Re: OT: Re: Most nonesense I've ever read about mod_perl

2000-05-08 Thread Frank Mayhar
Michael hall wrote: You make me sound ancient :-) When I started at the UofM (1971) it was Fortran 77 [...] ^^ Eh? :-) Fortran IV, maybe. theory, algorithms, style, etc., just dry examples out of text books. Lot of good any of that

Re: OT: Re: Most nonesense I've ever read about mod_perl

2000-05-08 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Sun, 7 May 2000, Frank Mayhar wrote: Perl does have some good constructs for Web work, too. I've been writing a webstore and some stuff is really convenient that would be inconvenient in C. On the other hand, there's some stuff that I just wouldn't use Perl for, like, say, a system

Re: Problem compiling mod_perl 1.23 on Solaris 2.4

2000-05-08 Thread Steve Hay
John D Groenveld wrote: -Xa is a Sun WorkShop Compiler C 4.2 option, -X[a|c|s|t] Specifies the degree of conformance to the ANSI C stan- dard. Specifies one of the following: a (ANSI) ANSI C plus KR C compatibility extensions, with

RE: Most nonesense I've ever read about mod_perl

2000-05-08 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Sun, 7 May 2000, Jeff Stuart wrote: [...rest of message deleted...] Every language has it use, the truly knowledgeable understand when to use each language:) Sam Amen to that!!! I think that this point and the point about writing GOOD algorithms are VERY important ones and I think

RE: Most nonesense I've ever read about mod_perl

2000-05-08 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 08:55 AM 5/8/00 +0100, Matt Sergeant wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2000, Jeff Stuart wrote: [...rest of message deleted...] Every language has it use, the truly knowledgeable understand when to use each language:) Sam Amen to that!!! I think that this point and the point about writing

Re: Most nonesense I've ever read about mod_perl

2000-05-08 Thread shane-netpliance
On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 08:55:56AM +0100, Matt Sergeant wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2000, Jeff Stuart wrote: [...rest of message deleted...] Every language has it use, the truly knowledgeable understand when to use each language:) Sam Amen to that!!! I think that this point and the

Re: Most nonesense I've ever read about mod_perl

2000-05-08 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 01:44 AM 5/8/00 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 08:55:56AM +0100, Matt Sergeant wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2000, Jeff Stuart wrote: [...rest of message deleted...] Every language has it use, the truly knowledgeable understand when to use each language:)

Re: Most nonesense I've ever read about mod_perl

2000-05-08 Thread shane
For GUI programming, I think a "beautiful" object design is exceptionally important. But once you leave the GUI space, you've left the area where "beautiful" object designs add much benefit. Most of us programmers are relagated to things that are less beautiful, but rather functional.

RE: Newbie Question -

2000-05-08 Thread Geoffrey Young
-Original Message- From: Doug MacEachern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 6:22 PM To: Geoffrey Young Cc: 'Pierre J. Nicolas'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Newbie Question - mod_perl overrides the perl print() function - print()ing to STDOUT

[excitement :)] mod_perl rocks!

2000-05-08 Thread Stas Bekman
Take a look at the updated graph of the mod_perl growth: http://perl.apache.org/netcraft/ Pay attention to the ramp! BTW, Apache holds 61.53% of the server market share!!! http://www.netcraft.co.uk/survey/ __ Stas Bekman

Re: [excitement :)] mod_perl rocks!

2000-05-08 Thread Tim Sweetman
Stas Bekman wrote: Take a look at the updated graph of the mod_perl growth: http://perl.apache.org/netcraft/ Pay attention to the ramp! BTW, Apache holds 61.53% of the server market share!!! http://www.netcraft.co.uk/survey/ guess accuracy=wild Does this have as much to do with the

Getting ENV in PerlTransHandler

2000-05-08 Thread sadhanandham balaraman
Hi, How do I get ENV variables values in my PerlTransHandler. I want to know the HTTP_USER_AGENT in my PerlTransHandler. Please suggest me. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail

Re: [excitement :)] mod_perl rocks!

2000-05-08 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi Stas, On Mon, 8 May 2000, Stas Bekman wrote: Take a look at the updated graph of the mod_perl growth: http://perl.apache.org/netcraft/ Pay attention to the ramp! BTW, Apache holds 61.53% of the server market share!!! So it's gone down a bit then?? 73, Ged.

Re: modperl rocks

2000-05-08 Thread shane
Does this have as much to do with the growth of the 'net as with the popularity of mod_perl /guess Unless the growth of websites has doubled in 2000, no. Which is well..., unlikely. The number of sites that netcraft surveyed might have doubled in the last 4 months though..., that is

[OT] Re: [excitement :)] mod_perl rocks!

2000-05-08 Thread Stas Bekman
On Mon, 8 May 2000, G.W. Haywood wrote: Hi Stas, On Mon, 8 May 2000, Stas Bekman wrote: Take a look at the updated graph of the mod_perl growth: http://perl.apache.org/netcraft/ Pay attention to the ramp! BTW, Apache holds 61.53% of the server market share!!! So it's

Re: [excitement :)] mod_perl rocks!

2000-05-08 Thread Richard Dice
Tim: Mod_perl isn't going to grow if Apache doesn't grow if the Web doesn't grow if the Internet doesn't grow... at least, not until technologies start eating into each other's pre-installed base. And that's a hard thing to do. However, what Stas was pointing out was the explosive growth of

Re: [excitement :)] mod_perl rocks!

2000-05-08 Thread Salve J Nilsen
Suddenly, Tim Sweetman uttered: Stas Bekman wrote: Take a look at the updated graph of the mod_perl growth: http://perl.apache.org/netcraft/ Pay attention to the ramp! BTW, Apache holds 61.53% of the server market share!!! http://www.netcraft.co.uk/survey/ guess

RE: [excitement :)] mod_perl rocks!

2000-05-08 Thread Mark D Wolinski
I don't mean to rain on the parade, but... The more important number would be to look at the number of unique IPs, which has only moderately grown. I installed mod_perl this weekend on my main server to start testing it, etc. Netcraft, of course, reports that I've got mod_perl, which may be

RE: [excitement :)] mod_perl rocks!

2000-05-08 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Mon, 8 May 2000, Mark D Wolinski wrote: I don't mean to rain on the parade, but... The more important number would be to look at the number of unique IPs, which has only moderately grown. I installed mod_perl this weekend on my main server to start testing it, etc. Netcraft, of

Re: PerlAddVar ?

2000-05-08 Thread Drew Taylor
Stas Bekman wrote: Cool! I guess it's a non-documented feature :) it's documented in ch9 of the eagle book :) If it is, consider it documented in the next version of the Guide :) I'm looking at page 456 right now, and from my newbie perspective, I conclude it's mostly documented. :-)

Re: Newbie Question -

2000-05-08 Thread Drew Taylor
Adi wrote: Jim Winstead wrote: On May 05, Adi wrote: You can still use CGI.pm from within mod_perl (and you should). There is nothing better at handling data passed from a browser via HTTP POST and/or GET. If you currently use CGI.pm, I think you'll find that a lot of your

Core dump: Solaris 2.7/mod_perl1.23/Apache1.3.12/perl5.6.0

2000-05-08 Thread Alan Burlison
This is a new one on me. mod_perl is built with APXS and perl is built with -DDL_UNLOAD_ALL_AT_EXIT, so it isn't coredumping during startup, but it cores the first time an access is made. Anyone have any suggestions? =[1] perl_header_parser(0xd9480, 0xff16ca04, 0xa, 0xd9480, 0x2f707269,

Re: OT: Re: Most nonesense I've ever read about mod_perl

2000-05-08 Thread Frank Mayhar
Matt Sergeant wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2000, Frank Mayhar wrote: Perl does have some good constructs for Web work, too. I've been writing a webstore and some stuff is really convenient that would be inconvenient in C. On the other hand, there's some stuff that I just wouldn't use Perl for,

Perl based file upload CGI on Apache server

2000-05-08 Thread David Coley
I apologize immediately if this is not the proper forum for this question, however I have a Perl CGI I am running on a Apache based server, and the script is known to work properly however when I look at the file it has a size of ZERO...meaning the file name appears in the directory it

Consolidated Log Files

2000-05-08 Thread Angel R. Rivera
We have a setup where an Alpha provided DBMS and content services to the actual web server front-ends. What I would like to know is how I can get all these 4 web servers to write to one log file? Would using something apache DBILogger be the way to go? -ar Angel R. Rivera, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Consolidated Log Files

2000-05-08 Thread Jerrad Pierce
http://www.virtualschool.edu/lang/perl/CuteTricksPerlApache.html#Logging_to_ syslog o _ /|/ | Jerrad Pierce \ | __|_ _| /||/ http://pthbb.org . | _| | \|| _.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._@" _|\_|___|___|

Re: speed up/load balancing of session-based sites

2000-05-08 Thread Leslie Mikesell
According to Jeffrey W. Baker: I keep meaning to write this up as an Apache:: module, but it's pretty trivial to cons up an application-specific version. The only thing this doesn't provide is a way to deal with large data structures. But generally if the application is big enough to

Am I Defeating The Purpose?

2000-05-08 Thread Pierre J. Nicolas
I've been tyring for the past several days to stop the infamous "Undefined Subroutine" messages. I implemented "solution 2" by adding a "require" statement in all of my scripts. That still didn't do it. However, I just started using "do" and everything is working fine now. I know that "do"

apache1.3.12, modperl1.23, perl5.6, ApacheJServ1.1, OpenSSL0.9.4, modssl

2000-05-08 Thread Thomas Apsel
Hi, I am building an apache web server for serveral operating systems: Solaris, HPUX, AIX and Windows NT. My apache is based on: apache_1.3.12/ openssl-0.9.4/ mod_ssl-2.6.2-1.3.12/ ApacheJServ-1.1/

growing processes

2000-05-08 Thread Wim Kerkhoff
I'm running into something kind of strange... On a fresh restart of apache, my processes are about 20 ~ 25 MB each, which is about normal for mod_perl (as far as I know). However, within a few hours (with little use except by our development team), the size is up to 40MB, and by the end of the

RE: Session management moudle suggestions?

2000-05-08 Thread Gerald Richter
I've avoided session management like the plague until now (intranets let you get away with that sort of thing :)) but rolling out web-based LDAP is forcing session management upon me. Other than Apache::Session what are my choices? Build your own... How well do any of these play with

Re: Session management moudle suggestions?

2000-05-08 Thread John Armstrong
We are using HTML::Mason and Apache::Session with great results. Apache::Session::DBI was killing us for some reason but moving it to our network appliance box and Apache::Session:File has really pumped up our performance. When you really start using sessions you can get some cool stuff out

Re: Session management moudle suggestions?

2000-05-08 Thread Paul Lindner
On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 11:41:39AM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote: I've avoided session management like the plague until now (intranets let you get away with that sort of thing :)) but rolling out web-based LDAP is forcing session management upon me. Other than Apache::Session what are my

Re: make test fails, httpd fails to start

2000-05-08 Thread Stas Bekman
On Mon, 8 May 2000, Steve Bauer wrote: I have apache 1.3.12, and mod_perl 1.23. both apache and mod_perl build successfully, but make test fails. the output from "make test" is: cp t/conf/mod_perl_srm.conf t/conf/srm.conf ../apache_1.3.12/src/httpd -f `pwd`/t/conf/httpd.conf -X -d `pwd`/t

Re: make test fails, httpd fails to start

2000-05-08 Thread Steve Bauer
The file t/logs/error_log is never created. httpd fails because /t/conf/httpd.conf looks more like a pod file than a httpd.conf. How is the correct httpd.conf file supposed to be created? What can I do to determine why the creation is not happening?? Steve Bauer Stas Bekman wrote: On

ANNOUNCE: HTML::Mason 0.85

2000-05-08 Thread Jonathan Swartz
The URL http://www.masonhq.com/download/HTML-Mason-0.85.tar.gz has entered CPAN as file: $CPAN/authors/id/J/JS/JSWARTZ/HTML-Mason-0.85.tar.gz size: 256559 bytes md5: 430067fc80d7194292b4e5c00f01da2b Mason is a component-based web site development system with caching,

Re: make test fails, httpd fails to start

2000-05-08 Thread Stas Bekman
On Mon, 8 May 2000, Steve Bauer wrote: The file t/logs/error_log is never created. httpd fails because /t/conf/httpd.conf looks more like a pod file than a httpd.conf. That's fine. How is the correct httpd.conf file supposed to be created? What can I do to determine why the creation is

Re: apache1.3.12, modperl1.23, perl5.6, ApacheJServ1.1, OpenSSL0.9.4, modssl

2000-05-08 Thread Jeff . Bulley
I've expirienced similar problems on Solaris (2.6). After a weeks worth of hours I feel confidant saying that the instability is from perl 5.6.0 NOT from mod_perl(1.23) Problems resulting from the Sys::Syslog created problems for other modules that relied on things like Net::Daemon and PlRPC

Re: speed up/load balancing of session-based sites

2000-05-08 Thread Jeffrey W. Baker
On Mon, 8 May 2000, Leslie Mikesell wrote: According to Jeffrey W. Baker: I keep meaning to write this up as an Apache:: module, but it's pretty trivial to cons up an application-specific version. The only thing this doesn't provide is a way to deal with large data structures. But

Re: growing processes

2000-05-08 Thread Wim Kerkhoff
On 08-May-2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I AM NOT AN EXPERT. Which is why I didn't post to the list. I just happened to notice your question, and since everyone seems to be out to lunch, I though I'd give it a whack. Thanks... I'm a quite new to mod_perl as well, and on some of the things I

Re: apache1.3.12, modperl1.23, perl5.6, ApacheJServ1.1, OpenSSL0.9.4, modssl

2000-05-08 Thread Jeff . Bulley
CN=Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 05/08/2000 03:43:00 PM Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent From the mail file of: Jeff Bulley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: apache1.3.12, modperl1.23, perl5.6, ApacheJServ1.1, OpenSSL0.9.4, modssl Hmm. We've had very different relations

Re: speed up/load balancing of session-based sites

2000-05-08 Thread Greg Cope
: On Mon, 8 May 2000, Leslie Mikesell wrote: : : According to Jeffrey W. Baker: : :I keep meaning to write this up as an Apache:: module, but it's pretty trivial :to cons up an application-specific version. The only thing this doesn't :provide is a way to deal with large data

Re: Core dump: Solaris 2.7/mod_perl1.23/Apache1.3.12/perl5.6.0

2000-05-08 Thread Alan Burlison
Some more info: I've rebuilt everything with debug, and the SEGV is happening in mod_perl.c in the following code: #ifdef PERL_HEADER_PARSER int PERL_HEADER_PARSER_HOOK(request_rec *r) { dSTATUS; dPPDIR; #ifdef PERL_INIT PERL_CALLBACK("PerlInitHandler",

Re: speed up/load balancing of session-based sites

2000-05-08 Thread Tom Mornini
On Mon, 8 May 2000, Leslie Mikesell wrote: On my sites, I use the session as a general purpose data sink. I find that I can significantly improve user experience by keeping things in the session related to the user-site interaction. These session object contain way more information

Re: growing processes

2000-05-08 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Mon, 8 May 2000, Wim Kerkhoff wrote: On a fresh restart of apache, my processes are about 20 ~ 25 MB each, which is about normal for mod_perl (as far as I know). However, within a few hours (with little use except by our development team), the size is up to 40MB, and by the end of the day

Re: Am I Defeating The Purpose?

2000-05-08 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Mon, 8 May 2000, Pierre J. Nicolas wrote: I've been tyring for the past several days to stop the infamous "Undefined Subroutine" messages. I implemented "solution 2" by adding a "require" statement in all of my scripts. That still didn't do it. Why do you have this problem in the first

Re: growing processes

2000-05-08 Thread Tim Bishop
You're probably doing something that is causing certain variables to have temporarily large values. As always, start with the guide: http://perl.apache.org/guide/performance.html#Memory_leakage You should also make sure you're doing the usual pre-loading and other suggestions from this

Re: speed up/load balancing of session-based sites

2000-05-08 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 10:13 PM 5/8/00 +0100, Greg Cope wrote: : On Mon, 8 May 2000, Leslie Mikesell wrote: : : According to Jeffrey W. Baker: : :I keep meaning to write this up as an Apache:: module, but it's pretty trivial :to cons up an application-specific version. The only thing this doesn't :

RE: speed up/load balancing of session-based sites

2000-05-08 Thread indrek siitan
Hi, As far as I knew Apache::Session has never even had anything to do with cookies. It is a persistent storage mechanism where the session "handle" is uniquely generated ID. and where do you think the session ID is kept? yup. right. in a cookie. Rgds, Tfr --== [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==