Re: how to use the ISP''s smtp server directly

2002-07-11 Thread John Iverson

* On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
  I would like to use mutt without the sendmail server on my
  machine. I find sendmail configuration quite abstruse. Can I
  directly make Mutt connect to my ISP's outgoing SMTP server.

Not with just Mutt by itself, but you might want to check out
ssmtp.  It's linked from mutt.org's links section, along with
other choices.

-- 
John



Re: how to use the ISP''s smtp server directly

2002-07-11 Thread Will Yardley

John Iverson wrote:
 * On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I would like to use mutt without the sendmail server on my machine. I
 find sendmail configuration quite abstruse. Can I directly make Mutt
 connect to my ISP's outgoing SMTP server.
 
 Not with just Mutt by itself, but you might want to check out ssmtp.
 It's linked from mutt.org's links section, along with other choices.

you might also check out postfix; there are good sample configurations
for null clients and workstations that relay through a relayhost at:
http://www.postfix.org/faq.html

postfix is also a bit less complicated than sendmail to configure (and
harder to misconfigure).

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william  @ hq . newdream . net . 




Re: bouncing w/ mutt-1.3.28i

2002-07-11 Thread Dominik Vogt

On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 01:54:33PM -0500, Aaron Schrab wrote:
  Hrm.  That sounded like a good explanation.  Was there any change
  in the bounce function?
 
 Not that I recall.  It's always pretty much just resubmitted the message
 as is, but with new envelope recipients.

Shouldn't it add a Resend-To: header?

Bye

Dominik ^_^  ^_^

 --
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Re: how to use the ISP''s smtp server directly

2002-07-11 Thread Chris Grossmann

Just want to add that I switched to postfix (from sendmail)
about 3 months ago and have never looked back..

I found the configuration to be easy, especially compared to
sendmail.

Will Yardley wrote:
  John Iverson wrote:
   * On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   I would like to use mutt without the sendmail server on my machine. I
   find sendmail configuration quite abstruse. Can I directly make Mutt
   connect to my ISP's outgoing SMTP server.
   
   Not with just Mutt by itself, but you might want to check out ssmtp.
   It's linked from mutt.org's links section, along with other choices.
  
  you might also check out postfix; there are good sample configurations
  for null clients and workstations that relay through a relayhost at:
  http://www.postfix.org/faq.html
  
  postfix is also a bit less complicated than sendmail to configure (and
  harder to misconfigure).
  
  -- 
  Will Yardley
  input: william  @ hq . newdream . net . 
  

-- 
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email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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YIM - chris_grossmann_rtp



Re: my vimrc made me do it

2002-07-11 Thread Sven Guckes

* W. D. McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-07-11 06:00]:
 (my vimrc wraps, sorry.)

i was forced.  sheesh.

(1) change your vimrc
(2) change the setting
(3) :set paste
(4) use 'pastetoggle'

knowledge is power!

Sven

-- 
..and give us our daily RTFM..



Re: how to use the ISP''s smtp server directly

2002-07-11 Thread Lee J. Moore

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Chris Grossmann wrote:

 Just want to add that I switched to postfix (from sendmail)
 about 3 months ago and have never looked back..

I wonder if anybody on the list knows of any sites comparing the
performance and reliability of both Sendmail and Postfix?  I can
only find rather unscientific comparisons by John Doe types. ;)

 I found the configuration to be easy, especially compared to
 sendmail.

I have to say that it surprised me how easy it was to configure.
Back when I first installed Gentoo Linux, Sendmail was
unavailable.  After merging Postfix, it was up and running
without any configuration required whatsoever.  The default
settings were fine.  When I had to change the configuration (for
Maildir, Procmail integration, etc.) it was a two minute task.
:)

-- 
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Re: my vimrc made me do it

2002-07-11 Thread Patrick

* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-11-02 08:38]:
 * W. D. McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-07-11 06:00]:
  (my vimrc wraps, sorry.)
 
 i was forced.  sheesh.
 
 (1) change your vimrc
 (2) change the setting
 (3) :set paste
 (4) use 'pastetoggle'
 
 knowledge is power!
 
 Sven
 
 -- 
 ..and give us our daily RTFM..

Welcome back.  Was wondering when the ITCH would finally become so
intense as to require grinScratchinggrin.
-- 
Patrick Shanahan
Registered Linux User #207535 
  @ http://counter.li.org



quoting doesn't work in send-hook command

2002-07-11 Thread David Benfell

Hello all,

I have a very complicated mutt configuration which includes several
lines in the form:

send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] set from=David Benfell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mutt 1.3.28i (2002-03-13) complains that Benfell is an unknown
variable.  I'm subscribed to a lot of mailing lists with a variety of
e-mail addresses; getting this working is important.

What am I doing wrong?

-- 
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Re: how to use the ISP''s smtp server directly

2002-07-11 Thread David Champion

* On 2002.07.11, in [EMAIL PROTECTED],
*   Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 postfix is also a bit less complicated than sendmail to configure (and
 harder to misconfigure).

Sendmail configuration is usually quite easy (that is, unless you're
doing complicated things with it). It's finding out how to configure it
that's hard. The introductory material is not so good.

Given a quick start guide, though, sendmail is no worse than postfix
(which I found harder to configure, frankly).

-- 
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 ENSA, NSIT out of everyday time.  A pure whiff of oxygen,
 University of Chicago  painting over a monochrome world in primary colors.
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Re: replying to and quoting an HTML attachment

2002-07-11 Thread Gary Johnson

On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 06:44:46PM -0700, Eugene Lee wrote:

 Thanks to you and John Iverson and Will Yardley for the responses.
 It turned out to be my mailcap entry.  I had this:
 
   text/html; links %s; nametemplate=%s.html
 
 when I really needed this:
 
   text/html; links -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput
 
 Now if I can only figure out how to keep both entries and get Mutt to
 let me select between the two methods...

You can.  Just put them in you mailcap in this order:

text/html; links %s; nametemplate=%s.html
text/html; links -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput

The copiousoutput tag tells mutt to use that entry for in-line expansion
of text/html content while using the other entry to view text/html
content from the attachment menu.

This is covered in the mutt manual in the section on Search Order
(5.3.3.2) under Advanced mailcap Usage (5.3.3).

Gary

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[OT] Re: how to use the ISP''s smtp server directly

2002-07-11 Thread Charles Cazabon

David Champion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 * On 2002.07.11, in [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 * Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  postfix is also a bit less complicated than sendmail to configure (and
  harder to misconfigure).
 
 Sendmail configuration is usually quite easy (that is, unless you're
 doing complicated things with it). It's finding out how to configure it
 that's hard. The introductory material is not so good.
 
 Given a quick start guide, though, sendmail is no worse than postfix
 (which I found harder to configure, frankly).

qmail configuration is even easier.  Installing the software is trivial if you
follow Life with qmail (http://lifewithqmail.org), and then configuration is
literally a single step for simple installations:

  ./config-fast myhost.mydomain.tld

Charles
-- 
---
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Re: how to use the ISP''s smtp server directly

2002-07-11 Thread William Park

On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 11:20:53AM +0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
  I would like to use mutt without the sendmail server on my machine. I
  find sendmail configuration quite abstruse. Can I directly make Mutt
  connect to my ISP's outgoing SMTP server.

Sendmail configuration to to what Mutt would be doing is absolutely
trivial.  Key line would be
define(`SMART_HOST', `smarthost.yourISP.net')

-- 
William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
8-CPU Cluster, Hosting, NAS, Linux, LaTeX, python, vim, mutt, tin



Re: Mutt users ml downloadable archives

2002-07-11 Thread Alain Bench

Hi David,

 On Tuesday, July 9, 2002 at 4:10:21 PM -0500, David Champion wrote:

 http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/mutt-users-199919-200207.mbox.bz2
 It's 12.3 GB, ranging from 10/1999 to present. I won't keep it up for
 long -- a few days, maybe.

Thank you very much, David! A little more than an hour to download
with my slow V34 modem, but got it correctly.

Anybody has cheap unlimited space to store such an archive
permanently? I think it's very interesting for newcomers, at least as
much as online searchable archives. And BTW, what before 1999? And
mutt-dev?


Thanks again, bye!  Alain.



Re: bouncing w/ mutt-1.3.28i

2002-07-11 Thread Aaron Schrab

At 13:30 +0200 11 Jul 2002, Dominik Vogt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 01:54:33PM -0500, Aaron Schrab wrote:
  Not that I recall.  It's always pretty much just resubmitted the message
  as is, but with new envelope recipients.
 
 Shouldn't it add a Resend-To: header?

It does, along with various other Resent- headers.  My main point was
that the bounce command hasn't really changed, and that (for the most
part) it doesn't alter the message.  The addition of a few headers is
outside the scope of what I was commenting on.

-- 
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 If you consistently take an antagonistic approach, however, people
 are going to start thinking you're from New York.   :-)
   --Larry Wall to Dan Bernstein



Re: how to use the ISP''s smtp server directly

2002-07-11 Thread Im Eunjea

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-07-11 11:20]:
 Hi, I would like to use mutt without the sendmail server on my
 machine. I find sendmail configuration quite abstruse. Can I directly
 make Mutt connect to my ISP's outgoing SMTP server.

 Regards Amit

I'm using sSMTP.
ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/mail/mta/

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Re: quoting doesn't work in send-hook command

2002-07-11 Thread Dan Boger

On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 11:01:40AM -0700, David Benfell wrote:
 Actually, it did, but only on the second attempt.  I'm guessing that
 mutt is applying the send-hooks before asking who I'm addressing the
 e-mail to.
 
 Which at least is a different problem.  How do I fix this one?

from the manual:

  Note: the send-hook's are only executed ONCE after getting the initial
  list of recipients.  Adding a recipient after replying or editing the
  message will NOT cause any send-hook to be executed.  Also note that
  my_hdr commands which modify recipient headers, or the message's
  subject, don't have any effect on the current message when executed
  from a send-hook.

so it's supposed to run AFTER getting the addressees.  I think what you
see if the my_hdr clause, saying a send-hook cannot apply a my_hdr
command to the current message.  The only way I know to get around this
is to either set up folder-hooks, or macros to apply the changes before
the msg is composed.

-- 
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Re: quoting doesn't work in send-hook command

2002-07-11 Thread Gary Johnson

On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 11:01:40AM -0700, David Benfell wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:22:19 -0400, Dan Boger wrote:

  try:
  
  send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'set from=David Benfell [EMAIL PROTECTED]'
  
  ?
  
  does that help?
 
 Actually, it did, but only on the second attempt.  I'm guessing that
 mutt is applying the send-hooks before asking who I'm addressing the
 e-mail to.
 
 Which at least is a different problem.  How do I fix this one?

Use my_hdr From: instead of setting from, like this:

send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'my_hdr From: David Benfell 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'

I think the quoting shown is sufficient, but I'm not sure.

Gary

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Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc

2002-07-11 Thread Thorsten Haude

Hi,

* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 01:30]:
* Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-07-10 21:19]:
 For quite some time I have a problem veryfying PGP signatures.
 I get 'Falsche Unterschrift' (wrong signature) messages on
 these mails though others seem to be able to verify them. [...]
 I use GnuPG 1.0.6.

  :source contrib/gpg.rc

does it help?

Nope.


feedback, please!

Sure; let me know if you come up with other things that could clear
this up.


Thorsten
-- 
Alles ist richtig, auch das Gegenteil.
- Kurt Tucholsky



Re: Mutt 1.3.28 internal pager, Screen 3.09.11: right-padded spaces

2002-07-11 Thread Thomas Dickey

On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 09:04:09PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
 When I ssh in from my X11 desktop to my server (both Debian 3.0) and
 start sessions under GNU Screen (v. 3.09.11), among which are Mutt (v.
 1.3.28) instances, I get a weird effect with Mutt's internal pager:
 
 If I highlight text from Mutt's internal pager and use X11 copy/paste to 
 copy it to elsewhere, there is right-side padding of all lines of text.
 Most lines get padded all the way to column 80.  Some shorter lines get
 less (and I'm not sure what the pattern is).  
 
 Text copied/pasted from vim (as Mutt editor), or from less used in 
 place of the internal pager, don't show this symptom.
 
 If I exit from Screen entirely, then start up Mutt and use its internal 
 pager, X11 copy/pastes from the internal pager do NOT show that effect.
 So, something unhealthy's going on between Mutt's internal pager and Screen.
 
 
 :r! echo $TERM
 screen

but what does infocmp show?  (screen's terminfo normally doesn't say bce)

-- 
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ftp://invisible-island.net



Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc

2002-07-11 Thread Rocco Rutte

Hi,

* Thorsten Haude [02-07-11 21:28:53 +0200] wrote:
 * Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 01:30]:

   :source contrib/gpg.rc

 does it help?

 Nope.

That was one of the first things I did when I discovered
those problems. Now that I know that a MTA in my mailpath
has a broken mbox parser I can verify a few of those bad
mails. A few which I can't verify remain.

David provided some other tips which didn't help for me. So
I just commented out the code producing the message in mutt
(Signature could NOT be verified). It's ugly but it works
for me.

   bye, Rocco



Re: how to use the ISP''s smtp server directly

2002-07-11 Thread Will Yardley

David Champion wrote:
 * On 2002.07.11, in [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 * Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 postfix is also a bit less complicated than sendmail to configure (and
 harder to misconfigure).
 
 Sendmail configuration is usually quite easy (that is, unless you're
 doing complicated things with it). It's finding out how to configure
 it that's hard. The introductory material is not so good.
 
 Given a quick start guide, though, sendmail is no worse than postfix
 (which I found harder to configure, frankly).

i suppose it's a matter of opinion, and what you're used to (and what
your personal preferences are).  I have used (and continue to use)
sendmail, although I generally prefer to use postfix when possible.  

I make no claims to being an expert with m4, but I find flat
configuration files simpler to deal with, and there are a lot of
mistakes (order of stuff in the mc file, editing the cf file directly)
that people tend to make frequently if they don't have experience with
sendmail.

Many vendors have their own tools which make it easier (or harder) to
deal with.

The postconf tool is also very useful since it lets you query both
default and current settings, and even edit settings if necessary.

I have no hard stats, but I've found postfix's performance to be better
than sendmail's, and its security record is excellent.

Charles Cazabon wrote:
 
 qmail configuration is even easier.  Installing the software is trivial if you
 follow Life with qmail (http://lifewithqmail.org), and then configuration is
 literally a single step for simple installations:

To each his / her own, I suppose.  I find qmail almost as unpleasant as
its author.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william  @ hq . newdream . net . 




Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc

2002-07-11 Thread Thorsten Haude

Hi,

* Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 21:33]:
* Thorsten Haude [02-07-11 21:28:53 +0200] wrote:
 * Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 01:30]:

   :source contrib/gpg.rc

 does it help?

 Nope.

That was one of the first things I did when I discovered
those problems. Now that I know that a MTA in my mailpath
has a broken mbox parser I can verify a few of those bad
mails. A few which I can't verify remain.

Could you tell more about this? How did you identify the broken MTA
and what did you do to fix it?


David provided some other tips which didn't help for me.

I sure tried to follow that thread but David's mails are much harder
to read than the others.


So I just commented out the code producing the message in mutt
(Signature could NOT be verified). It's ugly but it works for me.

Errr..  That means you disabled verifying?


Thorsten
-- 
The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away for expedients.
- Edmund Burke



Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc

2002-07-11 Thread Rocco Rutte

Hi,

* Thorsten Haude [02-07-11 22:10:53 +0200] wrote:
 * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 21:33]:

 That was one of the first things I did when I discovered
 those problems. Now that I know that a MTA in my mailpath
 has a broken mbox parser I can verify a few of those bad
 mails. A few which I can't verify remain.

 Could you tell more about this? How did you identify the
 broken MTA and what did you do to fix it?

Someone else found out that GMX escapes 'from' at the
beginning of a line to 'from' which was the reason why I
could not verify a few mails. It's a short sed/python/perl
solution to remove it again. As I said, a few still remain.

Since some people don't have problems at all, I don't
believe in a mutt problem anymore but in an MTA and MDA
issue (MTAs, fetchmail, procmail and the like). A start
would be to compare the raw messages affected with the
orignal by the author (those discussions should be moved off
list) and to collect some information about the mail
configurations involved.

 David provided some other tips which didn't help for me.

 I sure tried to follow that thread but David's mails are
 much harder to read than the others.

Because of the quoting? ;-) His tips entirely dealed with
GPG. I can look it up and tell you the message-id.

 So I just commented out the code producing the message in
 mutt (Signature could NOT be verified). It's ugly but
 it works for me.

 Errr..  That means you disabled verifying?

No. I just stoped mutt reporting about the verification. The
GPG output I see is verbose enough, IMO.

Someone could easily fool me with faked GPG reports this
way... I know.

   bye, Rocco



Re: how to use the ISP''s smtp server directly

2002-07-11 Thread Rocco Rutte

Hi,

* Will Yardley [02-07-11 22:10:53 +0200] wrote:
 The postconf tool is also very useful since it lets you
 query both default and current settings, and even edit
 settings if necessary.

Such a feature would be cool for mutt, too. Finding config
mistakes was easier by just reporting non-default values of
the system-wide and user-specific config files (for use in
flea(1), for example).

   bye, Rocco



Bye, for now

2002-07-11 Thread Mike Schiraldi

I'm leaving my job to return to school, and my new priorities mean i can't
really keep up with the traffic on the mutt lists anymore. Also, mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] will start bouncing soon. However, if anyone has any
questions about S/MIME or the index_context patch*, you can reach me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

It's been fun.

*plug: you should really get around to accepting it into CVS since i'm not
 going to be around to update the patch for future mutt releases, or to bug
 you anymore about accepting the patch



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Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc

2002-07-11 Thread Thorsten Haude

Hi,

* Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 22:29]:
* Thorsten Haude [02-07-11 22:10:53 +0200] wrote:
 * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 21:33]:

 That was one of the first things I did when I discovered
 those problems. Now that I know that a MTA in my mailpath
 has a broken mbox parser I can verify a few of those bad
 mails. A few which I can't verify remain.

 Could you tell more about this? How did you identify the
 broken MTA and what did you do to fix it?

Someone else found out that GMX escapes 'from' at the
beginning of a line to 'from' which was the reason why I
could not verify a few mails. It's a short sed/python/perl
solution to remove it again. As I said, a few still remain.

A lot of the mails i have problems with are form David (no GMX). I
checked some others with the same problem, also no GMX.


 David provided some other tips which didn't help for me.

 I sure tried to follow that thread but David's mails are
 much harder to read than the others.

Because of the quoting? ;-) His tips entirely dealed with
GPG. I can look it up and tell you the message-id.

Yup, the quoting. I read mails by color, and David's are uncolored but
much more bumpy than the average tofu mail.


 So I just commented out the code producing the message in
 mutt (Signature could NOT be verified). It's ugly but
 it works for me.

 Errr..  That means you disabled verifying?

No. I just stoped mutt reporting about the verification. The
GPG output I see is verbose enough, IMO.

I think we are talking about two different things here. What I see is
this:
[-- PGP output follows (current time: Don 11 Jul 2002 23:06:04 CEST) --]
gpg: Warnung: Sensible Daten könnten auf Platte ausgelagert werden.
gpg: Unterschrift vom Son 09 Jun 2002 19:12:09 CEST, DSA Schlüssel ID 7B9F4700
gpg: FALSCHE Unterschrift von David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[-- Ende der PGP-Ausgabe --]
Warning: Sensitive data could be swapped to disk.
Signature from (...)
WRONG Signature from (...)

So nothing about verbose GPG output.

I also see another error, where Mutt displays an empty line between
the (correct) GPG output and the marker: '[-- Ende der PGP-Ausgabe --]'
and won't verify the mail. Is this the one you see?


Thorsten
-- 
Question Authority!



Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc

2002-07-11 Thread Rocco Rutte

Hi,

* Thorsten Haude [02-07-11 23:25:41 +0200] wrote:
 * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 22:29]:
 * Thorsten Haude [02-07-11 22:10:53 +0200] wrote:
  * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 21:33]:

 A lot of the mails i have problems with are form David (no
 GMX). I checked some others with the same problem, also no
 GMX.

To clear things up: GMX on the receiving and not on the
sending side.

  I sure tried to follow that thread but David's mails
  are much harder to read than the others.

 Because of the quoting? ;-) His tips entirely dealed with
 GPG. I can look it up and tell you the message-id.

 Yup, the quoting. I read mails by color, and David's are
 uncolored but much more bumpy than the average tofu mail.

You can easily add '%' to the list of known quoting
character to make his mails colored, too.

 No. I just stoped mutt reporting about the verification.
 The GPG output I see is verbose enough, IMO.

 I think we are talking about two different things here.

Not really, see below.

 What I see is this:
 [-- PGP output follows (current time: Don 11 Jul 2002 23:06:04 CEST) --]
 gpg: Warnung: Sensible Daten könnten auf Platte ausgelagert werden.
 gpg: Unterschrift vom Son 09 Jun 2002 19:12:09 CEST, DSA Schlüssel ID 7B9F4700
 gpg: FALSCHE Unterschrift von David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [-- Ende der PGP-Ausgabe --]

Same here (in English, of course). After repairing what GMX
broke I don't get any of these anymore. What I still have is
that GPG says it's okay while mutt claims it isn't. I can't
see how this could happen (according to the documented GPG
return codes).

It would be really interesting to compare the raw message of
one you can't verify to one somebody else can.

 So nothing about verbose GPG output.

With 'verbose' I mean what we get. S/MIME produces only a
one-liner. What would be verbose the way you think of?

   bye, Rocco



Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc

2002-07-11 Thread Phil Gregory

* Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-07-11 23:24 +0200]:
 A lot of the mails i have problems with are form David (no GMX).

IIRC, the last time a thread came up where people were having problems in
David's emails not verifying, the problem was traced to an MTA that was
improperly quoting/unquoting the leading dots in his attribution line.

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Re: Mutt 1.3.28 internal pager, Screen 3.09.11: right-padded spaces

2002-07-11 Thread Rick Moen

Quoting Thomas Dickey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

 but what does infocmp show?  (screen's terminfo normally doesn't say bce)

Thanks for asking.  This is from one of the screen sessions, of course:

[rick@uncle-enzo]
~ $ infocmp 
#   Reconstructed via infocmp from file: /etc/terminfo/s/screen
screen|VT 100/ANSI X3.64 virtual terminal, 
am, km, mir, msgr, xenl, 
colors#8, cols#80, it#8, lines#24, pairs#64, 
acsc=++\,\,--..00II``aaffgghhjjkkllmmnnooppqqrrssttuuvvwwxxyyzz{{||}}~~, 
bel=^G, blink=\E[5m, bold=\E[1m, cbt=\E[Z, civis=\E[?25l, 
clear=\E[H\E[J, cnorm=\E[34h\E[?25h, cr=^M, 
csr=\E[%i%p1%d;%p2%dr, cub=\E[%p1%dD, cub1=^H, 
cud=\E[%p1%dB, cud1=^J, cuf=\E[%p1%dC, cuf1=\E[C, 
cup=\E[%i%p1%d;%p2%dH, cuu=\E[%p1%dA, cuu1=\EM, 
cvvis=\E[34l, dch=\E[%p1%dP, dch1=\E[P, dl=\E[%p1%dM, 
dl1=\E[M, ed=\E[J, el=\E[K, el1=\E[1K, enacs=\E(B\E)0, 
flash=\Eg, home=\E[H, ht=^I, hts=\EH, ich=\E[%p1%d@, 
il=\E[%p1%dL, il1=\E[L, ind=^J, is2=\E)0, kbs=\177, 
kcub1=\EOD, kcud1=\EOB, kcuf1=\EOC, kcuu1=\EOA, 
kdch1=\E[3~, kend=\E[4~, kf1=\EOP, kf10=\E[21~, 
kf11=\E[23~, kf12=\E[24~, kf2=\EOQ, kf3=\EOR, kf4=\EOS, 
kf5=\E[15~, kf6=\E[17~, kf7=\E[18~, kf8=\E[19~, kf9=\E[20~, 
khome=\E[1~, kich1=\E[2~, knp=\E[6~, kpp=\E[5~, nel=\EE, 
op=\E[39;49m, rc=\E8, rev=\E[7m, ri=\EM, rmacs=^O, 
rmir=\E[4l, rmkx=\E[?1l\E, rmso=\E[23m, rmul=\E[24m, 
rs2=\Ec, sc=\E7, setab=\E[4%p1%dm, setaf=\E[3%p1%dm, 
sgr0=\E[m, smacs=^N, smir=\E[4h, smkx=\E[?1h\E=, 
smso=\E[3m, smul=\E[4m, tbc=\E[3g, 
[rick@uncle-enzo]
~ $ 


The syndrome showed up _before_ I started trying to use BCE, at the 
time of a mutt upgrade a year or do ago.

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Re: Mutt 1.3.28 internal pager, Screen 3.09.11: right-padded spaces

2002-07-11 Thread Rick Moen

Quoting Thomas Dickey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

[my infocmp output snipped]

 ...and no bce.  Recent versions of screen allow you to set bce in its
 configuration, but you have to install a terminfo entry for screen
 which adds 'bce', so it will work properly.

I fear we might be trying to solve the wrong problem, here.  You see, 
I've only had defbce on in /etc/screenrc and the aforementioned
~/.terminfo/s/screen entry (symlinked to
/usr/share/terminfo/s/screen-bce ) to inform screen that the terminal 
supports BCE for _two days_, and the symptom appeared a year or so ago.

Ordinarily, I'm very careful not to introduce more variables into a
diagnostic situation:  I chanced enabling Background Color Erase support 
two days ago only because I kept careful track of those steps, so I 
could reverse them.

Which I've just done:  I commented out defbce on in /etc/screenrc, 
removed ~/.terminfo/ , terminated screen, and restarted it.  Running
infocmp again (under screen), one now sees:

:r! infocmp

#   Reconstructed via infocmp from file: /etc/terminfo/s/screen
screen|VT 100/ANSI X3.64 virtual terminal, 
am, km, mir, msgr, xenl, 
colors#8, cols#80, it#8, lines#24, pairs#64, 
acsc=++\,\,--..00II``aaffgghhjjkkllmmnnooppqqrrssttuuvvwwxxyyzz{{||}}~~, 
bel=^G, blink=\E[5m, bold=\E[1m, cbt=\E[Z, civis=\E[?25l, 
clear=\E[H\E[J, cnorm=\E[34h\E[?25h, cr=^M, 
csr=\E[%i%p1%d;%p2%dr, cub=\E[%p1%dD, cub1=^H, 
cud=\E[%p1%dB, cud1=^J, cuf=\E[%p1%dC, cuf1=\E[C, 
cup=\E[%i%p1%d;%p2%dH, cuu=\E[%p1%dA, cuu1=\EM, 
cvvis=\E[34l, dch=\E[%p1%dP, dch1=\E[P, dl=\E[%p1%dM, 
dl1=\E[M, ed=\E[J, el=\E[K, el1=\E[1K, enacs=\E(B\E)0, 
flash=\Eg, home=\E[H, ht=^I, hts=\EH, ich=\E[%p1%d@, 
il=\E[%p1%dL, il1=\E[L, ind=^J, is2=\E)0, kbs=\177, 
kcub1=\EOD, kcud1=\EOB, kcuf1=\EOC, kcuu1=\EOA, 
kdch1=\E[3~, kend=\E[4~, kf1=\EOP, kf10=\E[21~, 
kf11=\E[23~, kf12=\E[24~, kf2=\EOQ, kf3=\EOR, kf4=\EOS, 
kf5=\E[15~, kf6=\E[17~, kf7=\E[18~, kf8=\E[19~, kf9=\E[20~, 
khome=\E[1~, kich1=\E[2~, knp=\E[6~, kpp=\E[5~, nel=\EE, 
op=\E[39;49m, rc=\E8, rev=\E[7m, ri=\EM, rmacs=^O, 
rmir=\E[4l, rmkx=\E[?1l\E, rmso=\E[23m, rmul=\E[24m, 
rs2=\Ec, sc=\E7, setab=\E[4%p1%dm, setaf=\E[3%p1%dm, 
sgr0=\E[m, smacs=^N, smir=\E[4h, smkx=\E[?1h\E=, 
smso=\E[3m, smul=\E[4m, tbc=\E[3g, 

:r! echo $TERM
screen

As an extra datum, in case it helps, I've seen this symptom while
ssh'ed in from a large variety of X11 workstations, so the problem seems 
specific to the server end (the host where screen and mutt run).

Rather than post them (since they're long), I've tarred up my current
~/.muttrc and /etc/screenrc, as
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/screen-mutt.tar.gz .  There is no
~/.screenrc for my login.

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newbie question on binding

2002-07-11 Thread Rich

i am currently running Mutt 1.4i (2002-05-29) on mandrake 8.2, with a 
muttrc created with the automated muttrc builder
(http://mutt.netliberte.org/). When i am reading a message, in the pager
if i am not mistaken, and i want to scroll up to the previous line i
cannot using either the backspace key or the  key which if i look in 
the help they are BOTH defined as previous-line. I have tried actually 
binding the keys while i am in mutt with the command :bind pager
backspace previous-line the command doesnt return any errors but again
it still doesnt work. I have tried setting it in my muttrc and that
doesnt work either. Can anyone give me some insight on this? i have been
lurking on the list for a little while and have seen nothing about this.
Thanks in advance.

--
rich



Re: replying to and quoting an HTML attachment

2002-07-11 Thread Eugene Lee

On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 09:44:53AM -0700, Gary Johnson wrote:
: 
: On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 06:44:46PM -0700, Eugene Lee wrote:
:  
:  Now if I can only figure out how to keep both entries and get Mutt to
:  let me select between the two methods...
: 
: You can.  Just put them in you mailcap in this order:
: 
: text/html; links %s; nametemplate=%s.html
: text/html; links -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput

Ahhh.  At one time, I did have both entries, but in reversed order.

: This is covered in the mutt manual in the section on Search Order
: (5.3.3.2) under Advanced mailcap Usage (5.3.3).

Another Ahhh.  I think I got hung up on this line in the manual:

When searching for an entry in the mailcap file, Mutt will
search for the most useful entry for its purpose.

Mucho thanks!


-- 
Eugene Lee
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