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--Heather
-Original Message-
From: William Herrin [mailto:b...@herrin.us]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 5:18 PM
To: Owen DeLong
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 2012, at 12
'; Andy Koch
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
I think the term critical is being used in different senses in this
discussion. Are people's lives critical? Yes, but the regulations for
wired and wireless infrastructure don't require service providers to expend
any
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
Even though we know it's technically possible, service providers aren't
going to overprovision power backup unless there is a business reason to do
so. Some state PUCs have minimum battery run times -- I'm sure service
My point is more along the line of if you're depending on a service which
provides only best-effort on uptime (as Bill Herrin mentioned, some providers
can barely manage 2 nines of 911 uptime) and to which you're connected by a
single, fault-prone connection, and which provides no guarantee of
On 8/5/12, Peter Kristolaitis alte...@alter3d.ca wrote:
My point is more along the line of if you're depending on a service which
provides only best-effort on uptime (as Bill Herrin mentioned, some
providers can barely manage 2 nines of 911 uptime) and to which you're
connected by a single,
Agreed. My point was that the police have the least of all emergency services
to do with protection of life and property and that a gun or a dog only helps
you with the functions that they can perform.
People depend on 911 for much more than just police and if you're trying to
come up with an
: Saturday, August 04, 2012 9:27 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
Residences aren't critical infrastructure, no matter how angry the owners
get.
911 access isn't a critical service? Fire and security panels aren't
critical services?
If basic life safety
willing, nay, able, to pay that price.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: William Herrin [mailto:b...@herrin.us]
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 11:15 PM
To: Andy Koch
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
snip
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 10:26 PM, Nathan Eisenberg
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
Would I like to have the same uptime
at my home as we have in the CO? or data center? Sure, but collectively we
aren't willing, nay, able, to pay that price.
We paid the price for 3-nines on the home comm service 20 years
On 8/5/12 9:19 PM, William Herrin wrote:
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
Would I like to have the same uptime
at my home as we have in the CO? or data center? Sure, but collectively we
aren't willing, nay, able, to pay that price.
We paid the price for
[mailto:frnk...@iname.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 7:41 PM
To: 'William Herrin'; Andy Koch
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
I think the term critical is being used in different senses in this
discussion. Are people's lives critical? Yes
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 11:52:53AM -1000, William Herrin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread
outage there's not enough portable generators to go around, and if there
were, not
Once upon a time, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com said:
A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread
outage there's not enough portable generators to go around, and if there
were, not enough people to set them and give them their fluids. And it
doesn't pay to put a
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 11:52:53AM -1000, William Herrin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread
outage there's not
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Besides, where do you think you're going to get gasoline in a
wide-spread extended power failure? Few gas stations have generators,
and even if they do, they'll sell out of gas quickly. That distribution
system also needs
On 4 August 2012 04:07, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
As someone else posted, many FTTH installations are centralized as much as
possible to avoid having non-passive equipment in the plant, allowing for
the practicality of onsite generators. That's what we do. But for those
who have
Once upon a time, William Herrin b...@herrin.us said:
I managed to get gasoline for my generator. I had to drive upwards of
5 miles and pass as many as 7 closed stations to get it. But it was
available and if I'd planned better with respect to containers to
carry it in I'd have had zero
On 8/4/12, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
long-haul fiber all stayed up. Most of the other problems were because
of the power failure (some local fiber rings dropped, especially one
CLEC's that puts their nodes in customer premises and were broken by
customers' power failures).
[snip]
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Well, in North Alabama in April 2011, we had to drive a lot more than 5
miles (unless you left a 0 off the end). Across the Tennessee state
line (a good bit north of it) they had power, but they quickly ran out
of gas (and
On 8/4/12 8:44 AM, Mike Jones wrote:
On 4 August 2012 04:07, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
As someone else posted, many FTTH installations are centralized as much as
possible to avoid having non-passive equipment in the plant, allowing for
the practicality of onsite generators. That's
...@herrin.us]
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 11:56 AM
To: Chris Adams; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
snip
Got news for these folks: if you have cable on the poles spidering in
to lots of homes and businesses you are a critical infrastructure
provider and you need
Residences aren't critical infrastructure, no matter how angry the owners get.
911 access isn't a critical service? Fire and security panels aren't critical
services?
If basic life safety and property protection aren't critical services, I'm not
sure what is. These are peoples' lives and
Considering that none of the services that can be dispatched by 911 are legally
required to help you in most North American jurisdictions (i.e. if you call
911 and the police don't respond until they finish eating their box of donuts,
they're not criminally or civilly liable), having working
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Andy Koch gawu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:56, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
100 miles isn't a serious logistics problem with 500 gallons of fuel
tank in the bed of a pickup truck. That buys you 8-12 hours for 100
fiber huts with $500
I've never met a dog properly trained in ACLS and I'm pretty sure that a gun
isn't even useful for BLS.
Owen
On Aug 4, 2012, at 7:53 PM, Peter Kristolaitis alte...@alter3d.ca wrote:
Considering that none of the services that can be dispatched by 911 are
legally required to help you in most
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Mike Jones m...@mikejones.in wrote:
If only they had some kind of copper cabling running from some kind of
central location [...] (poor power distribution
efficiency would probably stop you wanting to power it that way all
the time).
I imagine the problem
This is a fascinating thread!
I have had multiple class C address blocks assigned to us for many years (since
the 80's) I have 2 T1 connections and one of them is up for contract renewal. I
have wanted to replace one of the expensive T1s for a long time. DSL and Cable
are available here at
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Richard Miller rmil...@millerad.com wrote:
I am stumped.
Any ideas?
time to migrate to carriers that care about you and your business?
On 08/03/2012 10:31 AM, Richard Miller wrote:
--snip--
Perhaps I can route to a co-located server then a tunnel back to the server farm
over a static IP DSL or Cable link???
I am stumped.
Any ideas?
Rich
That would indeed be a solution to your problem. Have a cheap colo
somewhere. Have
Hi,
Yes the easier way to do it is have your subnet routed to someone
that is willing to colo your router, or provide your with something like
NHRP, and use a 87x on your brand new unnamed Cable/DSL provider to
create a NHRP tunnel for it.
We have many customers which required
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Alain Hebert aheb...@pubnix.net wrote:
Yes the easier way to do it is have your subnet routed to someone that
is willing to colo your router, or provide your with something like NHRP,
and use a 87x on your brand new unnamed Cable/DSL provider to create a
On 08/03/2012 11:44 AM, Richard Miller wrote:
Chris,
Been thinking about taking that route no pun intended. It just
moves the main link off-site. We've had these T1s for so long the
maintenance and ops have become second nature. Someone should be able to
route over a DSL/Cable/whatever link.
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Richard Miller rmil...@millerad.com wrote:
I am stumped.
Any ideas?
time to migrate to carriers that care about you and your business?
The tough part there is that Verizon is not required (as I understand it)
On 8/3/12 8:56 AM, William Herrin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Alain Hebert aheb...@pubnix.net wrote:
Yes the easier way to do it is have your subnet routed to someone that
is willing to colo your router, or provide your with something like NHRP,
and use a 87x on your brand new
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:
On 8/3/12 8:56 AM, William Herrin wrote:
It
seems the telcos and cable companies don't consider the commodity
Internet part of their equipment to be something which needs
electricity during an extended grid outage. Cox.
On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:31 , William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:
On 8/3/12 8:56 AM, William Herrin wrote:
It
seems the telcos and cable companies don't consider the commodity
Internet part of their equipment to be
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:31 , William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
Could be worse. I could have Pepco instead of Dominion. But it could
be better. And 20 years ago the reliability was.
20 years ago you didn't have a megabit to
rare instances where the battery does not suffice.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: William Herrin [mailto:b...@herrin.us]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:31 PM
To: Seth Mattinen
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Seth Mattinen
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:17 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:31 , William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
Could be worse. I could have Pepco instead of Dominion. But it could
be better. And 20 years
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread
outage there's not enough portable generators to go around, and if there
were, not enough people to set them and give them their fluids.
Doesn't take a
-Original Message-
From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnk...@iname.com]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 5:27 PM
To: 'William Herrin'
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread outage
there's not enough
On Aug 3, 2012, at 14:17 , William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:31 , William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
Could be worse. I could have Pepco instead of Dominion. But it could
be better. And 20 years ago
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 01:01:35PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
[snip]
If you're that concerned about calling 911 for a heat stroke, why don't
you maintain a POTS line?
Choices are great but carry responsibility and result in
consequences. Some folks don't like to hear that, or just
can't be
@nanog.org; Seth Mattinen
Subject: Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread
outage there's not enough portable generators to go around, and if there
were
:18 PM
To: William Herrin
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:19:16 -0400, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
Nope. I have FiOS and the 5 IPs. They are 5 IPs, in sequence, at a
completely arbitrary location in a /24 subnet.
...
Time Warner
Is that is needed, what is wrong with that ?
Isn't MPLS a form of encapsulation ? Don't the enterprise folks run routing
protocols on it ?
With carriers today it is very common to deliver L2 connectivity over L3
networks.
One does not have to like it...and just because someone else (upstream)
in the DSL world, when we were providing service using Bridge PVC's, it
was easier to allocate (as many needed) /32 to a customer CPE, than to
route a subnet.
This changed when the ATT/BellSouth infrastructure changed from being
able to get ATM PVC's to PPPoE only network.
Faisal Imtiaz
- Original Message -
From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
Is that is needed, what is wrong with that ?
Well, we just had FiOS Business 150/65 dropped this week, and my /27 isn't
even a /27; we're sharing a /24 with, presumably, a bunch of other customers.
Not sure how BGP would
I am not familiar with VZ's FIOS network...
however I suspect that if they are using a Redback at the Headend, it
would allow you to have a 'bridge' network with secure arp settings.
(it's a feature that we have seen on Redback's...)
Allows you to have a 'flat network' for all your subs, and
Yes, Dane is not only very smart but also a very sharp and savvy
business operator.. But I am also sure they are not doing this as a 'no
charge' offering for a 'resi' circuit.
Most competitive ISP's (such as Sonic and ourselves) a very flexible to
customer's needs and are willing to support
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:19:16 -0400, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
Nope. I have FiOS and the 5 IPs. They are 5 IPs, in sequence, at a
completely arbitrary location in a /24 subnet.
...
Time Warner (TWTC, not TWC) does the same thing... we have 8 addresses
from them... 131 - 138; it's a
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
Most competitive ISP's (such as Sonic and ourselves) a very flexible to
customer's needs and are willing to support custom configurations but .. it
has to make business sense...and the underlying infrastructure be able to
support that configuration.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Justin M. Streiner
strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote:
The point (and this goes back to my original post) was that VZ is missing
out on revenue (and customer service, but let's not get ahead of
ourselves...)
opportunities by not offering such a thing as an add-on
In defense of the tier 1's it's not as easy as it looks to run BGP with the
lower end business customers. On the technical side the edge boxes and
links to them would be as overloaded with routes and peers and all of the
other PE boxes in an ISP network. Not to mention the changes in routing
On 3/14/2012 3:32 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
Most competitive ISP's (such as Sonic and ourselves) a very flexible
to customer's needs and are willing to support custom configurations
but .. it has to make business sense...and the underlying
- Original Message -
From: William Herrin b...@herrin.us
Well... they brand it as a SOHO service and AFAICT they refuse to
install business fios anywhere zoned commercial.
I have Business FiOS in 2 rented commercial properties; business office
space.
Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R.
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
while this is reasonable, we all have to keep in mind, that you can I can
'toss' in route-reflectors for a few hundred to a few thousand dollars
each... Folks like VZ and ATT pay top dollars for top capacity equipment to
handle stuff.. so you are
Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net writes:
I am not familiar with VZ's FIOS network...
however I suspect that if they are using a Redback at the Headend, it
would allow you to have a 'bridge' network with secure arp
settings. (it's a feature that we have seen on Redback's...)
AFAIK Verizon
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote:
Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net writes:
I am not familiar with VZ's FIOS network...
however I suspect that if they are using a Redback at the Headend, it
would allow you to have a 'bridge' network with secure arp
Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com writes:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote:
Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net writes:
I am not familiar with VZ's FIOS network...
however I suspect that if they are using a Redback at the Headend, it
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote:
So it was _one_ of the drivers, but was it a more major driver than
for the love of God, not Redback!? :)
I think there were some significant issues with the redback of the
time, but ... near as I recall a
On 3/14/2012 9:00 PM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
Christopher Morrowmorrowc.li...@gmail.com writes:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Robert E. Seastromr...@seastrom.com wrote:
Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net writes:
I am not familiar with VZ's FIOS network...
however I suspect that if
I will just say no on all parts of this current part of the conversation and
leave it at that.
- j
Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote:
On 3/14/2012 9:00 PM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
Christopher Morrowmorrowc.li...@gmail.com writes:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Robert E.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Justin M. Streiner
strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote:
I realize this might be a bit of a fool's errand, but I'm trying to
determine if Verizon will speak BGP with FiOS business customers. Their
website is relatively lean on details. Everything that mentions BGP
Haha true that. How else would.they.push their atm and.Ethernet products.
chris
On Mar 13, 2012 7:04 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Justin M. Streiner
strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote:
I realize this might be a bit of a fool's errand, but I'm trying to
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:09 PM, chris tknch...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 13, 2012 7:04 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Justin M. Streiner
strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote:
I realize this might be a bit of a fool's errand, but I'm trying to
determine if
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, William Herrin wrote:
A cost I could live with. It's the fact that they won't sell me BGP
service in the FiOS product line *at all* that makes me pine for the
days of FCC mandated unbundling.
Having the same problem with Comcast, even on there business Cable
service they
Comcast same deal ethernet only
chris
On Mar 13, 2012 7:42 PM, Nathan Stratton nat...@robotics.net wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, William Herrin wrote:
A cost I could live with. It's the fact that they won't sell me BGP
service in the FiOS product line *at all* that makes me pine for the
days
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, chris wrote:
Comcast same deal ethernet only
Yep, I got a quote for that, 7K a month yet I can get 100 meg on a gig
circuit for $400 bucks from them in a datacenter. Oh, and the 7K is NOT to
cover build out, did I forget to mention that node for my area is in MY
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Justin M. Streiner
strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote:
All:
I realize this might be a bit of a fool's errand, but I'm trying to
determine if Verizon will speak BGP with FiOS business customers. Their
website is relatively lean on details. Everything that mentions
So I have to ask you the big question...
Why do you want to do BGP with Comcast or Verizon ? (Over FIOS or Cable ?)
Is the intent to Peer with their network ? (which they will rightfully
only allow on bigger fatter connections)..
or
Are you trying to delivery your IP's to a End Customer
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:
So I have to ask you the big question...
Why do you want to do BGP with Comcast or Verizon ? (Over FIOS or Cable ?)
Is the intent to Peer with their network ? (which they will rightfully only
allow on bigger fatter
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
Why do you want to do BGP with Comcast or Verizon ? (Over FIOS or Cable ?)
To gain redundancy for a consulting client.
Is the intent to Peer with their network ? (which they will rightfully only
allow on bigger fatter connections)..
I think you
Peering is generally for a comercial endevor to my understandind fios
is a residential service so which are you trying to accomplish
Sent from my iPhone
On 2012-03-13, at 7:32 PM, Christopher Morrow
morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, Christopher Morrow wrote:
A) DHCP only, single address, dynamic
B) Single Static address (uplift of 25$/month I believe?)
I think that might be $40/mo now, but I could be mistaken.
Also, I know that on 701 the rate of BGP to non-BGP customers was
increasing and was at
4 of the 6 downstreams are multihomed. Only 40321 (Emigrant Bank) and 18762
(Dominick Dominick LLC) are single homed to 19262 (Verizon Online LLC).
-Grant
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, Christopher Morrow wrote:
A)
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Grant Ridder shortdudey...@gmail.com wrote:
4 of the 6 downstreams are multihomed. Only 40321 (Emigrant Bank)
and 18762 (Dominick Dominick LLC) are single homed to 19262 (Verizon
Online LLC).
yup... vz had for quite some time actual 'network' customers behind
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Mark Gauvin mgau...@dryden.ca wrote:
Peering is generally for a comercial endevor to my understandind fios
is a residential service so which are you trying to accomplish
'peering' really is a loaded term...
'settlement free peering' ?
'bgp peering' ?
there
What is the SLA for FIOS? I believe that FIOS uses either PON or GPON
technology where a single data wavelength is split up to 32 times resulting
in a shared pipe back to the CO. Does Verizon offer any SLA at all for FIOS?
On the other hand Verizon Wireless offers BGP peering for business
Sorry, by saying Peering I mean any kind of direct peering..
As to the other reason for running BGP, there are technical solutions to
get around this 'lack of cooperation'.
Personally speaking, asking for BGP peering on a 'resi' grade service is
like going to McDonalds, and asking for a
C) 5 ips STATICALLY ROUTED AS /32's!! (WTF??) for 25$ above the
option-B above/month.
And people wonder why Verizon is the first to whine about routing table growth
from deaggregation? ;-)
In all seriousness, though, I don't think they are routed as /32s. I think
that's one for the
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
C) 5 ips STATICALLY ROUTED AS /32's!! (WTF??) for 25$ above the
option-B above/month.
And people wonder why Verizon is the first to whine about routing table
growth from deaggregation? ;-)
eh, these end up (I think)
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
C) 5 ips STATICALLY ROUTED AS /32's!! (WTF??) for 25$ above the
option-B above/month.
And people wonder why Verizon is the first to whine about routing table
growth from deaggregation? ;-)
In all seriousness, though, I
One possible avenue is put a router/computer in a colo and build a GRE
tunnel over your FiOS connection to the data center, and then peer with
folk there.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:strei...@cluebyfour.org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:27 PM
To:
next lets encapsulate bgp over http next so we can run bgp at wifi hotspots
:)
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
One possible avenue is put a router/computer in a colo and build a GRE
tunnel over your FiOS connection to the data center, and then peer with
On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:57 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
C) 5 ips STATICALLY ROUTED AS /32's!! (WTF??) for 25$ above the
option-B above/month.
And people wonder why Verizon is the first to whine about routing table
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
Interesting. I guess to each their own.
Many other providers I know are selling 5 IP packages done the other way.
many providers are not crazy yes I agree.
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