Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-16 Thread Daniele B.
> You can have multiple vm's with old versions. > E.g. you can keep an openbsd 60 vm with PHP 5.5.37. Reasoning about it. I need to start saying..in respect of all who is reading..as many of you could work with OpenBSD and vms. I already passed from that kind of environment and three

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-15 Thread Michael Hekeler
> It is all about the dev environment: more precisely I > need to be able to choose the moment when to switch to PHP[N] and do > entering in the update process of all my web apps, thats it. You can have multiple vm's with old versions. E.g. you can keep an openbsd 60 vm with PHP 5.5.37.

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-15 Thread Michael Hekeler
Am 15.02.23 10:41 schrieb Crystal Kolipe: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 02:10:17PM +0100, Michael Hekeler wrote: > > It is pointless to send to the list and in adddition to individuals. > > If you don't want to receive individual replies to list mail, then consider > setting the > >

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-15 Thread Steve Litt
Daniele Bonini said on Wed, 15 Feb 2023 21:27:23 +0100 >I was trying different options like an OS, and my focus >went on FreeBSD and OpenBSD. I've never been able to get FreeBSD or NetBSD or Dragonfly running. OpenBSD was easy and very stable. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2022 featured book:

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-15 Thread Daniele Bonini
"Theo de Raadt" wrote: > We would be happy to give you a refund if you are not happy. First time I used OpenBSD was the middle of 2012, in China. I was trying different options like an OS, and my focus went on FreeBSD and OpenBSD. Despite the obvious notoriety of some OpenBSD software

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-15 Thread Umgeher Torgersen
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 11:03:37AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > We would be happy to give you a refund if you are not happy. OMG! hehehe

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-15 Thread Theo de Raadt
We would be happy to give you a refund if you are not happy. Daniele Bonini wrote: > > > Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > You're probably looking at the wrong OS then. > > OpenBSD takes in my game *portability* at any level: > I do backups of my system in 12min.. and I can put it almost on >

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-15 Thread Daniele Bonini
Stuart Henderson wrote: > You're probably looking at the wrong OS then. OpenBSD takes in my game *portability* at any level: I do backups of my system in 12min.. and I can put it almost on any hardware.. this not little thing. It is defintely a problems of dev environment. It is starting

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-15 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2023-02-15, Daniele Bonini wrote: > > Let's say like OpenBSD like a PHP dev environment doesn't come > in handy at time. Try to think if for any reason sysupgrade upgrade > my php system version, they days after I will have no launch for a > while. It is not acceptable.. You're probably

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-15 Thread Crystal Kolipe
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 02:10:17PM +0100, Michael Hekeler wrote: > It is pointless to send to the list and in adddition to individuals. If you don't want to receive individual replies to list mail, then consider setting the Mail-Followup-To: header in your mail client. Some subscribers to the

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-15 Thread Michael Hekeler
Am 15.02.23 10:12 schrieb Daniele Bonini: > > Michael Hekeler wrote: > > > You can run any PHP version you like. > > You can run more than just single version. > > ls http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.2/packages/amd64/ | grep > > php-7.4.30p0.tgz 8197515 > php-8.0.23p0.tgz 8771969 >

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-15 Thread Daniele Bonini
>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:08:56 + (UTC) >From: Jan Stary >To: Daniele Bonini >Subject: Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility > > > Indeed, although the bad devs working on it, it is a pleasure to use > OpenBSD and I will find out an alternat

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-15 Thread Daniele Bonini
Stuart Henderson wrote: > We don't have resources to maintain security fixes for EoL'd PHP > versions beyond what PHP themselves provide Ok, got it. > > Worrysome this stuff from my side.. I personally have "tons" of > > webapps to mantain and there is not a "Docker solution". Is it > >

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-15 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2023-02-14, Daniele B. wrote: > I'm wondering what are your thoughs on the subject of PHP different versions, > in respect to OpenBSD lifecycle. And, indeed, what is going to happen in > OpenBSD facing this broken compatibility with the past, starting from 8.1. > Are you going to support PHP

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-15 Thread Daniele Bonini
Michael Hekeler wrote: > You can run any PHP version you like. > You can run more than just single version. ls http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.2/packages/amd64/ | grep php-7.4.30p0.tgz 8197515 php-8.0.23p0.tgz 8771969 php-8.1.10p0.tgz 9017614 Ok, let's support OpenBSD project

Re: OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-14 Thread Michael Hekeler
> I'm wondering what are your thoughs on the subject of PHP different versions, > in respect to OpenBSD lifecycle. And, indeed, what is going to happen in > OpenBSD facing this broken compatibility with the past, starting from 8.1. > Are you going to support PHP 7.4 and 8.0 longer or what?

OpenBSD, PHP lifecycle and PHP 8.1 broken compatibility

2023-02-14 Thread Daniele B.
Hello, As I'm working havily on web development, I'm wondering mainly about PHP and my Wordpress / web apps ecosystem. I already come from some troubles like the missing port of memcache library in favour of memcached lib starting from PHP 7.3 (? - by memory). I found myself to arrange to