Supported chipsets (was: Re: Is it possible to run OpenBSD on ASRock 775TWINS-HDTV S775?)
On 20/01/06 15:02, Stuart Henderson wrote: working...VIA usually get recommended when the topic of amd64 boards comes up (you'll find a few posts in the archives about this). Ah, good to know! I will do a better dive in the archives. Generally: you have a better chance of full support if you stick to slightly older hardware (and at least, it increases the chances of someone having already posted if it doesn't work!). Absolutely; my headache is the computer providers only sell new cool hardware. I was checking into a pre-owned system today, but there was too much I would have to change to get that one functional (case, cooling, noise, disks). Regards, /Joakim -- http://www.df.lth.se/~jokke/
Supported chipsets (was: Re: Is it possible to run OpenBSD on ASRock 775TWINS-HDTV S775?)
On 20/01/06 21:08, Travers Buda wrote: I think the only real difference between the 8237 and the 8237R is the ability to asynchronously clock the cpu bus and the AGP/PCI busses. Ah, cool! I will see if I can find something that confirms that. Do you thus think the 8237R would work with OBSD? Regards, /Joakim -- http://www.df.lth.se/~jokke/
Re: Is it possible to run OpenBSD on ASRock 775TWINS-HDTV S775?
On 2006-01-19 18:49, Stuart Henderson wrote: CPU is fast enough that it wasn't horribly slow, but obviously not as good as it could be. anything else - in my case, the next fastest is a celeron 2ghz (my asrock board has an opteron 146). I haven't seen any reliability problems with it, but I haven't worked it harder than a few cvs pulls and 'make build's. [...] SuSE Linux seems to support the nic about the best. I don't see anything in FreeBSD cvsweb to indicate that their -current would be First, I would like to say I am really grateful for your answers here! Thanks a lot! I managed to install FBSD on the machine (failed with OBSD, NBSD, Debian, Knoppix and Trustix) which was good since I prefer a BSD on this compared to e.g. SuSE. Now I won't have to buy additional hardware for this one (but thanks again for your ideas on that area), but I am about to choose H/W for a server that _must_ run OpenBSD. Learning from the past, I am now checking the M/B spec. and compare them to http://www.openbsd.org/i386.html and http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html. I have found 4 available motherboards (socket 754, so the amd64 port would be the best choice, I guess) at our provider, that might work; the southbridges/all-in-one chips in those are, respectively: * nVidia nForce 410 MCP * nVidia nForce3 250 * VIA 8237R * nVidia nForce4-4X In the OBSD hardware list, I find * NVIDIA nForce/nForce2/nForce2-400/nForce3/nForce3-250/nForce4 * VIA Technologies VT82C586/A/B, VT82C596A/B, VT82C686A/B, VT8231, VT8366, VT8233, VT8235, VT8237 Which one do you think would be the safest bet here? It would be good to be able to run the SATA disks, but perhaps the safest bet of them all is to get regular ATA ones? Regards, /Joakim -- http://www.df.lth.se/~jokke/
Re: Is it possible to run OpenBSD on ASRock 775TWINS-HDTV S775?
On Friday 20 January 2006 08:02, Stuart Henderson wrote: I'll defer to anyone that has one..! 8237_R_ isn't listed, though 8237 is. I don't know whether the difference is enough to stop it from working...VIA usually get recommended when the topic of amd64 boards comes up (you'll find a few posts in the archives about this). I think the only real difference between the 8237 and the 8237R is the ability to asynchronously clock the cpu bus and the AGP/PCI busses. Travers Buda
Is it possible to run OpenBSD on ASRock 775TWINS-HDTV S775?
Hi! I have a computer based on this motherboard (more info here: http://www.asrock.com/product/product_775Twins-HDTV.htm), and the OpenBSD 3.8 install CD won't find the disks. The southbridge is an ULi 1573, and since it is not present in the OpenBSD chipset support list, the reason 3.8 won't find my disks are rather obvious even to me. :) FreeBSD finds the disks, though, but I would prefer to run OpenBSD on the machine. You guys that know everything there is to know about OpenBSD, is there support in ULi 1573 to find in the CVS or so? Best regards, /Joakim -- http://www.df.lth.se/~jokke/
Re: Is it possible to run OpenBSD on ASRock 775TWINS-HDTV S775?
On 2006/01/19 14:33, Joakim Roubert wrote: I have a computer based on this motherboard (more info here: http://www.asrock.com/product/product_775Twins-HDTV.htm), and the OpenBSD 3.8 install CD won't find the disks. The southbridge is an ULi 1573, and since it is not present in the OpenBSD chipset support list, the reason 3.8 won't find my disks are rather obvious even to me. :) FreeBSD finds the disks, though, but I would prefer to run OpenBSD on the machine. You guys that know everything there is to know about OpenBSD, is there support in ULi 1573 to find in the CVS or so? No dmesg, so it's difficult to help you... Even if all you can do is boot the install kernel, save a dmesg to a file, and ftp it somewhere, that's a lot better than nothing. ULi want an NDA before releasing documentation, and have now been bought by nvidia, so finding information to write correct drivers isn't going to be easy. If you haven't already, try playing with the BIOS settings. You may be able to get your disks to work (but even if you do, possibly no DMA).
Re: Is it possible to run OpenBSD on ASRock 775TWINS-HDTV S775?
On 2006-01-19 15:42, Stuart Henderson wrote: No dmesg, so it's difficult to help you... Even if all you can do is boot the install kernel, save a dmesg to a file, and ftp it somewhere, that's a lot better than nothing. I will see if I can fix that. ULi want an NDA before releasing documentation, and have now been bought by nvidia, so finding information to write correct drivers isn't going to be easy. N! :-( But, on the other hand, when it comes to gfx cards there is, for Linux, support for all cards but one (old), so perhaps they will do the same with these ones. If you haven't already, try playing with the BIOS settings. You may be able to get your disks to work (but even if you do, possibly no DMA). Ok! Thanks a lot for your input! Perhaps I will have to go with another OS on this machine (I am about to get us a more critical server too; I will make sure I get a controller OpenBSD really supports on that one, because that one really has to run OBSD.) Best regards, /Joakim -- http://www.df.lth.se/~jokke/
Re: Is it possible to run OpenBSD on ASRock 775TWINS-HDTV S775?
On 2006/01/19 17:08, Joakim Roubert wrote: On 2006-01-19 15:42, Stuart Henderson wrote: No dmesg, so it's difficult to help you... Ok, here goes: (there might be typos, since I write down what I read on the screen next to me...) well done :) I have some similar ALi/ULi devices on a different ASRock board here, and have got a little further. vendor Acer Labs, unknown product 0x5287 (class mass storage subclass SATA, rev 0x02) at pci0 dev 31 function 1 not configured Good, it's not hidden behind an unrecognisable pci-pci bridge. Try looking for a BIOS setting called something like legacy/native, and toggle it. By doing that, I got M5289 to function (DMA unsupported, but even with onboard disks it still completes 'make build' faster than anything else I have, and I think I'll put my ami(4) in that box anyway). vendor Acer Labs, unknown product 0x5263 (class network subclass ethernet, rev 0x50) at pci0 dev 27 function 0 not configured that's actually near enough a dc(4), I have got as far as getting it to pick up the right MAC address (the easy bit) but not detect any PHYs (the bit which needs either a datasheet or someone better at reading linux source than I).
Re: Is it possible to run OpenBSD on ASRock 775TWINS-HDTV S775?
On 2006-01-19 17:43, Stuart Henderson wrote: vendor Acer Labs, unknown product 0x5287 (class mass storage subclass SATA, rev 0x02) at pci0 dev 31 function 1 not configured Good, it's not hidden behind an unrecognisable pci-pci bridge. Ok, at least that's something! :) Try looking for a BIOS setting called something like legacy/native, and toggle it. By doing that, I got M5289 to function (DMA unsupported, but even with onboard disks it still completes 'make build' faster than anything else I have, and I think I'll put my ami(4) in that box anyway). Ok, I won't have the real RAID-H/W as an option, so the question is what anything else you have... :) How slow is the system without DMA? I would guess it would be horrible, but perhaps it is not? The system I am to setup is a backup server that is to do pretty much nothing but wait all the time, and each night get the backup from our server. So perhaps the most incredible disk speed is not needed, but disk I/O has to be reliable. Now I have tried some different actions, and FreeBSD 6.0 finds the disks right away (but not the network, but perhaps it is easier to tinker with that compared to the disk stuff?). Unfortunately, I am not that much of a home-hacker, so I would like to fit the most secure and stable minimal UN*X system on this one. What would you do in my situation? Regards, /Joakim -- http://www.df.lth.se/~jokke/
