Re: partioning for multiple OS's

2007-09-04 Thread Guido Tschakert
stan schrieb:
 I have a new laptop.
 
 It came with Vista on it. I used gpartd to resize those partions, and added
 Ubuntu. Now I want to add OpenBSD, and FreeBSD. I'd like to do OpenBSD
 next.
 
 When I boot the 4.1 CD, I get to the partioning step, and I am confused.
 Since I can't figure out how to capture the screen imafe from a machine
 booted off of the CD. I'll show you what Linux's cfdisk shows.
 
 NameFlags  Part Type  FS Type  [Label]Size (MB)
 --
   sda1Primary   Unknown (27)  10479.01 
   sda2BootPrimary   FAT16[]   31453.48
   sda3Primary   Linux ReiserFS3.54
   sda5Logical   Linux swap / Solaris   3997.49
   Logical   Free Space74109.78
 
 How can I acomplish this?
 
 
 


Hello,

do you need to have dual (triple, quadruple) boot, or would you like to
hear about other possibilities?

I would say: use some kind of virtualization (vmware server, xen,
virtual pc )

Doing that, you have not to worry about partitioning and boot loader
configuration (which all is possible but will also likely end in a mess).
You have the possibilities to play with network between the virtual
machines and the host, you can eazy share data between them, and it is
eazy to set up.

Virtualization ist not a solution for everything but a solution for a
lot of things (I'm sure a lot of people here would agree), especially if
you want to play around with things.

guido



Re: partioning for multiple OS's

2007-09-04 Thread stan
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:55:56AM -0400, bofh wrote:
 On 9/3/07, stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
NameFlags  Part Type  FS Type  [Label]Size 
(MB)
--
  sda1Primary   Unknown (27)  
10479.01
  sda2BootPrimary   FAT16[]   
31453.48
  sda3Primary   Linux ReiserFS
3.54
  sda5Logical   Linux swap / Solaris   
3997.49
  Logical   Free Space
74109.78
 
 sda1 is most probably your rescue space or bios utilities.  Not
 recommended for deletion.
 
I'm not really a Windows person. Could you explain why Windows needs _2_
partions? In the distant past I had windows on a multiboot machine without
this.

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Re: partioning for multiple OS's

2007-09-04 Thread stan
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:30:27AM +0200, Guido Tschakert wrote:
 stan schrieb:
  I have a new laptop.
  
  It came with Vista on it. I used gpartd to resize those partions, and added
  Ubuntu. Now I want to add OpenBSD, and FreeBSD. I'd like to do OpenBSD
  next.
  
  When I boot the 4.1 CD, I get to the partioning step, and I am confused.
  Since I can't figure out how to capture the screen imafe from a machine
  booted off of the CD. I'll show you what Linux's cfdisk shows.
  
  NameFlags  Part Type  FS Type  [Label]Size (MB)
  --
sda1Primary   Unknown (27)  10479.01 
sda2BootPrimary   FAT16[]   31453.48
sda3Primary   Linux ReiserFS3.54
sda5Logical   Linux swap / Solaris   3997.49
Logical   Free Space74109.78
  
  How can I acomplish this?
  
  
  
 
 
 Hello,
 
 do you need to have dual (triple, quadruple) boot, or would you like to
 hear about other possibilities?

Call me old fashinoned, but I prefer multiple boot.

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partioning for multiple OS's

2007-09-03 Thread stan
I have a new laptop.

It came with Vista on it. I used gpartd to resize those partions, and added
Ubuntu. Now I want to add OpenBSD, and FreeBSD. I'd like to do OpenBSD
next.

When I boot the 4.1 CD, I get to the partioning step, and I am confused.
Since I can't figure out how to capture the screen imafe from a machine
booted off of the CD. I'll show you what Linux's cfdisk shows.

NameFlags  Part Type  FS Type  [Label]Size (MB)
--
  sda1Primary   Unknown (27)  10479.01 
  sda2BootPrimary   FAT16[]   31453.48
  sda3Primary   Linux ReiserFS3.54
  sda5Logical   Linux swap / Solaris   3997.49
  Logical   Free Space74109.78

How can I acomplish this?



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Re: partioning for multiple OS's

2007-09-03 Thread Adriaan
On 9/4/07, stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a new laptop.

 It came with Vista on it. I used gpartd to resize those partions, and added
 Ubuntu. Now I want to add OpenBSD, and FreeBSD. I'd like to do OpenBSD
 next.

 When I boot the 4.1 CD, I get to the partioning step, and I am confused.
 Since I can't figure out how to capture the screen imafe from a machine
 booted off of the CD. I'll show you what Linux's cfdisk shows.

 NameFlags  Part Type  FS Type  [Label]Size (MB)
 --
   sda1Primary   Unknown (27)  10479.01
   sda2BootPrimary   FAT16[]   31453.48
   sda3Primary   Linux ReiserFS3.54
   sda5Logical   Linux swap / Solaris   3997.49
   Logical   Free Space74109.78

 How can I acomplish this?

The MBR has only 4 slots for partitions. If you only would use primary
partitions  you can have maximum 4 of these.
You also can have a single extended partition, combined with 0 to 3
primary partitions. You cannot have multiple extended partitions.

If you need to run Linux, it would be best to create 2 logical
partitions within the extended partition for Linux. One logical for
the Linux system and the other for Linxu swap.  That would free up the
current primary ReiserFS.partition.

While Linux can boot from a logical partitions inside an extended one,
the BSDs only can boot from a primary partition. So besides Linux you
could install 3 other operating systems that need a primary partition.

A possible complication would be a suspend-to-RAM partition which
possible would take away one, only leaving you with only 2 primaries.

I never owned a laptop, nor did I use suspend-to-RAM so I leave that
issue to others ;)

=Adriaan=



Re: partioning for multiple OS's

2007-09-03 Thread Steve Shockley

stan wrote:

When I boot the 4.1 CD, I get to the partioning step, and I am confused.
Since I can't figure out how to capture the screen imafe from a machine
booted off of the CD. I'll show you what Linux's cfdisk shows.


You can capture the screen using a serial port and null-modem cable to 
another computer, see the FAQ for more info.


I'm not that familiar with the output of the Linux program.  When I have 
to install OpenBSD on the same disk as another OS and I don't feel like 
thinking, I usually just create a primary partition the size I want with 
the other OS and then change the partition type to A6 during the OpenBSD 
install process.




Re: partioning for multiple OS's

2007-09-03 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 08:23:30PM -0400, stan wrote:
 I have a new laptop.
 
 It came with Vista on it. I used gpartd to resize those partions, and added
 Ubuntu. Now I want to add OpenBSD, and FreeBSD. I'd like to do OpenBSD
 next.
 
 When I boot the 4.1 CD, I get to the partioning step, and I am confused.
 Since I can't figure out how to capture the screen imafe from a machine
 booted off of the CD. I'll show you what Linux's cfdisk shows.
 
 NameFlags  Part Type  FS Type  [Label]Size (MB)
 --
   sda1Primary   Unknown (27)  10479.01 
   sda2BootPrimary   FAT16[]   31453.48
   sda3Primary   Linux ReiserFS3.54
   sda5Logical   Linux swap / Solaris   3997.49
   Logical   Free Space74109.78
 
 How can I acomplish this?

Ouch.  The FAQ section 4.8 says that OBSD's partition has to be a
primary partition.  All your primary partitions are taken: 1: unknown
(probably vista); 2: vista; 3 linux; 4 to hold the extended partitions.

Linux doesn't have these limitations.  I would get rid of Ubuntu, remove
the sda3 and sda5, use OBSD's fdisk to make your OBSD primary partition
in the third slot, leaving free space in logical partitions for linux.

This assumes that your computer's bios can boot from anywhere on the
disk.

How you actually go about setting up the boot loaders is not something I
know.  I've heard that linux's GRUB can boot BSDs.  


DISCLAIMER:  this is from my reading of the faq and
__Absolute_OpenBSD__.  I've never dual-booted, haven't run windows since
3.1, and am very new to OBSD.  However, I've used Debian since 2001 or
so.

Good luck,

Doug.



Re: partioning for multiple OS's

2007-09-03 Thread stan
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 04:04:10AM +0200, Adriaan wrote:
 On 9/4/07, stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have a new laptop.
 
  It came with Vista on it. I used gpartd to resize those partions, and added
  Ubuntu. Now I want to add OpenBSD, and FreeBSD. I'd like to do OpenBSD
  next.
 
  When I boot the 4.1 CD, I get to the partioning step, and I am confused.
  Since I can't figure out how to capture the screen imafe from a machine
  booted off of the CD. I'll show you what Linux's cfdisk shows.
 
  NameFlags  Part Type  FS Type  [Label]Size (MB)
  --
sda1Primary   Unknown (27)  10479.01
sda2BootPrimary   FAT16[]   31453.48
sda3Primary   Linux ReiserFS3.54
sda5Logical   Linux swap / Solaris   3997.49
Logical   Free Space74109.78
 
  How can I acomplish this?
 
 The MBR has only 4 slots for partitions. If you only would use primary
 partitions  you can have maximum 4 of these.
 You also can have a single extended partition, combined with 0 to 3
 primary partitions. You cannot have multiple extended partitions.
 
 If you need to run Linux, it would be best to create 2 logical
 partitions within the extended partition for Linux. One logical for
 the Linux system and the other for Linxu swap.  That would free up the
 current primary ReiserFS.partition.
 
 While Linux can boot from a logical partitions inside an extended one,
 the BSDs only can boot from a primary partition. So besides Linux you
 could install 3 other operating systems that need a primary partition.
 
 A possible complication would be a suspend-to-RAM partition which
 possible would take away one, only leaving you with only 2 primaries.
 
 I never owned a laptop, nor did I use suspend-to-RAM so I leave that
 issue to others ;)

So, I need to move the Linux partion (using gpartd), reset the boot loader,
and then I can put the 2 BSD's in the remaining 2 primary partions? 

I don't need the suspend to disk functionality anyway.

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Re: partioning for multiple OS's

2007-09-03 Thread bofh
On 9/3/07, stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   NameFlags  Part Type  FS Type  [Label]Size 
   (MB)
   --
 sda1Primary   Unknown (27)  10479.01
 sda2BootPrimary   FAT16[]   31453.48
 sda3Primary   Linux ReiserFS3.54
 sda5Logical   Linux swap / Solaris   3997.49
 Logical   Free Space74109.78

sda1 is most probably your rescue space or bios utilities.  Not
recommended for deletion.

sda2 looks like your vista.

sda3 is your linux partition.  Recommend not using reiserfs.  It has
interesting failure cases.  Recommend installing linux in an extended
partition (along with the swap, which is your sda5).

 So, I need to move the Linux partion (using gpartd), reset the boot loader,
 and then I can put the 2 BSD's in the remaining 2 primary partions?

Unless you want to remove your bios/restore partition, you won't have
an additional primary partition.  *ponder*  Hmm... vague neurons are
telling me that ntfs may be bootable from an extended partition.  You
may have to destroy your vista install to try that, but if it works,
then you can have the following:

/dev/sda1 - primary restore
/dev/sda2 - openbsd
/dev/sda3 - freebsd
/dev/sda5 - extended linux
/dev/sda6 - extended linux swap
/dev/sda7 - extended vista

 I don't need the suspend to disk functionality anyway.

You'll have to get pretty friendly with grub.  Alternatively, get very
friendly with the windows bootloader (you can use it to boot linux,
and probably also openbsd and freebsd).

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