Well now. Being scared is part of the insight :-)
And until I see a No!!! Don't do it!! post...
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:10 AM Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
This has all been a very huge help, and I am thankful for all the
insights and reading material. I feel expert already!
then you
This has all been a very huge help, and I am thankful for all the
insights and reading material. I feel expert already!
then you should be very scared
randy, who has been doing it for years and knows he is a weenie
Stephen Satchell l...@satchell.net writes:
... They just couldn't believe that 300 people could max out their system
...
Last year, the group AVERAGED four devices each.
A *camping* event that I go to, that is by and large not a
technology-oriented consituency, averaged 2.6 devices per
On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:28 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clients
picking channels sequentially vs by signal strength. There may have
been other issues but when all devices use 149 because that's the
first they can and they
No wonder IPv4 is depleted. People's shoes have a MAC address nowadays...
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Rob Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote:
Stephen Satchell l...@satchell.net writes:
... They just couldn't believe that 300 people could max out their system
...
Last year, the group
And Aruba also did a kick-ass wireless installation at the new Levi's
Stadium in Santa Clara. Here is a White Paper on it:
http://arubanetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/stadiumRFfund.pdf
-Mike
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 10:51 AM, John Todd jt...@loligo.com wrote:
On 20 Jun 2015, at 9:37, Sina
This has all been a very huge help, and I am thankful for all the insights
and reading material. I fee expert already!
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 6:14 AM Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
They also have an awesome DAS installation there as well.
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Mel Beckman
I recently visited that installation. It's quite impressive and we are
employing the down-low AP placement strategy on another high density project.
The scheme uses human RF attenuation to enable closer AP spacing, which in turn
supports a higher channel re-use ratio.
-mel beckman
On Jun
They also have an awesome DAS installation there as well.
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Mel Beckman m...@beckman.org wrote:
I recently visited that installation. It's quite impressive and we are
employing the down-low AP placement strategy on another high density
project. The scheme uses
On 20 Jun 2015, at 9:37, Sina Owolabi wrote:
I'd be grateful for any information on how to calculate for large
scale
wifi deployment
[snip]
While it is vendor specific (and therefore subject to certain biases)
I’ve found the Aruba VRD (Validated Reference Design) documentation
fairly
: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?
To: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group nanog@nanog.org
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 08:20:33 +0900
...
having been in the back seat for many deployments over the years with
all sorts of kit, i have
? Eager readers want to know. :)
what was unclear about the following?
+1
Randy Bush wrote:
From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com
Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
setup?
To: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
What gear was used at the last NANOG in SF? Was it indeed Xirrus?
yes. but i would not blame the gear
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 12:05 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
What gear was used at the last NANOG in SF? Was it indeed Xirrus?
yes. but i would not blame the gear
I would blame some of the gear. Very bad bufferbloat (up to 1.5 sec of
latency) on the download direction.
was unclear about the following?
Randy Bush wrote:
From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com
Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
setup?
To: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group nanog@nanog.org
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 08:20:33 +0900
Soultimately, what's the answer? A huge number of low cost, low
power WAPs? Eager readers want to know. :)
On Jun 20, 2015 10:30 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clients
picking channels sequentially vs by signal
Soultimately, what's the answer? A huge number of low cost, low
power WAPs? Eager readers want to know. :)
what was unclear about the following?
Randy Bush wrote:
From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com
Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?
To: Mike
...@psg.com
Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
setup?
To: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group nanog@nanog.org
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 08:20:33 +0900
...
having been in the back seat for many deployments over
What you need is more APs running at lower poer levels to cover
smaller areas, spread out around the room.
lots of other trix. some of which i have seen are
o pull the asians off on to one or more channel 14 aps (but that's
old 11b days).
o set the aps low so the wetware attenuates
On 06/20/2015 11:56 PM, Mike Lyon wrote:
Waaay to many variables to answer the question. Each deployment is
different and requires proper engineering and experience...
And a good description of the problem, too, as I learned the hard way
trying to work with the IT people for a Ruckus
*Subject: *Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless
network
setup?
Uhm he's not wrong...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 19, 2015 9:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
PM
*Subject: *Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
setup?
Uhm he's not wrong...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 19, 2015 9:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
wrote
Soucy r...@maine.edu
*Sent: *Friday, June 19, 2015 9:16:37 PM
*Subject: *Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless
network
setup?
Uhm he's not wrong...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy
--
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*To: *Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
*Cc: *NANOG list nanog@nanog.org, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu
*Sent: *Friday, June 19, 2015 9:16:37 PM
*Subject: *Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
setup?
Uhm
nanog@nanog.org, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu
*Sent: *Friday, June 19, 2015 9:16:37 PM
*Subject: *Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless
network
setup?
Uhm he's not wrong...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH
--
*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
*Cc: *NANOG list nanog@nanog.org, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu
*Sent: *Friday, June 19, 2015 9:16:37 PM
*Subject: *Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless
network
setup
At 10:41 20/06/2015 +, Sina Owolabi wrote:
http://www.extricom.com/ specializes in hi-density Wifi.
See:
http://www.extricom.com/category/large-venues
http://www.extricom.com/category/Event_Installations
-Hank
Thanks everybody. I've been corrected on density... I've been informed that
for a high-density Wireless network setup?
On Jun 20, 2015, at 7:27 PM, James Hartig jameshar...@gmail.com wrote:
The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they don't
support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits for 5 GHz.
The UniFi UAP-AC unit has not been
Ive used Xirrus for a few festivals and hack-a-thons and they worked great.
Ive also used UBNT UniFi with great success at numerous events, mainly at
the old SF Mint (completely made out of Granite and concrete) and RF
penetration was awesome.
Cisco is nothing to write home about and is over
I've never run Xirrus personally, but I think they were used for the
last NANOG conference.
and how did that work out? [ though i do not know it was the xirrus
units ]
randy
Ive also used UBNT UniFi with great success at numerous events, mainly
at the old SF Mint (completely made out of Granite and concrete) and
RF penetration was awesome.
'fess up. it worked because of bluebottle next door
randy
Ive used Xirrus for a few festivals and hack-a-thons and they worked great.
Ive also used UBNT UniFi with great success at numerous events, mainly at
the old SF Mint (completely made out of Granite and concrete) and RF
penetration was awesome.
Cisco is nothing to write home about and is
The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they don't
support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits for 5 GHz.
The UniFi UAP-AC unit has not been cleared for DFS but looks like the UAP
Outdoor has. I own a few UAP-AC v2's and I can confirm with the latest
On Jun 20, 2015, at 7:27 PM, James Hartig jameshar...@gmail.com wrote:
The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they don't
support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits for 5 GHz.
The UniFi UAP-AC unit has not been cleared for DFS but looks like the UAP
I've actually never made it out to a NANOG conference, so I'm not sure. I
was just told this by peers who attended.
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
I've never run Xirrus personally, but I think they were used for the
last NANOG conference.
and how did that
On Jun 20, 2015, at 5:31 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
I've never run Xirrus personally, but I think they were used for the
last NANOG conference.
and how did that work out? [ though i do not know it was the xirrus
units ]
My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues
On 6/20/2015 11:32 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clients
picking channels sequentially vs by signal strength. There may have
been other issues but when all devices use 149 because that's the
first they can and they get link that's not good.
My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clients
picking channels sequentially vs by signal strength. There may have
been other issues but when all devices use 149 because that's the
first they can and they get link that's not good.
we're lucky those mean vicious bad
My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clients
picking channels sequentially vs by signal strength. There may have
been other issues but when all devices use 149 because that's the
first they can and they get link that's not good.
If people know of tricks to solve
I know you don't want to hear this answer because of cost but I've had good
luck with Cisco for very high density (about 1,000 clients in a packed
auditorium actively using the network as they follow along with the
presenter).
The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they don't
I know you don't want to hear this answer because of cost but I've had
good luck with Cisco for very high density (about 1,000 clients in a
packed auditorium actively using the network as they follow along with
the presenter).
the ietf is repeatedly successful with cisco kit at well over
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From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu
To: Sina Owolabi notify.s...@gmail.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org list nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:07:01 PM
Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?
I know you don't want to hear this answer
fai...@snappytelecom.net
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*Sent: *Friday, June 19, 2015 9:16:37 PM
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setup?
Uhm he's not wrong...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100
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Cc: nanog@nanog.org list nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:07:01 PM
Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
setup?
I know you don't want to hear this answer because of cost but I've had
good
luck with Cisco for very high
@nanog.org list nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:07:01 PM
Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
setup?
I know you don't want to hear this answer because of cost but I've had
good
luck with Cisco for very high density (about 1,000 clients
: NANOG list nanog@nanog.org , Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 9:16:37 PM
Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
setup?
Uhm he's not wrong...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Sina Owolabi notify.s...@gmail.com wrote:
We are profiling equipment and design for an expected high user density
network of multiple, close nit, residential/hostel units. Its going to be
8-10 buildings with possibly a over 1000 users at any given time.
Hi
Thanks! Everything is still in planning stage, though. Management is
leaning toward Ruckus.
Can I get suggestions for authentication and billing systems for wireless
users too?
Thanks for all the wisdom so far
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM Bartek Krawczyk bbartlomiej.m...@gmail.com
wrote:
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From: Tyler Mills tylermi...@gmail.com
To: Sina Owolabi notify.s...@gmail.com, nanog@nanog.org list
nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 2:24:00 AM
Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?
With that many users I cannot recommend Ubiquiti
I've got really great experience with Aruba. Don't know if it fits
your budged, though.
Rebards,
On 19 June 2015 at 08:24, Tyler Mills tylermi...@gmail.com wrote:
With that many users I cannot recommend Ubiquiti, Ruckus would be the way
to go.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:58 AM Sina Owolabi
With that many users I cannot recommend Ubiquiti, Ruckus would be the way
to go.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:58 AM Sina Owolabi notify.s...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
We are profiling equipment and design for an expected high user density
network of multiple, close nit, residential/hostel units. Its
...@gmail.com, nanog@nanog.org list
nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 2:24:00 AM
Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
setup?
With that many users I cannot recommend Ubiquiti, Ruckus would be the way
to go.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:58 AM Sina
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