Thornton]

FYI: Trying to pkg_add this package for sparc64 using the
ftp3.usa.openbsd.org failed due to a broken package but
ftp5.usa.openbsd.orgwas ok.

Compiling BOINC/Seti@Home for OpenBSD 5.3 Sparc64

[Richard Thornton]

My Sun Blade 100, has a fresh install of 5.3, and its very good, much
better than 5.1;  XFCE is very stable and R is much better than prior
ports. you guys did a great job!  Now this computer sits running actively,
with nothing to do!  So lets run Seti on it, but alas, no recent binary for
OpenBSD Sparc64 seems to be found. Thus I tried last night to compile my
own, but the _autosetup script fails saying it can't find
M4 = 1.4 (not true, I have latest), automake( not true I have latest),
autoconf (not true I have latest). The only thing it finds is gmake, which
passes. Is there some sort of special tailoring necessary for OpenBSD? Or
has someone solved all these issues already and could help me out? Thanks,
Richard.

Re: From the military propaganda department

[Richard Thornton]

Time to drink a beer and chill out, dude!

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE
network.

From: Justin LindbergSent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:01 PMTo:
misc@openbsd.orgReply To: Justin LindbergSubject: From the military
propaganda department

Excuse the Yahoo address.  That's the best I can do here in the United
States
of Amerikkka.  How is life in OpenBSD-land?  The gummint dont trust me
when
I use OpenBSD because they don't have a clue what I'm doing when I'm at
my
computer.  Even after they've read my code, and obtained all my passwords
via
rubber-hose cryptanalysis, and they're sitting at my keyboard staring at
the hash
prompt, they still don't have a clue what I am doing, and they think the
problem
can be solved by the more liberal use of rubber hoses.

Oh, I was writing a letter to my attorney.  But some people consider that
to be
illegal here in Amerikkka.

They don't understand that when I am ready to release my software, I
release it,
and when it's released, it's released.  That is my right under our First
Amendment
guarantee of freedom of speech and of the press.  I think it works pretty
similarly
over there in Canada.  When you've tested your code and you are ready,
you
commit it, and when it's committed, it's committed, and the rest of the
team is
free to tear it to shreds.

The best defense to rubber-hose cryptanalysis is small pieces of lead,
saboted
and silenced and projected at high speed at anyone and everyone armed
with a
rubber hose.  The Penguins over in Linux-land understand this very well. 
Do the
Pufferfish?  Because that's my right, too, under our Second Amendment
guarantee of the right to keep and bear arms.

So when I'm ready, I fire a shot, and when it's fired, it's fired, and
there is no
calling it back.  And that's why I make dead certain that I am ready
before I fire.

Even if the U.S. Department of Defense considers computer cryptography to
be a
munition of war, then the right to use it is still protected, only under
the Second
Amendment rather than the First.  Some communications are private,
confidential,
classified, or privileged and not obtainable with a warrant, and that is
why we use
cryptography here in the United States of America.

Re: Latest ThinkPad model fully compatible with OpenBSD out of the box?

[Richard Thornton]

Thats an old box.

On Saturday, March 24, 2012, Jeremy O'Brien obrien6...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 09:12:11AM -0700, James Hozier wrote:
 What's the latest ThinkPad that OpenBSD can be installed on, and have
everything functional without having to tweak any special settings within
OpenBSD?


 I just bought an X60s for cheap, and it's the first laptop I've used
 OpenBSD on that has literally ZERO problems. Graphics, wifi, suspend,
 sound, everything I've tried works beautifully and in some cases even
 better than I expected.

 I know this is an old post. I'm just catching up and had to use this
 thread to vent my excitement at finally having my perfect OpenBSD
 machine :)

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

[Richard Thornton]

Multi boot systems are definitely more risky to assemble;  I prefer use of
VM's instead.

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Donald Allen donaldcal...@gmail.comwrote:

 While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
 at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is
 tempted to think that such a user-friendly installer would not harm
 one so easily...

 I disagree. I think the installer is fine the way it is and it was not
 the problem here. The problem was the original poster's too-cavalier
 approach to something that is well-known to be dangerous. What
 happened here is somewhat analogous to texting while driving or flying
 an airplane drunk and, when disaster occurs, being upset (assuming
 survival) that the equipment didn't prevent it.

 Had he prepared properly, backing up the system first and reading the
 documentation, he might not have made the error, due to the clear
 warnings in the docs,  and if he had, recovery would have been easy
 from the backup.

 Putting additional hand-holding in the installer (what part of Use
 whole disk was difficult to understand?) can only add to a false
 sense of safety. I think it makes a lot more sense that  limited
 development resources be devoted to real issues, as opposed to
 protecting people from their own carelessness.

 /Don Allen

Re: Hidden Long Filenames and mount_cd9660

[Richard Thornton]

Why not find a Windows box to dump the data to a Linux server?  Problem
solved.
On Feb 19, 2012 8:54 AM, Nick Guenther n...@kousu.ca wrote:

 Hiya misc@,

 Upfront: if you have something useful to say, CC me, please. I haven't
 been on this list in a while, managing to solve my own shit before having
 to mail the hivemind, but today I am at a loss.

 I have some old DVD backups from the days when backing up to DVD sort of
 made sense, and now I'm trying to extricate them from their prison. Some
 have broken down and are full of I/O errors or won't mount at all, but
 others work fine. The trouble I'm having is that, in those that will mount,
 some (but only -some-!) show up with 8.3 (aka short aka DOS) filenames.
 I've booted my server into Linux and confirmed that, all else being equal,
 Linux gives long file names and OpenBSD doesn't for these disks, so *the
 metadata is* there and OpenBSD is doing it wrong.

 The head-scratching thing is that for some disks OpenBSD works like you'd
 expect, it's only some disks which teleport it to the stone age. I expect
 there's something weird about the metadata (having or not having proper
 Joliet or Rock Ridge attributes, I guess?), but I'm damned if I know what
 they are (I made these disks on Windows, with Nero probably, before I was
 on the path of enlightenment). I don't really care the cause, I just want
 my data: is there a way to -force- OpenBSD to pay attention to the long
 file names? mount_cd9660's -e, -g, -j and -R, much like the goggles, do
 nothing. Halpp!


 Here's what cd-info(1) (for the archives: this is from package libcdio)
 has to say about a DVD that OpenBSD shows LFNs for:
 ~$ cd-info  --dvd
 cd-info version 0.80 i386-unknown-openbsd4.9
 Copyright (c) 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008 R. Bernstein
 This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
 There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
 PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
 CD location   : /dev/rcd0c
 CD driver name: OpenBSD
   access mode: READ_CD

 Vendor  : TSSTcorp
 Model   : CD/DVDW TS-H652D
 Revision: GA01
 Hardware  : CD-ROM or DVD
 Can eject : Yes
 Can close tray: Yes
 Can disable manual eject  : Yes
 Can select juke-box disc  : No

 Can set drive speed   : No
 Can read multiple sessions (e.g. PhotoCD) : Yes
 Can hard reset device : Yes

 Reading
  Can read Mode 2 Form 1  : Yes
  Can read Mode 2 Form 2  : Yes
  Can read (S)VCD (i.e. Mode 2 Form 1/2)  : Yes
  Can read C2 Errors  : Yes
  Can read IRSC   : Yes
  Can read Media Channel Number (or UPC)  : Yes
  Can play audio  : Yes
  Can read CD-DA  : Yes
  Can read CD-R   : Yes
  Can read CD-RW  : Yes
  Can read DVD-ROM: Yes

 Writing
  Can write CD-RW : Yes
  Can write DVD-R : Yes
  Can write DVD-RAM   : Yes
  Can write DVD-RW: No
  Can write DVD+RW: No
 __**

 Disc mode is listed as: DVD-R
 CD-ROM Track List (1 - 1)
  #: MSF   LSNType   Green? Copy?
  1: 00:02:00  00 data   false  no
 ++ WARN: number of minutes (501) truncated to 99.
 170: 99:24:74  447224 leadout (1003 MB raw, 873 MB formatted)
 __**
 CD An   alysis Report
 CD-ROM with ISO 9660 filesystem and joliet extension level 3
 ISO 9660: 2256224 blocks, label `GOSHA_DOCUMENTS '
 Application: NERO BURNING ROM
 Preparer   :
 Publisher  :
 System :
 Volume : GOSHA_DOCUMENTS
 Volume Set :
 ~$


 and one that OpenBSD shows SFNs for:

 ~$ cd-info --dvd
 [snip common drive info]

 Disc mode is listed as: DVD-R
 CD-ROM Track List (1 - 1)
  #: MSF   LSNType   Green? Copy?
  1: 00:02:00  00 data   false  no
 ++ WARN: number of minutes (507) truncated to 99.
 170: 99:16:26  446576 leadout (1001 MB raw, 872 MB formatted)
 __**
 CD Analysis Report
 ISO 9660: 2279017 blocks, label `G Save B 6  '
 Application: EASY CD CREATOR 6.0 (171) COPYRIGHT (C) 1999-2003 ROXIO, INC.
 Preparer   :
 Publisher  :
 System :
 Volume : G Save B 6
 Volume Set :
 UDF: version 0.00


 and another:

 Disc mode is listed as: DVD-R
 CD-ROM Track List (1 - 1)
  #: MSF   LSNType   Green? Copy?
  1: 00:02:00  00 data   false  no
 ++ WARN: number of minutes (505) truncated to 99.
 170: 99:57:63  449688 leadout (1008 MB raw, 878 MB formatted)
 __**
 CD Analysis Report
 ISO 9660: 2269454 blocks, label `G Save B 7  '
 Application: 

Re: Compiling R from source

[Richard Thornton]

Thats a great tip.  Thanks.
On Feb 8, 2012 5:32 AM, Zi Loff zel...@zeloff.org wrote:

 Just in case Richard Thornton is still listening, on OpenBSD 5.0 (i386)
 I managed to compile R properly using the aforementioned patch to the
 tre sources and passing '--with-cairo=no' as configure option.

 If you don't drop Cairo, R will be built all the same, but the first
 time you try to plot something R will crash due to some mess with
 libgthread.
 Passing -pthread as a CFLAG or LDFLAG will break configure's detection of
 jpeg and tiff capabilities and on top of that make will fail altogether.

 As for the rest of the list, I'll try to find out who's behind the R
 port and openbsd-wip on githup and offer the information I was able to
 gather. I don't have the skills or the understanding of OpenBSD's libs
 and such to be able to properly fix this... If anyone has any pointers
 on the gthr / pthread stuff in general though, I'll be glad to help.

Compiling R from source

[Richard Thornton]

Using OpenBSD 5 on an old sparc 64 sun blade, I am trying to compile R from
source, downloaded from the cran-r website;
The ./configure works, but make always fails.  I realize that there is a R
package available already but it is a 2008 version, and it has terrible
graphics, anyone have a more recent port for sparc64?

adding icewm

[Richard Thornton]

How do I add this window manager?

RT

Re: sparc64/164226: Data corruption on 9.0-RELEASE when reading from CDROM

[Richard Thornton]

I have no idea what that even is.
On Jan 27, 2012 4:56 PM, Marius Strobl mar...@alchemy.franken.de wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 04:52:33PM -0500, Richard Thornton wrote:
  Openbsd sparc64 installs flawlessly
 

 Does it also use ATA_CAM?

 Marius

sparc64 5.0

[Richard Thornton]

Now that I have it setup with the correct package path, etc, I am finding
out 5.0 is much better than 4.9 was;

Someone recently told me that Solaris uses SMI labels on its disks, is this
the same with OpenBSD?


RT

Re: OpenBSD 5.0-current (GENERIC) #65: Thu Nov 3 00:58:36 MDT 2011

[Richard Thornton]

Nick, Do you ever lighten up?  Were you the guy correcting the professor every 
few minutes annoying everyone? Seriously!  What happened to you?!  My 
background is Solaris and SuSE, not OpenBSD, but when Solaris 9 failed to 
format my disks thus rendering my old blade a brick, I was in a panic.  My 
research turned up openbsd for sparc64 and I came to openbsd in 11/2011 for the 
first time in my life and burned what I thought was the release version of 5.0, 
kernel #65 without understanding you run concurrent versions and it is user 
beware and of course I burned the wrong one for my application, but yesterday I 
finally realised my mistake, hence all of my package problems. 

I burned the release disk, which has a 8/2011 timestamp and packages are adding 
fine since my path reference is now in sync.  This reply is an epilogue only, I 
will refrain from further intrusion in your precious inbox.
   

Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote:

On 01/20/12 13:43, Richard Thornton wrote:
 Eureka!  You were right, I was using the *wrong* 5.0 release..

You keep using words...that do not mean what you think they mean.

PLEASE read and understand FAQ5.1.  Its really, really important.

Nick.

Re: OpenBSD 5.0-current (GENERIC) #65: Thu Nov 3 00:58:36 MDT 2011

[Richard Thornton]

One other thing which I forgot to add to my last email, my father always
used to remind me that there are no stupid questions,  but it appears to
me that your openbsd group does not hold to that adage.
Most questions are judged as being some level of stupid and the person
who asked the stupid question is judged accordingly.  One is either
lazy or can't read, or too stupid to read the very well written
FAQS, etc..

Whatever, so you guys have a great OS for yourselves.  Excellent.



On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote:

 On Jan 21 09:44:14, Richard Thornton wrote:
  Let me make it crystal clear for you since I realize English is not your
  native tongue.  I d/l #65

 No you didn't. Really. There is no way to go and download #65.
 There is no such thing as OpenBSD #65.

 What you most probably did is you downloaded current; specifically,
 5.0-current that was built on Nov 3, as your subject line suggests;
 which happened to be the 65th build, which is a number that doesn't
 mean shit except when tracking down exactly which build along the
 way introduced exactly which functionality (or bug).

  thinking from what I read on the MAIN PAGE OF
  OPENBSD.ORG BACK 12 weeks ago about 1am that it IN FACT IT WAS THE
 VERSION
  SHIPPED OUT

 Again: shipped out? What do you even mean by that? Every build
 of OpenBSD is shipped out. You mean RELEASE, right? (Except
 you still don't know what a release is.)

 So tell me: where exactly on the main page of www.openbsd.org
 did you get the impression that what you download from the
 snapshots directory (because that is, and nowhere else,
 is where you get the -current builds) is the 5.0 release?

 No really: where? Give me a link, show me a quote saying
 or at least suggesting that. You can't.

 Meanwhile, see if you can grasp this link and quote:

http://www.openbsd.org/50.html (linked from the frontpage)
Go to the pub/OpenBSD/5.0/ directory on one of the mirror sites.

 Really. It says so, in RED LETTERS.


  because none of you know how to write.

 Besides the above, completely unambigous, simple instruction,
 there is these four_fucking_lines at the very start of FAQ5.1
 (which you haven't read):

 There are three flavors of OpenBSD:
 -release: The version of OpenBSD shipped every six months on CD.
 -stable: Release, plus patches considered critical to security and
 reliability.
 -current: Where new development work is presently being
 done, and eventually, it will turn into the next release.


 What on earth confuses you in that?
 It's not that Nick Holland can't write.
 You can't read, or cannot be bothered to.

 What it boils down to is that you downloaded an install ISO
 from snapshots, instead of downloading an install ISO from 5.0,
 not knowing what that means.

 BTW, you are probably better off with the build you downloaded,
 as 5.0-current #65 was built on Nov 3, while the 5.0-release was built
 from code frozen at 8/2011 (you say). That's three months of development.


  THE FUCKING OS INSTALLED AND I WAS SO HAPPY I ACTUALLY SENT MONEY.

 That's the expected thing, but you are actually one of the few who did
 that.

  Only this past week did I find the folder on your servers
  that stored the shipped version.

 Yes; only after people explained it to you on the mailing list
 did you realize that there is -release and there is -current,
 and there is a directory containing each on the FTP mirrors,
 and there is a different repository for the packages of each.

 This is very carefully explained in the FAQ that you haven't read.

  Between then and now I read all pertinent docs,

 Such as Go to the pub/OpenBSD/5.0/ directory on one of the mirror sites.?
 No you haven't. Or you did, at 1am, when you wasn't actually conscious
 (which
 happens to admins, but now you are blaming the excelent OpenBSD
 documentation
 for it).

  but trust me,  I will never send
  another FUCKING DIME TO YOUR ORG AGAIN!!!

 Their org. I am a user, like you. Very happy user,
 like you are gonna be when you familiarize yourself with it.

Welcome

Jan



  And I will refrain from joining the New York BSD group because as far as
 I
  can tell to date,  you all are a bunch of 4 pi r-squared assholes.

  On Jan 21, 2012 9:25 AM, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote:
 
 On Jan 21 07:18:37, Richard Thornton wrote:
  It works for me now.  I don't care about your precious FAQS.

 You are not supposed to care about them.

 You are supposed to read at least the absolute basics if you
 have trouble even figuring out which version you are installing.
  
   On Jan 21 08:54:49, Richard Thornton wrote:
How do you know I did not read any docs?  The fact is I did but I
 did not
under stand that version#65 was not in fact the release found on the
prepackaged disk.
  
  
   These are the very first lines of FAQ 5.1:
  
   
   There are three flavors of OpenBSD:
  
   -release: The version of OpenBSD

Re: OpenBSD 5.0-current (GENERIC) #65: Thu Nov 3 00:58:36 MDT 2011

[Richard Thornton]

Eureka!  You were right, I was using the *wrong* 5.0 release..

Richard



On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net wrote:

 On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:50:08AM -0500, Richard Thornton wrote:

  Is this the most recent current version for sparc64 and does this imply
  that I have the true current kernel running, thus my PKG_PATH should be
  set to pull for the current set of packages?

 You are mistaken. Latets snapshots are dated Jan 18 and are at
 5.1-beta. Simply take a look at ftp.openbsd.org

 BTW, there is no such thing as a current snapshot, with tens or even
 hundreds of commits per day. While a snap is copied out, it is already
 out of date.

-Otto

Re: error report when installing gnome on openbsd 5.0

[Richard Thornton]

so

 PKG_PATH = ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.0/packages/sparc64/
export PKG_PATH

will that AUTOMATICALLY use correct psackages for sparc64 on a CLEAN (from
the CDROM 11/2011)
5.0 install





On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.orgwrote:

 On 2012/01/19 10:09, lbvvbooo lbvvbooo wrote:
  Thanks, problem resolved, use s...@spacehopper.org's method.
 
  It seems really tricky for me. why? Is it because the package is
  looking for it's dependence firstly in the pkg_path folder? Great
  appreciation if provide a short explaination.

 The packages for different releases are not the same

 $ curl -s
 http://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.6/packages/i386/gnugetopt-1.1.4p2.tgz|
  md5 -
 b2c225c1fb02e434515bf66fc5221115

 $ pkg_info -q -S
 http://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.6/packages/i386/gnugetopt-1.1.4p2.tgz
 gnugetopt-1.1.4p2,c.51.0,gettext-0.17p0,iconv.6.0,intl.4.0,libiconv-1.13

 ...and...

 $ curl -s
 http://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.0/packages/i386/gnugetopt-1.1.4p2.tgz|
  md5 -
 11c4c0dd6cfc523236174d93077942b0

 $ pkg_info -q -S
 http://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.0/packages/i386/gnugetopt-1.1.4p2.tgz

 gnugetopt-1.1.4p2,c.60.1,gettext-0.18.1p0,iconv.6.0,intl.5.0,libiconv-1.13p2


 When you installed from the downloaded files, you only had the 4.6 version
 of
 gnugetopt-1.1.4p2.tgz available

 (BTW I miscalculated, your problem package is from 4.6 not 4.5)

OpenBSD 5.0-current (GENERIC) #65: Thu Nov 3 00:58:36 MDT 2011

[Richard Thornton]

Is this the most recent current version for sparc64 and does this imply
that I have the true current kernel running, thus my PKG_PATH should be
set to pull for the current set of packages?

Re: claimed 5.0 problems on sparc64 (was Re: Upgrading AMD64 4.9-stable to 5.0)

[Richard Thornton]

I a clean 5.0 install on my sun blade today;  I setup the ports folder as
the documentation says to do, and I setup my PKG_PATH variable using a
Chicago mirror;  trying to add via the command pkg_add -i gnome-session
yields immediate errors looking for a c library level 60 or 61, not sure
which, but it needs it I am sure to install the package.  I used the
vanillia CD straight off the openbsd website for sparc64.

Not sure what your suggestions will be, but this is not what the docs claim
will be the case.


On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Richard Thornton 
thornton.rich...@gmail.com wrote:

 I used the advice from the blog called gab software.  Perhaps he was
 wrong.   I am willing to reinstall.  I have no personal data to lose on
 this old box.



 Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote:


 On 12/19/11 14:39, Stuart Henderson wrote:
  On 2011-12-19, Richard Thornton thornton.rich...@gmail.com wrote:
  Do a simple clean 5.0 install.  One would assume any browser package in
 the
  packages folder would install. None do for me on sparc, but with a clean
  4.9 install all 4.9 packages install.  I am not a Unix specialist by any
  means but I do know how to type pkg_add .
 
  Please send a mail to ports@ detailing exactly what you are doing (what
  you're typing, what PKG_PATH is set to if you're using it, the contents
  of /etc/pkg.conf if you're using that) and what output you see.
 
  This is the first I've heard of any major problem with 5.0 release
  packages on any arch, if there is a problem obviously we need to know
  what went wrong so we can avoid it happening in future, but before
  digging into that we need to first rule out incorrect procedure.

 Don't bother, he's doing something very wrong.  This is a PEBKAC
 diagnostic issue, not an OpenBSD issue.

 Just happened to have a blade100 (the machine he named) sitting here,
 just loaded it up, but not into production yet, so blew it away (it was
 at -current, of course) and did exactly what he said:

 * simple 5.0 install from CD (only non-default was to use ntpd)
 * set PKG_PATH to my local mirror
 * pkg_add xxxterm
 * pkg_add firefox36 (didn't seem to be newer ones for sparc64)
 * pkg_add dillo
 * pkg_add conkeror
 * pkg_add midori
 * pkg_add kazehakase
 * pkg_add links+2.2p2
 * pkg_add elinks
 * pkg_add w3m-0.5.3
 * pkg_add links  FINALLY! an error!  conflict with links+.  Package
 management system worked fine :)

 Other than links after links+, all installed fine.

 Starting them all at the same time on a blade100 with only 512M RAM was
 not my most productive move, but they all seemed to be trying to work,
 until something ran out of something and X blew me back to a command
 prompt :)

 (I gotta play with some of these alternate browsers)

 Personally, I think he's screwing up between sparc and sparc64.  He's
 being VERY sloppy with the platform name_s_ in his posting, so I suspect
 it is safe to assume he's doing that elsewhere.

 Nick.

Re: claimed 5.0 problems on sparc64 (was Re: Upgrading AMD64 4.9-stable to 5.0)

[Richard Thornton]

keeps looking for library c.60.1  which does not exist in a vanilla 5.0
install.



On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Nick Holland
n...@holland-consulting.netwrote:

 On 12/19/11 14:39, Stuart Henderson wrote:
  On 2011-12-19, Richard Thornton thornton.rich...@gmail.com wrote:
  Do a simple clean 5.0 install.  One would assume any browser package in
 the
  packages folder would install. None do for me on sparc, but with a clean
  4.9 install all 4.9 packages install.  I am not a Unix specialist by any
  means but I do know how to type pkg_add .
 
  Please send a mail to ports@ detailing exactly what you are doing (what
  you're typing, what PKG_PATH is set to if you're using it, the contents
  of /etc/pkg.conf if you're using that) and what output you see.
 
  This is the first I've heard of any major problem with 5.0 release
  packages on any arch, if there is a problem obviously we need to know
  what went wrong so we can avoid it happening in future, but before
  digging into that we need to first rule out incorrect procedure.

 Don't bother, he's doing something very wrong.  This is a PEBKAC
 diagnostic issue, not an OpenBSD issue.

 Just happened to have a blade100 (the machine he named) sitting here,
 just loaded it up, but not into production yet, so blew it away (it was
 at -current, of course) and did exactly what he said:

 * simple 5.0 install from CD (only non-default was to use ntpd)
 * set PKG_PATH to my local mirror
 * pkg_add xxxterm
 * pkg_add firefox36 (didn't seem to be newer ones for sparc64)
 * pkg_add dillo
 * pkg_add conkeror
 * pkg_add midori
 * pkg_add kazehakase
 * pkg_add links+2.2p2
 * pkg_add elinks
 * pkg_add w3m-0.5.3
 * pkg_add links  FINALLY! an error!  conflict with links+.  Package
 management system worked fine :)

 Other than links after links+, all installed fine.

 Starting them all at the same time on a blade100 with only 512M RAM was
 not my most productive move, but they all seemed to be trying to work,
 until something ran out of something and X blew me back to a command
 prompt :)

 (I gotta play with some of these alternate browsers)

 Personally, I think he's screwing up between sparc and sparc64.  He's
 being VERY sloppy with the platform name_s_ in his posting, so I suspect
 it is safe to assume he's doing that elsewhere.

 Nick.

Re: claimed 5.0 problems on sparc64 (was Re: Upgrading AMD64 4.9-stable to 5.0)

[Richard Thornton]

OpenBSD 5.0-current (GENERIC) #65: Thu Nov  3 00:58:36 MDT 2011

Welcome to OpenBSD: The proactively secure Unix-like operating system.

Please use the sendbug(1) utility to report bugs in the system.
Before reporting a bug, please try to reproduce it with the latest
version of the code.  With bug reports, please try to ensure that
enough information to reproduce the problem is enclosed, and if a
known fix for it exists, include that as well.

$
$
$
$ cat rprofile.txt
# $OpenBSD: dot.profile,v 1.9 2010/12/13 12:54:31 millert Exp $
#
# sh/ksh initialization

PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin
export PATH
: ${HOME='/root'}
export HOME
PKG_PATH=
ftp://openbsd.mirror.frontiernet.net/pub/OpenBSD/5.0/packages/sparc64/
export PKG_PATH

umask 022

case $- in
*i*)# interactive shell
if [ -x /usr/bin/tset ]; then
if [ X$XTERM_VERSION = X ]; then
eval `/usr/bin/tset -sQ '-munknown:?vt220' $TERM`
else
eval `/usr/bin/tset -IsQ '-munknown:?vt220' $TERM`
fi
fi
;;
esac
$login as: rthornto
rthornto@68.197.72.59's password:
OpenBSD 5.0-current (GENERIC) #65: Thu Nov  3 00:58:36 MDT 2011

Welcome to OpenBSD: The proactively secure Unix-like operating system.

Please use the sendbug(1) utility to report bugs in the system.
Before reporting a bug, please try to reproduce it with the latest
version of the code.  With bug reports, please try to ensure that
enough information to reproduce the problem is enclosed, and if a
known fix for it exists, include that as well.

$
$
$
$ cat rprofile.txt
# $OpenBSD: dot.profile,v 1.9 2010/12/13 12:54:31 millert Exp $
#
# sh/ksh initialization

PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin
export PATH
: ${HOME='/root'}
export HOME
PKG_PATH=
ftp://openbsd.mirror.frontiernet.net/pub/OpenBSD/5.0/packages/sparc64/
export PKG_PATH

umask 022

case $- in
*i*)# interactive shell
if [ -x /usr/bin/tset ]; then
if [ X$XTERM_VERSION = X ]; then
eval `/usr/bin/tset -sQ '-munknown:?vt220' $TERM`
else
eval `/usr/bin/tset -IsQ '-munknown:?vt220' $TERM`
fi
fi
;;
esac
$ clear
$ ls
gnome-session.txt rprofile.txt
$ cat gnome-session.txt
| /usr/lib/libc.so.61.0 (system): bad major
| /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.53.0 (system): bad major
$


On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Bryan Irvine sparcta...@gmail.com wrote:

 By lack of info they mean you aren't providing near enough to come to
 any conclusion at all.

 Please paste the output from the following:

 dmesg, echo $PKG_PATH, pkg_info, pkg_add -i gnome-session



 On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Richard Thornton
 thornton.rich...@gmail.com wrote:
  keeps looking for library c.60.1  which does not exist in a vanilla 5.0
  install.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Nick Holland
  n...@holland-consulting.netwrote:
 
  On 12/19/11 14:39, Stuart Henderson wrote:
   On 2011-12-19, Richard Thornton thornton.rich...@gmail.com wrote:
   Do a simple clean 5.0 install.  One would assume any browser package
 in
  the
   packages folder would install. None do for me on sparc, but with a
 clean
   4.9 install all 4.9 packages install.  I am not a Unix specialist by
 any
   means but I do know how to type pkg_add .
  
   Please send a mail to ports@ detailing exactly what you are doing
 (what
   you're typing, what PKG_PATH is set to if you're using it, the
 contents
   of /etc/pkg.conf if you're using that) and what output you see.
  
   This is the first I've heard of any major problem with 5.0 release
   packages on any arch, if there is a problem obviously we need to know
   what went wrong so we can avoid it happening in future, but before
   digging into that we need to first rule out incorrect procedure.
 
  Don't bother, he's doing something very wrong.  This is a PEBKAC
  diagnostic issue, not an OpenBSD issue.
 
  Just happened to have a blade100 (the machine he named) sitting here,
  just loaded it up, but not into production yet, so blew it away (it was
  at -current, of course) and did exactly what he said:
 
  * simple 5.0 install from CD (only non-default was to use ntpd)
  * set PKG_PATH to my local mirror
  * pkg_add xxxterm
  * pkg_add firefox36 (didn't seem to be newer ones for sparc64)
  * pkg_add dillo
  * pkg_add conkeror
  * pkg_add midori
  * pkg_add kazehakase
  * pkg_add links+2.2p2
  * pkg_add elinks
  * pkg_add w3m-0.5.3
  * pkg_add links  FINALLY! an error!  conflict with links+.  Package
  management system worked fine :)
 
  Other than links after links+, all installed fine.
 
  Starting them all at the same time on a blade100 with only 512M RAM was
  not my most productive move, but they all seemed to be trying to work,
  until something ran out of something and X blew me back to a command
  prompt :)
 
  (I gotta

Re: Where do I buy Lemote Loongson/Godson MIPS hardware? (was Re: Longsoon/Godson MIPS boxes, where to buy?)

[Richard Thornton]

they seem to be well made but debian linux is unstable.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Chris Cappuccio ch...@nmedia.net wrote:

 It anyone wants to go right to Lemote and start selling on Amazon or
 direct in your area, they were priced at $280/ea in 10 qty about 2 years
 ago.
 So they're probably much cheaper now. And it sounds like they ship in
 single qty now, too.

 Johan Beisser [j...@caustic.org] wrote:
  On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Dave U. Random
  anonym...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net wrote:
   Are the Longson/Godson MIPS boxes available over the counter yet? If so
   where is the best place to order one? Thanks.
 
  A brief search of the archives gives a few resources. Spelling the
  architecture right helps, but searching for lemote does wonders.
 
  Start reading here:
  http://openbsd.org/loongson.html
 
  Relevant threads on misc@:
  http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscw=2r=1s=lemoteq=b
  http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscw=2r=1s=loongsonq=b
 
  Acquiring hardware:
 
  International:
  http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=loongsoncatId=0
  http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=lemotecatId=0
 
  In China (drop shipment to a forwarder may be necessary):
  http://loogson.taobao.com/
 
  In Europe:
  http://www.tekmote.nl
 
  In the US, Amazon has a direct sales from Freedom Included. Prime
 eligible.
 
 http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8search-alias=computersfield-manufacturer=Lemote
  http://freedomincluded.com/
 
 
  Compiled for the archives, YMMV..
 
  Special thanks to Miod, Diana and others for their postings.

 --
 There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
 mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - E. Hemingway

Re: Longsoon/Godson MIPS boxes, where to buy?

[Richard Thornton]

You need some fucking valium.
On Jan 2, 2012 12:17 PM, Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote:

  1) you have no idea what it costs them to make one

 And you do, right?

  2) pure production cost isn't the entire picture

 Why not? They're using their own chip design. I doubt they pay MIPS.inc for
 a license but maybe they do. So what? A license costs 200 dollars per unit?
 I don't think so.

  3) they are free to ask for any price they want. you are free to not
 buy their stuff.

 So why are you and your butt buddies arguing so hard? I feel the price is
 too high, but that is only based on reality. If you buy your cred by having
 new or odd stuff then I understand why you feel like paying whatever they
 gouge you for.

  4) watch your tongue. miod is actually the one who writes the code you
 want to run. miod being the target or someone else, the behaviour
 you've shown so far isn't in the range i call acceptable.

 I have nothing against miod, I have no idea who/what that is. How do you
 know what I want to run? I'm just looking for cheap MIPS boxes. And I don't
 give a shit what you call acceptable. Fuck yourself and have a good time.

   Since you have advice for me, let me share some for you. Mind your own
   fucking business. I really don't give a shit that you don't think a
   restricted distribution network and price controls are fine. Most of
 the
   rest of us don't agree.
 
  oh, you're speaking for most of us. how could I miss that!

 No, asshole, what you missed is most people who buy things don't appreciate
 restricted distribution networks and price controls. If you do good for
 you. Amazing how you're against Windows marketing for the same tactics I'm
 against Lemote's marketing but somehow for me it's wrong but for you it's
 ok. Monopoly is monopoly and price fixing is price fixing whether you you
 have buddies on the inside or not.

  asking the people whom's work you rely on to go away is the behaviour
  of a true genius.

 You're making a lot of assumptions and so far none of them are correct. I
 don't rely on anyone's work. I asked a simple question and certain
 motherfuckers like yourself feel the need to add noise to the thread
 instead
 of letting it die. Somebody could have said as far as I know the price
 hasn't come down at all since 2008 and there is no reduction in sight.
 Instead you motherfuckers are lecturing me on why I should pay 200 or
 250 bucks for 5 dollars worth of slave-labor hardware as if you're all
 shareholders. That's funny. Then you, asshole, accuse me of badmouthing
 miod
 whoever/whatever that is, and if he isn't the one making 245 bucks per
 unit,
 I have nothing against him/it and nothing I've ever said would lead anyone
 to believe otherwise.

 I don't believe in paying top dollar to some shop in Europe just so they
 can
 make a few thousand percent markup on a unit when the guys who actually
 make
 them get paid enough for a half of bag of rice per month. I don't give a
 shit what connections you have or why you think I should enrich your
 buddies
 but it ain't going to happen. It's not a boutique item or a collectable,
 it's just a low-end MIPS box. When the mini hits 50 bucks I'll buy a
 bunch. Until then, that's TOO FUCKING HIGH!!! Got it, asshole?

 I'll say to you what I said to the previous motherfucker who felt it
 necessary to impress me with his vast lack of knowledge on actually
 answering the question: go fuck yourself. Bye asshole!

Re: Longsoon/Godson MIPS boxes, where to buy?

[Richard Thornton]

What is the point of this thread?  Huh?  MIPS licenses the technology to a
Chinese fabricator;  They make the chips and they are used in a very open
source netbook which Lemote happens to sell.;  Stallman himself uses one.
From his perspective, from an article I read, he stated he uses one because
the BIOS is open source.  A company in China has come out with a MIPS based
Android tablet for $100.  Perhaps you should consider that instead?


On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote:

  These words you keep on using... I don't think they mean what you think
  they mean.

 That's ok because I'm the one who keeps on using them, not you. But I
 meant what I wrote just so you know.

  Noone is holding you at gunpoint until you are buying a Lemote device.

 No but the factory is making sure only limited dealers can sell them. I
 smell a rat.

  If you consider them too expensive for what you think they are worth,
  it's fine. But don't tell people their prices are ``holding people in
  hostage''. Thanks.

 Oh, so you are one of the people holding people hostage by limiting
 distribution and you're just not admitting it?

 Or you're just an argumentative sonofabitch and for some reason you believe
 it's your responsibility to police the net for certain types of posts and
 align yourself with those who gouge people on slave labor technology? After
 all it costs them about 5 bucks to actually make it. Pardon me I am not
 rushing to pay 250 dollars. That seems excessive as I have said.

 Since you have advice for me, let me share some for you. Mind your own
 fucking business. I really don't give a shit that you don't think a
 restricted distribution network and price controls are fine. Most of the
 rest of us don't agree.

 Now go away..

Re: Longsoon/Godson MIPS boxes, where to buy?

[Richard Thornton]

most netbooks with Intel Atom retail in the $250 to $400 range;  what's
your damage?

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) 
mixmas...@remailer.privacy.at wrote:

  i saw them on face book and amazon also 250  500 us dollars

 Like Kurt Russell said, That's TOO FUCKING HIGH!!!

 When they start selling them for a fair price let's say 50 bucks for the
 black box and maybe 150 for a loaded laptop then it's time to buy. Until
 then, tekmote isn't getting my business.

Re: I want buy labtop ,work OpenBSD, wireless network must work

[Richard Thornton]

buy an i3 instead, but what is the deign flaw which cannot be fixed via
microcode updates?

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:16 PM, STeve Andre' and...@msu.edu wrote:

 On 12/30/11 21:23, Kevin Chadwick wrote:

 On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 04:42:43 -0500
 STeve Andre' wrote:

  It's not the newest model, but the W500 is a wonderful laptop.  I
 am using it now.  2.8G core two

 Should that be w500 with dual core. Core two duos have botched microcode
 with security risks according to Theo, though I'm not sure of the
 specifics/severity.


  Yes, W500's do have that potential problem.  It's a real issue,
 which makes me think that not running Windows is a grand
 idea.  I'm not sure there is a solution to this.  Laptops are
 special--you can't take parts out or add them as easily as a
 desktop.  *sigh*

 --STeve Andre'

Re: claimed 5.0 problems on sparc64 (was Re: Upgrading AMD64 4.9-stable to 5.0)

[Richard Thornton]

I used the advice from the blog called gab software.  Perhaps he was wrong.   I 
am willing to reinstall.  I have no personal data to lose on this old box.

Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote:

On 12/19/11 14:39, Stuart Henderson wrote:
 On 2011-12-19, Richard Thornton thornton.rich...@gmail.com wrote:
 Do a simple clean 5.0 install.  One would assume any browser package in the
 packages folder would install. None do for me on sparc, but with a clean
 4.9 install all 4.9 packages install.  I am not a Unix specialist by any
 means but I do know how to type pkg_add .

 Please send a mail to ports@ detailing exactly what you are doing (what
 you're typing, what PKG_PATH is set to if you're using it, the contents
 of /etc/pkg.conf if you're using that) and what output you see.
 
 This is the first I've heard of any major problem with 5.0 release
 packages on any arch, if there is a problem obviously we need to know
 what went wrong so we can avoid it happening in future, but before
 digging into that we need to first rule out incorrect procedure.

Don't bother, he's doing something very wrong.  This is a PEBKAC
diagnostic issue, not an OpenBSD issue.

Just happened to have a blade100 (the machine he named) sitting here,
just loaded it up, but not into production yet, so blew it away (it was
at -current, of course) and did exactly what he said:

* simple 5.0 install from CD (only non-default was to use ntpd)
* set PKG_PATH to my local mirror
* pkg_add xxxterm
* pkg_add firefox36 (didn't seem to be newer ones for sparc64)
* pkg_add dillo
* pkg_add conkeror
* pkg_add midori
* pkg_add kazehakase
* pkg_add links+2.2p2
* pkg_add elinks
* pkg_add w3m-0.5.3
* pkg_add links  FINALLY! an error!  conflict with links+.  Package
management system worked fine :)

Other than links after links+, all installed fine.

Starting them all at the same time on a blade100 with only 512M RAM was
not my most productive move, but they all seemed to be trying to work,
until something ran out of something and X blew me back to a command
prompt :)

(I gotta play with some of these alternate browsers)

Personally, I think he's screwing up between sparc and sparc64.  He's
being VERY sloppy with the platform name_s_ in his posting, so I suspect
it is safe to assume he's doing that elsewhere.

Nick.

Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?

[Richard Thornton]

Fritz Wuehler wrote:

diana
 

Hey diana, how about a fucking blowjob? You're not good for anything else so
let's see how you are at that.

   

Am I missing something here?  fucking(blowjob(*p)) ?

Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?

[Richard Thornton]

Try www.tekmote.nl


Richard



On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote:

 The prices at the official European shop in the Netherlands are sky high.
 I thought this was supposed to be a 150 dollar PC. Does anybody have a good
 cheap source for these or other MIPS boxes? Thanks.

Re: Narcicism?

[Richard Thornton]

I came to openbsd only recently trying to find a modern OS which will run on my 
old sun blade 100.  I wanted to use a linux but the only current linux for 
sparc64 is debian 6.03 and it seems incompatible with the rage xl video on the 
sun blade  giving me out of sync errors.  Openbsd seems to have  better drivers 
since it works fine.  R will not work though and this annoys me.  Also no 
recent browser support.  Seamonkey 2.04 is old.

Daniel Bolgheroni dan...@cria.org.br wrote:

On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 02:25:06AM +1100, John Tate wrote:

 I'm 24 years old. I was a Linux hacker since I was 13. I am a bit of a guru
 and do my own Kerberos and such on an all BSD/Linux network. OpenBSD and
 Debian Linux. I love OpenBSD, I'm a bit weird because I use bash. I can put
 up with being made fun of. At 13 I didn't just start learning Linux I
 started learning C++ as well. I failed to apprehend it properly at that
 age, but at an older age I relearned it well. I am the guru sort of guy, I
 know a hell of a lot but I'm still connecting it and in that sense still
 learning.

I feel strange everytime someone says they love OpenBSD.

-- 
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.

Re: Narcicism?

[Richard Thornton]

Not looking for free support or any support.  This box is merely a toy.  I
have two laptops both 64 bit for serious work.
On Dec 2, 2011 6:34 AM, Rudolf Leitgeb rudolf.leit...@gmx.at wrote:

 Am Freitag, 2. Dezember 2011, 06:13:42 schrieb Richard Thornton:
  I came to openbsd only recently trying to find a modern OS which will
 run on
  my old sun blade 100.  I wanted to use a linux but the only current linux
  for sparc64 is debian 6.03 and it seems incompatible with the rage xl
 video
  on the sun blade  giving me out of sync errors.  Openbsd seems to have
  better drivers since it works fine.  R will not work though and this
 annoys
  me.  Also no recent browser support.  Seamonkey 2.04 is old.

 And in common tradition hoardes of OpenBSD devs shall come to the rescue
 and spend hours of unpaid time so you won't have to spend US$300 on
 a new computer. :rolleyes:

Re: Narcicism?

[Richard Thornton]

All this talk about who is a bigger hacker is like muscle flexing in the
mirror.
On Dec 2, 2011 4:29 PM, David Riley fraveyd...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Dec 2, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote:

  On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:11 PM, David Riley fraveyd...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  one has to know C before knowing C++
 
  Well, I don't know how it happens in US or Canada, but in Russia
  ordinarily people first learn C++, and then (may be) C. Yes, knowing
  C++ implies substantial knowledge of C, but the point still stands. He
  didn't say a word about C, which would have been more relevant, so I
  assume that he was exaggerating his involvement with Linux and
  hacking.

 The way it typically works in the US is that no one learns anything of any
 value unless they do it themselves. :-) Our high schools are still teaching
 Java as a first language in some cases, which hopefully in Russia gets you
 dragged out and shot.

 - Dave

Re: Narcicism?

[Richard Thornton]

I wonder how much c++ the Russian programmer from Goldman is doing these
days?!
On Dec 2, 2011 4:35 PM, Tekk t...@parlementum.net wrote:

 It's that way in the US too, afaict(C is 'deprecated')

 On Fri, 2 Dec 2011, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote:

  On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:11 PM, David Riley fraveyd...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 one has to know C before knowing C++


 Well, I don't know how it happens in US or Canada, but in Russia
 ordinarily people first learn C++, and then (may be) C. Yes, knowing
 C++ implies substantial knowledge of C, but the point still stands. He
 didn't say a word about C, which would have been more relevant, so I
 assume that he was exaggerating his involvement with Linux and
 hacking.

 --
 Dmitrij D. Czarkoff

Re: Narcicism?

[Richard Thornton]

I have known geniuses who were computer illiterate.
On Dec 1, 2011 5:58 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:

 like any other population, we have our parrots, non-thinkers, OCD,
 Bi-polar,
 stupid or the otherwise normal. we also have more than a few extremely
 intelligent people.

 one thing I have noticed (because I also suffer from it) is that more
 intelligent you are, the worse your interpersonal skills tend to be. mow, I
 happen to be fairly intelligent (somewhere north of the upper 130's) , but
 I
 am not so far above the normals that I can't understand them. I have known
 people so intelligent that they have virtually no understanding of how
 their
 fellow human beings work (and I can understand that position as well).

 the point I am  hoping to make is that we all have our quirks, behavioral
 problems and skills (and that is fine by me). all that is needed is a
 little
 understanding and a very thick skin.

 -eric

 On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:28 AM, John Tate wrote:

  I think I've found a bug in the OpenBSD crowd. They bug the hell out of
 me
  and my little mistakes.
 
  I am not talking about people who actually have a solution, but I can't
  seem to ask anything on this list without parrots coming along picking on
  me. I think some people just hang out here because it's the most anal
 bunch
  of hackers ever, in recorded history. What are your experiences?
 
  Is it true that occasionally we attract people who either love bullying
 or
  are just lazy and pretending to be one of the clever?
 
  It just figures some of these people sit on the list, and email you
 poorly
  researched crap with no answers contain.
 
  If you hate a question, it truly doesn't belong, bug me.
 
  But if you just can't answer a question, ignore it.
 
  John Tate.
 
  Note: Yes, it's not my list.
 
  --
  www.johntate.org

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[Richard Thornton]

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Re: Important OpenBSD errata

[Richard Thornton]

Hi

I have donated, my hard earned.  I don't involve myself commercially
in OBSD but I listen.

This is idiotic, a big hole was found and the devs pissed about
because they didn't want to admit it.

OBSD's strength is in being open, be open.

Move on and end this.

Theo, chill out.

Cheers
Rich


On 16/03/07, Martin Schrvder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

2007/3/16, Lars Hansson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 OpenBSD project isn't exactly overflowing with personell. But maybe
 Karl and Martin are volunteering to maintain security-announce.

I'd be willing to do that (forward erratas to security-announce), but
let's not forget that OpenBSD is a dictatorship, i.e. it's for Theo to
decide.

Best
   Martin

4.0 stable FTP client not working

[Richard Thornton]

Hi

I have a PC that I recently installed OpenBSD (OpenBSD
openbsd.acme.com 4.0 GENERIC.MP#936 i386) on, which is great stuff,
only problem I have is ftp does not work?

So i try ftp x.x.x.x and I see my PC in my firewall logs accessing
127.0.0.1:8021, is something to do with ftp-proxy?

This PC is a development firewall and should not act as an ftp proxy
(it is behind another pf firewall that does)

So, I have a single configured interface (em0) and everything but ftp
seems to work.

inetd.conf is set to defaults (no mention of ftp-proxy in there)
rc.conf is set to defaults
rc.conf.local
--pf=YES
--isakmpd_flags=-K
--ipsec=YES
pf.conf
--scrub in all
--pass log on em0 all keep state

Please help, my hunch is ftp-proxy but I cannot find a way to disable
it (if it is indeed anabled by default somewhere)?

Thanks for your time.

Cheers
Rich

Re: ipcomp

[Richard Thornton]

Thanks Jason,

Can someone tell me is ipcomp working, if so, how do I use it and does
it support deflate?

Cheers
Richard

On 23/01/07, Jason McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 01:04:51PM +1100, Richard Thornton wrote:

 Just trying to ascertain if ipcomp(4) is fully integrated with
 ipsecctl(8), if it is can someone detail the ipsec.conf(5) config to
 use it, also does it support RFC2394 IP Payload Compression Using
 DEFLATE?


i believe it is not, and if it is some kind ipsec developer will correct
me.

jmc

ipcomp

[Richard Thornton]

Hi

Just trying to ascertain if ipcomp(4) is fully integrated with
ipsecctl(8), if it is can someone detail the ipsec.conf(5) config to
use it, also does it support RFC2394 IP Payload Compression Using
DEFLATE?

Thanks for your time.

Kind Regards
Richard Thornton

OpenBSD dropping individual packets

[Richard Thornton]

Hi

OpenBSD rocks and I have donated to this great cause :-)

Hope you can help.  So I have the following setup:

 DMZ
|
|
LAN-OpenBSD/PF/Snort?--Internet

So in a nutshell I want to drop packets (not sessions) that match a IDS
signature after PF filtering.

So for example (PF is a Layer 3 filter):

1. A PF rule allows SMTP to the DMZ from the Internet
2. SMTP traffic is permitted by PF
3. IDS detects an attack packet that would be permitted by the above
rule
4. System (Snort) drops only the matching attack packets

So AFAIK flexresp, snortsam, snort2pf and guardian are out.

Snort has to be inline, which it is, so can I drop single packets after
PF filtering that match a signature?

Is this available currently, if so, how do I go about it, can something
be put together?

Thanks for your time.

Cheers
Richard