n0g0013 wrote:
i'm sure SUN was/is hoping that someone will develop a java based
> animation toolkit to compete with flash but that's yet to happen.
I think this is what JavaFX is aiming to be - unfortunately, it's
probably missed the boat, what with Flash having been around for years
and Mic
--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I haven't even begun being harsh towards java and/or
> flash.
The problem with flash is that you just cannot get away from it on the web
these days. A lot of sites use it.
gnash is an okay solution, but I still cannot view a
And I type like a retard too...
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 06:49:28PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:03:14PM +, n0g0013 wrote:
>
> ---> remove drivel <---
>
> > in short, flash is a good tool. we'll all look forward to the day
> > that the formats, behaviours and pr
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:03:14PM +, n0g0013 wrote:
---> remove drivel <---
> in short, flash is a good tool. we'll all look forward to the day
> that the formats, behaviours and protocols are opened so that we can
> implement a native, opensource viewer.
No it is not. I sucks and is reta
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:03 PM, n0g0013 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> in short, flash is a good tool. we'll all look forward to the day
> that the formats, behaviours and protocols are opened so that we can
> implement a native, opensource viewer.
Like, this month?
Google: openscreen.
Flash pr
Jason LaRiviere wrote:
> The current breed of standards-based web developers - which in my
> estimation form the bulk of all web developers currently doing
> anything anyone is seeing, and of which I am fairly representative,
> would think nothing of the sort.
>
> Truly well-versed web developers
So I can't call a spade a spade?
Sorry buddy I don't do politics well. If something sucks it is
perfectly ok to call that out.
I haven't even begun being harsh towards java and/or flash.
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 08:42:01PM +, n0g0013 wrote:
> On 17.07-13:21, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> > On Thu
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> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:01 AM, scar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Marco Peereboom @ 2008/07/16 23:00:
>>> Flash is only good for a few things such as "naked ladies performing
>>> anatomic tricks", "dude getting punche
n0g0013 writes:
> any attempt at discourse here deteriorates, at best, to
> pissing contest
This is what should go on the t-shirt.
On 17.07-15:35, Nick Guenther wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Edd Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > If you get java awt rendering animations half as decently as the
> > official flash plugin, I would be suprised!
[ ... ]
> Flash is definitely faster. [ ... ]
i agree with the "fa
On 17.07-19:33, Edd Barrett wrote:
[ ... ]
> If you get java awt rendering animations half as decently as the
> official flash plugin, I would be suprised!
i apologise if i'm becoming overly terse but it's becoming clear that
any attempt at discourse here deteriorates, at best, to pissing contest
On 17.07-13:21, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 06:07:05PM +, n0g0013 wrote:
> > On 17.07-10:13, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> > [ ... ]
> > > I am saying that each java app requires its own java runtime because the
> > > previous/next version is incompatible. Nothing new here.
> >
On 17.07-14:16, Jason Dixon wrote:
[ ... ]
> > ... but i was also making the point that if you "don't know anything
> > about Java client-side rendering" and are "not a flash or java developer"
> > perhaps you should refrain from spouting technical jargonese on the
> > subject. i know what you're
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Edd Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If you get java awt rendering animations half as decently as the
> official flash plugin, I would be suprised!
>
Actually, http://solarcollector.ca/create.php doesn't look too bad.
It still feels crufty to me though, on Wi
I love your optimism. Integration efforts I worked on for a large
company always required to drop 1 run time environment per app. I
promise we tried really really hard to make that one. This meant that
when a loaded box went out the door there were as many as 8 java
runtimes installed on your bo
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:07 PM, n0g0013 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 17.07-10:13, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> [ ... ]
>> I am saying that each java app requires its own java runtime because the
>> previous/next version is incompatible. Nothing new here.
>
> this is wrong. java versions are large
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 07:09:19AM -0400, Jason Beaudoin wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:08 AM, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have done just fine without flash for years. For me it is very
> > simple; if your site has flash it means:
> > 1. I suddenly don't care
> > 2. I will
On 17.07-12:13, Jason Dixon wrote:
> You don't have to be a dick. [ ... ]
eh ... ok. i wasn't trying to be; i was trying to be funny but
apparently my linguistic skills are on a par with your own.
apologies.
> [ ... ] I don't know anything about Java
> client-side renderi
On 17.07-10:13, Marco Peereboom wrote:
[ ... ]
> I am saying that each java app requires its own java runtime because the
> previous/next version is incompatible. Nothing new here.
this is wrong. java versions are largely compatible and most requirements
are library problems, not runtime compati
On 17.07-10:26, Jason Dixon wrote:
[ ... ]
> I don't have any customers that use Java for client-side image
> rendering, so I can't speak as to how it would compare. I suspect that
> Java wouldn't be as efficient as flash for passing instructions to the
> client, but that's just a hunch.
performa
Marco Peereboom wrote:
You are the one jumping out of a perfectly good working airplane...
You obviously haven't seen the airplane...
most people who give these types of examples think that the recipient
is an idiot
[snip]
I appreciate you treating me like a 3 year old.
Last time I check
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Marco Peereboom wrote:
>On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:47:31AM -0400, Daniel Barowy wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Marco Peereboom wrote:
>>> Somehow the word Java comes to mind...
>>>
>>> Tell me again how that one runtime meme worked for them again.
>>
>> Are you saying that Jav
Gilles Chehade wrote:
I know that if I had to buy something which had a direct impact on
me being dead or alive, I'd probably move my ass to the store, and
probably a few stores even, rather than just buying it on internet
Very true of course. However, not every store sells every make. In
fact
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:47:31AM -0400, Daniel Barowy wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Marco Peereboom wrote:
>> Somehow the word Java comes to mind...
>>
>> Tell me again how that one runtime meme worked for them again.
>
> Are you saying that Java is not being used widely? All of the fundamental
You are the one jumping out of a perfectly good working airplane...
Lame example but don't worry most people who give these types of
examples think that the recipient is an idiot and could not have come up
with it themselves. I appreciate you treating me like a 3 year old.
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 a
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 02:16:15PM +, Alphons Fonz van Werven wrote:
> Marco Peereboom wrote:
>
> >For me it is very simple; if your site has flash it means:
> [snip]
> >2. I will not purchase anything from you
>
> In my opinion it's not always that simple.
>
> Take skydiving equipment for e
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 02:36:11PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:54:15AM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote:
> >On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:59:44PM -0700, Jason LaRiviere wrote:
>
> >> Flash has a place on the web, just like any other rich media format. It
> >> should
Marco Peereboom wrote:
For me it is very simple; if your site has flash it means:
[snip]
2. I will not purchase anything from you
In my opinion it's not always that simple.
Take skydiving equipment for example. This is a small and highly
specialized market in which often few alternatives ar
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Marco Peereboom wrote:
Somehow the word Java comes to mind...
Tell me again how that one runtime meme worked for them again.
Are you saying that Java is not being used widely? All of the fundamental
courses in my CS department are taught using Java, and I don't think my
Hi!
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 03:38:35PM -0600, Mark Pecaut wrote:
>On 7/16/08, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I for one am glad there is no plugin for that infectious disease called
>> flash.
>But then how will I watch "Ow! My balls!" videos online? What will I do?
There's plent
Hi!
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:54:15AM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote:
>On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:59:44PM -0700, Jason LaRiviere wrote:
>> Flash has a place on the web, just like any other rich media format. It
>> should be used responsibly, as semantically as possible, and degrade
>> nicely for tho
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:08 AM, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have done just fine without flash for years. For me it is very
> simple; if your site has flash it means:
> 1. I suddenly don't care
> 2. I will not purchase anything from you
> 3. I'll find alternatives who make my ex
2008/7/17 Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Making excuses for flash isn't helping. You can't say: "I agree but I
> use it anyway because I want teh nekid ladies".
No, no, take it from an old Masturbating Monkey, most of the pr0n
videos out there on teh Intartubes do not in fact require aBL
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have done just fine without flash for years. For me it is very
> simple; if your site has flash it means:
> 1. I suddenly don't care
> 2. I will not purchase anything from you
> 3. I'll find alternatives who make my e
I have done just fine without flash for years. For me it is very
simple; if your site has flash it means:
1. I suddenly don't care
2. I will not purchase anything from you
3. I'll find alternatives who make my experience better
4. I'll save some time by not watching some retarded video
It wouldn'
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:01 AM, scar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Marco Peereboom @ 2008/07/16 23:00:
>> Flash is only good for a few things such as "naked ladies performing
>> anatomic tricks", "dude getting punched in the ding-dong" & "Trogod
* Jason Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-07-17 00:54:15]:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:59:44PM -0700, Jason LaRiviere wrote:
> >
> > Flash has a place on the web, just like any other rich media format. It
> > should be used responsibly, as semantically as possible, and degrade
> > nicely for thos
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:59:44PM -0700, Jason LaRiviere wrote:
>
> Flash has a place on the web, just like any other rich media format. It
> should be used responsibly, as semantically as possible, and degrade
> nicely for those who care not to use it. I make every effort to use it
> within th
>>
>> This guy's day job is at a bank, and they're really into it-- it "solves" a
>> number of problems for them. So if this is the kind of thing that
>> developers are going to pick up en masse, then it's something that will
>> need to be addressed, else people who won't or can't run Flash wil
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Marco Peereboom @ 2008/07/16 23:00:
> Flash is only good for a few things such as "naked ladies performing
> anatomic tricks", "dude getting punched in the ding-dong" & "Trogodor
> the burninator". Nothing makes me happier than visiting a website an
On 16-Jul-08, at 3:23 PM, Daniel W Barowy wrote:
On the other hand, web developers think this thing is hot shit.
I'd just be a little more comfortable if you qualified that a little.
Perhaps with something like `wrong-thinking web developers think...'
The current breed of standards-based w
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:23:26PM -0400, Daniel W Barowy wrote:
> Marco Peereboom wrote:
>> I for one am glad there is no plugin for that infectious disease called
>> flash.
>>
>
> On the other hand, web developers think this thing is hot shit. I
> certainly share your sentiment, but having just
Marco Peereboom wrote:
I for one am glad there is no plugin for that infectious disease called
flash.
On the other hand, web developers think this thing is hot shit. I
certainly share your sentiment, but having just come from a web
development class where the instructor essentially proselyt
On 7/16/08, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I for one am glad there is no plugin for that infectious disease called
> flash.
But then how will I watch "Ow! My balls!" videos online? What will I do?
-Mark
@openbsd.org
> Subject: Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0
>
> >
> >I would like it to automatically ping Adobe looking for the Flash
> player
> >that is not available. When I'm particularly irritated with some site
> >that demands Flash, I follow the link to Adob
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From: Jim Razmus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:58 PM
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0
>
>I would like it to automatically ping Adobe looking for the Flash
player
>that is not available. When I'
Jim Razmus wrote on Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 04:58:18PM -0400:
> I follow the link to Adobe's site where they "don't have a plugin
> for my platform" and refresh 10-20 times to sprinkle some
> love in their web server logs.
Adobe will certainly get that exactly right:
You clearly want foobar binary p
* Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080715 15:08]:
> I disagree.
>
> We should have both versions available in packages; preferably both
> would work on the same system too.
>
> I have been playing with FF3 and I'd have to say that minus the speedup
> overall the browser took a step backwards.
I did not see original message on the list. Did Firefox 3 get ported
successfully?
--
Ed Ahlsen-Girard
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From: dermiste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 2:32 AM
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0
Martynas Venckus
Martynas Venckus wrote:
nspr-4.7.1
As kili and ian pointed out, it doesn't apply because
patch-mozilla_nsprpub_pr_include_private_primpl_h has been removed.
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