Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Don’t Forget BUYVM. Regards Patrick > On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:07 AM, bytevolc...@safe-mail.net wrote: > > andrew fabbro wrote: > ... >> - some day in the bright shining future when vmm is done, you may be able >> to buy an OpenBSD guest VM on an OpenBSD host...and then these piddling >> Amazon and Microsoft Azure empires will fall as Puffy storms the net. To >> the cloud! >> > > Those "piddling Microsoft Azure empires" may not be the best in software development, but they are better at marketing than the OpenBSD team is, by several orders of magnitude. And much more aggressive too. > > I wouldn't get your hopes up, even if vmm was capable of running complete Windows 10+, Linux, BSD, and MacOS X installations (even if just with a little help from a ported QEMU) by 2018. > > The best doesn't always win out when it comes to marketing and mainstream/consumer use. Puffy won't be "storming the net" any time soon.
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 11:07 AM,wrote: > The best doesn't always win out when it comes to marketing and > mainstream/consumer use. Puffy won't be "storming the net" any time soon. Sure: gotta make sure the malware authors and anti-virus industry have work to do. -- Raul
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
andrew fabbro wrote: ... - some day in the bright shining future when vmm is done, you may be able to buy an OpenBSD guest VM on an OpenBSD host...and then these piddling Amazon and Microsoft Azure empires will fall as Puffy storms the net. To the cloud! Those "piddling Microsoft Azure empires" may not be the best in software development, but they are better at marketing than the OpenBSD team is, by several orders of magnitude. And much more aggressive too. I wouldn't get your hopes up, even if vmm was capable of running complete Windows 10+, Linux, BSD, and MacOS X installations (even if just with a little help from a ported QEMU) by 2018. The best doesn't always win out when it comes to marketing and mainstream/consumer use. Puffy won't be "storming the net" any time soon.
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Maybe this should be a FAQ. You can run OpenBSD on nearly any KVM VPS provider. I have some favorites, but it isn't right for me to shill here. You could visit LowEndTalk for discussion of cheap VPSes, or WebHostingTalk for more structured discussion of expensive ones. Or email me and I'll share my opinions and bread crumbs. I pay $3-5 per month to run OpenBSD on 512MB VPSes, and I also have some $15/year 128MB VPSes that run just fine for DNS, mail, etc. You can pay more to get much bigger specs of course. You need to read the vio(4) man page if you're going to run with virtio drivers (which you will if you use KVM). As for the "cloud" providers: - EC2, Azure: forget it. - Vultr: works well, officially supported - DigitalOcean: it's an "install through FreeBSD" hack. That said, once setup, I've had no issues. Note that snapshots may not work (per the tutorial link above). And of course there are cheap dedicated offers: OVH, SoYouStart, Kimsufi, online.net, hertzner, etc. If you can get the ISO presented to the hardware, of course OpenBSD works there. It's worth pointing out that: - if you just need a virtualized crash place to test OpenBSD, you can use virtualbox, etc. to do this on your PC/laptop for free - there are specialized OpenBSD hosters, so maybe giving them some love is appropriate - there are specialized OpenBSD shell account providers (devi.os) if that's all you need - some day in the bright shining future when vmm is done, you may be able to buy an OpenBSD guest VM on an OpenBSD host...and then these piddling Amazon and Microsoft Azure empires will fall as Puffy storms the net. To the cloud! -- andrew fabbro and...@fabbro.org
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Hi, one after time i wrote an article (portuguese, sorry) on how to install OpenBSD on a cloud, see: http://luizgustavo.pro.br/blog/2016/08/01/instalando-openbsd-em-um-cloud-linux/ from: http://openbsd-archive.7691.n7.nabble.com/how-to-install-OpenBSD-in-a-computer-with-Linux-and-Grub2-td41148.html If this can help. Have a nice day ! Luiz Gustavo Costa (Powered by BSD) *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ mundoUnix - Consultoria em Software Livre http://www.mundounix.com.br ICQ: 2890831 / Skype: mundounix Tel: 55 (21) 9-8834-6998 Blog: http://www.luizgustavo.pro.br
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Anybody tried Advania? https://advania.com/cloud/open-cloud/ Thanks. --Murk On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Jay Patelwrote: > OpenBSD with vultr runs very smooth also it has snapshot option for custom > Operating system which is good. > > here is referral link if you wanna use it : > http://www.vultr.com/?ref=6955732 > > Thanks, > Jay > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 7:10 PM, R0me0 *** wrote: > > > Hello everybody ! > > > > Please, > > > > Anyone already had a disk corruption running OpenBSD @ DigitalOcean with > > disk encryption ? > > > > I had this issue for the third time running OpenBSD 5.9 stable branch > and a > > simple "reboot" == No O/S > > > > > > Thanks in advance,
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
OpenBSD with vultr runs very smooth also it has snapshot option for custom Operating system which is good. here is referral link if you wanna use it : http://www.vultr.com/?ref=6955732 Thanks, Jay On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 7:10 PM, R0me0 ***wrote: > Hello everybody ! > > Please, > > Anyone already had a disk corruption running OpenBSD @ DigitalOcean with > disk encryption ? > > I had this issue for the third time running OpenBSD 5.9 stable branch and a > simple "reboot" == No O/S > > > Thanks in advance,
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
On Thu, 25 Aug 2016, Uwe Werlerwrote: > Now they offer a rescue boot with OpenBSD 5.9 too. It's quite easy to > install a new machine now. And a very plus it their support. Wow, this is good news and very, very cool. (For those who, like me, are a bit lost: it's not in the "Rescue" tab, but in "vServer" -> "Settings" -> "Mount CD/DVD image".)
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
On 25. Aug 12:02:37, Daniel Winters wrote: > Hi, > > > Hetzner customer here. Hetzner doesn't support OpenBSD natively. The > > only instructions I could find are kind of dated, in German, seem to > > apply only to dedicated servers (as opposed to VMs), and overall look > > like a giant hack. Anyone had luck getting things running recently? > > I have a VM at Hetzner running amd64 current flawlessly as my mail/web > server since 2013 on what Hetzner calls a VQ7 vServer. I dd'ed a basic > OpenBSD file system image on the disc via the Debian rescue system, > worked like a charm. > > I recently got a new CX10 VM as well, but current will hang after a few > minutes, this seems to be related to virtio disc(?) drivers that are > used in the newer VMs. FreeBSD runs flawlessly on this and I did not > have time to investigate this yet. > > So long story cut short, Hetzner is a good choice for hosting, but their > current VM offerings seem to be incompatible with OpenBSD amd64 current > + 5.9, this can probably be fixed though. I have also several VM running at Hetzner. Now they offer a rescue boot with OpenBSD 5.9 too. It's quite easy to install a new machine now. And a very plus it their support.
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Hi, > Hetzner customer here. Hetzner doesn't support OpenBSD natively. The > only instructions I could find are kind of dated, in German, seem to > apply only to dedicated servers (as opposed to VMs), and overall look > like a giant hack. Anyone had luck getting things running recently? I have a VM at Hetzner running amd64 current flawlessly as my mail/web server since 2013 on what Hetzner calls a VQ7 vServer. I dd'ed a basic OpenBSD file system image on the disc via the Debian rescue system, worked like a charm. I recently got a new CX10 VM as well, but current will hang after a few minutes, this seems to be related to virtio disc(?) drivers that are used in the newer VMs. FreeBSD runs flawlessly on this and I did not have time to investigate this yet. So long story cut short, Hetzner is a good choice for hosting, but their current VM offerings seem to be incompatible with OpenBSD amd64 current + 5.9, this can probably be fixed though. Attached is the FreeBSD dmesg for CX10, I have not got an OpenBSD dmesg at hand Copyright (c) 1992-2016 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p7 #0: Thu Aug 11 18:38:15 UTC 2016 r...@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 FreeBSD clang version 3.4.1 (tags/RELEASE_34/dot1-final 208032) 20140512 CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-26xx (Sandy Bridge) (2099.99-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin="GenuineIntel" Id=0x206a1 Family=0x6 Model=0x2a Stepping=1 Features=0x783fbffFeatures2=0x9fb82203 AMD Features=0x28100800 AMD Features2=0x1 XSAVE Features=0x1 Hypervisor: Origin = "KVMKVMKVM" real memory = 1073741824 (1024 MB) avail memory = 1009946624 (963 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600 ACPI APIC Table: random: initialized ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) cpu0: on acpi0 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71,0x72-0x77 irq 8 on acpi0 Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 hpet0: iomem 0xfed0-0xfed003ff on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 1 Hz quality 950 Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x608-0x60b on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 isab0: at device 1.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xc180-0xc18f at device 1.1 on pci0 ata0: at channel 0 on atapci0 ata1: at channel 1 on atapci0 uhci0: port 0xc140-0xc15f irq 11 at device 1.2 on pci0 usbus0 on uhci0 pci0: at device 1.3 (no driver attached) vgapci0: mem 0xfd00-0xfdff,0xfebd-0xfebd0fff at device 2.0 on pci0 vgapci0: Boot video device re0: port 0xc000-0xc0ff mem 0xfebd1000-0xfebd10ff irq 11 at device 3.0 on pci0 re0: Chip rev. 0x7480 re0: MAC rev. 0x miibus0: on re0 rlphy0: PHY 0 on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto, auto-flow re0: Using defaults for TSO: 65518/35/2048 re0: Ethernet address: 52:54:a2:01:50:df virtio_pci0: port 0xc100-0xc13f mem 0xfebd2000-0xfebd2fff irq 11 at device 4.0 on pci0 vtscsi0: on virtio_pci0 virtio_pci1: port 0xc160-0xc17f irq 10 at device 5.0 on pci0 vtballoon0: on virtio_pci1 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: model IntelliMouse Explorer, device ID 4 fdc0: port 0x3f2-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: does not respond device_attach: fdc0 attach returned 6 uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 orm0: at iomem 0xec800-0xe on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0 attimer0: at port 0x40 on isa0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 fdc0: No FDOUT register! ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 ugen0.1: at usbus0 uhub0: on usbus0 cd0 at ata1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI device cd0: Serial Number QM3 cd0: 16.700MB/s transfers (WDMA2, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 65534bytes) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present da0 at vtscsi0 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SPC-3 SCSI device da0: 300.000MB/s transfers da0: Command Queueing enabled da0: 24414MB (4872 512 byte sectors) random: unblocking device. Timecounter "TSC" frequency 2099989233 Hz quality 800 Root mount waiting for: usbus0 uhub0: 2
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
On 25.08.2016 14:46, Kamil Cholewiński wrote: > On Thu, 25 Aug 2016, Gilles Chehadewrote: >> There are other alternatives with better hardware, services and policies >> within the same price ranges. online.net to name one, hetzner.de to name >> another one. > > Hetzner customer here. Hetzner doesn't support OpenBSD natively. The > only instructions I could find are kind of dated, in German, seem to > apply only to dedicated servers (as opposed to VMs), and overall look > like a giant hack. Anyone had luck getting things running recently? > > <3,K. > Yepp, I do have a dedicated Hetzner server running OpenBSD. Linux rescue console + qemu is the way to get it installed and going. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are!
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Work, BUT I have experienced at least 3 droplet corruptions in 3 different locations in less than 1 month. I know OpenBSD isn't officially supported by DigitalOcean. At this moment I have several thoughts. The droplet keep running but if you intend to reboot, and have an encrypted OpenBSD installtion consider to have a freesh backup before reboot LoL :) That's my point 2016-08-25 11:35 GMT-03:00 ds: > On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:28:19 -0300 > "R0me0 ***" wrote: > > > http://www.elnur.pro/digitalocean-droplet-corruption > > > > so what's your point? that openbsd doesn't work on DI?
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
http://www.elnur.pro/digitalocean-droplet-corruption 2016-08-25 11:18 GMT-03:00 ds: > On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:40:38 -0300 > "R0me0 ***" wrote: > > > Hello everybody ! > > > > Please, > > > > Anyone already had a disk corruption running OpenBSD @ DigitalOcean > > with disk encryption ? > > > > I had this issue for the third time running OpenBSD 5.9 stable branch > > and a simple "reboot" == No O/S > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > if you're installing OpenBSD on a random VPS, i usually do this: boot > up their ubuntu linux rescue image, and: > > apt-get update; apt-get -y install qemu > > download your OpenBSD iso and do this: > > qemu-system-x86_64 -nographic -curses -smp 4 -m 2G -drive > file=/dev/sda,cache=none,if=virtio -boot d -cdrom $THEISO > > (assuming /dev/sda is your drive)
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:40:38 -0300 "R0me0 ***"wrote: > Hello everybody ! > > Please, > > Anyone already had a disk corruption running OpenBSD @ DigitalOcean > with disk encryption ? > > I had this issue for the third time running OpenBSD 5.9 stable branch > and a simple "reboot" == No O/S > > > Thanks in advance, > if you're installing OpenBSD on a random VPS, i usually do this: boot up their ubuntu linux rescue image, and: apt-get update; apt-get -y install qemu download your OpenBSD iso and do this: qemu-system-x86_64 -nographic -curses -smp 4 -m 2G -drive file=/dev/sda,cache=none,if=virtio -boot d -cdrom $THEISO (assuming /dev/sda is your drive)
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
My two cents: Ramnode. Im using it since 5.6 withou anu issues. Regards El ago 25, 2016 9:34 a.m., "Gilles Chehade"escribió: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:22:21PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > Wed, 24 Aug 2016 18:59:46 -0300 "R0me0 ***" > > [...] > > > Thank you everyone that gime directions really appreciated ( all those > in > > > pvt as well ) > > > > > > Cheers guys ! > > > > Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:07:17 +0800 Tinker > > [...] > > > Guys, www.kimsufi.com is the best combination of inexpensive and > > > reliable, for dedicated servers. > > > > Hi R0me0, > > > > Indeed, recommending even more self managed affordable SSD servers: > > > > OVH: SoYouStart, FR (EUR) > > [https://www.soyoustart.com/ie/essential-servers/] > > > > OVH: SoYouStart, CA (USD) > > [https://www.soyoustart.com/us/essential-servers/] > > > > NB: Not affiliate, years of OpenBSD in KVM on SSD servers reliably. > > > > As a former customer, I would recommand against them. > > There are other alternatives with better hardware, services and policies > within the same price ranges. online.net to name one, hetzner.de to name > another one. > > I'm only commenting because your mail didn't mention competitors and I'd > hate the idea that people went there by default, but I'm off this thread > now ;-) > > -- > Gilles Chehade > > https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:32:12 +0200 Gilles Chehade> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:22:21PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > Wed, 24 Aug 2016 18:59:46 -0300 "R0me0 ***" > > [...] > > > Thank you everyone that gime directions really appreciated ( all those in > > > pvt as well ) > > > > > > Cheers guys ! > > > > Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:07:17 +0800 Tinker > > [...] > > > Guys, www.kimsufi.com is the best combination of inexpensive and > > > reliable, for dedicated servers. > > > > Hi R0me0, > > > > Indeed, recommending even more self managed affordable SSD servers: > > > > OVH: SoYouStart, FR (EUR) > > [https://www.soyoustart.com/ie/essential-servers/] > > > > OVH: SoYouStart, CA (USD) > > [https://www.soyoustart.com/us/essential-servers/] > > > > NB: Not affiliate, years of OpenBSD in KVM on SSD servers reliably. > > > > As a former customer, I would recommand against them. > > There are other alternatives with better hardware, services and policies > within the same price ranges. online.net to name one, hetzner.de to name > another one. > > I'm only commenting because your mail didn't mention competitors and I'd > hate the idea that people went there by default, but I'm off this thread > now ;-) Hi Gilles, My point was using X-as-a-service is a flawed model for tech users. The fact is a lot more has to be improved everywhere industry wide. Especially hardware quality, and management (IPMI2/KMVoIP included) tools, done properly in isolated networks with SSH console & serial and all other trouble can be evaded by rebuilds, backups, preorder. Indeed, I only mentioned OVH as minimum acceptable and not go-to :) but more like as one sample approach to handle self managed hosting Not used these providers yet and am too considering also online.net Thank you for the additions, I agree and have reviewed these offers before too, and recommend any provider that gives better hardware.. And more flexibility to manage the actual hardware like in the lab. The ones that dumb it down hide all of the complexity which breaks. Kind regards, Anton
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
On Thu, 25 Aug 2016, Gilles Chehadewrote: > There are other alternatives with better hardware, services and policies > within the same price ranges. online.net to name one, hetzner.de to name > another one. Hetzner customer here. Hetzner doesn't support OpenBSD natively. The only instructions I could find are kind of dated, in German, seem to apply only to dedicated servers (as opposed to VMs), and overall look like a giant hack. Anyone had luck getting things running recently? <3,K.
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:22:21PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote: > Wed, 24 Aug 2016 18:59:46 -0300 "R0me0 ***"> [...] > > Thank you everyone that gime directions really appreciated ( all those in > > pvt as well ) > > > > Cheers guys ! > > Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:07:17 +0800 Tinker > [...] > > Guys, www.kimsufi.com is the best combination of inexpensive and > > reliable, for dedicated servers. > > Hi R0me0, > > Indeed, recommending even more self managed affordable SSD servers: > > OVH: SoYouStart, FR (EUR) > [https://www.soyoustart.com/ie/essential-servers/] > > OVH: SoYouStart, CA (USD) > [https://www.soyoustart.com/us/essential-servers/] > > NB: Not affiliate, years of OpenBSD in KVM on SSD servers reliably. > As a former customer, I would recommand against them. There are other alternatives with better hardware, services and policies within the same price ranges. online.net to name one, hetzner.de to name another one. I'm only commenting because your mail didn't mention competitors and I'd hate the idea that people went there by default, but I'm off this thread now ;-) -- Gilles Chehade https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Thu, 25 Aug 2016 17:39:18 +0800 Tinker> On 2016-08-25 17:22, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > Wed, 24 Aug 2016 18:59:46 -0300 "R0me0 ***" > > [...] > >> Thank you everyone that gime directions really appreciated ( all those > >> in > >> pvt as well ) > >> > >> Cheers guys ! > > > > Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:07:17 +0800 Tinker > > [...] > >> Guys, www.kimsufi.com is the best combination of inexpensive and > >> reliable, for dedicated servers. > > > > Hi R0me0, > > > > Indeed, recommending even more self managed affordable SSD servers: > > > > OVH: SoYouStart, FR (EUR) > > [https://www.soyoustart.com/ie/essential-servers/] > > > > OVH: SoYouStart, CA (USD) > > [https://www.soyoustart.com/us/essential-servers/] > > > > NB: Not affiliate, years of OpenBSD in KVM on SSD servers reliably. > > > > Kind regards, > > Anton > > The SoYouStart servers are expensive lol! - > > The catch with KimSufi (operated by the same company), except for that > they are a lower performance segment of course, is that you *NOT* have > KVM access. > > And there are ways to circumvent that. Hi Tinker, I can too confirm that the SYS servers are expensive for my budget yet we all know about net booting rescue images, when provider gives this. You're absolutely right that the KS servers are the poor man's choice! However, the KS servers lack the virtualisation capable CPUs and IPs.. Please, allow me to explain I was not referring to a KVM switch device used to manage the servers out of band, but KVM virtualisation method: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine] You can use SYS servers with any Linux with KVM QEMU to run OpenBSD in KVM (virtual machine) on virtio(4) support, just head for libvirt too: libvirt - virtualisaion management library & tool kit [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libvirt] virtio - VirtIO support driver [http://man.openbsd.org/virtio] Before you go into another disambiguation nit, let me also mention it: serial + text mode console + graphical console, over SSH is mandatory, if you want to reliably and functionally manage your virtual machines. So, balance it out, I'd personally go direct bare metal on KS any day, but, I primarily use (profit) from the virtualisation on SYS servers.. You can share with a buddy, or provide service for a group of friends. The takeaway info is: self-managing is not hard, gives you more value for the costs & saves you from A LOT of trouble from complex overhead. And I am patiently & eagerly hoping native OpenBSD virtualisation goes production ready soon, for which I think we all know what is required. vmm - virtual machine monitor [http://man.openbsd.org/vmm] vmd - virtual machine daemon [http://man.openbsd.org/vmd] vmctl - control the virtual machine daemon [http://man.openbsd.org/vmctl] vm.conf - virtual machine configuration [http://man.openbsd.org/vm.conf] OpenBSD Foundation Activities - Donate to the OpenBSD Foundation [http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/activities.html] Kind regards, Anton
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Wed, 24 Aug 2016 18:59:46 -0300 "R0me0 ***"[...] > Thank you everyone that gime directions really appreciated ( all those in > pvt as well ) > > Cheers guys ! Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:07:17 +0800 Tinker [...] > Guys, www.kimsufi.com is the best combination of inexpensive and > reliable, for dedicated servers. Hi R0me0, Indeed, recommending even more self managed affordable SSD servers: OVH: SoYouStart, FR (EUR) [https://www.soyoustart.com/ie/essential-servers/] OVH: SoYouStart, CA (USD) [https://www.soyoustart.com/us/essential-servers/] NB: Not affiliate, years of OpenBSD in KVM on SSD servers reliably. Kind regards, Anton
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Hey James, Thank you for your reply . I have OpenBSD running on Vultr almost thirty days with the same setup and everything is going very well. Also I bring up a OpenBSD on Linode today and seems ok as well :) Cheers, 2016-08-24 21:42 GMT-03:00 James Pole: > I second the recommendation for Vultr. Loading an OpenBSD ISO and using > that to install OpenBSD is a very straightforward process and it works very > well in my experience. I have had a Vultr VPS running OpenBSD 5.9 for the > last few months. It is part of a test to see whether it will function as a > replacement for my exisiting FreeBSD and Debian VPS instances. I have been > impressed enough that I plan to replace my FreeBSD and Debian instances > with OpenBSD instances before the end of the year. > > - James > > > On 25/08/2016, at 8:25 AM, Pedro Tender wrote: > > > > Not helping to the question but... > > > > Regarding similar cheap vps service you could try vultr where one can > > install a custom ISO and have a clean OpenBSD install without > > pre-installing other OSes - from what I can see it makes everything a big > > mess. > > I run a 5.9 stable (updated since original 5.7 install) there without any > > problems but I don't have HD encryption so I don't have any idea and can > > only suppose it should work without problems being a clean install. > > While installing with their webKVM I can only have my keyboard layout > (PT) > > working if I use MSWindows, nor OSX nor OpenBSD make correct keyboard > > attribution (and I cannot remove X packages on install because I don't > have > > the - key anywhere). I don't know if other keyboards will have similar > > problems. > > > > Just wanted to share my experience so you could try alternatives if you > > DOcean experience leaves you hanging. > > > > On Aug 24, 2016 20:52, "R0me0 ***" wrote: > > > >> Hey Adam, > >> > >> I have had this issue for the third time in different regions on the > last > >> 30 days and my procedure was getting minirootfs like Tubsta procedure. > >> > >> the only thing different was get openbsd 5.9 stable branch, recompiled > >> kernel, rebooted and then recompiled userland tools and rebooted . ( > Works > >> like a charm ) and as expected :P > >> > >> Procedures from here https://www.openbsd.org/stable.html > >> > >> But suddenly like today the same # reboot > >> I have NO O/S found . > >> > >> That's it > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2016-08-24 16:12 GMT-03:00 Adam Taylor : > >> > >>> I have not run into any issues with reboots on my encrypted OpenBSD > >>> droplet on DO. > >>> > >>> It's running a 5.9 snapshot, not quite current. > >>> > >>> I followed the Tubsta instructions on getting it running. But deviated > >>> since I wanted encryption just for fun. > >>> > >>> On Aug 24, 2016 9:42 AM, "R0me0 ***" wrote: > >>> > Hello everybody ! > > Please, > > Anyone already had a disk corruption running OpenBSD @ DigitalOcean > >> with > disk encryption ? > > I had this issue for the third time running OpenBSD 5.9 stable branch > >> and > a > simple "reboot" == No O/S > > > Thanks in advance,
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
I second the recommendation for Vultr. Loading an OpenBSD ISO and using that to install OpenBSD is a very straightforward process and it works very well in my experience. I have had a Vultr VPS running OpenBSD 5.9 for the last few months. It is part of a test to see whether it will function as a replacement for my exisiting FreeBSD and Debian VPS instances. I have been impressed enough that I plan to replace my FreeBSD and Debian instances with OpenBSD instances before the end of the year. - James > On 25/08/2016, at 8:25 AM, Pedro Tenderwrote: > > Not helping to the question but... > > Regarding similar cheap vps service you could try vultr where one can > install a custom ISO and have a clean OpenBSD install without > pre-installing other OSes - from what I can see it makes everything a big > mess. > I run a 5.9 stable (updated since original 5.7 install) there without any > problems but I don't have HD encryption so I don't have any idea and can > only suppose it should work without problems being a clean install. > While installing with their webKVM I can only have my keyboard layout (PT) > working if I use MSWindows, nor OSX nor OpenBSD make correct keyboard > attribution (and I cannot remove X packages on install because I don't have > the - key anywhere). I don't know if other keyboards will have similar > problems. > > Just wanted to share my experience so you could try alternatives if you > DOcean experience leaves you hanging. > > On Aug 24, 2016 20:52, "R0me0 ***" wrote: > >> Hey Adam, >> >> I have had this issue for the third time in different regions on the last >> 30 days and my procedure was getting minirootfs like Tubsta procedure. >> >> the only thing different was get openbsd 5.9 stable branch, recompiled >> kernel, rebooted and then recompiled userland tools and rebooted . ( Works >> like a charm ) and as expected :P >> >> Procedures from here https://www.openbsd.org/stable.html >> >> But suddenly like today the same # reboot >> I have NO O/S found . >> >> That's it >> >> >> >> >> >> 2016-08-24 16:12 GMT-03:00 Adam Taylor : >> >>> I have not run into any issues with reboots on my encrypted OpenBSD >>> droplet on DO. >>> >>> It's running a 5.9 snapshot, not quite current. >>> >>> I followed the Tubsta instructions on getting it running. But deviated >>> since I wanted encryption just for fun. >>> >>> On Aug 24, 2016 9:42 AM, "R0me0 ***" wrote: >>> Hello everybody ! Please, Anyone already had a disk corruption running OpenBSD @ DigitalOcean >> with disk encryption ? I had this issue for the third time running OpenBSD 5.9 stable branch >> and a simple "reboot" == No O/S Thanks in advance,
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Hello misc Unfortunately even copying raw disk and writing it to a local vm, Disklabel isn't able to "see" labels, the only thing is partitioning scheme. Thank you everyone that gime directions really appreciated ( all those in pvt as well ) Cheers guys ! 2016-08-24 15:37 GMT-03:00 Martin Schröder: > 2016-08-24 16:48 GMT+02:00 : > > You did not provide any sensible detail, so consider this guess work. > > You're not helping.
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Wed, 24 Aug 2016 21:55:06 +0200 Martin Schröder[...] > You don't have to prove that he is wrong, you know. Hi Martin, I'm not trying to prove the original poster is right or wrong. I want to merely propose how not to get into the situation he said he's into. The technical part would be, to download the virtual machine image and run it locally, if the provider does not offer you a serial & console. Seriously consider switching providers and manage it on real hardware, or at least hardware which you control & have technical details about. Kind regards, Anton
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Not helping to the question but... Regarding similar cheap vps service you could try vultr where one can install a custom ISO and have a clean OpenBSD install without pre-installing other OSes - from what I can see it makes everything a big mess. I run a 5.9 stable (updated since original 5.7 install) there without any problems but I don't have HD encryption so I don't have any idea and can only suppose it should work without problems being a clean install. While installing with their webKVM I can only have my keyboard layout (PT) working if I use MSWindows, nor OSX nor OpenBSD make correct keyboard attribution (and I cannot remove X packages on install because I don't have the - key anywhere). I don't know if other keyboards will have similar problems. Just wanted to share my experience so you could try alternatives if you DOcean experience leaves you hanging. On Aug 24, 2016 20:52, "R0me0 ***"wrote: > Hey Adam, > > I have had this issue for the third time in different regions on the last > 30 days and my procedure was getting minirootfs like Tubsta procedure. > > the only thing different was get openbsd 5.9 stable branch, recompiled > kernel, rebooted and then recompiled userland tools and rebooted . ( Works > like a charm ) and as expected :P > > Procedures from here https://www.openbsd.org/stable.html > > But suddenly like today the same # reboot > I have NO O/S found . > > That's it > > > > > > 2016-08-24 16:12 GMT-03:00 Adam Taylor : > > > I have not run into any issues with reboots on my encrypted OpenBSD > > droplet on DO. > > > > It's running a 5.9 snapshot, not quite current. > > > > I followed the Tubsta instructions on getting it running. But deviated > > since I wanted encryption just for fun. > > > > On Aug 24, 2016 9:42 AM, "R0me0 ***" wrote: > > > >> Hello everybody ! > >> > >> Please, > >> > >> Anyone already had a disk corruption running OpenBSD @ DigitalOcean > with > >> disk encryption ? > >> > >> I had this issue for the third time running OpenBSD 5.9 stable branch > and > >> a > >> simple "reboot" == No O/S > >> > >> > >> Thanks in advance,
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Hey Cris I don't think so, because everything was going very well. The OpenBSD there just run a unbound , dnscrypt ( pkg_add ) and ipsec vpn. I rebooted today just for curiosity ( because I already faced ) and for my surprise happened again. I guess is something there as cited by @Troy Resume: The Problem is not with OpenBSD but something on DigitalOcean. Thank you man ! 2016-08-24 17:00 GMT-03:00 Chris Cappuccio: > R0me0 *** [knight@gmail.com] wrote: > > > > I have NO O/S found . > > > > That's it > > > > Is it possible that the instructions you are using are incomplete and/or > incompatible with the software ? Have you tried this on a standalone > machine?
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Hey Anton ! I didn't ask for support ! You are miss understanding ! If I need a support from OpenBSD will be related with some kernel panic or something related as I already reported in the past. In my point of view, I could be wrong sorry if it the case, I see a lot of people sharing experiences here in misc dot openbsd dot org . I always dig before ask . So you need be more smooth and as I said better the silence through a useless shit . If you have a experience to share like "Hey dude I already faced" OK nice you welcome ! but if no, why you guys are writing. Come on dude grow up ! 2016-08-24 16:50 GMT-03:00: > Wed, 24 Aug 2016 20:37:22 +0200 Martin Schröder > > 2016-08-24 16:48 GMT+02:00 : > > > You did not provide any sensible detail, so consider this guess work. > > > > You're not helping. > > > > Hi Martin, > > Neither are you, of course, needless to say. Because you just won't get > it. OpenBSD worked anywhere I've tried before on any KVM set up cheaper > than on these toy virtual server offers. You have to do it yourself, so > that you actually can support yourself. There is "NO"body doing support > for you in these self service providers. Not for peanuts monthly, add 5 > bucks more and get a dedicated server, then choose bare metal or any KVM > and be done with it, eliminating entirely the weak spot: lame VPS offer. > > This is why, the person in trouble can't get you any technical feedback, > because he can't get sensible feedback from the provider technical team. > The truth is: this is a misplaced support call, you can't help that guy. > Because the target audience for such providers are not technical people. > > Read again, ask others, you will get pretty good picture of these facts. > You can help other guys by giving them an idea what actually would work. > Of course cut one sentence and start your interpretations, just perfect. > Well now, let me expand the sentence back again to what I actually said. > > Yet one other way to proceed, would be to seek support from the provider > & be ready to pass tech info back and forth so OpenBSD help is possible. > > Kind regards, > Anton
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
2016-08-24 21:50 GMT+02:00: > Wed, 24 Aug 2016 20:37:22 +0200 Martin Schröder >> You're not helping. >> > Neither are you, of course, needless to say. Because you just won't get Did you actually read his first mail? Do again and try to understand it. Since you have no actual experience with DIgitalOcean and OpenBSD, you should not have answered. You don't have to prove that he is wrong, you know.
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Wed, 24 Aug 2016 20:37:22 +0200 Martin Schröder> 2016-08-24 16:48 GMT+02:00 : > > You did not provide any sensible detail, so consider this guess work. > > You're not helping. > Hi Martin, Neither are you, of course, needless to say. Because you just won't get it. OpenBSD worked anywhere I've tried before on any KVM set up cheaper than on these toy virtual server offers. You have to do it yourself, so that you actually can support yourself. There is "NO"body doing support for you in these self service providers. Not for peanuts monthly, add 5 bucks more and get a dedicated server, then choose bare metal or any KVM and be done with it, eliminating entirely the weak spot: lame VPS offer. This is why, the person in trouble can't get you any technical feedback, because he can't get sensible feedback from the provider technical team. The truth is: this is a misplaced support call, you can't help that guy. Because the target audience for such providers are not technical people. Read again, ask others, you will get pretty good picture of these facts. You can help other guys by giving them an idea what actually would work. Of course cut one sentence and start your interpretations, just perfect. Well now, let me expand the sentence back again to what I actually said. Yet one other way to proceed, would be to seek support from the provider & be ready to pass tech info back and forth so OpenBSD help is possible. Kind regards, Anton
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Hey Adam, I have had this issue for the third time in different regions on the last 30 days and my procedure was getting minirootfs like Tubsta procedure. the only thing different was get openbsd 5.9 stable branch, recompiled kernel, rebooted and then recompiled userland tools and rebooted . ( Works like a charm ) and as expected :P Procedures from here https://www.openbsd.org/stable.html But suddenly like today the same # reboot I have NO O/S found . That's it 2016-08-24 16:12 GMT-03:00 Adam Taylor: > I have not run into any issues with reboots on my encrypted OpenBSD > droplet on DO. > > It's running a 5.9 snapshot, not quite current. > > I followed the Tubsta instructions on getting it running. But deviated > since I wanted encryption just for fun. > > On Aug 24, 2016 9:42 AM, "R0me0 ***" wrote: > >> Hello everybody ! >> >> Please, >> >> Anyone already had a disk corruption running OpenBSD @ DigitalOcean with >> disk encryption ? >> >> I had this issue for the third time running OpenBSD 5.9 stable branch and >> a >> simple "reboot" == No O/S >> >> >> Thanks in advance,
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
FWIW, I have been running snapshots/current with full disc encryption on several machines on DigitalOcean for over a year. Never had any problems. If you send a detailed description of how you installed OpenBSD and maybe instructions on how to reproduce the problem you might get better responses. - Vegar > -Original Message- > From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf > Of R0me0 *** > Sent: onsdag 24. august 2016 15.41 > To: OpenBSD Misc> Subject: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD > > Hello everybody ! > > Please, > > Anyone already had a disk corruption running OpenBSD @ DigitalOcean with > disk encryption ? > > I had this issue for the third time running OpenBSD 5.9 stable branch and a > simple "reboot" == No O/S > > > Thanks in advance,
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
2016-08-24 16:48 GMT+02:00: > You did not provide any sensible detail, so consider this guess work. You're not helping.
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Hey Troy, thank you for your reply At this moment I am performing a dd over ssh. I was able to check with recovery iso provided by DigitalOcean the partition table of OpenBSD seems be there. After that I will try to restore MBR. and hope a obsd boot :) I will post the results. 2016-08-24 15:18 GMT-03:00 Troy Frericks <troy.freri...@gmail.com>: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Troy Frericks <troy.freri...@gmail.com> > Date: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD > To: Daniel Ouellet <dan...@presscom.net> > > > OpenBSD is not supported on/by DigitalOcean. > > https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awww.digitalocean.com+ > openbsd=utf-8=utf-8 > > There are some tricks you can play... install FreeBSD, then put OpenBSD > very carefully over it. > > http://www.tubsta.com/2015/04/openbsd-on-digital-ocean/ > > You need to be careful of what you do. You can not backup the droplet and > then restore it. There is something about what is stored on the first few > tracks (I believe) of the disk that is not backed up nor restored... but if > changed, can make the droplet unbootable. > > Suggest working from a hosting service that is OpenBSD friendly. You'll > have an easier time things that manipulate the disk. > > Troy. > # > > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Daniel Ouellet <dan...@presscom.net> > wrote: > > > On 8/24/16 12:24 PM, R0me0 *** wrote: > > > Ok, here is a reply for you and all other motherfuckers that think and > > > answer like you. > > > > Love you too. > > > > But note that someone wanted to help you. Quote: > > > > "A dmesg would be nice. And maybe a less snarky attitude." > > > > As I said we have no clue what you run, version and all. How do you > > frankly expect an answer? > > > > Have a nice day. > > > > Peace, > > > > Daniel > > > > PS: No, your mother told you we had a date last week? Holy shit... I > > didn't remember that one
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On 8/24/16 12:24 PM, R0me0 *** wrote: > Ok, here is a reply for you and all other motherfuckers that think and > answer like you. Love you too. But note that someone wanted to help you. Quote: "A dmesg would be nice. And maybe a less snarky attitude." As I said we have no clue what you run, version and all. How do you frankly expect an answer? Have a nice day. Peace, Daniel PS: No, your mother told you we had a date last week? Holy shit... I didn't remember that one
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Ok, here is a reply for you and all other motherfuckers that think and answer like you. No so close, OpenBSD and EC2 just is running not more than one year. ( I know very well EC2 ) Based on success history of OpenBSD and KVM in places like DigitalOcean and others why not use a shit place to run a decent OS ? OK , Not control over hardware there and all other stuff, and unfortunately this shits happens. Did I ask you to open a ticket or guess what is happening or I asked if someone faced ? Big difference Humm? Do you need a draw ? I guess so ! but I won't , Here answer who wants and a at least the silence its better that write a holy fucking shift . 2016-08-24 13:00 GMT-03:00 Daniel Ouellet: > On 8/24/16 10:52 AM, R0me0 *** wrote: > > Just asked if someone already faced this issue after a simple reboot > > > > # reboot > > > > Do you need a draw ? > > > > KIND Regards, > > OK here is an answer as good as your question. > > Not so far. My son use Digital Ocean, only because they are cheap and he > put up with shit more then I do. Not that they are shit, but his word, > is "not the easier place to install and run quickly weird setup", but no > problem or crash so far. When he needs more serious space, EC2 is where > he goes. > > So, no issue so far, but he also keep installing current on Digital > Ocean when/if he install it. No ne have a clue what you run there, so > why bother to answer you! > > So, do you also " Do you need a draw ?"? > > Peace, > > Daniel
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
On 8/24/16 10:52 AM, R0me0 *** wrote: > Just asked if someone already faced this issue after a simple reboot > > # reboot > > Do you need a draw ? > > KIND Regards, OK here is an answer as good as your question. Not so far. My son use Digital Ocean, only because they are cheap and he put up with shit more then I do. Not that they are shit, but his word, is "not the easier place to install and run quickly weird setup", but no problem or crash so far. When he needs more serious space, EC2 is where he goes. So, no issue so far, but he also keep installing current on Digital Ocean when/if he install it. No ne have a clue what you run there, so why bother to answer you! So, do you also " Do you need a draw ?"? Peace, Daniel
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 11:52:36AM -0300, R0me0 *** wrote: > Just asked if someone already faced this issue after a simple reboot > > # reboot > > Do you need a draw ? > > KIND Regards, > [...] A dmesg would be nice. And maybe a less snarky attitude. -- Gregor
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Just asked if someone already faced this issue after a simple reboot # reboot Do you need a draw ? KIND Regards, 2016-08-24 11:48 GMT-03:00: > Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:40:38 -0300 "R0me0 ***" > > Hello everybody ! > > > > Please, > > > > Anyone already had a disk corruption running OpenBSD @ DigitalOcean with > > disk encryption ? > > > > I had this issue for the third time running OpenBSD 5.9 stable branch > and a > > simple "reboot" == No O/S > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Hi R0me0, > > You did not provide any sensible detail, so consider this guess work. > The rest of the feedback is your guess work, so consider this solved. > > On a more helpful side, have you tried contacting their tech support? > Commercial providers are typically servicing offered products by SLA. > > Kind regards, > Anton
Re: DigitalOcean and OpenBSD
Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:40:38 -0300 "R0me0 ***"> Hello everybody ! > > Please, > > Anyone already had a disk corruption running OpenBSD @ DigitalOcean with > disk encryption ? > > I had this issue for the third time running OpenBSD 5.9 stable branch and a > simple "reboot" == No O/S > > > Thanks in advance, > Hi R0me0, You did not provide any sensible detail, so consider this guess work. The rest of the feedback is your guess work, so consider this solved. On a more helpful side, have you tried contacting their tech support? Commercial providers are typically servicing offered products by SLA. Kind regards, Anton