So have you sent these types of unrecommendations to other OS'
mailing lists or just OpenBSD's?
I generally don't raise the issue, and I did not raise it this time.
I did not start this discussion. I posted on this list because people
were making inaccurate statements about my
On Dec 14, 2007 1:49 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...I don't
criticize general facilities merely because someone could use them
to do things with non-free software.
Except in the case of the OpenBSD ports system.
This last week, Richard has only criticized OpenBSD.
They seem to be pretty new,
what did you recommend before these came onto the scene ? None of
these seemed to exist 8 years ago.
Nothing! For many years there was no system distribution I
could recommend to the public, and that is what I
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:19:06 -0600, Ken Ismert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
So, I ask you respectfully, Richard: what is your intent in
making your original comments, and starting this thread?
That would be the deciding factor for me.
Self aggrandizement has been RMS's only agenda for a
(Apologies for two replies to the same message.)
On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 05:23:22PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:19:06 -0600, Ken Ismert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BTW, gcc is crap and I pray everyday someone will come up
with a BSD licensed replacement (there was ipf
Yes, I grant you the right to use my software in any application you may
write and make money with, but I *DO NOT* grant you the right to modify my
license in any ways. See bellow if I would publish this:
If you use a BSD licence, you are allowing your code to be included in a
I see you are being your usual friendly self ;-}.
Yes, and you are being the usual slimy hypocritical asshole.
I really fail to see, how a response like this serves OpenBSD or any
other good purpose at all!
It serves our purposes to make it clear to peoepl that Richard's mission
to
On Dec 14, 2007 1:49 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The concept of relicensing does not imply changing or adding code, and
the legality of relicensing doesn't depend on changing or adding code.
However, I would urge people to relicense only if they make very big
changes.
* Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
* modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions
* are met:
^^^
* 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the
And the GPLv3? He was the puppet that sold it, but the text was
mostly written by a bunch of lawyers who will take care of it after
Richard dies. And they've made sure that there are holes in the
less-free GPLv3, and they will make a lot of money off those who
voilate the interpretation
Theo de Raadt wrote:
EVERYTHING code related that people thinks comes from the FSF today,
comes to us without Richard Stallman actually working on it. Richard
is just another random long haired hypocritical mouthpiece, who will
be known after his death as the original author of the C
Theo de Raadt wrote:
Richard seperated us out. Jack, don't go telling me that we may not
rail against Richard being a prick.
Well, no, you may. The problem is when two people sling poop on each other,
sooner or later it ends, and then all you've got is two guys standing
How does using non-free software, by your definition anything none
GPL'ed I gather, bring actual physical harm to anyone anywhere?
Physical harm is not the only kind of harm.
Losing your freedom is harm too. Social practices that lead
people into a life without freedom are harmful.
What I said was that I don't recommend OpenBSD because the ports
system suggests non-free programs.
On the bsd talk show you did not withhold your recommendation because
the ports system suggests non-free programs. No way, that's not what
you said on that show.
What actually happened is that
The Adobe flash plug-in is non-free software, and people should not
install it, or suggest installing it, or even tell people it exists.
so much for free speech.
Free speech means you are free to tell people about the Adobe flash
plug-in, and also free to decide not to tell
Is any work being done on rtl8187 wireless device? Is it going to be
included into 4.3 or 4.4?
No.
I have two usb wi-fi dongles: one based on zd1211 (it isn't picked up
by zyd driver, but works under linux) and another based on rtl8187. I
need to give away one of them, so I would like to
David Gwynne AKA loki received some itanic h/w after he indicated he
wanted to work on an itanic port. I'm sure he'll post something here,
eventually.
No, that hardware is still in England.
The RAM-disk kernel (bsd.rd) seems to be missing an SSH client.
Presumably that's been left out on purpose. Is there any reason beside
size that it is not included?
It is for installation, it is not not for general purpose use.
Years ago we told Sebastian Rother that we think he's a pest, and
we'll ignore everything he says.
Go away, Sebastian. The minute you report a bug, everyone else
will suffer for it.
I don't give care.
Get lost, little boy.
I didn't made this bug report. I just told you weeks ago that
Thanks. Since you didn't answer soon, and since I did get other info
about non-free software needed for OpenSolaris, I already asked for a
correction in the interview. I made it general so that I won't have
to go into these specifics. But I would like to know more about the
need for
Here is the real issue, Richard. You go off and endorse OpenSolaris
without knowing the facts. You get confronted with them and you change
history. Sound familiar?
What sounds familiar is the nasty spin you place on a minor confusion.
We are not spinning any facts.
Richard,
Richard, you are too stupid to go and learn FACTS before you open
your big fat lying mouth.
I am sure the readers can judge for themselves whether I am stupid.
They will certainly see I am not perfect. I had learned the facts
about OpenSolaris, but that was months before. By the
Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove [EMAIL PROTECTED]
from the cc's of your messages.
If you are going to flame rms, it is best to keep him cc'd.
From: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:48 PM
To: Openbsd Misc (E-mail)
Subject: Re: FW: Real men
I'm missing the bootloader interaction with OpenBSD 4.2 installed on a
compact flash card in this alix2c3. With the most recent bios from PC
Engines 0.99. If I strike any keys ( like boot -s) during the time when
the boot prompt should appear the system will not boot. If I wait it
boots
Don't worry. You can ask rms if your behaviour is ethical. He'll set
you straight, and tell you to stop working for those companies and
instead suckle off your McArthur Idiot grant.
On Jan 4, 2008 9:48 AM, Ioan Nemes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You confusing the issue! The software market -
This is the same with your recommended system GNU/Darwin:
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/index.php?page=ports
Who also contains instructions to install the such port system.
Thank you for telling me about this problem. I will talk with them
about this ASAP. I expect they will
In addition, I thought that OpenSolaris was just a kernel, but it
looks like the question had in mind a whole system. This
miscommunication has the effect of making my statement appear to be an
endorsement of a system.
Huh? OpenSolaris is just a kernel
That's
I actually prefer that it does continue.
I note that Richard also says that AROS is a free operating system.
Oh really? Did he not notice the web page where AROS includes
software which emulates an Amiga perfectly, and to do this talks
about stealing the ROM from a real Amiga machine?
Is
On 1/5/08, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does ReactOS recommend non-free software?
If so. please show me what it says, and the URL.
I have a better idea. Why don't you do your own fucking homework.
Oh come now. You can't expect a hypocrite to do homework that
undermines
A few of the interface related ioctl-based interfaces changed between
4.2 and -current. You are mixing a -current kernel with a release
userland. Of course some system utilities will break; it happens all
the time. If they did not, we'd not be able to make improvements to
OpenBSD.
What you are
Damien Miller d...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote:
Modified files:
usr.bin/ssh: myproposal.h
Log message:
prefer CTR modes and revised arcfour (i.e w/ discard) modes to CBC
modes; ok markus@
This means that ssh's default cipher will no longer profit from
hifn(4) or glxsb(4)
It would be nice if either Mark Kettenis or I could get an Expresscard
re(4) card (for testing). Thanks.
I want to remind everyone of two things
First, it is nice if you mail a dmesglog entry once in a while.
(dmesg | sysctl hw.sensors) | mail -s type of machine dm...@openbsd.org
Secondly, if you send the message as a MIME attachment, sorry, but it gets
deleted. We do not read the MIME
On 2009-01-10, Guillaume Thouvenin guillaume.thouve...@polymtl.ca wrote:
Now next step is to have wired network working and so add support to my
Attansic Technology L1E.
This chip is not yet supported in OpenBSD. N.B. it is not the same
as either Attansic L1 or L2.
Yes right. I
I've got a Sun V240 that crashes every time it tries to fsck /var
(sd0g in my case).
This happens on more than one of these machines and with more than 1 disk.
It doesn't matter if I run fsck in read-only mode, whenever it tries
to read from this partition it dumps.
It also happens if I
After watching the old i810(4) driver work fine for me, and seeing
all the bug reports on the new intel(4) driver, I've got this bad
feeling that nobody cared to test it on the older chipsets... i.e. they
are not getting paid to care about legacy support.
Would this be a correct assessment?
It's a shame I don't have this kind of luck with lottery tickets. I'm
able to reproduce the hang still using both -current and the latest
amd64 snap. To reproduce, I just continuously scp a large file to
another machine while 'apmd -C' is running. 'apmd -L', 'apmd -H', or
not running apmd works
Due to having a usage cap on my Internet connection (cellular), I don't
typically run -CURRENT, and I could find no mention of this question in
either faq4.html or current.html
When running -CURRENT snapshots, should we send in a new dmesg every
time we install a new snapshot?
When new
I mentioned this when I pre-ordered 4.4... I think folks thought that I was
joking. Do prizes for pre-orders. Nothing fancy just something like this:
1. First 50 pre-orders win a T-Shirt and Theo signs the CD case.
2. The 100th pre-order wins a coffee mug.
3. 200th
4. 300th
5. Do
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 2:34 PM, new_guy byte8b...@gmail.com wrote:
I mentioned this when I pre-ordered 4.4... I think folks thought that I was
joking. Do prizes for pre-orders. Nothing fancy just something like this:
1. First 50 pre-orders win a T-Shirt and Theo signs the CD case.
2.
Don't you guys get together few times a year for a marathon coding
session?
Yes, we get together to code.
Sign a dozen posters then and hold'em off 'til the next
release.
We don't get together to sign. And we don't have posters there. The
powers are in Milk River. Use google maps, see
After lots of very generous donations we today breached the required
amount!! Thank you very very much everyone who donated!!
The r200s have been ordered and the 2950 will be ordered later today.
Thanks again to everyone who participated,
I'd like to also extend my thanks, naturally.
Hi. What are my options for a well-supported 2-port PCI gigabit network
card? Are intel cards well-supported?
Absolutely. Except for a few very new models. We try to keep caught up,
though sometimes a few very rare ones slip through the cracks until the
next release (same thing will happen
Stuart Henderson(s...@spacehopper.org)@2009.03.04 02:11:41 +:
On 2009-03-03, Dan dan-openbsd-m...@ourbrains.org wrote:
Hi. What are my options for a well-supported 2-port PCI gigabit network
card? Are intel cards well-supported? Note I am looking for older PCI,
not PCI-E.
Ah, different semantics. :-) By default rules I mean whatever pf
does *without* an /etc/pf.conf. Probably something like block all.
Without any rules, pf does not block anything.
come on.. stop making assumptions.
The problem is that, I am not an administrator of the network.
I am a client of the network. The network is built on the unmanaged
switches.
ISP to the problem do not care, so interested in this patch. May you
help with patch on OpenBSD ?
The network is built wrong.
No, we will not
Have snapshots ceased now that 4.5 is in beta? Should I just be
updating my source tree and compiling to follow -current?
On a trip. Will start again soon.
How to use hier?
i have run this command
# hier
ksh: hier: not found
i try to
# man hier
i got the manual
but when i try to run hier, always say hier not found.
Something missing with my installation on OpenBSD 4.4
Yeah, it happens to me too:
# strcpy
ksh: strcpy: not
From a commit message an hour or so ago:
Disable future European orders since the distributor is way too far behind
in reconciling payments to the project for past sales, and years of trying
to resolve it have made very little progress.
Sorry guys.
Theo de Raadt escribis:
From a commit message an hour or so ago:
Disable future European orders since the distributor is way too far behind
in reconciling payments to the project for past sales, and years of trying
to resolve it have made very little progress.
Sorry guys
I'm sorry to hear this.
Yeah, and I'm sorry I had to announce it.
Do you have any advice for those who allready ordered? Or should we contact
the distributor?
Sorry, but I don't know that yet. We'll see, I suppose.
On Mar 24, 2009 11:57 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote
i guess this also means that you dont know about
a replacement company that would take up the gauntlet..
Maybe one will show up. Vacuums tend to do that.
how much is shipping from canada/us to europe?
Certainly more.
i guess in big cities where there are many openbsd people,
one order is
Enough CDs will be provided to kd85 to cover orders that were placed
through the order site. Only that amount of CDs will be provided to
kd85. No more.
In providing kd85 with enough for the direct orders, we are simply
trying to provide enough for the order requests which we feel we
handed
I've read this a few minutes ago. I'm not a developer, nor a security
specialist so I was wondering if that is a serious issue for Openbsd.
http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/core_bios.pdf
As far as I understood, they mention the Openbsd shadow files as being
vulnerable/exploitable to these kind of
i am sure it's more than easy to go through the papers
and show where my money went and see who is right.
that is all i am asking. more transparency in this open project.
Oh are you talking about donation money now? That's a different
thing. The main contention is about proceeds from the
I guess you should take a look at Systrace:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systrace
This was removed from NetBSD some time ago because it is vulnerable.
They said it's not only possible to circumvent it, but also gain root
using it. Is this fixed in OpenBSD somehow?
They freaked out
Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote:
export PARALLEL_BUILD=Yes
export MAKE_JOBS=4
N.B. this does not work with all ports.
Yep, does not work with all ports. And I still have stuff I need to fix
in make itself before we even think of fixing the ports that don't work
I'm not
On Wed, 25.03.2009 at 10:05:13 -0600, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
wrote:
The operating systems are not vulnerable.
The *machines* are.
this begs the question: Which machines are NOT vulnerable?
PC's with real roms.
Hahaha.
There really is absolutely nothing we can do
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
wrote:
real; systrace does have the ability to grant root unless you build
Should that read does not?
the policy specifically to do such a stupid thing (actually, I am not
Oh, indeed. Sorry. systrace cannot
We bought one of these the other day to use as a serial console server
but I had some strife getting it to work.
From one expander port to another it worked fine but from one of these
ports to any normal serial port, it returned garbage. I had the same
results with FreeBSD, NetBSD and
I've purchased hardware from Wim multiple times over the last two or
three years and found him to be fast, reliable and helpful in every
order. In each, he's provided far superior service than any other
vendors I've dealt with in the last decade, though some of those have
been good, too.
It
In your case, I believe the best option is to download and donate.
The only problem is that most people forget part 2 - donate.
May I suggest a compromise? It sounds like many cannot afford the CDs
and shipping, and most who spend money on the CDs are motivated to do so
by the art and
There in Europe, there are a lot of OpenBSD users who don't like the
way you handle this conflict.
so what are the users going to do? complain at me, so that I stop
working on openbsd? is that going to help? Richard, as a user, do
you really not know your place?
We don't like how you can
As I made donations (by giving money, by purchasing CDs, t-shirts, ...)
to the OpenBSD project like most of the OpenBSD users, and since I
always recommends to my customers to make donations to the OpenBSD
project instead of just make use of OpenBSD freely.
You keep mixing up sales and
The other side seems to have said far more than Theo in far more detail
http://accounting.kd85.com/
First I've heard of it!
Network Timeout
The server at accounting.kd85.com is taking too long to respond.
The requested site did not respond to a connection request and
full value, owed for CD Sales , transfers of undisclosed amounts -
some clear facts would be nice, this sounds like waffle.
Watch your words. What you say may have minor effects on whether I
keep making release CDs or anything in the future. I don't like your
tone, whoever you are, so show
Isn't there any OpenBSD guy defending Mr. Wim Vandeputte, a man
having promoted OpenBSD year in and year out
He's now put forward a document saying that he promoted OpenBSD using
project money. That was never authorized. He says he has it in giant
piles of T-shirt stock (yet OpenBSD gets
2009/3/30, Daniel Seuffert i...@praxis123.de:
Isn't there any OpenBSD guy defending Mr. Wim Vandeputte, a man
having promoted OpenBSD year in and year out and having supported the
project in Europe like nobody else probably?
If they are as intelligent as I guess, they will not
If you want to speculate do it privately. I know at least Wim is
willing to answer questions. A public mailinglist is the last place
you should be speculating about serious acusations of this magnitude.
Please stop
Floor
I second this . . . while I love a good drama, this is
I also add my thanks to the discussion. I do have a fundamental question
to pose however. It seems that opensource culture for large projects
is driven by featurism and the need to make massive changes incorporated
into frequent releases.
I come from a background of very long-term
Wim's statement...
| The understanding was that the 'leftover money', the difference
| between what I paid and the discounted price, would be spent on
| OpenBSD activities in Europe.
... is complete news to me.
Indeed naddy, it should be news to you, because there was no such
This is my xorg.conf which works on the 4.4 snapshot I was running.
Unfortunately I can't get three screens going, and the 4.5 snapshot I
tried to upgrade to on Friday is currently crashing on startup, so I
can't tell if it's any better yet. This may well be a factor, as my
xorg.conf is
I have been in commuinication with a few people who have told me
stories that Wim received donations, obviously meant for the OpenBSD
project, collected at European conference tables -- and that this
money has not made it to the OpenBSD project. These reports are not
coming from people who gave
I need to correct a few details.
I have been in commuinication with a few people who have told me
stories that Wim received donations, obviously meant for the OpenBSD
project, collected at European conference tables -- and that this
money has not made it to the OpenBSD project. These reports
So what if it's founder lives a mountain biking/hiking lifestyle?
There are people being misled that I pay for this extravagant
lifestyle out of donations. Hah. Shame on those people who spread
that rumour, and also shame on those who are so easily deceived.
I hike near conferences that I am
n321xOYL019813;
Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:59:25 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id: 200904020159.n321xoyl019...@cvs.openbsd.org
To: wvdpu...@kd85.com
cc: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Where did the donation money go, Wim?
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:59:24 -0600
From: Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
I have been
Having some sort of Report once a year about Donation Money or even also the
CD and Shirt Sales money and where it goes would help to shut up even the
most ignorant. Reports possibly ala' FreeBSD Foundation; but if not, not; i
personally have no doubt that you are the last Guy how would enrich
You should be able to find a suitable order site at
http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html
Being in the UK I think I have two options on there. One is always
lagging behind (their website currently lists 4.3!) and the other is
OpenBSDEurope - is this a new seller covering Europe now Wim has
Liam J. Foy wrote:
Yes, we are pleased to be a new reseller based in the UK (we serve
Europe too of course! - the 'we' bit is a close friend who is involved
in distribution in the UK (which is what we're also setting up)).
We are not associated with the OpenBSD project, but Theo has kindly
On Thu, 02.04.2009 at 00:17:35 -0600, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
wrote:
This guy some of you think is so honest. He's filtering port 25
from cvs.openbsd.org.
did you try sending from a different server thereafter?
I've seen a failure mode where a machine appears
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
wrote:
I don't know how big people think the donations are, but sure, it is
substantial. Yet it is not as much as these amounts above. The
remaining is paid out of my salary, and yes, my salary is CD sales
dependent
I guess Wim would be more than happy to sell his stock of stickers and
T-Shirts, and especially those who believe in his sincerity, and others
who might be interested in selling these items, might want to extend a
hand, buying off his products, to help him rebuild lost trust
Wim can
Of course I paid for going to these events completely out of my own
pocket, and even though the Netherlands is a small country, most
events are further away from my home than Wim's, while Wim paid for
his travel expenses out of OpenBSD (donation) money.
On his web page Wim sort of now claims
I would assume any other donation money was just a passthough. but as
I don't understand banking in europe, in Europe there are other
reasons you would want to hang on to money that was donated to the
project that make perfect sense and are not understandable to those of
us who are used
I only have one small question left if I may. I do see plenty of changes
from Henning and others on this and still plenty going in pf in CVS.
I am not sure I follow it all yet and may be it's because it's not all
finish, but scrub isn't going to be remove all together from pf is it?
I am not
while this might be true for you, I have a totally different experience.
I also saw some info about donation money and some receipts that show
very clearly the money went to theo.
Then you must be really good friends with Wim, since I do not have any
of the information you claim to have seen.
Around two weeks ago Owain (oga@) mailed out a request for some
monitors in the UK, so that he could hack better on X.
A pair of monitors capable of 1600x1200 resolution with vga and dvi
inputs needed for debugging multi-head X11 setups in London,
England. Monitors would preferably
Has anybody been able to get Padlock accelerated SHA1 working on a C7
or is this not currently possible?
It isn't worth using it. The overhead is too high.
So I've recently installed 4.4 on a new via idot pc3500-g motherboard,
which is all great, but I note that ACPI isn't working. Is there
anything helpful I can contribute to getting it working on this
system?
Or do dmesg notes like 'pcibios0: bad IRQ table checksum' suggest that
the system
I'm looking for hardware to replace my current firewalls, and
my understanding is that Opteron gear is the way to go for pf
performance.
Sorry, but my understanding is different. As I see it, any hardware
is fine for running pf.
We never optimized it for any specific hardware. Instead, it
I don't understand your questions.
We compile fdisk on every platform, on every type of disk, so I don't
understand what WDCC_IDENTIFY has to do with it.
You only care about PCs?
i am reading the fdisk source to have a better understanding
what is what... it is not going really well i am
I was comming late to the show since I was enjoying my holliday.
Please confirm or deny the theory I got from the long thread.
I got the ideea that Wim received the CDs from source with 40% from
the real price. Then, Wim must return the 60% profit back to the
store.
no, no no no no.
He
It has already been explained in detail.
OK then, can someone explain from the start to the end how this was set up ?
Please include prices and discounts. I'm still confused about the
method and reading again the thread is not helpful.
Thanks
On 4/18/09, Theo de Raadt dera
This morning I had an email arrive at Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:58:36 +1000
(EST) from computershop.ca announcing that my order had been mailed.
At 09:05 I went to check my PO box for the morning mail and found my 2
sets of 4.5 CDs
How did Austin and the gang know that my package had made it
What is the cu ? Could you tell me the full name of the package or ports.
It's right near the ls package.
I'm using this ThinkPad T60, and just realized that if using an earphone,
the
console's audible bell is blowing my ears off. I couldn't find anything
relevant in mixerctl -a output, nevertheless I've changed every outputs
control's volume to 0 to see which one could be it (no luck). Is
Theo de Raadt wrote:
Holy cow, 20+ messages about a damn bell, and important changes to
the tree get ignored.
Get a life, people -- get a frigging life!
Hi Theo.. I appreciate what you've done for the project, but *what*
changes to the tree?
Your lack of any attempt to educate
Have I completely lost my mind or should I be able to give newfs a block
device?
The former. You cannot newfs a block device.
I set up a dual booting OpenBSD/ubuntu (only for the audio, I swear!)
install. I made sure to have the Ubuntu installer make an ext2 data
partition for sharing. For some reason OpenBSd couldn't see the ext2
partition until I added it manually. I would like to know why.
The exact way that this
From your benchmark it seems your server's only purpose is to untar and
remove ports.tar.gz in a loop or what are you trying to show?
I'm very happy that OpenBSD ffs is a bit slower then Linux ext3.
He's showing that for his test case, he should be running Linux.
Enjoy.
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