Yes
No.
On 9/28/20 8:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Are non-ISP-provided routers all that common anymore?
Aren't there enough IPv6-enabled operators with critical mass of IPv6
deployments that IPv4-only networks can be treated like the second-tier
citizens they are?
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Mike Hammett
There are many things going on with gaming that makes natted IPv4 an issue when
it comes to consoles and gaming in general. When you break it down it makes
sense.
-You have voice chat
-You are receiving data from servers about other people in the game
-You are sending data to servers about
Why stray away from how PC games were 20 years ago where there was a dedicated
server and clients just spoke to servers?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Justin Wilson (Lists)"
To:
Because it's not universally supported, poorly thought through, and no
backwards compatibility.
Is there a better option? NO, not at this time. But it certainly could
have been better thought through how it was implemented.
On 9/28/20 8:37 AM, Justin Wilson (Lists) wrote:
It is coming back
It is coming back to that, but you still have so much going on that you need
the open ports. I don’t gt why people fight IPV6 so much.
Justin Wilson
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> On Sep 28, 2020, at 8:34 AM, Mike
Many... but not all... and just because the operator is doesn't mean the
person you want to play with is. And just because the operator is
doesn't mean the router you or the other person is using supports it.
On 9/28/20 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Aren't most of the major operators using
Are non-ISP-provided routers all that common anymore?
Aren't there enough IPv6-enabled operators with critical mass of IPv6
deployments that IPv4-only networks can be treated like the second-tier
citizens they are?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet
Matt, that ship sailed long before you or I thought about building networks.
You can't change it at this point. Just embrace it.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Matt Hoppes"
To:
Aren't most of the major operators using IPv6?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Daniel Sterling"
To: "Mike Hammett"
Cc: "Matt Hoppes" , "North American Network
Operators' Group"
I’m still waiting for my ISP to turn on v6 so the consumers of my neighborhood
ISP can get v6 service.
Going to poke them again today actually.
- Jared
> On Sep 28, 2020, at 8:37 AM, Justin Wilson (Lists) wrote:
>
> It is coming back to that, but you still have so much going on that you need
What evidence is there that non-ISP-provided routers are prevalent? I don't
know anyone that doesn't have an IT power-user intervening that has their own
router. If something works without a separate router, most people aren't going
to go out of their way to get one.
I'm outside of Tampa (18th largest MSA in the US). The two providers
here, Spectrum (former Brighthouse area) and Frontier (bought out
Verizon's FIOS offering) are both IPv4 only (including on their SOHO/SMB
offerings).
Every time I've called in, I've asked if they are offering IPv6 yet.
For sure it isn't everywhere, but most of this is about critical mass. In North
America, is IPv6 available to the critical mass of end-users?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Jeremy
Yet (apparently) worse?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Tom Beecher"
To: "Mike Hammett"
Cc: "Justin Wilson (Lists)" , "North American Network
Operators' Group"
Sent: Monday,
>
> Why stray away from how PC games were 20 years ago where there was a
> dedicated server and clients just spoke to servers?
Much cheaper to just let all the game clients talk peer to peer than it is
to maintain regional dedicated server infrastructure.
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:35 AM Mike
Being employed by one of these elusive game hosting companies, I can tell you
that the dedicated server model is very much alive. And rather than the version
of 20 years ago where there was one central server in the world, they are now
deployed in a globally distributed manner.
Games ought to
The number of times when a decision is *both*
cheaper *and* better is miniscule compared to
when the decision is being made to optimize
one axis relative to the other. And in an industry
with narrow margins, most often that decision will
run squarely along the "cheaper" axis, at the expense
of
For certain styles of games or for games with crappy netcode, it can be.
For most others performance is perfectly acceptable in a peer to peer in
the vast majority of cases.
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:11 AM Mike Hammett wrote:
> Yet (apparently) worse?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>
On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 21:33:56 -0400, Daniel Sterling said:
> It is true that I've yet to see any FPS game use ipv6. I assume that's cuz
> they can't count on users having v6, so they have to support v4, and it
> wouldn't be worth their while to have their gaming host support dual-stack.
> just a
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:30 AM Jeremy Bresley wrote:
> I'm outside of Tampa (18th largest MSA in the US). The two providers
> here, Spectrum (former Brighthouse area) and Frontier (bought out Verizon's
> FIOS offering) are both IPv4 only (including on their SOHO/SMB offerings).
>
> So I'm
I setup an account with https://bgpmon.net/ for my AS and prefixes. I get
alerts to prefix withdrawals and changes. I'm not sure if its still totally
free or not since it looks like Cisco bought it.
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 8:54 AM Dmitry Sherman wrote:
> Hello guys,
>
> Can you recommend
Once upon a time, Valdis Klētnieks said:
> Does anybody have info from Microsoft or Sony on what their new consoles
> are doing regarding IPv6? My informant has moved on and is out of the loop
> regarding the PS5's software innards.
The Xbox One supports IPv6, and I believe it did so at launch 7
On 9/27/20 18:33, Daniel Sterling wrote:
It is true that I've yet to see any FPS game use ipv6. I assume that's
cuz they can't count on users having v6, so they have to support v4, and
it wouldn't be worth their while to have their gaming host support
dual-stack. just a guess there
Xbox
Delay, or “lag” in gamer parlance is everything. Have too much lag
and you are dead without realizing you are dead. Lag frustrates gamers
enormously and is probably one of the main drivers of NOC calls.
It seems to me that a purely client/server model will inherently have
more lag issues than
not just how it handles IPv4 - these things don't even do proper WiFi
- meaning no happy joy for lots of students on campus where 802.1X
wifi is provisioned
alan
>
> Delay, or “lag” in gamer parlance is everything. Have too much lag and you
> are dead without realizing you are dead. Lag frustrates gamers enormously
> and is probably one of the main drivers of NOC calls.
>
Lag is frequently abused by gamers as a crutch excuse for why they aren't
as
have folk looked at https://github.com/nttgin/BGPalerter
randy
Back in the day there was Cyclops...
https://cyclops.netsec.colostate.edu/
Not sure it's still a thing, doesn't look like it's been updated in a while.
On 9/27/2020 11:52 AM, Dmitry Sherman wrote:
Hello guys,
Can you recommend software or cloud based solution which monitors if a
prefix is
Correct - but with a server based model you can look at the lag to the
worst clients and add lag to the other clients so everyone has a level
playing field.
On 9/28/20 3:30 PM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:
Delay, or “lag” in gamer parlance is everything. Have too much lag and
you are dead
Most games do implement a "minimum latency" where no matter how low your
latency is, you'll always have at least 30ms or so (from what I've seen) to
keep things fair for MOST broadband internet connections.
So no, you cannot bring your laptop into the data center, [proverbially]
plug directly
...I'm guessing someone didn't read "Harrison Bergeron" in middle school,
then?
Crippling everyone down to the lowest common denominator is a wonderful
recipe for creating a service or platform that *nobody* wants to use.
If I connect through an AOL dialup account to an FPS gaming platform,
you
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