Re: Temporarily deactivate auto_view
Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: Also, what is the _effective_ difference between sourcing a file, and writing some kind of mutt-script to toggle a bunch of options? I don't actually see one :) I think: way better clearness. See for example the following situation: Using different identities via macro index F11:source ~/.mutt/private.rc\n macro index F12:source ~/.mutt/business.rc\n (I don't like folder-hooks for that). Because I need another default send-hook in each of my identities, I have to put all my send-hooks into both of these .rc files (together with the unhook send-hook at the beginning of these .rc files). Some of these hooks are the same, and I didn't want to edit two files parallel, so I make another one general-hooks.rc which is sourced in the identity .rc's. And so on an so on... Sometimes I'm just wondering, if I have set or unset some feature. To have a single muttrc (IMHO) would be more comfortable to have an overview to all. When debugging your mutt configuration you have to go through a lot of files in the worst case - I don't really like this. When asking friends for help on some mutt questions, I would rather send them my muttrc instead of a huge tarball. In bash friends. you have the possibility to source lot's of files, too. But do you split off your ~/.bashrc into a dozen or more pieces? I don't. When supporting scripting options (variables, if), (at least) I would write my muttrc a little bit better readable, and better debuggable. Mutt is perfect the way it is, IMNSHO :) I don't think it's perfect. It's just good. :-) And I really don't want to start another fame war (I think there were a lot about it) - this should only be my very-IMHO-answer of your question. Greetings, -volker -- http://die-Moells.de/ * http://Stama90.de/ * http://ScriptDale.de/ Ask not for whom the telephone bell tolls ... if thou art in the bathtub, it tolls for thee. PGP signature
1.3.23 libiconv/HP-UX 10.20 question
Hi! I have just update my mutt-1.2.5i installation (with charmaps) to 1.3.23i. While everything else seems to work nicely, I have a problem when displaying characters beyond ASCII. I have installed libiconv-1.7. When viewing Mails with foreign characters in it in a dtterm (environment variable LANG=C.iso88591), umlauts etc are displayed in numeric transcription (e.g. \360 instead of an a-umlaut). When LANG is not being set, single character representation is chosen, but the actual display does hardly match the correct character. Setting iconv-hook following the example for HP-UX 10.20 does not make a difference. I could not find an explanation of the mechanisms in mutt/doc or the libiconv distribution. How should this thing be set up? Many thanks in advance, Lutz -- Lutz Jaenicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTU Cottbus http://www.aet.TU-Cottbus.DE/personen/jaenicke/ Lehrstuhl Allgemeine Elektrotechnik Tel. +49 355 69-4129 Universitaetsplatz 3-4, D-03044 Cottbus Fax. +49 355 69-4153
[OT] gpg multiple keyrings
OK, I have seen a bunch of people say that they use multiple keyrings. This strikes me as an excellent idea. I, however, am a newbie to gpg and an idiot to boot, and so I have two points of failure. 1) how to get mutt to file keys in the correct keyring? 2) how to move keys from the wrong keyring to the right one? Ailbhe -- Homepage: http://ailbhe.ossifrage.net/
Re: 1.3.23 libiconv/HP-UX 10.20 question
On 2001-10-18 11:42:46 +0200, Lutz Jaenicke wrote: When viewing Mails with foreign characters in it in a dtterm (environment variable LANG=C.iso88591), umlauts etc are displayed in numeric transcription (e.g. \360 instead of an a-umlaut). When LANG is not being set, single character representation is chosen, but the actual display does hardly match the correct character. Setting iconv-hook following the example for HP-UX 10.20 does not make a difference. What does mutt set the $charset variable to? -- Thomas Roesslerhttp://log.does-not-exist.org/
Re: 1.3.23 libiconv/HP-UX 10.20 question
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:31:59PM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote: On 2001-10-18 11:42:46 +0200, Lutz Jaenicke wrote: When viewing Mails with foreign characters in it in a dtterm (environment variable LANG=C.iso88591), umlauts etc are displayed in numeric transcription (e.g. \360 instead of an a-umlaut). When LANG is not being set, single character representation is chosen, but the actual display does hardly match the correct character. Setting iconv-hook following the example for HP-UX 10.20 does not make a difference. What does mutt set the $charset variable to? Is there a way to get the list of variables as currently set? I did not find a command to get this list (mutt -v only delivers the compile time options). In Muttrc it is not set (default shall be ). Best regards, Lutz -- Lutz Jaenicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTU Cottbus http://www.aet.TU-Cottbus.DE/personen/jaenicke/ Lehrstuhl Allgemeine Elektrotechnik Tel. +49 355 69-4129 Universitaetsplatz 3-4, D-03044 Cottbus Fax. +49 355 69-4153
Re: 1.3.23 libiconv/HP-UX 10.20 question
* Lutz Jaenicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] [18-10-2001 12:57]: | Is there a way to get the list of variables as currently set? I'm not sure whether you can get a list, but you can check a specific variable by typing: :set ?variable So, in this case that would be :set ?charset HTH, -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore. -Dorothy PGP signature
Re: 1.3.23 libiconv/HP-UX 10.20 question
On 2001-10-18 12:56:06 +0200, Lutz Jaenicke wrote: Is there a way to get the list of variables as currently set? No. -- Thomas Roesslerhttp://log.does-not-exist.org/
Re: 1.3.23 libiconv/HP-UX 10.20 question
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:59:36PM +0200, Ren? Clerc wrote: * Lutz Jaenicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] [18-10-2001 12:57]: | Is there a way to get the list of variables as currently set? I'm not sure whether you can get a list, but you can check a specific variable by typing: :set ?variable So, in this case that would be :set ?charset Ah. That works. So we have LANG=C.iso89951 charset=iso-8895-1 LANG not set charset=roman8 Best regards, Lutz -- Lutz Jaenicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTU Cottbus http://www.aet.TU-Cottbus.DE/personen/jaenicke/ Lehrstuhl Allgemeine Elektrotechnik Tel. +49 355 69-4129 Universitaetsplatz 3-4, D-03044 Cottbus Fax. +49 355 69-4153 PGP signature
error in mutt over R.H. 6.2
Hi: In my server, when use mutt the system say: Error al enviar mensaje, proceso hijo termino 70 (Internal error.). Error sending message, child process dead 70 (Internal error). Which is the problem? Regards J.L.Sánchez
Re: 1.3.23 libiconv/HP-UX 10.20 question
On 2001-10-18 13:16:37 +0200, Lutz Jaenicke wrote: Ah. That works. So we have LANG=C.iso89951 charset=iso-8895-1 LANG not set charset=roman8 Mh. I don't understand why you are seeing the numerical representation with LANG=C.iso88591... Please make sure that the following match: - The character set of the screen font you use. - The character set in the LANG and LC_CTYPE environment variables. - Mutt's charset variable. - The characters your keyboard sends through the terminal to mutt. Once that's the case, everything should work nicely. -- Thomas Roesslerhttp://log.does-not-exist.org/ PGP signature
Re: VVV NNTP patch -- small comment
* David Champion ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On 2001.10.17, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jerome De Greef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will only retrieve the groups list once. Then remove all newgroups you don't need from your newsrc file and you're all set. The only disadvantage of this is that it will not show the number of new posting for each newsgroup you've subscribed too in the newsgroups browser. The problem (for me) is that although the newsrc format allows selection of subscribed and unsubscribed groups, this NNTP patch doesn't differentiate them in that it downloads overviews for all groups, whether they're subscribed or not. [I think this is what Matej's problem is, too -- not just reading the newsrc, but actually grabbing the headers/threads for each one.] This is s-l-o-w and unnecessary. A user I don't know what version of the patch you use (I use the latest) but here it only retrieves headers/theads for the groups I'm subscribed. Jerome -- +---+ | 'the panorama of the city is wrong | | in fact the city seems to be gone!' | | the clash, stop the world, 1980 | +---+
Re: Converting from mbox - Maildir/
On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 07:08:43PM -0400, Kyle Knack wrote: If you're using multiple Maildirs, such as with procmail, you also may want to do 'cat mbox|formail -i|procmail' after you have updated your This is not working for me. If I execute the same as shown above, I just get the formail help page. .procmailrc to filter to the new Maildirs. This is how I did mine, and it worked fine. It also retains your mbox completely intact just in case something goes wrong ;) Kyle * Nelson D. Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010806 16:19]: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:15:01 -0400 From: Nelson D. Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mutt Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Converting from mbox - Maildir/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i * On Mon Aug 06, Jean-Sebastien Morisset wrote in [mutt-users]: - I've been using mutt v1.2.5 in mbox mode for a while now (500MB for - ~/Mail), but for compatibility reasons, I have to start using Maildir. - Does anyone know how I can convert all my mbox directories and files to - the Maildir format? I have quite a few directories, sub-directories, etc. - - Thanks, - js. - -- - Jean-Sebastien Morisset, Sr. UNIX Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Personal Homepage http://jsmoriss.mvlan.net/; UNIX, Internet, - Homebrewing, Cigars, PCS, PalmOS, CP2020 and other Fun Stuff... - This is Linux Country. On a quiet night you can hear Windows NT reboot! - I made this change a couple of weeks ago using: http://www.qmail.org/mbox2maildir -- Nelson D. Guerrero -- Kyle Knack ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: .mail_aliases
Hi, all -- William, before I forget I should note that you should send messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of @gbnet; while mutt.org is hosted at gbnet and the address sometimes leaks through, it's not the one to use... ...and then William Park said... % On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 04:08:35PM -0600, Dave Price wrote: % #! /bin/bash % /usr/bin/perl -i -p -e 's/\r//g' $1 % % Sorry to cut in the middle of thread... but if you're running Linux, % then read up on 'fromdos' and 'todos'. Or Sun's unix2dos and dosx2unix :-) % % -- % William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED] % 8 CPU cluster, Linux (Slackware), Python, LaTeX, Vim, Mutt, Tin :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! PGP signature
Re: .mail_aliases
Will -- ...and then Will Yardley said... % Jerome De Greef wrote: % % Did you try removing the trailing ^M (dos CR). In vim you can use % :%s/$\r//g to remove them but I think it only work with vim 6.x % % this is ONE thing that i use pico for - opening a file in pico and Bah. % saving it will remove the CRs (make sure to use '-w' so lines don't % wrap). i would assume that nano would also do this for those of you % consumed by your hate of UW. No comment :-) In vim: vim filename :set fileformat=unix :wq Ta-daa! Even easier than the :%s magic available in any vi or clone. % % w % % -- % GPG Public Key: % http://infinitejazz.net/will/pgp/ :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! PGP signature
Re: 1.3.23 libiconv/HP-UX 10.20 question
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:35:23PM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote: On 2001-10-18 13:16:37 +0200, Lutz Jaenicke wrote: Ah. That works. So we have LANG=C.iso89951 charset=iso-8895-1 LANG not set charset=roman8 Mh. I don't understand why you are seeing the numerical representation with LANG=C.iso88591... Please make sure that the following match: - The character set of the screen font you use. - The character set in the LANG and LC_CTYPE environment variables. - Mutt's charset variable. - The characters your keyboard sends through the terminal to mutt. Once that's the case, everything should work nicely. Hmm. I have just recompiled mutt with --enable-locales-fix (as proposed in http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/#faqs) and it seems to work now... Best regards, Lutz -- Lutz Jaenicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTU Cottbus http://www.aet.TU-Cottbus.DE/personen/jaenicke/ Lehrstuhl Allgemeine Elektrotechnik Tel. +49 355 69-4129 Universitaetsplatz 3-4, D-03044 Cottbus Fax. +49 355 69-4153 PGP signature
Re: IMAP subfolder update flag
Rob, et al -- ...and then Rob 'Feztaa' Park said... % On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 08:37:47PM -0400, Justin R. Miller (dis)graced my inbox with: % I'm not sure how feasable this is in an IMAP environment, but I was % having a similar problem with my local mail folders... What I did to ... % anything else had at least one new message. % % Just adding the subfolders to your mailboxes list works fine -- I used % Mutt with IMAP for months after sorting server-side with procmail. % % That doesn't work for local mbox folders, though :) Why not? % % If you leave a folder with new messages, mutt will 'forget' that there % are new messages in it -- very annoying. No, no, no... You're confusing your definition of new with mutt's definition of new again. Until Steven says he means something else, we'll assume that he's doing it our way :-) % % -- % Rob 'Feztaa' Park % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % -- % vuja de: % The feeling that you've *never*, *ever* been in this situation before. :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! PGP signature
Re: [OT] gpg multiple keyrings
Ailbhe -- ...and then Ailbhe Leamy said... % OK, I have seen a bunch of people say that they use multiple keyrings. % This strikes me as an excellent idea. I, however, am a newbie to gpg % and an idiot to boot, and so I have two points of failure. % % 1) how to get mutt to file keys in the correct keyring? I think that folder-hooks resetting the gpg receive command will do the trick. This is on my list, but I haven't done it; I will report to the list when I have. % 2) how to move keys from the wrong keyring to the right one? See my recent script attachment; it's quite hard-coded and was meant to be a knock-off, but it's proven quite useful (which helps explain why your #1 has not been tackled already). % % Ailbhe % % -- % Homepage: http://ailbhe.ossifrage.net/ :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! PGP signature
Re: .mail_aliases
On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, David T-G wrote: In vim: vim filename :set fileformat=unix :wq vile filename :set-u :wq Ta-daa! Even easier than the :%s magic available in any vi or clone. -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: Temporarily deactivate auto_view
Volker Moell [EMAIL PROTECTED] said something to this effect on 10/18/2001: Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: Also, what is the _effective_ difference between sourcing a file, and writing some kind of mutt-script to toggle a bunch of options? I don't actually see one :) I think: way better clearness. Are you saying that scripting is clearer than multiple files? If you are, I think I disagree. When debugging your mutt configuration you have to go through a lot of files in the worst case - I don't really like this. When debugging, though, you shouldn't be debugging the entire muttrc (at least not at first); you should be testing/debugging specific parts of it, to minimize unintentional interactions, and then integrate the new changes into the working setup. In bash friends. you have the possibility to source lot's of files, too. But do you split off your ~/.bashrc into a dozen or more pieces? I don't. $ ls -loF ~/.bash* -rw---1 darren 4865 Sep 19 12:29 .bashrc -rw---1 darren 30 Sep 13 14:07 .bash_logout -rw---1 darren 30 Sep 13 14:07 .bash_profile drwx--1 darren512 Feb 16 2001 .bash/ -rw---1 darren 1444 Oct 12 08:03 .bash/functions -rw---1 darren 6542 Mar 21 2001 .bash/history -rw---1 darren409 Jun 15 2000 .bash/path -rw---1 darren409 Jun 15 2000 .bash/prompt -rw---1 darren409 Jun 15 2000 .bash/ssh All of these do what you would think they do. Similarly: $ ls -loF ~/.mutt* -rw--- 1 darren 1273 Oct 1 16:17 aliases drwx-- 2 darren 512 Sep 13 15:13 bin/ -rw--- 1 darren 1954 Oct 17 09:01 colors -rw--- 1 darren 35523 Oct 18 10:05 fortunes -rw--- 1 darren 933 Oct 9 14:52 lists -rw--- 1 darren 526 Sep 20 10:08 mailcap -rw--- 1 darren 4989 Oct 18 10:03 muttrc -rw--- 1 darren 1487 Oct 9 14:55 scores -rw--- 1 darren 595 Sep 13 15:41 trash -rw--- 1 darren 1221 Oct 3 12:22 vimrc These also all do what you would expect. If the problem is with scoring, or coloring, for example, I know exactly which files to fiddle with and resource. Breaking these things up greatly simplifies debugging and trying out new things. When asking friends for help on some mutt questions, I would rather send them my muttrc instead of a huge tarball. Small files are also easier to share with other people; I don't have to remove all my work-specific aliases, for example, if I want to post some of my config to a mailing list or put it on the Net. Just my thoughts. (darren) -- It's not that I'm afraid to die, I just don't want to be there when it happens. -- Woody Allen
my_hdr From: problems
I fear this is something obvious, but I've tried everything I can think of in both 1.2.5 and 1.3.22.1. I can't get my_hdr From: to display anything other than Drew Raines [EMAIL PROTECTED] Everything else works: my_hdr Organization: my_hdr X-Some-Other-Header: ..just not the From: one. I even created a near-blank .muttrc, the only contents being a completely different header: my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Not Even My Name) and it still displayed the former. What am I missing? -- Drew
Re: my_hdr From: problems
Drew Raines [EMAIL PROTECTED] said something to this effect on 10/18/2001: I fear this is something obvious, but I've tried everything I can think of in both 1.2.5 and 1.3.22.1. I can't get my_hdr From: to display anything other than Drew Raines [EMAIL PROTECTED] Everything else works: my_hdr Organization: my_hdr X-Some-Other-Header: ..just not the From: one. I even created a near-blank .muttrc, the only contents being a completely different header: my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Not Even My Name) and it still displayed the former. What am I missing? I think you have to do: my_hdr From [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Not Even My Name) not From:. (darren) -- In general, things are not what people want them to be. They just are what they are. That's a general property of things, and that's causing lots of trouble for people in all kinds of contexts. -- Bob Dylan
Re: my_hdr From: problems
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 11:32:53AM -0500, Drew Raines wrote: I can't get my_hdr From: to display anything other than Drew Raines [EMAIL PROTECTED] my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Not Even My Name) my_hdr From: Not Even My Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (T.) Michael Sanders internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics Department URL: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~sanders University of Michigan phone: 734/936-0799 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1120 FAX: 734/764-6843
Re: my_hdr From: problems
* darren chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think you have to do: my_hdr From [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Not Even My Name) not From:. Tells me it's an invalid header field if I do that. -- Drew
Re: my_hdr From: problems
* Not Even My Name [EMAIL PROTECTED]: my_hdr From: Not Even My Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] But why can't I use the other style? Elkins uses it in the 1.2.5 documentation every time he mentions an alias or my_hdr. Technically I should be able to put whatever I want, no? It shouldn't even have to include an email address... -- Drew
mbox problem
Hallo, I'm using the maildir mailbox format since today. I'm also using procmail to filter my mails in different folders. Now I want that the read mails of some folders go in one mbox and some others in another mbox. I tried mbox-hook and folder-hook. But it didn't work. Has anybody an idea how this could work? Thanks, Manuel
maildir and compressed folders
Is it possible to use the compressed folders patch with maildir. What happens than. Does every mail gets compressed, or how does this work with maildir? Thanks, Manuel
Re: maildir and compressed folders
On 2001.10.18, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manuel Hendel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to use the compressed folders patch with maildir. What happens than. Does every mail gets compressed, or how does this work with maildir? This patch really isn't particular to compression; it creates hooks for commands to execute before opening and after closing a folder. The default hooks are for compression of an mbox file, but it seems you could reset them as a tar+gz command instead, and store your maildir as a compressed tarball. (You could also compress each message within, but I'd personally favor the tarball.) It's just a matter of writing the correct open/close hooks. One of these days I'm going to get around to using it for encrypting certain folders. -- -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: maildir and compressed folders
Manuel -- ...and then Manuel Hendel said... % Is it possible to use the compressed folders patch with maildir. What % happens than. Does every mail gets compressed, or how does this work % with maildir? The way the compressed folder is recognized is through hooks. For an mbox folder doing compression, I have # compressed folders open-hook \\.gz$ gzip -cd %f %t open-hook \\.z$ gzip -cd %f %t close-hook \\.gz$ gzip -c %t %f close-hook \\.z$ gzip -c %t %f append-hook \\.gz$ gzip -c %t %f append-hook \\.z$ gzip -c %t %f in my muttrc file. As you can see, mutt knows what to do with a *.gz or *.z file based on the open- and close- and append- hooks. You should be able to define your hooks any way you wish for your maildir. I'd imagine you'd probably use tar with gzip to bundle and compress the whole thing something like open-hook \\.tar.gz$ cd /tmp ; tar xpfz %f close-hook \\.tar\\.gz$ cd /tmp ; tar cpfz %f %t (though this is untested and I certainly don't know how mutt will handle the temp dir and the file names and the real location path just for starters) to tell mutt how to open a .tar.gz box (go to the temp dir and extract from the actual file) and then close it later (go to the temp dir and tar up the real file with what's in the temp file). In theory, you should be able to open and/or close and/or append any sort of mailbox this way; one idea that has crossed my mind is a encrypted mail folder (tar.pgp) but I haven't played with it and it requires an unencrypted temp file anyway... % % Thanks, % Manuel HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! PGP signature
mbox question
I'm a big fan of mutt, and have a small Web tutorial on it, at http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/~matloff/mutt.html In my tutorial, which I wrote several years ago, I say: If you wish to not have your messages moved from your original mail file, then include something like this: set mbox=/var/mail/matloff depending on where your original mail file is. In the current version of mutt, is this still the best way to avoid having marked-as-read messges moved to a separate mbox file? I've looked at the documentation and it *appears* to me that the answer is yes, but I'd like to make sure. I am not a subscriber to the mutt mailing list, so please reply to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks very much. Norm Matloff
Re: maildir and compressed folders
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:11:26PM -0400, David T-G wrote: In theory, you should be able to open and/or close and/or append any sort of mailbox this way; one idea that has crossed my mind is a encrypted mail folder (tar.pgp) but I haven't played with it and it requires an unencrypted temp file anyway... nod... I used to do that for a while - the folders would get unencrypted while you were reading them, but if someone got hold of your machine, they wouldn't be able to access any (closed) folders... the only problem was in appending msgs to mailboxes, since it had to unencrypt/reencrypt, instead of just appending, like you can do with gzip... -- Dan Boger [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP signature
Re: mbox problem
* Manuel Hendel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011018 11:50]: Hallo, I'm using the maildir mailbox format since today. I'm also using procmail to filter my mails in different folders. Now I want that the read mails of some folders go in one mbox and some others in another mbox. I tried mbox-hook and folder-hook. But it didn't work. Has anybody an idea how this could work? You just need mbox-hook. This is exactly what it's there for. From TFM: 3.10. Using Multiple spool mailboxes Usage: mbox-hook [!]pattern mailbox This command is used to move read messages from a specified mailbox to a different mailbox automatically when you quit or change folders. pattern is a regular expression specifying the mailbox to treat as a ``spool'' mailbox and mailbox specifies where mail should be saved when read. Unlike some of the other hook commands, only the first matching pattern is used (it is not possible to save read mail in more than a single mailbox). Maybe you could show us the mbox-hook command you tried and we can help figure out why it didn't seem to be working. good times, -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: mbox question
Norm Matloff mutt [18/10/01 11:54 -0700]: I'm a big fan of mutt, and have a small Web tutorial on it, at http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/~matloff/mutt.html In my tutorial, which I wrote several years ago, I say: If you wish to not have your messages moved from your original mail file, then include something like this: set mbox=/var/mail/matloff set move=no I am not a subscriber to the mutt mailing list, so please reply to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks very much. BTW, your howtos are the first thing I point newbies at. They are excellent. --srs
Re: mbox problem
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:13:36PM -0400, David T-G wrote: Manuel -- ...and then Manuel Hendel said... % Hallo, Hello again! % % I'm using the maildir mailbox format since today. I'm also using % procmail to filter my mails in different folders. Now I want that the Good! % read mails of some folders go in one mbox and some others in another % mbox. I tried mbox-hook and folder-hook. But it didn't work. Has % anybody an idea how this could work? I, for one, don't know that I really understand your question... Can you provide some examples of what you'd like to have happen and what really happens as well as the relevant portion(s) of your .muttrc file? I got the following mailboxes: set folder=~/Mail ~/Mail/mailinglists/mutt# for mutt mailinglist ~/Mail/mailinglists/postfix # for postfix mailinglist ~/Mail/maildir # for privat mails ~/Mail/archiv/ # a folder to archive mails I need the following mbox-hooks: mbox-hook mailinglists/mutt archiv/mutt mbox-hook mailinglists/postfix archiv/postfix mbox-hook maildir archiv/maildir I hope this is what you mean.
Re: Converting from mbox - Maildir/
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:31:34PM +0200, Manuel Hendel wrote: On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 07:08:43PM -0400, Kyle Knack wrote: If you're using multiple Maildirs, such as with procmail, you also may want to do 'cat mbox|formail -i|procmail' after you have updated your This is not working for me. If I execute the same as shown above, I just get the formail help page. I used 'cat mbox| formail -s procmail', this works. .procmailrc to filter to the new Maildirs. This is how I did mine, and it worked fine. It also retains your mbox completely intact just in case something goes wrong ;) Kyle * Nelson D. Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010806 16:19]: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:15:01 -0400 From: Nelson D. Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mutt Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Converting from mbox - Maildir/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i * On Mon Aug 06, Jean-Sebastien Morisset wrote in [mutt-users]: - I've been using mutt v1.2.5 in mbox mode for a while now (500MB for - ~/Mail), but for compatibility reasons, I have to start using Maildir. - Does anyone know how I can convert all my mbox directories and files to - the Maildir format? I have quite a few directories, sub-directories, etc. - - Thanks, - js. - -- - Jean-Sebastien Morisset, Sr. UNIX Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Personal Homepage http://jsmoriss.mvlan.net/; UNIX, Internet, - Homebrewing, Cigars, PCS, PalmOS, CP2020 and other Fun Stuff... - This is Linux Country. On a quiet night you can hear Windows NT reboot! - I made this change a couple of weeks ago using: http://www.qmail.org/mbox2maildir -- Nelson D. Guerrero -- Kyle Knack ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Error opeining terminal:
I have been trying to install mutt with no success. Running hp-ux 10.20 on 9000/725 My default terminal is 'hpterm' but I have tried vt100 and xterm. In all cases the mutt returns an error 'Error opening terminal: ' Any ideas on what to try. Thanks, Dan
Re: mbox problem
* Manuel Hendel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011018 12:52]: I got the following mailboxes: set folder=~/Mail ~/Mail/mailinglists/mutt# for mutt mailinglist ~/Mail/mailinglists/postfix # for postfix mailinglist ~/Mail/maildir # for privat mails ~/Mail/archiv/ # a folder to archive mails I need the following mbox-hooks: change these mbox-hook mailinglists/mutt archiv/mutt mbox-hook mailinglists/postfix archiv/postfix mbox-hook maildir archiv/maildir to these: mbox-hook mailinglists/mutt =archiv/mutt mbox-hook mailinglists/postfix =archiv/postfix mbox-hook maildir =archiv/maildir the '=' sign is expanded to $folder. otherwise the directories are relative the current working directory, which could be anything. good times, -- Vineet http://www.anti-dmca.org Unauthorized use of this .sig may constitute violation of US law. echo Qba\'g gernq ba zr\! |tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' PGP signature
Re: Temporarily deactivate auto_view
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:28:51AM +0200, Volker Moell (dis)graced my inbox with: Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: Also, what is the _effective_ difference between sourcing a file, and writing some kind of mutt-script to toggle a bunch of options? I don't actually see one :) I think: way better clearness. Well, you could write comments in your .muttrc that explain what the sourced files do. See for example the following situation: Using different identities via macro index F11:source ~/.mutt/private.rc\n macro index F12:source ~/.mutt/business.rc\n (I don't like folder-hooks for that). Because I need another default send-hook in each of my identities, I have to put all my send-hooks into both of these .rc files (together with the unhook send-hook at the beginning of these .rc files). Some of these hooks are the same, and I didn't want to edit two files parallel, so I make another one general-hooks.rc which is sourced in the identity .rc's. And so on an so on... Sometimes I'm just wondering, if I have set or unset some feature. To have a single muttrc (IMHO) would be more comfortable to have an overview to all. When debugging your mutt configuration you have to go through a lot of files in the worst case - I don't really like this. When asking friends for help on some mutt questions, I would rather send them my muttrc instead of a huge tarball. In bash friends. you have the possibility to source lot's of files, too. But do you split off your ~/.bashrc into a dozen or more pieces? I don't. You don't _have_ to split up your .muttrc. It's just a feature, and it has it's uses. Personally my .muttrc is only split into three pieces: One for all the general options and such that are loaded with mutt, one with my aliases, and one with some scripts that need to be run often (a script for generating some headers, etc). When supporting scripting options (variables, if), (at least) I would write my muttrc a little bit better readable, and better debuggable. I suppose so. You say potato, I say potahto :) Mutt is perfect the way it is, IMNSHO :) I don't think it's perfect. It's just good. :-) Well, it's supposed to suck less than the other mail clients, right? :) And I really don't want to start another fame war (I think there were a lot about it) - this should only be my very-IMHO-answer of your question. Ack, flame wars not good. I don't want a flame war, this is a friendly discussion :) -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please take note: PGP signature
Re: Error opeining terminal:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:05:20PM -0700, Dan wrote: I have been trying to install mutt with no success. Running hp-ux 10.20 on 9000/725 My default terminal is 'hpterm' but I have tried vt100 and xterm. In all cases the mutt returns an error 'Error opening terminal: ' Any ideas on what to try. you didn't tell what screen library you're using (HP curses, HP color-curses, ncurses or slang). Generally HPUX uses terminfo under curses - chattr can show what shared libraries are used. I'd do a strings of mutt and the related libraries (if it wasn't apparent), looking for terminfo or termcap. -- Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: IMAP subfolder update flag
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:58:00AM -0400, David T-G (dis)graced my inbox with: % Just adding the subfolders to your mailboxes list works fine -- I used % Mutt with IMAP for months after sorting server-side with procmail. % % That doesn't work for local mbox folders, though :) Why not? Whoops, perhaps I was not clear. Procmail works fine, what I meant was, simply defining an mbox with the mailbox command doesn't work, because when you leave a folder with new mail, mutt forgets about it. And I feel that mutt not telling me I have new mail when I do have new mail is a problem :P % If you leave a folder with new messages, mutt will 'forget' that there % are new messages in it -- very annoying. No, no, no... You're confusing your definition of new with mutt's definition of new again. Until Steven says he means something else, we'll assume that he's doing it our way :-) I know very well that mutt and I disagree on what is new mail and what isn't. I also happen to know that I'm right, mutt is wrong, and I can trick mutt into agreeing with me. :D -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Any given program, when running, is obsolete. PGP signature
Re: my_hdr From: problems
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:47:20PM -0500, Drew Raines (dis)graced my inbox with: * Not Even My Name [EMAIL PROTECTED]: my_hdr From: Not Even My Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] But why can't I use the other style? Elkins uses it in the 1.2.5 documentation every time he mentions an alias or my_hdr. Technically I should be able to put whatever I want, no? It shouldn't even have to include an email address... -- Drew Actually, there is a variable that you use to set your From: header. Let me see if I can dig it up... set from=Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] :D -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Don't you wish you had more energy... or less ambition?
Re: mbox problem
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:35:38PM -0700, Vineet Kumar (dis)graced my inbox with: * Manuel Hendel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011018 11:50]: Hallo, I'm using the maildir mailbox format since today. I'm also using procmail to filter my mails in different folders. Now I want that the read mails of some folders go in one mbox and some others in another mbox. I tried mbox-hook and folder-hook. But it didn't work. Has anybody an idea how this could work? You just need mbox-hook. This is exactly what it's there for. From TFM: 3.10. Using Multiple spool mailboxes Usage: mbox-hook [!]pattern mailbox This command is used to move read messages from a specified mailbox to a different mailbox automatically when you quit or change folders. pattern is a regular expression specifying the mailbox to treat as a ``spool'' mailbox and mailbox specifies where mail should be saved when read. Unlike some of the other hook commands, only the first matching pattern is used (it is not possible to save read mail in more than a single mailbox). Maybe you could show us the mbox-hook command you tried and we can help figure out why it didn't seem to be working. I think the problem is that he's trying to use mbox-hooks for maildir folders, and I'm not sure that that works. they are _mbox_-hooks, after all :) -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you sow your wild oats, hope for a crop failure. PGP signature
conditional options in .muttrc
Hey people. I'm mounting the same home directory on several *nix boxes at work, and there are a few options in my .muttrc that I'd like to be set depending on my platform. I can take the output of a uname -s in a script and control most options that way, but is there a built-in way for conditional options in my .muttrc? Thanks, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08 Pretty soon, massive bloat is the industry standard and everyone is using huge, buggy programs not even their developers can love. -Eric S. Raymond, The Art of Unix Programming PGP signature
Re: Tag Multiple Attachments?
That's what I do. All that happens is the cursor moves to the next file name. The manual notes that typing upper case A allows for tagging and attaching multiple messages (not files) and that works for me. The manual makes no mention of tagging files...only messages. So, no luck here so far. On 10/17/01, 05:43:40PM -0700, Igor Pruchanskiy wrote: On Wed 17 Oct 2001, John P. Verel wrote: Hi. I sometimes want to attach multiple files from the same directory. I've tried to tag while in the attachment menu, but no luck. Couldn't find anything in the on-line help. The ? indicated t for tag in the attachment menu. What am I missing. just hit t to tag an attachment, just like you tag messages igor -- Uptime: 45 days, 17:57 -- John P. Verel Norwalk, Connecticut
Re: Tag Multiple Attachments?
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:20:41PM -0400, John P. Verel wrote: That's what I do. All that happens is the cursor moves to the next file name. The manual notes that typing upper case A allows for tagging and attaching multiple messages (not files) and that works for me. The manual makes no mention of tagging files...only messages. So, no luck here so far. On 10/17/01, 05:43:40PM -0700, Igor Pruchanskiy wrote: On Wed 17 Oct 2001, John P. Verel wrote: Hi. I sometimes want to attach multiple files from the same directory. I've tried to tag while in the attachment menu, but no luck. Couldn't find anything in the on-line help. The ? indicated t for tag in the attachment menu. What am I missing. just hit t to tag an attachment, just like you tag messages ---end quoted text--- Works for me, don't even need 'upper case A'. Lower case works fine, can tag 't' individual, also 'T' by pattern. MD 8+, Linux 2.4.3-20mdk mutt 1.3.23i -- Pat Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 Registered at: http://counter.li.org
Re: Tag Multiple Attachments?
Perhaps your t is bound to something other than tag-entry. Perhaps you're hitting q instead of Enter after tagging. When you tag files, it should place a * next to the listed permissions. Does it at least do that? If not, your t is probably wrong. If so, then just hit enter after tagging everything and you should be good to go. Shawn Previously, John P. Verel wrote: % That's what I do. All that happens is the cursor moves to the next file % name. % % The manual notes that typing upper case A allows for tagging and % attaching multiple messages (not files) and that works for me. The % manual makes no mention of tagging files...only messages. % % So, no luck here so far. % On 10/17/01, 05:43:40PM -0700, Igor Pruchanskiy wrote: % On Wed 17 Oct 2001, John P. Verel wrote: % Hi. I sometimes want to attach multiple files from the same directory. % I've tried to tag while in the attachment menu, but no luck. Couldn't % find anything in the on-line help. The ? indicated t for tag in the % attachment menu. What am I missing. % % just hit t to tag an attachment, just like you tag messages
Re: Tag Multiple Attachments?
Well, I just tried something, with interesting result. I went to the attach menu and pressed t twice. No * showed up next to the files when I typed t. BUTwhen I went back to the compose menu, the tagged files showed up in the attachments section. So... the problem is that the * is not showing up in the attachment menu. I'll have a look at the menu in the morning to see about this. But if anyone has a suggestion on changing the way the attachment screen is laid out, I'd love to hear it! Thanks. John On 10/18/01, 08:31:43PM -0700, Shawn D. McPeek wrote: Perhaps your t is bound to something other than tag-entry. Perhaps you're hitting q instead of Enter after tagging. When you tag files, it should place a * next to the listed permissions. Does it at least do that? If not, your t is probably wrong. If so, then just hit enter after tagging everything and you should be good to go. Shawn Previously, John P. Verel wrote: % That's what I do. All that happens is the cursor moves to the next file % name. % % The manual notes that typing upper case A allows for tagging and % attaching multiple messages (not files) and that works for me. The % manual makes no mention of tagging files...only messages. % % So, no luck here so far. % On 10/17/01, 05:43:40PM -0700, Igor Pruchanskiy wrote: % On Wed 17 Oct 2001, John P. Verel wrote: % Hi. I sometimes want to attach multiple files from the same directory. % I've tried to tag while in the attachment menu, but no luck. Couldn't % find anything in the on-line help. The ? indicated t for tag in the % attachment menu. What am I missing. % % just hit t to tag an attachment, just like you tag messages -- John P. Verel Norwalk, Connecticut
Re: conditional options in .muttrc
Michael -- ...and then Michael P. Soulier said... % Hey people. % % I'm mounting the same home directory on several *nix boxes at work, and % there are a few options in my .muttrc that I'd like to be set depending on my % platform. I can take the output of a uname -s in a script and control most % options that way, but is there a built-in way for conditional options in my % .muttrc? Not really -- a mutt scripting language has been discussed many times before, and may actually come to fruition one day -- but you can reference shell environment variables in your muttrc file. At the very least you could have your main muttrc include a source $HOME/.mutt/muttrc-$MACHNAME where you set MACHNAME in your .profile or .login; you might even be able to directly use source $HOME/.mutt/muttrc-`uname -n` and skip the env var (but then run the uname command every time you read your muttrc; you may be obsessive enough, as am I, to want to avoid that extra few microseconds ;-) % % Thanks, HTH HAND % % Mike % % -- % Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08 % Pretty soon, massive bloat is the industry standard and everyone is using % huge, buggy programs not even their developers can love. % -Eric S. Raymond, The Art of Unix Programming :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! PGP signature
Re: IMAP subfolder update flag
Rob -- ...and then Rob 'Feztaa' Park said... % On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:58:00AM -0400, David T-G (dis)graced my inbox with: % % Just adding the subfolders to your mailboxes list works fine -- I used % % Mutt with IMAP for months after sorting server-side with procmail. % % % % That doesn't work for local mbox folders, though :) % % Why not? % % Whoops, perhaps I was not clear. Procmail works fine, what I meant was, % simply defining an mbox with the mailbox command doesn't work, because Ah. % when you leave a folder with new mail, mutt forgets about it. And I feel Ahem... % that mutt not telling me I have new mail when I do have new mail is a % problem :P If that were really the case, I'd agree :-) % % % If you leave a folder with new messages, mutt will 'forget' that there % % are new messages in it -- very annoying. % % No, no, no... You're confusing your definition of new with mutt's % definition of new again. Until Steven says he means something else, % we'll assume that he's doing it our way :-) % % I know very well that mutt and I disagree on what is new mail and what % isn't. I also happen to know that I'm right, mutt is wrong, and I can % trick mutt into agreeing with me. :D *snort* You mean you know that mutt is right but you abuse its forgiving capabilities to make it give you what you want even if it's outside of the design spec ;-) % % -- % Rob 'Feztaa' Park % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % -- % Any given program, when running, is obsolete. Ain't that the truth! :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! PGP signature
Re: mbox problem
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:07:42PM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote: * Manuel Hendel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011018 12:52]: I got the following mailboxes: set folder=~/Mail ~/Mail/mailinglists/mutt# for mutt mailinglist ~/Mail/mailinglists/postfix # for postfix mailinglist ~/Mail/maildir # for privat mails ~/Mail/archiv/ # a folder to archive mails I need the following mbox-hooks: change these mbox-hook mailinglists/mutt archiv/mutt mbox-hook mailinglists/postfix archiv/postfix mbox-hook maildir archiv/maildir to these: mbox-hook mailinglists/mutt =archiv/mutt mbox-hook mailinglists/postfix =archiv/postfix mbox-hook maildir =archiv/maildir the '=' sign is expanded to $folder. otherwise the directories are relative the current working directory, which could be anything. good times, I tried it this way, but mutt said ~/Mail/archiv/mutt is not a mailbox. Where's the problem. I can't get it. I also tried another way, using folder-hooks, this works for maildir, but not for mailinglists/mutt, mutt doesn't even say anything. Manuel
