Re: Kylin

2009-05-19 Thread Michal 
Unlike the western governments who don't give a shit about anyone or
anything as long as the super elite bankers are feeding them... As a British
citizen, I can say whole heartedly, mine and America's political system is
just BS, lets get the bankers to tell us what to do. Would you like an RFID
chip on the side of your plate of CCTV camera?



-Original Message-
From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of
Duncan Patton a Campbell
Sent: 18 May 2009 19:40
To: (private) HKS
Cc: misc
Subject: Re: Kylin

On Mon, 18 May 2009 11:08:33 -0400
(private) HKS hks.priv...@gmail.com wrote:

 2009/5/18 Toma Bodar tomas.bod...@gmail.com:
  Common,you think that big western companies which have support from
  western governments care about it?And please don't make white knight
  from western civilization.Everywhere are pros and cons.What type of
  copyright and intellectual property you think?Like Disney which have
  stories based on older stories,but he has law from government on it
  now so original makers has nothing and Disney takes all?And when end
  of this copyright is near some magic happen in government and
  Disney (and others) has next 20 or 50 years.Sounds very respectable
  for copyright and intellectual property of original authors ;-)
 
  Or maybe you think something like we have.When you create your own
  song and sing it to people somewhere outside of your flat you must
  pay to OSA(something like BSA terrorists,but local).WTH is
  that.Sounds really like care about my copyright - I must pay for my
  own song ;-)
 
  Informations are here for share and we can move forward thanks to
  them.If some idiot have patent on double-click then what?One
  developer must incorporated triple-click to his product,next
  four-click and so on?Sounds like history - Earth is just pancake and
  everyone who want to find another idea must use our idea or he will
  be killed and who use our idea without our licence will be killed
  too.Really we need those times back??

 For Christ's sake, get off your fucking high horse. My quip was in
 response to your implication that China chose a BSD license because it
 fit better with their intentions than GPL or similar. As if they gave
 a shit.


Actually I think their decision was quite telling.  The Chinese Gove is not
unaware of intellectual property concerns, they just don't give a shit for
western idiots who patent wonton balls.

Dhu



 -HKS


 
  2009/5/18 (private) HKS hks.priv...@gmail.com:
  2009/5/17 Toma  Bod ar tomas.bod...@gmail.com:
  I know,that's why they choose BSD-style licenced OS ;-)
 
  Yes, because China's respect for copyright and intellectual
  property is legendary.
 
  -HKS
 
 
  2009/5/17 Cem Kayali cemkay...@eticaret.com.tr:
 
  Do you really think Chineese governmnt make source public? Not
  all of
  course
  ;)
 
  Regards,
 
 
 
 
  Jesus Sanchez, 05/17/09 20:58:
 
  TomC!E! BodEC!r escribiC3:
 
  After quick search on web it looks like it's based on FreeBSD
  5.3 (initial version) with Windows like GUI.So it doesn't looks
  so
secure
  now :-) But government agencies must have reason to receive
  money so why don't make wave about dangerous China with their
  new ultra-hyper-super secure system? Ofcourse that there can be
  interesting modifications.Maybe I will try it in Qemu :-)
 
 
  the chinese government really feels so vulnerable against U.S.?
  i mean, they say it like the WWIII will begin soon and we need
  to defend us on the cyberspace with our super-secure OS
 
  and after all they based it on FreeBSD? I'm a OpenBSD user and I
  really feel that I've enought privacy, don't need a
  super-secret-ultra-secure OS nor to say Made In China xD
 
 
  Dne 17. kvD ten 2009 19:28 TomC!E! BodEC!r
  tomas.bod...@gmail.com
  napsal(a):
 
 
  Everyone can try it
 
 
 
 
 
 

http://www.honeytechblog.com/downlod-kylin-operating-system-by-chinaqingbo-w
u
  /
 
 
  2009/5/17 Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca:
 
 
  I just noticed this:
 
  http://www.physorg.com/news161355225.html
 
  about a secure os that's been under development in China
  since around 2k and is now being deployed by the Chinese Gov.
 
  Interestingly, it is built for a hardened
  CPU that, I'd guess, lacks many of the advanced features of
  iNTel architecture cpus.
 
  Anybody have any more info on this?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Dhu

Re: Kylin

2009-05-19 Thread OpenBSD 
El mar, 19-05-2009 a las 09:28 +0100, Michal escribiC3:
 Unlike the western governments who don't give a shit about anyone or
 anything as long as the super elite bankers are feeding them... As a British
 citizen, I can say whole heartedly, mine and America's political system is
 just BS, lets get the bankers to tell us what to do. Would you like an RFID
 chip on the side of your plate of CCTV camera?

Do you mean US, when you said America?

Re: Kylin

2009-05-19 Thread Ted Unangst 
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:54 PM, OpenBSD openbbs...@gmail.com wrote:
 El mar, 19-05-2009 a las 09:28 +0100, Michal escribiC3:
 Unlike the western governments who don't give a shit about anyone or
 anything as long as the super elite bankers are feeding them... As a British
 citizen, I can say whole heartedly, mine and America's political system is
 just BS, lets get the bankers to tell us what to do. Would you like an RFID
 chip on the side of your plate of CCTV camera?

 Do you mean US, when you said America?

He was obviously referring to the organization of american states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_American_States

Re: Kylin

2009-05-18 Thread ropers 
2009/5/18 (private) HKS hks.priv...@gmail.com:

 intellectual property

Hello oxymoron.

OT Re: Kylin

2009-05-18 Thread Diana Eichert 

On Sun, 17 May 2009, Nick Holland wrote:
SNIP

rant
I, for one, would appreciate government agencies taking a paranoid,
security-oriented approach to computer systems, rather than the
approach most governments and businesses are using, which seems to
boil down to, Security Second to Everything Else.  Or like this:
http://www.fcw.com/Articles/2009/05/07/Hacker-demands-ransom-for-data.aspx
where the only bad guy is the person who exploited an insecure
system, not the fools and assholes who left and CREATED it insecure
in the first place (you can tell them I said that).

SNIP

Nick

If anyone is interested you might take a read at this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Carpenter

I used to work down the hall from him.  Since both of us worked late
we'd share some coffee.  About the only thing I can say is he made the
strongest coffee I've ever drank.  :-)

diana

Past hissy-fits are not a predictor of future hissy-fits.
Nick Holland(06 Dec 2005)

OT Re: Kylin

2009-05-18 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt 

Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote:



the chinese government really feels so vulnerable against U.S.?
i mean, they say it like the WWIII will begin soon and we need
to defend us on the cyberspace with our super-secure OS





They're prob'ly as worried about their own hacks as anyone elses,
but given they've built their own chip it's pretty clear they take
the problems with iNtel rom/microcode seriously enough.  Remember
the foo-rah when Sony came up with it's own 64bit chip?  All that
bs about Sadman buying up a gross of playstations 'cause they're
not trojaned with externally modifiable microcode ?
  



seriously, the OS cannot be anything worth writing home to momma about. 
that they choose to run the OS on special cpus is notable since nobody 
really knows what the bios hackers put into their special sauce. intel 
and amd are originally 'western' companies so i wouldn't trust their 
work product as far i could throw it if i were the chinese. speaking of 
which i don't trust the security of products manufactured in china and 
that's most hardware afaik.


i have speculated before that some hardware manufacturers intentionally 
leave exploitable problems in their products on purpose so the machines 
can be penetrated. it would not surprise me at all if this were the case.

Re: Kylin

2009-05-18 Thread (private) HKS 
2009/5/18 Toma Bodar tomas.bod...@gmail.com:
 Common,you think that big western companies which have support from
 western governments care about it?And please don't make white knight
 from western civilization.Everywhere are pros and cons.What type of
 copyright and intellectual property you think?Like Disney which have
 stories based on older stories,but he has law from government on it
 now so original makers has nothing and Disney takes all?And when end
 of this copyright is near some magic happen in government and Disney
 (and others) has next 20 or 50 years.Sounds very respectable for
 copyright and intellectual property of original authors ;-)

 Or maybe you think something like we have.When you create your own
 song and sing it to people somewhere outside of your flat you must pay
 to OSA(something like BSA terrorists,but local).WTH is that.Sounds
 really like care about my copyright - I must pay for my own song ;-)

 Informations are here for share and we can move forward thanks to
 them.If some idiot have patent on double-click then what?One developer
 must incorporated triple-click to his product,next four-click and so
 on?Sounds like history - Earth is just pancake and everyone who want
 to find another idea must use our idea or he will be killed and who
 use our idea without our licence will be killed too.Really we need
 those times back??

For Christ's sake, get off your fucking high horse. My quip was in
response to your implication that China chose a BSD license because it
fit better with their intentions than GPL or similar. As if they gave
a shit.

-HKS



 2009/5/18 (private) HKS hks.priv...@gmail.com:
 2009/5/17 Toma  Bod ar tomas.bod...@gmail.com:
 I know,that's why they choose BSD-style licenced OS ;-)

 Yes, because China's respect for copyright and intellectual property
 is legendary.

 -HKS


 2009/5/17 Cem Kayali cemkay...@eticaret.com.tr:

 Do you really think Chineese governmnt make source public? Not all of
 course
 ;)

 Regards,




 Jesus Sanchez, 05/17/09 20:58:

 TomC!E! BodEC!r escribiC3:

 After quick search on web it looks like it's based on FreeBSD 5.3
 (initial version) with Windows like GUI.So it doesn't looks so secure
 now :-) But government agencies must have reason to receive money so
 why don't make wave about dangerous China with their new
 ultra-hyper-super secure system? Ofcourse that there can be
 interesting modifications.Maybe I will try it in Qemu :-)


 the chinese government really feels so vulnerable against U.S.?
 i mean, they say it like the WWIII will begin soon and we need
 to defend us on the cyberspace with our super-secure OS

 and after all they based it on FreeBSD? I'm a OpenBSD user and
 I really feel that I've enought privacy, don't need a
 super-secret-ultra-secure OS
 nor to say Made In China xD


 Dne 17. kvD ten 2009 19:28 TomC!E! BodEC!r tomas.bod...@gmail.com
 napsal(a):


 Everyone can try it






http://www.honeytechblog.com/downlod-kylin-operating-system-by-chinaqingbo-wu
 /


 2009/5/17 Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca:


 I just noticed this:

 http://www.physorg.com/news161355225.html

 about a secure os that's been under
 development in China since around 2k
 and is now being deployed by the Chinese
 Gov.

 Interestingly, it is built for a hardened
 CPU that, I'd guess, lacks many of the advanced
 features of iNTel architecture cpus.

 Anybody have any more info on this?

 Thanks,

 Dhu

Re: Kylin

2009-05-18 Thread Fosforo 
I don't believe this is the final version... probably something
running under Godson/Loongson ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson

[]s Fosforo

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM, (private) HKS hks.priv...@gmail.com
wrote:
 2009/5/18 Toma  Bod ar tomas.bod...@gmail.com:
 Common,you think that big western companies which have support from
 western governments care about it?And please don't make white knight
 from western civilization.Everywhere are pros and cons.What type of
 copyright and intellectual property you think?Like Disney which have
 stories based on older stories,but he has law from government on it
 now so original makers has nothing and Disney takes all?And when end
 of this copyright is near some magic happen in government and Disney
 (and others) has next 20 or 50 years.Sounds very respectable for
 copyright and intellectual property of original authors ;-)

 Or maybe you think something like we have.When you create your own
 song and sing it to people somewhere outside of your flat you must pay
 to OSA(something like BSA terrorists,but local).WTH is that.Sounds
 really like care about my copyright - I must pay for my own song ;-)

 Informations are here for share and we can move forward thanks to
 them.If some idiot have patent on double-click then what?One developer
 must incorporated triple-click to his product,next four-click and so
 on?Sounds like history - Earth is just pancake and everyone who want
 to find another idea must use our idea or he will be killed and who
 use our idea without our licence will be killed too.Really we need
 those times back??

 For Christ's sake, get off your fucking high horse. My quip was in
 response to your implication that China chose a BSD license because it
 fit better with their intentions than GPL or similar. As if they gave
 a shit.

 -HKS



 2009/5/18 (private) HKS hks.priv...@gmail.com:
 2009/5/17 Toma  Bod ar tomas.bod...@gmail.com:
 I know,that's why they choose BSD-style licenced OS ;-)

 Yes, because China's respect for copyright and intellectual property
 is legendary.

 -HKS


 2009/5/17 Cem Kayali cemkay...@eticaret.com.tr:

 Do you really think Chineese governmnt make source public? Not all of
 course
 ;)

 Regards,




 Jesus Sanchez, 05/17/09 20:58:

 TomC!E! BodEC!r escribiC3:

 After quick search on web it looks like it's based on FreeBSD 5.3
 (initial version) with Windows like GUI.So it doesn't looks so secure
 now :-) But government agencies must have reason to receive money so
 why don't make wave about dangerous China with their new
 ultra-hyper-super secure system? Ofcourse that there can be
 interesting modifications.Maybe I will try it in Qemu :-)


 the chinese government really feels so vulnerable against U.S.?
 i mean, they say it like the WWIII will begin soon and we need
 to defend us on the cyberspace with our super-secure OS

 and after all they based it on FreeBSD? I'm a OpenBSD user and
 I really feel that I've enought privacy, don't need a
 super-secret-ultra-secure OS
 nor to say Made In China xD


 Dne 17. kvD ten 2009 19:28 TomC!E! BodEC!r tomas.bod...@gmail.com
 napsal(a):


 Everyone can try it







http://www.honeytechblog.com/downlod-kylin-operating-system-by-chinaqingbo-wu
 /


 2009/5/17 Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca:


 I just noticed this:

 http://www.physorg.com/news161355225.html

 about a secure os that's been under
 development in China since around 2k
 and is now being deployed by the Chinese
 Gov.

 Interestingly, it is built for a hardened
 CPU that, I'd guess, lacks many of the advanced
 features of iNTel architecture cpus.

 Anybody have any more info on this?

 Thanks,

 Dhu

Re: Kylin

2009-05-18 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell 
On Mon, 18 May 2009 11:08:33 -0400
(private) HKS hks.priv...@gmail.com wrote:

 2009/5/18 Toma Bodar tomas.bod...@gmail.com:
  Common,you think that big western companies which have support from
  western governments care about it?And please don't make white knight
  from western civilization.Everywhere are pros and cons.What type of
  copyright and intellectual property you think?Like Disney which have
  stories based on older stories,but he has law from government on it
  now so original makers has nothing and Disney takes all?And when end
  of this copyright is near some magic happen in government and Disney
  (and others) has next 20 or 50 years.Sounds very respectable for
  copyright and intellectual property of original authors ;-)
 
  Or maybe you think something like we have.When you create your own
  song and sing it to people somewhere outside of your flat you must pay
  to OSA(something like BSA terrorists,but local).WTH is that.Sounds
  really like care about my copyright - I must pay for my own song ;-)
 
  Informations are here for share and we can move forward thanks to
  them.If some idiot have patent on double-click then what?One developer
  must incorporated triple-click to his product,next four-click and so
  on?Sounds like history - Earth is just pancake and everyone who want
  to find another idea must use our idea or he will be killed and who
  use our idea without our licence will be killed too.Really we need
  those times back??

 For Christ's sake, get off your fucking high horse. My quip was in
 response to your implication that China chose a BSD license because it
 fit better with their intentions than GPL or similar. As if they gave
 a shit.


Actually I think their decision was quite telling.  The Chinese
Gove is not unaware of intellectual property concerns, they
just don't give a shit for western idiots who patent wonton balls.

Dhu



 -HKS


 
  2009/5/18 (private) HKS hks.priv...@gmail.com:
  2009/5/17 Toma  Bod ar tomas.bod...@gmail.com:
  I know,that's why they choose BSD-style licenced OS ;-)
 
  Yes, because China's respect for copyright and intellectual property
  is legendary.
 
  -HKS
 
 
  2009/5/17 Cem Kayali cemkay...@eticaret.com.tr:
 
  Do you really think Chineese governmnt make source public? Not all of
  course
  ;)
 
  Regards,
 
 
 
 
  Jesus Sanchez, 05/17/09 20:58:
 
  TomC!E! BodEC!r escribiC3:
 
  After quick search on web it looks like it's based on FreeBSD 5.3
  (initial version) with Windows like GUI.So it doesn't looks so
secure
  now :-) But government agencies must have reason to receive money so
  why don't make wave about dangerous China with their new
  ultra-hyper-super secure system? Ofcourse that there can be
  interesting modifications.Maybe I will try it in Qemu :-)
 
 
  the chinese government really feels so vulnerable against U.S.?
  i mean, they say it like the WWIII will begin soon and we need
  to defend us on the cyberspace with our super-secure OS
 
  and after all they based it on FreeBSD? I'm a OpenBSD user and
  I really feel that I've enought privacy, don't need a
  super-secret-ultra-secure OS
  nor to say Made In China xD
 
 
  Dne 17. kvD ten 2009 19:28 TomC!E! BodEC!r tomas.bod...@gmail.com
  napsal(a):
 
 
  Everyone can try it
 
 
 
 
 
 

http://www.honeytechblog.com/downlod-kylin-operating-system-by-chinaqingbo-wu
  /
 
 
  2009/5/17 Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca:
 
 
  I just noticed this:
 
  http://www.physorg.com/news161355225.html
 
  about a secure os that's been under
  development in China since around 2k
  and is now being deployed by the Chinese
  Gov.
 
  Interestingly, it is built for a hardened
  CPU that, I'd guess, lacks many of the advanced
  features of iNTel architecture cpus.
 
  Anybody have any more info on this?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Dhu

Re: Kylin

2009-05-18 Thread Tomáš Bodžár 
How China can somewhat breach copyright and intellectual property with
BSD licence? ;-)

2009/5/18 (private) HKS hks.priv...@gmail.com:
 2009/5/18 Toma B Bod ar tomas.bod...@gmail.com:
 Common,you think that big western companies which have support from
 western governments care about it?And please don't make white knight
 from western civilization.Everywhere are pros and cons.What type of
 copyright and intellectual property you think?Like Disney which have
 stories based on older stories,but he has law from government on it
 now so original makers has nothing and Disney takes all?And when end
 of this copyright is near some magic happen in government and Disney
 (and others) has next 20 or 50 years.Sounds very respectable for
 copyright and intellectual property of original authors ;-)

 Or maybe you think something like we have.When you create your own
 song and sing it to people somewhere outside of your flat you must pay
 to OSA(something like BSA terrorists,but local).WTH is that.Sounds
 really like care about my copyright - I must pay for my own song ;-)

 Informations are here for share and we can move forward thanks to
 them.If some idiot have patent on double-click then what?One developer
 must incorporated triple-click to his product,next four-click and so
 on?Sounds like history - Earth is just pancake and everyone who want
 to find another idea must use our idea or he will be killed and who
 use our idea without our licence will be killed too.Really we need
 those times back??

 For Christ's sake, get off your fucking high horse. My quip was in
 response to your implication that China chose a BSD license because it
 fit better with their intentions than GPL or similar. As if they gave
 a shit.

 -HKS



 2009/5/18 (private) HKS hks.priv...@gmail.com:
 2009/5/17 Toma B Bod ar tomas.bod...@gmail.com:
 I know,that's why they choose BSD-style licenced OS ;-)

 Yes, because China's respect for copyright and intellectual property
 is legendary.

 -HKS


 2009/5/17 Cem Kayali cemkay...@eticaret.com.tr:

 Do you really think Chineese governmnt make source public? Not all of
 course
 ;)

 Regards,




 Jesus Sanchez, 05/17/09 20:58:

 TomC!E! BodEC!r escribiC3:

 After quick search on web it looks like it's based on FreeBSD 5.3
 (initial version) with Windows like GUI.So it doesn't looks so secure
 now :-) But government agencies must have reason to receive money so
 why don't make wave about dangerous China with their new
 ultra-hyper-super secure system? Ofcourse that there can be
 interesting modifications.Maybe I will try it in Qemu :-)


 the chinese government really feels so vulnerable against U.S.?
 i mean, they say it like the WWIII will begin soon and we need
 to defend us on the cyberspace with our super-secure OS

 and after all they based it on FreeBSD? I'm a OpenBSD user and
 I really feel that I've enought privacy, don't need a
 super-secret-ultra-secure OS
 nor to say Made In China xD


 Dne 17. kvD ten 2009 19:28 TomC!E! BodEC!r tomas.bod...@gmail.com
 napsal(a):


 Everyone can try it







http://www.honeytechblog.com/downlod-kylin-operating-system-by-chinaqingbo-wu
 /


 2009/5/17 Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca:


 I just noticed this:

 http://www.physorg.com/news161355225.html

 about a secure os that's been under
 development in China since around 2k
 and is now being deployed by the Chinese
 Gov.

 Interestingly, it is built for a hardened
 CPU that, I'd guess, lacks many of the advanced
 features of iNTel architecture cpus.

 Anybody have any more info on this?

 Thanks,

 Dhu

Re: Kylin

2009-05-17 Thread Tomáš Bodžár 
Everyone can try it
http://www.honeytechblog.com/downlod-kylin-operating-system-by-chinaqingbo-wu/

2009/5/17 Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca:
 I just noticed this:

 http://www.physorg.com/news161355225.html

 about a secure os that's been under
 development in China since around 2k
 and is now being deployed by the Chinese
 Gov.

 Interestingly, it is built for a hardened
 CPU that, I'd guess, lacks many of the advanced
 features of iNTel architecture cpus.

 Anybody have any more info on this?

 Thanks,

 Dhu





-- 
http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html

Re: Kylin

2009-05-17 Thread Tomáš Bodžár 
After quick search on web it looks like it's based on FreeBSD 5.3
(initial version) with Windows like GUI.So it doesn't looks so secure
now :-) But government agencies must have reason to receive money so
why don't make wave about dangerous China with their new
ultra-hyper-super secure system? Ofcourse that there can be
interesting modifications.Maybe I will try it in Qemu :-)

Dne 17. kvDten 2009 19:28 TomC!E! BodEC!r tomas.bod...@gmail.com
napsal(a):
 Everyone can try it

http://www.honeytechblog.com/downlod-kylin-operating-system-by-chinaqingbo-wu
/

 2009/5/17 Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca:
 I just noticed this:

 http://www.physorg.com/news161355225.html

 about a secure os that's been under
 development in China since around 2k
 and is now being deployed by the Chinese
 Gov.

 Interestingly, it is built for a hardened
 CPU that, I'd guess, lacks many of the advanced
 features of iNTel architecture cpus.

 Anybody have any more info on this?

 Thanks,

 Dhu





 --
 http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html

Re: Kylin

2009-05-17 Thread Jesus Sanchez 

TomC!E! BodEC!r escribiC3:

After quick search on web it looks like it's based on FreeBSD 5.3
(initial version) with Windows like GUI.So it doesn't looks so secure
now :-) But government agencies must have reason to receive money so
why don't make wave about dangerous China with their new
ultra-hyper-super secure system? Ofcourse that there can be
interesting modifications.Maybe I will try it in Qemu :-)
  


the chinese government really feels so vulnerable against U.S.?
i mean, they say it like the WWIII will begin soon and we need
to defend us on the cyberspace with our super-secure OS

and after all they based it on FreeBSD? I'm a OpenBSD user and
I really feel that I've enought privacy, don't need a 
super-secret-ultra-secure OS

nor to say Made In China xD



Dne 17. kvDten 2009 19:28 TomC!E! BodEC!r tomas.bod...@gmail.com
napsal(a):
  

Everyone can try it



http://www.honeytechblog.com/downlod-kylin-operating-system-by-chinaqingbo-wu
/
  

2009/5/17 Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca:


I just noticed this:

http://www.physorg.com/news161355225.html

about a secure os that's been under
development in China since around 2k
and is now being deployed by the Chinese
Gov.

Interestingly, it is built for a hardened
CPU that, I'd guess, lacks many of the advanced
features of iNTel architecture cpus.

Anybody have any more info on this?

Thanks,

Dhu


  


--
http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html

Re: Kylin

2009-05-17 Thread Cem Kayali 

Do you really think Chineese governmnt make source public? Not all of
course ;)

Regards,




Jesus Sanchez, 05/17/09 20:58:

TomC!E! BodEC!r escribiC3:

After quick search on web it looks like it's based on FreeBSD 5.3
(initial version) with Windows like GUI.So it doesn't looks so secure
now :-) But government agencies must have reason to receive money so
why don't make wave about dangerous China with their new
ultra-hyper-super secure system? Ofcourse that there can be
interesting modifications.Maybe I will try it in Qemu :-)



the chinese government really feels so vulnerable against U.S.?
i mean, they say it like the WWIII will begin soon and we need
to defend us on the cyberspace with our super-secure OS

and after all they based it on FreeBSD? I'm a OpenBSD user and
I really feel that I've enought privacy, don't need a
super-secret-ultra-secure OS
nor to say Made In China xD



Dne 17. kvDten 2009 19:28 TomC!E! BodEC!r tomas.bod...@gmail.com
napsal(a):


Everyone can try it





http://www.honeytechblog.com/downlod-kylin-operating-system-by-chinaqingbo-wu


/


2009/5/17 Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca:


I just noticed this:

http://www.physorg.com/news161355225.html

about a secure os that's been under
development in China since around 2k
and is now being deployed by the Chinese
Gov.

Interestingly, it is built for a hardened
CPU that, I'd guess, lacks many of the advanced
features of iNTel architecture cpus.

Anybody have any more info on this?

Thanks,

Dhu





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Re: Kylin

2009-05-17 Thread Tomáš Bodžár 
I know,that's why they choose BSD-style licenced OS ;-)

2009/5/17 Cem Kayali cemkay...@eticaret.com.tr:

 Do you really think Chineese governmnt make source public? Not all of course
 ;)

 Regards,




 Jesus Sanchez, 05/17/09 20:58:

 TomC!E! BodEC!r escribiC3:

 After quick search on web it looks like it's based on FreeBSD 5.3
 (initial version) with Windows like GUI.So it doesn't looks so secure
 now :-) But government agencies must have reason to receive money so
 why don't make wave about dangerous China with their new
 ultra-hyper-super secure system? Ofcourse that there can be
 interesting modifications.Maybe I will try it in Qemu :-)


 the chinese government really feels so vulnerable against U.S.?
 i mean, they say it like the WWIII will begin soon and we need
 to defend us on the cyberspace with our super-secure OS

 and after all they based it on FreeBSD? I'm a OpenBSD user and
 I really feel that I've enought privacy, don't need a
 super-secret-ultra-secure OS
 nor to say Made In China xD


 Dne 17. kvD ten 2009 19:28 TomC!E! BodEC!r tomas.bod...@gmail.com
 napsal(a):


 Everyone can try it




 http://www.honeytechblog.com/downlod-kylin-operating-system-by-chinaqingbo-wu
 /


 2009/5/17 Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca:


 I just noticed this:

 http://www.physorg.com/news161355225.html

 about a secure os that's been under
 development in China since around 2k
 and is now being deployed by the Chinese
 Gov.

 Interestingly, it is built for a hardened
 CPU that, I'd guess, lacks many of the advanced
 features of iNTel architecture cpus.

 Anybody have any more info on this?

 Thanks,

 Dhu

Re: Kylin

2009-05-17 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell 
On Sun, 17 May 2009 21:08:57 +0200
TomC!E! BodEC!r tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know,that's why they choose BSD-style licenced OS ;-)
 
 2009/5/17 Cem Kayali cemkay...@eticaret.com.tr:
 
  Do you really think Chineese governmnt make source public? Not all of course
  ;)
 
  Regards,
 
 
 
 
  Jesus Sanchez, 05/17/09 20:58:
 
  TomC!E! BodEC!r escribiC3:
 
  After quick search on web it looks like it's based on FreeBSD 5.3
  (initial version) with Windows like GUI.So it doesn't looks so secure
  now :-) But government agencies must have reason to receive money so
  why don't make wave about dangerous China with their new
  ultra-hyper-super secure system? Ofcourse that there can be
  interesting modifications.Maybe I will try it in Qemu :-)
 
 
  the chinese government really feels so vulnerable against U.S.?
  i mean, they say it like the WWIII will begin soon and we need
  to defend us on the cyberspace with our super-secure OS
 


They're prob'ly as worried about their own hacks as anyone elses,
but given they've built their own chip it's pretty clear they take
the problems with iNtel rom/microcode seriously enough.  Remember
the foo-rah when Sony came up with it's own 64bit chip?  All that
bs about Sadman buying up a gross of playstations 'cause they're
not trojaned with externally modifiable microcode ?

Dhu




  and after all they based it on FreeBSD? I'm a OpenBSD user and
  I really feel that I've enought privacy, don't need a
  super-secret-ultra-secure OS
  nor to say Made In China xD
 
 
  Dne 17. kvD ten 2009 19:28 TomC!E! BodEC!r tomas.bod...@gmail.com
  napsal(a):
 
 
  Everyone can try it
 
 
 
 
  http://www.honeytechblog.com/downlod-kylin-operating-system-by-chinaqingbo-wu
  /
 
 
  2009/5/17 Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca:
 
 
  I just noticed this:
 
  http://www.physorg.com/news161355225.html
 
  about a secure os that's been under
  development in China since around 2k
  and is now being deployed by the Chinese
  Gov.
 
  Interestingly, it is built for a hardened
  CPU that, I'd guess, lacks many of the advanced
  features of iNTel architecture cpus.
 
  Anybody have any more info on this?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Dhu

Re: Kylin

2009-05-17 Thread (private) HKS 
2009/5/17 Toma Bodar tomas.bod...@gmail.com:
 I know,that's why they choose BSD-style licenced OS ;-)

Yes, because China's respect for copyright and intellectual property
is legendary.

-HKS


 2009/5/17 Cem Kayali cemkay...@eticaret.com.tr:

 Do you really think Chineese governmnt make source public? Not all of
course
 ;)

 Regards,




 Jesus Sanchez, 05/17/09 20:58:

 TomC!E! BodEC!r escribiC3:

 After quick search on web it looks like it's based on FreeBSD 5.3
 (initial version) with Windows like GUI.So it doesn't looks so secure
 now :-) But government agencies must have reason to receive money so
 why don't make wave about dangerous China with their new
 ultra-hyper-super secure system? Ofcourse that there can be
 interesting modifications.Maybe I will try it in Qemu :-)


 the chinese government really feels so vulnerable against U.S.?
 i mean, they say it like the WWIII will begin soon and we need
 to defend us on the cyberspace with our super-secure OS

 and after all they based it on FreeBSD? I'm a OpenBSD user and
 I really feel that I've enought privacy, don't need a
 super-secret-ultra-secure OS
 nor to say Made In China xD


 Dne 17. kvD ten 2009 19:28 TomC!E! BodEC!r tomas.bod...@gmail.com
 napsal(a):


 Everyone can try it





http://www.honeytechblog.com/downlod-kylin-operating-system-by-chinaqingbo-wu
 /


 2009/5/17 Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca:


 I just noticed this:

 http://www.physorg.com/news161355225.html

 about a secure os that's been under
 development in China since around 2k
 and is now being deployed by the Chinese
 Gov.

 Interestingly, it is built for a hardened
 CPU that, I'd guess, lacks many of the advanced
 features of iNTel architecture cpus.

 Anybody have any more info on this?

 Thanks,

 Dhu

Re: Kylin

2009-05-17 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell 
On Sun, 17 May 2009 20:32:59 -0400
(private) HKS hks.priv...@gmail.com wrote:

 2009/5/17 Toma Bodar tomas.bod...@gmail.com:
  I know,that's why they choose BSD-style licenced OS ;-)

 Yes, because China's respect for copyright and intellectual property
 is legendary.

 -HKS


Perhaps this is out of place here, but China's take on IP is that
the flow of ideas has, over the long haul of human history, been
more to the west than anything else.  Consider the economic benefit
accrued by the use of, say pound locks, and you will understand
what I mean.  And then there's gunpowder, invented as a sideline
to research into food preservatives, and then the Gordon Highlanders
show up on their doorstep...

Dhu



  2009/5/17 Cem Kayali cemkay...@eticaret.com.tr:
 
  Do you really think Chineese governmnt make source public? Not all of
 course
  ;)
 
  Regards,
 
 
 
 
  Jesus Sanchez, 05/17/09 20:58:
 
  TomC!E! BodEC!r escribiC3:
 
  After quick search on web it looks like it's based on FreeBSD 5.3
  (initial version) with Windows like GUI.So it doesn't looks so secure
  now :-) But government agencies must have reason to receive money so
  why don't make wave about dangerous China with their new
  ultra-hyper-super secure system? Ofcourse that there can be
  interesting modifications.Maybe I will try it in Qemu :-)
 
 
  the chinese government really feels so vulnerable against U.S.?
  i mean, they say it like the WWIII will begin soon and we need
  to defend us on the cyberspace with our super-secure OS
 
  and after all they based it on FreeBSD? I'm a OpenBSD user and
  I really feel that I've enought privacy, don't need a
  super-secret-ultra-secure OS
  nor to say Made In China xD
 
 
  Dne 17. kvD ten 2009 19:28 TomC!E! BodEC!r tomas.bod...@gmail.com
  napsal(a):
 
 
  Everyone can try it
 
 
 
 
 

http://www.honeytechblog.com/downlod-kylin-operating-system-by-chinaqingbo-wu
  /
 
 
  2009/5/17 Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca:
 
 
  I just noticed this:
 
  http://www.physorg.com/news161355225.html
 
  about a secure os that's been under
  development in China since around 2k
  and is now being deployed by the Chinese
  Gov.
 
  Interestingly, it is built for a hardened
  CPU that, I'd guess, lacks many of the advanced
  features of iNTel architecture cpus.
 
  Anybody have any more info on this?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Dhu

Re: Kylin

2009-05-17 Thread Nick Holland 
Jesus Sanchez wrote:
 TomC!E! BodEC!r escribiC3:
 After quick search on web it looks like it's based on FreeBSD 5.3
 (initial version) with Windows like GUI.So it doesn't looks so secure
 now :-) But government agencies must have reason to receive money so
 why don't make wave about dangerous China with their new
 ultra-hyper-super secure system? Ofcourse that there can be
 interesting modifications.Maybe I will try it in Qemu :-)
   
 
 the chinese government really feels so vulnerable against U.S.?
 i mean, they say it like the WWIII will begin soon and we need
 to defend us on the cyberspace with our super-secure OS

in case you haven't noticed, the Internet IS a war zone.  The
battle is well underway, and has been for a number of years.
This idea of international cyber warfare is scary to me
primarily because if China can break into my government's
servers, Joe-Bob Hacker probably can, too.  If my government
can break into China's servers, Joe-Bob can do that, too.
The difference is, Joe-Bob Hacker doesn't have to wait for
formal declarations of war.  He's at work now.  He isn't
worried about retaliation or international trade implications.
He just wants a quick profit. Now.
This is one of the more level battlefields in the history of
warfare, I suspect.

A secure OS is probably one of the more purely defensive
weapons around...

rant
I, for one, would appreciate government agencies taking a paranoid,
security-oriented approach to computer systems, rather than the
approach most governments and businesses are using, which seems to
boil down to, Security Second to Everything Else.  Or like this:
http://www.fcw.com/Articles/2009/05/07/Hacker-demands-ransom-for-data.aspx
where the only bad guy is the person who exploited an insecure
system, not the fools and assholes who left and CREATED it insecure
in the first place (you can tell them I said that).

If you build and run a bank with a flimsy interior-grade door on
the vault, no guard and no lock on the front door, and someone
robs the bank, yes, the robber is not a good person, BUT neither
are the people who avoided doing the RIGHT THINGS to secure the
bank.  Yet, the media and officials are spending large amounts
of time condemning those that exploit opportunities, and
treating the people who created the opportunities as innocent
victims.

If this prompts other countries and governments to get off their
asses and start taking proactive security seriously, great.
/rant

 and after all they based it on FreeBSD? I'm a OpenBSD user and
 I really feel that I've enought privacy, don't need a 
 super-secret-ultra-secure OS
 nor to say Made In China xD

As at least some Chinese people are not proficient in the language
that most of the mainstream OS are written in (though I'm sure an
awful lot of them could correct my grammar *sigh*), so I can easily
imagine the benefit to a home grown OS with a little less of an
English bias.

Nick.

Re: Kylin

2009-05-17 Thread Tomáš Bodžár 
Common,you think that big western companies which have support from
western governments care about it?And please don't make white knight
from western civilization.Everywhere are pros and cons.What type of
copyright and intellectual property you think?Like Disney which have
stories based on older stories,but he has law from government on it
now so original makers has nothing and Disney takes all?And when end
of this copyright is near some magic happen in government and Disney
(and others) has next 20 or 50 years.Sounds very respectable for
copyright and intellectual property of original authors ;-)

Or maybe you think something like we have.When you create your own
song and sing it to people somewhere outside of your flat you must pay
to OSA(something like BSA terrorists,but local).WTH is that.Sounds
really like care about my copyright - I must pay for my own song ;-)

Informations are here for share and we can move forward thanks to
them.If some idiot have patent on double-click then what?One developer
must incorporated triple-click to his product,next four-click and so
on?Sounds like history - Earth is just pancake and everyone who want
to find another idea must use our idea or he will be killed and who
use our idea without our licence will be killed too.Really we need
those times back??

2009/5/18 (private) HKS hks.priv...@gmail.com:
 2009/5/17 Toma B Bod ar tomas.bod...@gmail.com:
 I know,that's why they choose BSD-style licenced OS ;-)

 Yes, because China's respect for copyright and intellectual property
 is legendary.

 -HKS


 2009/5/17 Cem Kayali cemkay...@eticaret.com.tr:

 Do you really think Chineese governmnt make source public? Not all of
 course
 ;)

 Regards,




 Jesus Sanchez, 05/17/09 20:58:

 TomC!E! BodEC!r escribiC3:

 After quick search on web it looks like it's based on FreeBSD 5.3
 (initial version) with Windows like GUI.So it doesn't looks so secure
 now :-) But government agencies must have reason to receive money so
 why don't make wave about dangerous China with their new
 ultra-hyper-super secure system? Ofcourse that there can be
 interesting modifications.Maybe I will try it in Qemu :-)


 the chinese government really feels so vulnerable against U.S.?
 i mean, they say it like the WWIII will begin soon and we need
 to defend us on the cyberspace with our super-secure OS

 and after all they based it on FreeBSD? I'm a OpenBSD user and
 I really feel that I've enought privacy, don't need a
 super-secret-ultra-secure OS
 nor to say Made In China xD


 Dne 17. kvD ten 2009 19:28 TomC!E! BodEC!r tomas.bod...@gmail.com
 napsal(a):


 Everyone can try it






http://www.honeytechblog.com/downlod-kylin-operating-system-by-chinaqingbo-wu
 /


 2009/5/17 Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca:


 I just noticed this:

 http://www.physorg.com/news161355225.html

 about a secure os that's been under
 development in China since around 2k
 and is now being deployed by the Chinese
 Gov.

 Interestingly, it is built for a hardened
 CPU that, I'd guess, lacks many of the advanced
 features of iNTel architecture cpus.

 Anybody have any more info on this?

 Thanks,

 Dhu