RE: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-06-27 Thread N. Glen Dickey
Gerhard, Wim Nusselder and all, Gerhard wrote: The subjectivity in MoQ is still one of my headaches, it should not be there. I surmise that you are not an engineer. How many ways are there to build a bridge? Which one is the true bridge? Nonsense. They all do the same thing but there are

Re: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-06-27 Thread Andrea Sosio
N. Glen Dickey wrote: To my ear it sure sounds like you don't think the Nigerians don't bear much resonsibility for themselves and from my point of view that opinion is rascist. Why should I hold the Nigerians to less of a standard than I hold myself and my own countrymen? They don't seem

RE: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-06-27 Thread Stephen Devlin
hello aretelaugh,I agree with you that violence sometimes is an option, a civilised man knows when it is called for and when it is futile. A lot of the martial arts around today have their origins in forms dating back 100's of years to a 1000yrs, in many cases the origin of these martial arts was

Re: MD Religion/God ~ MoQ/DQ

2001-06-27 Thread Elizaphanian
Hi all, Jonathan wrote: The universe is complete (UNI) * BY DEFINITION *. i.e. it IS an axiom. As soon as the universe starts to look incomplete, then what we are looking at is something less than the whole universe. Sam's question: this is indeed what I was groping towards, but I think

Re: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-06-27 Thread Elizaphanian
Stephen wrote: i don't know of any martial art that doesn't take the only for defense, never attack line seriously when you talk to its senior practitioners. Aikido certainly does, and I would argue that ju-jitsu is sympathetic to acting only in self-defense (or defense of another). I

Re: MD Religion/God ~ MoQ/DQ

2001-06-27 Thread Wim Nusselder
Dear Rasheed, You wrote 26/6 15:33 -0400: Pirsig ... sees DQ as the source of all new things, like an inventor, and sQ as its secretary which simply takes note of what has happened so that he doesn't forget. ... P.S. That was a pretty horrible analogy I don't agree with your P.S.. I

RE: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-06-27 Thread Stephen Devlin
I agree with you on the subject of firearms but they do have a place (last night I watched a documentary on how the Taliban have been massacring their own Afghan countrymen, wiping out villages etc,there was film showing people being executed for no reason, the villagers value their lives and are

MD Design or subjectivism

2001-06-27 Thread Gerhard Ersdal
Glen, I rather fed up with the MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up subject, so I changed it for this particular dicussion. Gerhard wrote: The subjectivity in [the results of] MoQ is still one of my headaches, it should not be there. Glen wrote: I surmise that you are not an engineer.

RE: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-06-27 Thread N. Glen Dickey
Andrea, Stephen, Sam, and all, Andrea wrote, so your point is: oppression does not exist; or in other words, blame on the oppressed. Why aren't they fighting and dying for their freedom? They must really have no backbone. My point is that to absolve the Nigerians for all responsibility for

RE: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-06-27 Thread Gerhard Ersdal
Glen Dickey, Gerhard wrote: IMO, Libertarianism is like trying to swim with an outboard motor, you have great possibilities for a high speed experience, but this is the only quality you can have hopes for - and you will probably drown before you get things going. The thing will not work

RE: MD Design or subjectivism

2001-06-27 Thread N. Glen Dickey
Gerhard and all, Glen wrote: I surmise that you are not an engineer. Gerhard wrote: BTW - In fact I am a structural engineer and have been responsible for disigning some bridges and tall bildings, but my speciality is offshore structures. I retract my surmise with surprise and apologise.

Re: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-06-27 Thread Elizaphanian
Sam wrote: The point being that violence begets violence; even if there arise situations that leave us no alternative but a violent response, those situations have come about because of poor judgement, mistakes or plain evil intent earlier on in the process. The only way to make things

Re: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-06-27 Thread Andi Norby
Sam, Although I don't disagree with you on your main points in your last post about the need to utilize some sort of low level restraint when it comes to individuals who are behaving violently, I feel the need to disagree with your statement, And the fact that it IS young men who cause the

Re: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-06-27 Thread Elizaphanian
Andi wrote: It's really unfair to blame the problem of violence in young males so largely on hormones. My last post was somewhat hastily written, and there were some things I didn't spell out. I actually don't think we disagree too much on this. My view is really that there is a

RE: MD Design or subjectivism

2001-06-27 Thread Gerhard Ersdal
Glen and others, Glen, thank you for answering my mail. Glen wrote: I retract my surmise with surprise and apologise. No apologises needed, but it was enjoyable that you should select such a statement and including bridges to your example. Glen wrote: Could define a system that contains an

RE: MD Relations between levels

2001-06-27 Thread Lawrence DeBivort
Greetings, Wim, Static patterns can control systems at all levels, big or small, individual or collective. A subsystem may be the place where dynamic change is launched upon the larger system to which it belongs, or dynamic change can be initiated at the level of the system-as-a-whole, and

RE: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-06-27 Thread N. Glen Dickey
Gerhard, Sam, Elizaphanian and all, Gerhard wrote: I do not expect that the goverment is going to force people to experience dynamic qualities, but I have hopes for a goverment giving optimal possibility for the people to experience DQ. I don't think the State can do that. I think the state