Re: [Mpls] BOYCOTT MARKET BAR-B-QUE (The e-mail)

2003-07-12 Thread David Shove
White racism is never having to say you're sorry. --David Shove Roseville On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lack of empathy on this list for the family who attended Market Bar-B-Que, and the urge to rationalize and otherwise excuse the behavior of the people who served

[Mpls] Driver eluding Minneapolis police crashes into SUV, killing itsdriver

2003-07-12 Thread Shawn Lewis
Driver eluding Minneapolis police crashes into SUV, killing its driver Howie Padilla and Terry Collins, Star Tribune Published July 12, 2003 A woman was killed early Friday evening when a driver trying to elude Minneapolis police officers crashed into her sport-utility vehicle, police

[Mpls] Police investigating homicide in south Minneapolis

2003-07-12 Thread Shawn Lewis
Police investigating homicide in south Minneapolis Published July 12, 2003 Police are trying to determine the motive in the apparent shooting death of a person in south Minneapolis Thursday night. Officers responded to a report of gunshots at 2801 Park Av. S. in the Phillips

[Mpls] Old Mpls|Market BBQ|Appointments

2003-07-12 Thread Im Nobody
Issue: Old Minneapolis Hurray for Tim for remembering Schatzlein. I read a story on how farmers used to bring their implements to Schatzlein back in 1912 when it was all farmlard south of Lake Street. So, Schatzlein is a REAL oldie that is hanging on. And in Minneapolis, that's some kind of

Re: [Mpls] BOYCOTT MARKET BAR-B-QUE (The e-mail)

2003-07-12 Thread Peter T Schmitz
Britt says: Finally, those who profess to want to know the whole story before drawing any conclusions should hope for a lawsuit. Peter says: This goes for our city as well as Market Bar-B-Que. Now that our current Mayor and City Council gutted the Civilian Review Authority, directing

RE: [Mpls] BOYCOTT MARKET BAR-B-QUE (The e-mail)

2003-07-12 Thread David Brauer
Peter writes: Being a white racist in Minnesota means never having to say you're sorry because you can always call people in the South racist. Peter SchmitzCARAG I could just as glibly say being a guilt-ridden white person in Minnesota means never having to prove your case.

[Mpls] RT hits a homer and one that is still up in the air. Phillips is why we need neighborhood control of NRP and Planning.

2003-07-12 Thread JIM GRAHAM
I read with pleasure the post by Wizard Marks about Franklin Avenue. Thank you Wizard. That section of Franklin is indeed showing a glimmer of the potential future that can be. That area's change did not just happen. It came about because of a Plan and residents willing to fight for every inch

Re: [Mpls] BOYCOTT MARKET BAR-B-QUE (The e-mail)

2003-07-12 Thread Chris Johnson
David Shove wrote (and Peter Schmitz echoed): White racism is never having to say you're sorry. --David Shove Roseville On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lack of empathy on this list for the family who attended Market Bar-B-Que, and the urge to rationalize and otherwise

Re: [Mpls] Minneapolis population drop, Strib version

2003-07-12 Thread Chris Johnson
Bill Cullen wrote: Over the past two years, the vacancy rates of rental units have increased from 2.0 - 2.5% to 6.5% today. 5% is considered a balanced rental market. I don't know how many rental properties exist in Mpls. GVA Marquette Advisors, who calculates the vacancy rate for the metro

Re: [Mpls] BOYCOTT MARKET BAR-B-QUE (The e-mail)

2003-07-12 Thread Peter T Schmitz
Peter writes: Being a white racist in Minnesota means never having to say you're sorry because you can always call people in the South racist. David responds:I could just as glibly say being a guilt-ridden white person in Minnesota means never having to prove your case. Both my statement

Re: [Mpls] BOYCOTT MARKET BAR-B-QUE (The e-mail)

2003-07-12 Thread Brobson34
For the record, my post never accused Mr. Johnson of being a racist, which I define as discriminating against people on the basis of race. I did write that anyone who suggests that the patrons mistreated at the restaurant by the waitress and the manager should have taken their concerns to the

RE: [Mpls] BOYCOTT MARKET BAR-B-QUE (The e-mail)

2003-07-12 Thread List Manager
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Re: [Mpls] BOYCOTT MARKET BAR-B-QUE (The e-mail)

2003-07-12 Thread Dennis Plante
Peter Writes: One last note: When I was growing up in Omaha, Nebraska during the 60s and 70s my parents, teachers and other grownups around me clucked their tongues in disbelief at George Wallace and those nasty racists down South who supported him. Imagine their surprise when our city, like

Re: [Mpls] BOYCOTT MARKET BAR-B-QUE (The e-mail)

2003-07-12 Thread Mark Wilde
Britt Robson wrote: It wasn't a single waitress who disrespected them; the next person up on the hierarchical chain likewise treated these paying customers in a manner calculated to ensure they wouldn't return. Does anyone doubt this happened? On what basis? On the basis that I am a rational

Re: [Mpls] BOYCOTT MARKET BAR-B-QUE (The e-mail)

2003-07-12 Thread Dennis Plante
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[Mpls] Old Minneapolis / Market BBQ

2003-07-12 Thread acanthus
Two “Old Minneapolis” downtown businesses that have not yet been mentioned are Cafe di Napoli and Moss Optical. Cafe di Napoli (on Hennepin Avenue across from the State Theatre) opened in 1938 and is still owned by the same family; they have the best side salad (with homemade Italian

Re: [Mpls] BOYCOTT MARKET BAR-B-QUE (The e-mail)

2003-07-12 Thread j c harmon
I agree w/Jon and find it hard to believe that Market BBQ hasn't served a myriad of people of color over the years. Sounds like this is an isolated incident, and suggesting people take their complaints to the courthouse instead of the manager is a bit much. If you don't like the service or food

[Mpls] FW: A step forward on Hiawatha

2003-07-12 Thread Earl Netwal
Despite the Holle Brian's concern about the possible inadequacy of pedestrian crossing times for Hiawatha at 32nd street, the increase of speed limits on Hiawatha are a step forward. If a crossing problem truly exists, it is something that can be remedied by changing the length of the semaphore

Re: [Mpls] Smith Parker Bullying Tactics

2003-07-12 Thread WizardMarks
This has been the tone of anti-Access organizers from the beginning. What's the role of the attorney who has no case? Attack the person. It's an ad hominem logical fallacy. If it had not been Smith Parker, there would have been another transit experienced law firm chosen. Instead of Tom

[Mpls] Market Barbeque

2003-07-12 Thread Rosalind Nelson
A friend of mine who is white lives in White Bear Lake with her partner and adopted daughter, both African-American. In the past, when my friend was single and her daughter was very small, she didn't have any problem in White Bear Lake restaurants. But now that her daughter is a teenager and her

[Mpls] Minneapolis population drop?

2003-07-12 Thread Steve Brandt
Several people have noted the healthy rise in rental vacancies in the GVA Marquette Advisors quarterly survey. I've inquired in the past about the rising vacancy rate in the context of a continuing portrayal by advocates of an affordable housing crisis. That issue can be debated by others at

Re: [Mpls] BOYCOTT MARKET BAR-B-QUE (The e-mail)

2003-07-12 Thread Brandon Lacy
You are saying the Market management made a calculated efforts to treat these people differently because of the color of their skin, based on one anecdotal report with no corroborating witnesses and without hearing from the Market management? While I am not going to comment on whether or not a

[Mpls] CPED appointments

2003-07-12 Thread Steve Brandt
Several people have commented on appointments announced Friday to two top CPED jobs in the Rybak administration. I wrote a story yesterday, which was an 11-1/2 hour workday for me. Due to circumstances beyond my control, probably having to do with fitting six pounds of news into a five-pound

RE: [Mpls] Minneapolis population drop, Strib version

2003-07-12 Thread Bill Cullen
We are making significant progress here. I know it is EASY to find 2 bedroom apartments in reasonable locations for under $700. There are hundreds (likely thousands) of them available today in Minneapolis. Just scan the for rent ads in the Sunday paper tomorrow. Is $700 affordable? Near as I

[Mpls] Re: BOYCOTT MARKET BAR-B-QUE

2003-07-12 Thread Tim Bonham
But Market Bar-B-Que is not in Gary Schiff's ward. If this family came to Ted Cooks Bar-B-Que at 38th Hiawatha Ave, I'm quite sure they would not have to worry about the service they would get. Plus they would get very good BBQ, and probably at a much lower price than $65! I suggest they

Re: [Mpls] Theaters|Libraries|

2003-07-12 Thread Anderson Turpin
Peter (Schmitz) says: As I've said on this list before, that's capitalism for you. 99.5% of American films made since 1975 have been awful. And our system of distribution generally allows for the most mediocre foreign films to be shown here. Shows you how the profit motive has dumbed down

[Mpls] New CPED appointments

2003-07-12 Thread List Manager
Steve Brandt comes through as promised...your new $100,000 economic development deputies can be found at: http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3984985.html David Brauer List manager TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being

Re: [Mpls] Minneapolis population drop- trying to accurately count the criminal homeless...

2003-07-12 Thread Dyna
On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 11:30 AM, Chris Johnson wrote: it has been clearly demonstrated that the method that the Census Bureau uses to estimate the population of Minneapolis is dramatically flawed in under-estimating the population. The count of actual noses in 2000 turned up growth