Re: Phishing and telemarketing telephone calls

On 4/27/20 11:12 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: On Mon, 27 Apr 2020, William Herrin wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 7:32 PM Matthew Black wrote: Good grief, selling a kit for $47. Since all robocalls employ Caller ID spoofing, just how does one prove who called? You don't. AFAICT, that's the point

Re: Phishing and telemarketing telephone calls

On 4/27/20 9:15 AM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: What exactly is this "basic internet research"? I thought the big problem is that they are trivially capable of covering their tracks. There is always a money trail. Always. Because the whole point of these calls/sms messages is to get

Re: mail admins?

On 4/27/20 8:35 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 7:14 AM Michael Thomas wrote: On 4/26/20 8:39 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 05:10:56PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: Which exactly zero deployment. And you need to store the plain-text password on the server

Re: mail admins?

On 4/26/20 8:39 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 05:10:56PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: On 4/26/20 5:07 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 07:59:24AM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: On 4/26/20 7:32 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 07:56:30PM -0700

Re: mail admins?

On 4/26/20 5:07 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 07:59:24AM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: On 4/26/20 7:32 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 07:56:30PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: $SHINYNEWSITE has only to entice you to enter your reused password which comes out

Re: Phishing and telemarketing telephone calls

On 4/25/20 10:23 AM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: On Apr 24, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: On Fri, 24 Apr 2020, Matthew Black wrote: Has anyone else noticed a steep decline in annoying phone calls since the FCC threatened legal action against three major VOIP gateways if they

Re: mail admins?

On 4/26/20 7:32 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 07:56:30PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: $SHINYNEWSITE has only to entice you to enter your reused password which comes out in the clear on the other side of that TLS connection.?? basically password phishing. you can whine all

Re: mail admins?

On 4/24/20 5:01 PM, Bryan Holloway wrote: On 4/24/20 4:58 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: On 4/23/20 8:48 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 07:47:58PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: On 4/23/20 7:35 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: While I do think webauthn is a neat idea, and solves at least

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 8:48 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 07:47:58PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: On 4/23/20 7:35 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: While I do think webauthn is a neat idea, and solves at least one very real problem (credential theft via phishing), you do an absolutely terrible job

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 6:20 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:57 PM Michael Thomas wrote: If you want an actual verifiable current day problem which is a clear and present danger, you should be running as fast as you can to retrofit every piece of web technology with webauthn to get

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 7:35 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 06:31:04PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: Passwords over the wire are the *key* problem of computer security. Nothing else even comes close. Hmm, a bold claim, but I'm confident the author will have strong support

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 6:20 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:57 PM Michael Thomas wrote: If you want an actual verifiable current day problem which is a clear and present danger, you should be running as fast as you can to retrofit every piece of web technology with webauthn to get

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 6:07 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 09:10:37AM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: javascript is a hell of a lot safer than downloading native apps on your phone, for example. Because those are, of course, the *only* two possible options for accessing information. I'm

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 4:40 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:13 PM Scott Weeks wrote: --- m...@mtcc.com wrote: I'm not sure why the admins of nanog's site should particularly care about appeasing the js tinfoil hat set. Not the tin foil hat crowd, security. Can't it be both?

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 4:13 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- m...@mtcc.com wrote: From: Michael Thomas I'm not sure why the admins of nanog's site should particularly care about appeasing the js tinfoil hat set. i mean, computers computing! who will stop this madness

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 12:15 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- m...@mtcc.com wrote So I should just get used to configuring routers with HTTP and Notepad and forget about that nasty, old, 20th century vi crap? :) No, but complaining about javascript on websites - Just to be

Re: mail admins?

On 4/21/20 7:46 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- m...@mtcc.com wrote: From: Michael Thomas To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: mail admins? Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:34:36 -0700 On 4/21/20 5:19 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: I think you just need to let scripts run in your browser for nanog.org. sad

Re: mail admins?

On 4/21/20 7:46 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- m...@mtcc.com wrote: From: Michael Thomas To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: mail admins? Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:34:36 -0700 On 4/21/20 5:19 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: I think you just need to let scripts run in your browser for nanog.org. sad

Re: mail admins?

On 4/21/20 5:19 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: I think you just need to let scripts run in your browser for nanog.org. sad. http://nanog.org used to be the brilliant example of a fully featured web site sans javascript, flash, ... --- I'm not one

Re: Scientists predict more major hurricanes than normal in 2020 season

And a comet too! https://www.cnet.com/news/brightening-comet-atlas-could-soon-lift-your-gaze-and-spirits-just-a-little/ Mike On 4/2/20 10:02 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: How is ISPs hurricane response planning going?

Re: free collaborative tools for low BW and losy connections

On 3/30/20 11:18 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote: On Monday, 30 March, 2020 11:19, Michael Thomas wrote: On 3/30/20 5:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 06:30:16AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote: Actual text traffic has been slowly dying off for years as webforums have matured and become

Re: free collaborative tools for low BW and losy connections

On 3/30/20 11:28 AM, Joe Greco wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:18:37PM -0600, Keith Medcalf wrote: The thing that mailing lists lack is a central directory of their existence. The discovery problem is a pretty big one. Where is this to be found for webforums? I have never seen one. Or do

Re: free collaborative tools for low BW and losy connections

On 3/30/20 11:18 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote: On Monday, 30 March, 2020 11:19, Michael Thomas wrote: On 3/30/20 5:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 06:30:16AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote: Actual text traffic has been slowly dying off for years as webforums have matured and become

Re: free collaborative tools for low BW and losy connections

On 3/30/20 5:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 06:30:16AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote: Actual text traffic has been slowly dying off for years as webforums have matured and become a better choice of technology for nontechnical end users on high speed Internet connections. My

Re: free collaborative tools for low BW and losy connections

On 3/29/20 1:46 PM, Joe Greco wrote: On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 07:46:28PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: Joe Greco wrote on 29/03/2020 15:56: The concept of flooding isn't problematic by itself. Flood often works fine until you attempt to scale it. Then it breaks, just like Bj??rn admitted.

crypto frobs

On 3/23/20 3:53 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: Hi, In my experience, yubikeys are not very secure. I know of someone in my team who would generate a few hundred tokens during a meeting and save the output in a text file. Then they'd have a small python script which was triggered by a hotkey on my

Re: South Africa On Lockdown - Coronavirus - Update!

I don't know about Fido, but i've been making that point about Oauth for a very long time. As a browser mechanism which implements a sandbox it's fine. But when you have apps that can reach out of the sandbox it is definitely not fine. Mike On 3/23/20 2:59 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: Both Fido

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

On 3/7/20 3:53 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Sat, 7 Mar 2020, John Levine wrote: This must be some DKIM other than the one the IETF standardized and every large mail provider uses to manage mail streams.  There's no CA's, you publish your own verification key in your DNS, and it costs nothing

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

On 3/7/20 11:54 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: Has encryption ever solved scams/fraud/spam? Extended Validation SSL Certificates - Just pay a Certificate Authority more money DKIM signed email - Just pay a mail provider more money to blast email SWIFT encrypted payments - Just find the weakest

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

On 3/7/20 9:53 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:10 AM Bryan Holloway wrote: On 3/7/20 8:03 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell wrote: So, if my telco can bill the callers for those premium calls, they surely know who they

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

On 3/6/20 2:34 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: https://www.fcc.gov/document/chairman-pai-proposes-mandating-stirshaken-combat-robocalls Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai today proposed a major step forward to further the FCC’s efforts to protect consumers against spoofed

Re: Jenkins amplification

On 2/3/20 10:48 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: Sorry, to be a little less flippant and a bit more productive: "I don't think every remote endpoint needs full access (or even some compromise based on how well you can/can't scale your VPN box's policies) access to the internal network. I

Re: abrupt speed changes and TCP

On 1/30/20 11:46 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:58 AM Michael Thomas wrote: So it occurs to me in the rollout of 5G just walking down the street you might shift back and forth between high speed 5G bands and 4G because of uneven deployment and all sorts of other reasons

abrupt speed changes and TCP

So it occurs to me in the rollout of 5G just walking down the street you might shift back and forth between high speed 5G bands and 4G because of uneven deployment and all sorts of other reasons. It sounds like this could vary block by block practically. I assume TCP just views this as

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 1/6/20 2:42 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: - On Jan 6, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: Hi, On 1/6/20 1:21 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: Low Earth Orbit satellites do not have a fixed position and move in a low orbit. But at what cost to latency? Sounds like gamers would

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 1/6/20 1:21 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: Low Earth Orbit satellites do not have a fixed position and move in a low orbit. This means that in order to serve a particular region, one must deploy a constellation of satellites in order to ensure that at least one transponder is always covering the

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 1/5/20 10:39 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 5/Jan/20 22:56, Michael Thomas wrote: It occurs to me that what we're really quibbling about here is where fiber ends. Indeed. The notion that wireless will replace fibre is misplaced. Wireless is just so prevalent because folk don't want

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 1/5/20 10:45 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 5/Jan/20 23:10, Michael Thomas wrote: Aren't commercial and MDU just terminating the fiber at the building and sending ethernet where it's needed? Shane is right - some commercial buildings can make your life difficult when trying to bring in fibre

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 1/5/20 1:05 PM, Shane Ronan wrote: This may be the case for single family homes, but bringing ftth into MDUs can be very ezpensive, as building want to charge entry fees, etc. Same goes for commercial buildings. 5G fixed wireless allows wireless to be used for the last mile, with the

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 1/5/20 3:21 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: I think we can all agree that the future is wireless access for everything (phones, tablets, laptops, domestic appliances, e.t.c.). The question isn't about whether the kids will be using wire or wireless... we know they will be using wireless. The

Re: power to the internet

On 1/2/20 1:34 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: - On Jan 2, 2020, at 1:24 PM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: PS: You also wouldn't believe how cheap the power is. California's prices are high compared to most of the US, but it's still only about €0.15 per KWh. I don't know where you live,

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

in an encrypted tunnel it's nobody's business what's in it :) Mike On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 7:45 PM Michael Thomas <mailto:m...@mtcc.com>> wrote: On 12/30/19 4:41 PM, Shane Ronan wrote: Look up VoLTE. Yeah I did, and confirmed it's just SIP+RTP over IP. Which is why

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 4:41 PM, Shane Ronan wrote: Look up VoLTE. Yeah I did, and confirmed it's just SIP+RTP over IP.  Which is why it's so frustratingly hard to find the same simple diagram or whatever for vowifi. Mike On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 7:39 PM Michael Thomas <mailto:m...@mtcc.com>&

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 4:19 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: I really don't want to go diving down the 3GPP document hole... Yeah, no kidding. It's like acronym soup. I've been trying all afternoon to figure out vowifi and am now pretty certain that it's just SIP signaling over IP. But it's been really

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 3:34 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 6:09 PM Michael Thomas wrote: On 12/30/19 2:46 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: On 12/30/19 5:42 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: Oh, I didn't know that. Seems like it's a relatively new thing. Seems like they went to a lot

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 2:46 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: On 12/30/19 5:42 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: Oh, I didn't know that. Seems like it's a relatively new thing. Seems like they went to a lot of trouble to essentially do what voip does. Or maybe not? I've been poking around trying figure out what's

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 2:39 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: It'd be nice to see what benefits 5g really has for carriers and consumers/users... It looks, to me, like a bunch of the 5g hype is really: "uhm, we need to sell these carriers on the G++ ... spin up the hype machine about speed!" never mind the

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 1:35 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: On 12/30/19 4:14 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: The latency argument is what interests me. Supposedly 4G's latency and jitter are tough on voip. If that improves there is just no reason for TDM to phones which is a significant development because cell

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 12:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I mean it's inevitable that 5G replaces 4G. It just comes down to the spectrum the given carrier uses that dictates speed and range. In the US, AT and Verizon are deploying in the millimeter bands. They'll do a gig at a few hundred feet. T-Mobile is

5G roadblock: labor

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/29/big-barrier-trump-5g-america-089883 An interesting article on the road to 5G that they need to about double the size of the workforce to roll it out. I expect that this affects some of you directly. But one of its premises seems a little shaky to

Re: power to the internet

On 12/26/19 6:38 PM, Fred Baker wrote: This time it’s PG all alone, but still fallout from back then. Too much liability and they’ve not maintained the infrastructure and so they decided that to reduce the liability costs it’s cheaper to blackout. Same story again different colors. PG making

Re: power to the internet

On 12/26/19 4:06 PM, John Levine wrote: In article you write: run but are now showing their long term consequences, notably land use that encourages sprawl and construction in ill-suited areas If we stopped construction in all of the ill-suited areas, we'd stop construction all together,

Re: power to the internet

On 12/26/19 11:18 AM, John Levine wrote: In article you write: To reanswer the question posed though, is still the same ; $$$. If network operators take the position that the electric utility supply should be more reliable than it is, then they need to start influencing and lobbying for

Re: power to the internet

On 12/26/19 11:18 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote: On 12/26/19 10:55 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: Here in California, you're going to need a lot more than 8 hours. We had one that lasted 3 days, followed by about 8 hours of power, followed by 2 days of no power. If this is the new normal, and I'm

Re: power to the internet

On 12/26/19 11:00 AM, Ben Cannon wrote: How much generating capacity can you get out of a typical hybrid? You’re joking right?  A lot… Enough to run an entire neighborhood…   The Prius makes 50,000watts alone. With the right circuitry, there is no need for power plants in the United

Re: power to the internet

On 12/26/19 10:41 AM, Ben Cannon wrote: Exactly. And we will build it all. The power stuff is serious people.  We’ve gotten letters from the FCC over it.  There is additional regulation coming down when people can’t call 911! You need at minimum 8 hours (or your CRT response time with a

Re: power to the internet

On 12/26/19 10:26 AM, Tom Beecher wrote: If that was a reference to my comments, it was certainly not my intention. I was striving to avoid it being seen as that, but apparently fell short. Not directed at you at all. To reanswer the question posed though, is still the same ; $$$. If

Re: power to the internet

On 12/26/19 10:19 AM, Jason Wilson wrote: As a small WISP operator in Northern California and well into the urban interface we fell victim to the PSPS this year. Thousands was spent on upgrading battery plants that would normally hold during a short outage and generator purchases, whether it

Re: power to the internet

On 12/26/19 7:51 AM, Mike Bolitho wrote: I'm pretty sure political bickering is well beyond the scope of the mailing list. Is anyone moderating this? It certainly wasn't my intent or desire to have this turn political, and shame on the person who did. This is a serious networking related

Re: power to the internet

On 12/25/19 7:26 PM, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: I'm an ex-California resident myself here Good riddance. This has nothing to do with the climate change that is actually happening here. Mike

Re: power to the internet

On 12/25/19 7:10 PM, Stephen Satchell wrote: On 12/25/19 6:29 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: Yes, this is exactly right. My point here isn't to assign blame, but to ask what the hell we're going to do about it. Trying to score political points is disgusting. Do you live in California? Yes

Re: power to the internet

On 12/25/19 6:16 PM, Michael Loftis wrote: Having lived through the blackouts that was entirely different. 90% Enron manipulating the markets. There was plenty of capacity both in transmission and generation, but Enron manipulated prices and apparent supply to make money and screwed the

Re: power to the internet

On 12/25/19 5:59 PM, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 at 19:32, Michael Thomas <mailto:m...@mtcc.com>> wrote: On the dark side, this is probably coming to a lot more states and countries due to climate change. Australia. Sigh. Do you have a source for this? 

power to the internet

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/25/california-power-shutoffs-089678 This article details some of the issues with California's "new reality" of planned blackouts. One of the big things that came to light with these blackouts is that our network infrastructure's resilience is pretty

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/20/19 11:46 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 1:40 PM Michael Thomas wrote: SHAKEN is trying to solve e.164 problem which inherently hard and subject to a lot of cases where it fails. Their problem statement is worth the read if you're interested. I'll have to go

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 9:14 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: Plus if it didn't work well/too cumbersome/etc with email, it probably won't be any better with voice. We have lots of experience with what doesn't work for email. I sort of figured that the shaken/stir model that ( i happened to propose in their

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 6:52 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: On Thursday, 19 December, 2019 19:07, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 16:02:42 -0700, "Keith Medcalf" said: That stupid people do stupid things has no bearing on me. If there is a legal requirement for these people to be "notifying"

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 2:56 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: On Thursday, 19 December, 2019 13:57, Michael Thomas wrote: Plus if it didn't work well/too cumbersome/etc with email, it probably won't be any better with voice. We have lots of experience with what doesn't work for email. I really do not care

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 1:09 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: Bcc: Subject: Reply-To: In-Reply-To: On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:34:48AM -0800, William Herrin wrote: I don't want to start an arms race with the spam callers, I want to end it. That means: jump directly to something they can't easily defeat. It is

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 11:27 AM, Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 11:02 -0800, William Herrin wrote: I call your phone number. Your phone company compares my number against your whitelist. Ring through on match. If no match, "You have reached Name. Press 2 to leave a message. Press 3 to

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 11:34 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:27 AM Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 11:02 -0800, William Herrin wrote: I call your phone number. Your phone company compares my number against your whitelist. Ring through on match. If no match, "You have

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 8:16 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: How is it envisioned that this will work? I mean, I'm all for less spam calling... and ideally there would be some form of 'source address verification' on the PSTN/phone network... but in today's world that really just doesn't exist and the

Re: Elephant in the room - Akamai

On 12/8/19 3:37 PM, Fred Baker wrote: Sent from my iPad On Dec 5, 2019, at 9:03 PM, Stephen Satchell wrote: For SP-grade routers, there isn't "code" that needs to be added to combat buffer bloat. All an admin has to do is cut back on the number of packet buffers on each interface -- an

Re: Elephant in the room - Akamai

On 12/5/19 6:02 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: On Thu, 05 Dec 2019 14:18:07 -0800, Michael Thomas said: My suspicion is that the root problem was buffer bloat -- i flashed a new router with openwrt and was a little dismayed that the bufferbloat code is a plugin you have to enable. The buffer

Re: Elephant in the room - Akamai

On 12/5/19 1:44 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: On Thu, 05 Dec 2019 14:41:30 -0600, "Aaron Gould" said: Tarko. wow, gaming again ! It's not going away. gaming traffic is growing in a big way it seems. And it's only going to get worse. Sony has already announced that the Playstation 5 will

Re: Disney+ Streaming

Back in the old days, we had the ultimate in unbundling: you walked up, got a ticket, and watched the movie. In principle it wouldn't be that hard these days to do something similar with a tremendous reduction in friction. Basically pay-per-view on steroids. My sense is that it would be

Re: U.S. Senate: READI Act 2019 re-introducted

On 10/27/19 4:46 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Sun, 27 Oct 2019, Sean Donelan wrote: I do not expect Apple, Amazon or Google to do something until forced too. The semi-joke amoung the emergency management community, if tech firm CEOs lived in the mid-west (tornado alley) or south-east

Re: U.S. Senate: READI Act 2019 re-introducted

On 10/27/19 4:46 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Sun, 27 Oct 2019, Sean Donelan wrote: I do not expect Apple, Amazon or Google to do something until forced too. The semi-joke amoung the emergency management community, if tech firm CEOs lived in the mid-west (tornado alley) or south-east

Re: U.S. Senate: READI Act 2019 re-introducted

On 10/27/19 11:57 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Fri, 25 Oct 2019, Michael Thomas wrote: Ok, you had me completely puzzled by digital assistant layer. I'm not sure apps might not be interested in competing for users: "This 7.0 earthquake is brought to you by Allstate!" I'll assume yo

Re: U.S. Senate: READI Act 2019 re-introducted

On 10/25/19 11:21 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Thu, 24 Oct 2019, Michael Thomas wrote: Content provider is pretty ill defined -- everything is "content". But I'm not sure why it should reside in smart assistants either. What if I don't want or use any of them? They're awfull

Re: U.S. Senate: READI Act 2019 re-introducted

On 10/24/19 4:01 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: U.S. Senators Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) and John Thune (R-S.D.) reintroduced the Reliable Emergency Alert Distribution Improvement (READI) Act today (October 24, 2019). The READI Act would: [...] Explore establishing a system to offer emergency alerts

Re: VDSL

On 10/16/19 5:12 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: On 10/16/19 2:42 PM, Jeff Shultz wrote: But I'm confused a bit by the below - G.Fast is a twisted pair standard, last I saw - why would a cable (presumably coax) company be offering it?  Are they just taking over the PTT's inside wiring? G.fast has

Re: Comcast outages continue even in areas with PG power restored

at the co that charges the batteries. https://portal.adtran.com/pub/Library/Data_Sheets/International_/I61179918F1-8_1148VXP.pdf Mike On 10/16/19 12:09 PM, Jeff Shultz wrote: On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 4:26 PM Michael Thomas wrote: On 10/14/19 4:16 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2019, Michael

Re: Comcast outages continue even in areas with PG power restored

On 10/16/19 12:09 PM, Jeff Shultz wrote: Interesting! And so primitive! So they go to all of the expense of laying fiber, but not power too? Note: small local telco experience speaking below: Telco's tend to have experience with fiber, but probably not the construction and transmission of

Re: Comcast outages continue even in areas with PG power restored

On 10/14/19 5:58 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: On 10/14/19 8:26 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: So when we were working on this 20 years ago at Cisco, there was a tremendous amount of effort to deal with the issue of e911 and generally battery backup. I'm really surprised to hear that though we went

Re: Comcast outages continue even in areas with PG power restored

On 10/14/19 6:11 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2019, Michael Thomas wrote: deal with the CPE, that the cable plant was the actual problem. The cable companies should, imo, be held to the same standard as the telcos. Maybe even moreso these days since IP has taken over everything

Re: Comcast outages continue even in areas with PG power restored

On 10/14/19 4:39 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: All the conventional telcos are far more focused on keeping voice service alive since they get raked over the coals by the FCC if it drops due to lack of 911.  That includes wireless if they are both a wireline and wireless operator. 

Re: Comcast outages continue even in areas with PG power restored

On 10/14/19 4:16 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2019, Michael Thomas wrote: Of course this is a lot of conjecture on my part... be glad to be clued in by folks in know. An old news story, but telco's usually have backup batteries in their outside plant, cell towers, etc.  During

Re: Comcast outages continue even in areas with PG power restored

On 10/14/19 3:06 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: That is not why people are surprised.  When the house doesn't have power, and doesn't have home generator or UPS, (most) people are less surprised their DSL or Cable modem and VOIP doesn't work anymore. The reasons I saw people angry on twitter was

Re: Comcast outages continue even in areas with PG power restored

On 10/11/19 4:31 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: The FCC asked a half-dozen carriers about their network resilience plans last month.  Comcast was not one of the service providers askedd about their plans. The FCC should have looked closer at Comcast in California. While it was expected many people

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

On 10/10/19 10:40 AM, Randy Bush wrote: Pacific Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison have started Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS) in California wildfire high-risk areas. not exactly the diablo winds are way north in the state. but much of the power for the big metros is bought

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

On 10/9/19 2:15 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 12:37 PM Sean Donelan > wrote: Pacific Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison have started Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS) in California wildfire high-risk areas. Wasn't

Re: This DNS over HTTP thing

On 10/1/19 12:18 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: "Stephane Bortzmeyer" On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 11:56:33PM -0400, Brandon Martin wrote a message of 10 lines which said: It's use-application-dns.net. NXDOMAIN it, and Mozilla (at least) will go back to using

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

On 8/5/19 9:24 AM, Bryan Fields wrote: On 8/4/19 11:41 PM, Mehmet Akcin wrote: What can we do better as network operators about hate sites like 8Chan? I actually went and looked at 8chan, it would appear to me they have a bunch of hate filled people there, 10 yr olds who think saying the

Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC

On 7/18/19 3:15 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: "Michael Thomas" On 7/15/19 12:07 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: Yes, of course we sent out calls with "spoofed" CNID. But, even though only 2 or 3 or our 5 carriers* held *our* feet to the fire,

Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC

On 7/15/19 12:07 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: "Christopher Morrow" On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:00 PM Paul Timmins wrote: Chris it would be trivial for this to be fixed, nearly overnight, by creating some liability on the part of carriers for illicit use of

Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC

On 7/11/19 12:05 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 3:04 PM Peter Beckman wrote: "with the intent to defraud, cause harm, or wrongfully obtain anything of value" Kind of a huge hole that, unless you record all calls which opens other liability, is hard to prove. I'm not

Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC

On 7/11/19 12:03 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 2:35 PM Michael Thomas wrote: So I have a meta-question about all of this. Why in 2019 are we still using telephone numbers as the primary identifier? It's a pretty sip-py world these days, even on mobile phones with wifi

Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC

So I have a meta-question about all of this. Why in 2019 are we still using telephone numbers as the primary identifier? It's a pretty sip-py world these days, even on mobile phones with wifi calling, I assume. It seems like this problem would be more tractable if callerid was a last resort

Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC

On 7/8/19 7:11 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: when do we get back to stir/shaken? that would be nice. i have a lot of questions about stir/shaken. attacking a problem statement rfc seems rather bizarre and unhinged to me. it outlines a lot of the objections i had to p-asserted-identity i

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