Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

Gary - It is unclear if/when such an outcome will occur, but the potential of such an endstate highlights the importance of being involved in governance activities of one (or more) of the community-based RIR organizations – as a preparatory measure should such a change occur in the future.

Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 8:14 PM William Herrin wrote: > It still seems unwise, but not entirely insane. I would expect that at some point in the future that many/all of the major players will require RIR validated routing information, and whether that is due to regulation or best practices for

Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

> > Are you sure? The way I read it, that policy applies to -customer- > announced routes, not broad Internet routes received from peers and > transit. > You are reading it correctly. On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 3:15 PM William Herrin wrote: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 11:22 AM o...@delong.com

Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

> On Nov 22, 2023, at 12:13, William Herrin wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 11:22 AM o...@delong.com wrote: >>> On Nov 21, 2023, at 01:38, William Herrin wrote: >>> Disadvantages: Expensive IRR. No RPKI. No vote in ARIN elections. No >>> legal clarity regarding the status of your

Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

I’ve been using AltDB for years. Works great and is indeed, free. The fine folks at FCIX have taken over the project and manage it now. Lots of good documentstion out there for it as well. -Mike > On Nov 22, 2023, at 12:15, William Herrin wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 11:22 AM

Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 11:22 AM o...@delong.com wrote: > > On Nov 21, 2023, at 01:38, William Herrin wrote: > > Disadvantages: Expensive IRR. No RPKI. No vote in ARIN elections. No > > legal clarity regarding the status of your resources. > > Expensive IRR? ALTDB is free? I don't know anything

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Small correction inline: > On Nov 22, 2023, at 11:16, o...@delong.com wrote: > > It’s recently come to my attention that I must stand partially corrected in > what I said below. > > Apparently, Tata is rejecting routes that have neither RPKI nor an RIR-based > IRR record created after 1993.

Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

How so? What do you lose (that matters) by not having RPKI? Owen > On Nov 21, 2023, at 06:40, Eric Dugas wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 3:25 PM o...@delong.com > wrote: >> >> It’s unlikely that lack of RPKI will be a significant drawback for the >>

Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

> On Nov 21, 2023, at 01:38, William Herrin wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 10:59 AM Eric Dugas via NANOG wrote: >> Let's say you inherit legacy assets (ASN & IPv4 netblock), what are the >> first advantages that come to mind (beside not having to pay annual fees). >> >> Any

Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

It’s recently come to my attention that I must stand partially corrected in what I said below. Apparently, Tata is rejecting routes that have neither RPKI nor an RIR-based IRR record created after 1993. This means that virtually all legacy holders who change IRRs or make any of a number of

Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 3:25 PM o...@delong.com wrote: > > It’s unlikely that lack of RPKI will be a significant drawback for the > foreseeable future. > It is actually. The older Orgs I manage all have RIR-based IRR and RPKI. Thanks all for the answers

Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 10:59 AM Eric Dugas via NANOG wrote: > Let's say you inherit legacy assets (ASN & IPv4 netblock), what are the first > advantages that come to mind (beside not having to pay annual fees). > > Any disadvantages? The ones I can think of is the lack of RIR routing >

Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 4:15 PM Lukas Tribus wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 at 20:08, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > > > > You can get IRR from RADB or AltDB. > > Which is not going to be useful forever ... see [1]: > > > Please note that 'route' and 'route6' objects created after 2023-Aug-15 > > in

Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

The only advantage is not being subject to an RIR contract and not paying annual fees. Especially with the fee structure games ARIN has been playing over the last decade or so. I made the mistake of bringing my legacy resources under ARIN LRSA contract once upon a time. I ended up transferring

Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 at 20:08, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > > You can get IRR from RADB or AltDB. Which is not going to be useful forever ... see [1]: > Please note that 'route' and 'route6' objects created after 2023-Aug-15 > in non-authoritative registries like RADB, NTTCOM, ALTDB won't be >

Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

You can get IRR from RADB or AltDB. Rubens Em seg., 20 de nov. de 2023, 16:00, Eric Dugas via NANOG escreveu: > Greetings! > > Let's say you inherit legacy assets (ASN & IPv4 netblock), what are the > first advantages that come to mind (beside not having to pay annual fees). > > Any

Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

Greetings! Let's say you inherit legacy assets (ASN & IPv4 netblock), what are the first advantages that come to mind (beside not having to pay annual fees). Any disadvantages? The ones I can think of is the lack of RIR routing security services (in the ARIN region at least). No IRR, no RPKI at