Dear Lawry,
Your 27/6 17:51 -0400 post should be an
evaluation of my analogy
Biological/Social/Intellectual evolution can be seen as a
process by which weak Dynamic forces at a subatomic/subcellular/individual level
discover stratagems for overcoming huge static inorganic/biological/social
Dear Dan,
You wrote 28/6 1:13 -0500:
If you really want my advice,
yes. Give up your pursuit [of Dynamic Quality]. It has been my
experience that the 'spirit' which we believe we pursue will find us more
righteous unaware. Just do [static] good.
I agree. The religions I value all
teach
Hi Marco:
But in the end, Pirsig was glad to get rid of Lila:
Across the cabin, on the pilot berth, Phaedrus saw that her suitcase
was gone. There was a nice empty hole there. That was good. That
meant he could get the trays of slips back out and have room to get to
work on them again. That
Hi Horse, John B:
The MoQ is a statement about reality. Pirsig is part of that reality but not it's
entireity - the
MoQ would be as true a statement about reality whether he existed or not.
The MoQ gives us a target to aim for - a bullseye is great but not necessary. To be
the best
Dear John,
You write 3/7 16:18
+1000:
the very nature of quality must differ
according to my individual history and the developmental stages through which I
have passed.
I agree. The DQ jump to the
moon starts from a platform of already existing static patterns of value.
DQ is
Platt wrote:
By the way, humanitarians dedicated to eliminate suffering should note the
following passage:
If you eliminate suffering from this world you eliminate life. There's no
evolution. Those species that don't suffer don't survive. Suffering is the
negative face of Quality that
(Sorry, I sent the former version by mistake)
More and more I become aare of the relevance of the very concept of a point of
view
(and some flexibility in switching from one another) to the MOQ (that good old
Sophism).
The very same sentence you quote, Platt, also tells us that we must strife to
Glen,
Just to clarify my point of view on a few things (if they was unclear).
Glen wrote:
I think you are being ridiculous and no doubt you think I am a
barbarian. Your points are articulately put and I can understand your line
of reasoning even if I disagree with it, as I hope you can
As for being the best you can be, join the U.S. Army. That's their
motto--the point being you don't need the MOQ to inspire you to
excellence.
You may be interested to know that that slogan -- Be all you can be -- was
quite consciously developed for the US army by a group of people who were
Platt,
I think we should have a goal: To live fully after our principles. I also believe that
the goals you set, should be something to strive against, and nothing you should
expect to suceed in easily. In short; I think you are setting to high
It the moment I'm not certain that MoQ are
Dear Platt,
You wrote 4/7 8:37 -0400:
By the way, humanitarians
dedicated to eliminate suffering should note the following passage:'If you
eliminate suffering from this world you eliminate life. There's no evolution.
Those species that don't suffer don't survive. Suffering is the negative
Hi Glen and All
On 3 Jul 2001, at 9:43, N. Glen Dickey wrote:
The purpose of the Thought Experiment was to see if there were any
conditions in which capital punishment would be justified. It seems like
you are saying there would be, which while we might differ on the
circumstances we seem
Hi Sam:
SAM:
This may or may not be germane to the question of Pirsig's posited
hypocrisy, but in point of fact, the MoQ itself does not require
vegetarianism. In this instance RMP is making a tacit assumption about the
viability of human life on a vegetarian diet; if that assumption is
Hi Platt and All
On 4 Jul 2001, at 8:58, Platt Holden wrote:
It's hard to remove Pirsig from the MOQ because the novel in which it is
set forth is all about him. Lila is autobiographical, unlike any of
Shakespeare's plays.
It may be hard but it is also necessary - otherwise you don't
Hi Gerhard
On 4 Jul 2001, at 21:13, Gerhard Ersdal wrote:
It the moment I'm not certain that MoQ are defining my goal, as I am more confused
now on the deductions from MoQ
than I was when I joined this list. I was used to having the goals defined by
humanitarianism and utilitarianism, but
Hi Platt
On 4 Jul 2001, at 20:17, Platt Holden wrote:
Neither you nor I nor most of Western civilization can accept that moral
precept, throwing the metaphysics of evolutionary morality-- that
Pirsig invented and delineated -- into question.
So because of the moral decrepitude of much of
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