Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-06 Thread Richard Stallman
BUT I WILL STILL GO ON SPREADING THE LIE THAT OpenBSD CONTAINS NON-FREE SOFTWARE SO PEOPLE ARE MISLEAD I never intentionally said such a thing. It was a misunderstanding, because I chose words that were subject to misinterpretation. I appreciate having been informed about the

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Siju George
On Jan 5, 2008 11:24 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was a bit curious about what would someone who reads web-sites by using a wget daemon through e-mails whose own web-site looks like... well... Apache httpd 2.0.54 ((Debian GNU/Linux) DAV/2 SVN/1.2.0

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Denis Doroshenko
On Jan 5, 2008 7:54 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apache httpd 2.0.54 ((Debian GNU/Linux) DAV/2 SVN/1.2.0 PHP/4.3.10-22 mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7e) I have nothing against running a web site. you have *nothing* against a distribution that makes it easier to install

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Rod Whitworth
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:09:16 +0200, Denis Doroshenko wrote: On Jan 5, 2008 7:54 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apache httpd 2.0.54 ((Debian GNU/Linux) DAV/2 SVN/1.2.0 PHP/4.3.10-22 mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7e) I have nothing against running a web site. you have

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Sunnz
2008/1/5, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was a bit curious about what would someone who reads web-sites by using a wget daemon through e-mails whose own web-site looks like... well... Apache httpd 2.0.54 ((Debian GNU/Linux) DAV/2 SVN/1.2.0 PHP/4.3.10-22

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Siju George
On Jan 5, 2008 11:24 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This continues the pattern of straw men. Over and over, people on this list criticize me for doing something which neither I nor anyone else here actually thinks is wrong. Please list the names of so called straw men in your

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:00:55PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the cc's of your messages. FYI, I continually remove people from the CC on mailing-list posts. Yet you have no idea whether these people are

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Siju George
03, 2008 12:48 PM To: Openbsd Misc (E-mail) Subject: Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:05:37PM -0500, Stuart VanZee wrote: Wow... it is incredibly telling that you chose a game, a pretty obscure one at that as far as I can tell, to base your

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Karl Sjodahl - dunceor
On Jan 4, 2008 9:14 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:00:55PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the cc's of your messages. FYI, I continually remove people from the CC

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:15:08PM +0530, Siju George wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 1:03 AM, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove from the cc's of your messages. Who knows? Perhaps He gets Paid for it, and for this violent defense of

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 07:08:12PM -0700, L wrote: That is an insult! Why are you being so mean to Marco? Right, his extreme insults are meaningless and unprovocative. And why are you being so mean to me too? I read this list too! You are insulting me! Right, did the hat fit? Because I said

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:56:03AM +0100, Karl Sjodahl - dunceor wrote: This is a unmoderated list and unsubscribed people can mail to it. If one doesn't want to hear what outsiders want to say, then perhaps posting should be restricted to list members. Rui -- This statement is false. Today

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Karl Sjodahl - dunceor
On Jan 4, 2008 10:51 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:56:03AM +0100, Karl Sjodahl - dunceor wrote: This is a unmoderated list and unsubscribed people can mail to it. If one doesn't want to hear what outsiders want to say, then perhaps posting

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Siju George
On Jan 4, 2008 2:52 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:15:08PM +0530, Siju George wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 1:03 AM, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove from the cc's of your messages.

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Chris Eidem
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:21 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men Daniel Ouellet wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:33:26PM -0700

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:44:59PM +0530, Siju George wrote: :-) that was to the guy who called you a troll right? I said perhaps you are a paid FSF mercenary or as you accused me delusional :-) I wish I was paid to only work on Free Software, I'd be much more productive. Rui -- Today is

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Sunnz
2008/1/4, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 07:08:12PM -0700, L wrote: That is an insult! Why are you being so mean to Marco? Right, his extreme insults are meaningless and unprovocative. And why are you being so mean to me too? I read this list too! You

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Andrés
Rui, I kindly ask you to not remove Richards's e-mail, since he is as interested as everyone else who follows this thread. Richard does not receive duplicated e-mail, since he is not in misc@openbsd.org, so don't hesitate to add him. Greetings.

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Miod Vallat
FYI, I continually remove people from the CC on mailing-list posts. Yet you have no idea whether these people are subscribed to these mailing lists. If they are not, why do their emails get into the mailing list? Because they sent it to it. Some moderator enjoys letting flames come

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Denis Doroshenko
that's right, it's there! eh, Richard, my mom told me once that it is the best thing to tell truth, even when the truth is salty, as when you start to lie, you cannot stop and eventually you get all your lies exposed. Server: Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) DAV/2 SVN/1.2.0 PHP/4.3.10-22

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:26:12PM -0800, Ted Unangst wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 1:22 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otherwise why should he repeatedly say some thin that is not proprietary as proprietary even after being informed by tedu and others? Because for me

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Ted Unangst
On Jan 4, 2008 1:22 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otherwise why should he repeatedly say some thin that is not proprietary as proprietary even after being informed by tedu and others? Because for me it is proprietary when I can't run it in a commercial context. you

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Ted Unangst
On Jan 4, 2008 2:31 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I find even more hysterical is your lack of english comprehension, for what I said is that restrictions against commercial usage make it proprietary, not that I need that piece of software. you still don't get to

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:49:45PM -0800, Ted Unangst wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 2:31 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I find even more hysterical is your lack of english comprehension, for what I said is that restrictions against commercial usage make it proprietary,

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread L
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: know what proprietary means. if you don't understand the big words, stop using them. you also totally failed to comprehend the license. No, I understood it quite well. Yes, no I did not understood it nor not quite never well. what i find even more

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread L
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Neither do you that's insulting.

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Johan Mson Lindman
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:49:45PM -0800, Ted Unangst wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 2:31 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I find even more hysterical is your lack of english comprehension, for what I said is that restrictions against

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Richard Stallman
I was a bit curious about what would someone who reads web-sites by using a wget daemon through e-mails whose own web-site looks like... well... Apache httpd 2.0.54 ((Debian GNU/Linux) DAV/2 SVN/1.2.0 PHP/4.3.10-22 mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7e) I use wget for personal

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Tony Abernethy
keeps objecting that he doesn't object.

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:05:37PM -0500, Stuart VanZee wrote: Wow... it is incredibly telling that you chose a game, a pretty obscure one at that as far as I can tell, to base your argument on. The world will fall because OpenBSD recommends that people install a game... a game that is free

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Tobias Ulmer
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Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 01:23:21PM -0500, William Boshuck wrote: Richard Stallman referred to certain URLs in certain Makefiles in the ports tree---not the collection of packages, after (in the interview which indirectly prompted this thread) confusing OpenBSD's ports tree with its

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread William Boshuck
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 05:48:13PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:05:37PM -0500, Stuart VanZee wrote: Wow... it is incredibly telling that you chose a game, a pretty obscure one at that as far as I can tell, to base your argument on. The world will fall

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 06:30:44PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 01:23:21PM -0500, William Boshuck wrote: Richard Stallman referred to certain URLs in certain Makefiles in the ports tree---not the collection of packages, after (in the interview which

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 05:48:13PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:05:37PM -0500, Stuart VanZee wrote: Wow... it is incredibly telling that you chose a game, a pretty obscure one at that as far as I can tell, to base your argument on. The world will fall

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Stuart VanZee
From: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:48 PM To: Openbsd Misc (E-mail) Subject: Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:05:37PM -0500, Stuart VanZee wrote: Wow... it is incredibly telling that you chose a game, a pretty obscure one

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Reuvers, Nils
Watch your blood pressure there Stuart. -Original Message- From: Stuart VanZee[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3-1-08 20:23:52 To: Openbsd Misc (E-mail)misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men From: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:48 PM

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the cc's of your messages. If you are going to flame rms, it is best to keep him cc'd. From: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:48 PM To: Openbsd Misc (E-mail) Subject: Re: FW: Real men

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:33:26PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the cc's of your messages. FYI, I continually remove people from the CC on mailing-list posts. I consider it rude to receive duplicate email. If you

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:34:24PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: It would be nice if people would stop defending non defensible hypocritical positions. His arguments are a misleading hyperbole. Your attitude is also indefensible and ostentiously hypocritical, with a rudeness that only adds

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Marco Peereboom
Re-adding RMS. On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:34:24PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 05:48:13PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:05:37PM -0500, Stuart VanZee wrote: Wow... it is incredibly telling that you chose a game, a pretty obscure

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Miod Vallat
Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the cc's of your messages. FYI, I continually remove people from the CC on mailing-list posts. Yet you have no idea whether these people are subscribed to these mailing lists. I consider it rude to receive

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread L
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:34:24PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: It would be nice if people would stop defending non defensible hypocritical positions. His arguments are a misleading hyperbole. Your attitude is also indefensible and ostentiously

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Sunnz
Hmmm Mr. Stallman is this your home page: stallman.org I was a bit curious about what would someone who reads web-sites by using a wget daemon through e-mails whose own web-site looks like... well... Apache httpd 2.0.54 ((Debian GNU/Linux) DAV/2 SVN/1.2.0 PHP/4.3.10-22 mod_ssl/2.0.54