[neonixie-l] Re: Testing a 74141

2023-09-28 Thread Craig Garnett
Yes VCC on 5 and ground on 12 does seem a bit odd. I am in the UK but I need two of them. I'm toying with the idea of getting two from Cricklewood Electronics or using 4028's and MPSA42's which seems like a better idea but it means finding space for 20 transistors on the board. On Thursday, 28

[neonixie-l] Re: Testing a 74141

2023-09-28 Thread Nick Sargeant
I think I'd agree. I've used the Russian K155ID1 drivers from eBay which seem to work OK (after finding out the first Eagle library I used had the power supply pins swapped so VCC was on pin 12 - reminded me to check new library symbols every time now) but it's clearly been a long time, since

[neonixie-l] Re: Testing a 74141

2023-09-28 Thread Craig Garnett
That didn't work either, I think I've been sold a duff one. Craig On Wednesday, 27 September 2023 at 14:30:22 UTC+1 Craig Garnett wrote: > Thanks Nick, I'll try that. > Back in my day I mostly used 4000 CMOS, I didn't do much with TTL. > > On Wednesday, 27 September 2023 at 11:23:17 UTC+1 Nick

[neonixie-l] Re: Testing a 74141

2023-09-27 Thread Craig Garnett
Thanks Nick, I'll try that. Back in my day I mostly used 4000 CMOS, I didn't do much with TTL. On Wednesday, 27 September 2023 at 11:23:17 UTC+1 Nick Sargeant wrote: > I'd agree with the above. To make sure you are avoiding any indeterminate > states, pull all of the inputs up to +5v with a

[neonixie-l] Re: Testing a 74141

2023-09-27 Thread Nick Sargeant
I'd agree with the above. To make sure you are avoiding any indeterminate states, pull all of the inputs up to +5v with a resistor of about 2k2 to 4k7. Then, for the inputs you want low, jumper those inputs to ground. The pull-up resistors will mean you get a good solid '1' without the jumper,

[neonixie-l] Re: Testing a 74141

2023-09-27 Thread Craig Garnett
I tried those suggestions and nothing changed, there's around 4ma total through the LEDs now so it shouldn't be in meltdown mode. On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 17:45:06 UTC+1 Craig Garnett wrote: > Thanks, > I'll give those suggestions a go. > > On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 16:05:17

[neonixie-l] Re: Testing a 74141

2023-09-26 Thread Craig Garnett
Thanks, I'll give those suggestions a go. On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 16:05:17 UTC+1 gregebert wrote: > 74xx TTL devices have a rather high input-low current, on the order of > 1mA, so you should use a much smaller pulldown resistor, say 100 ohms, or > perhaps none at all. Logically, it

[neonixie-l] Re: Testing a 74141

2023-09-26 Thread gregebert
74xx TTL devices have a rather high input-low current, on the order of 1mA, so you should use a much smaller pulldown resistor, say 100 ohms, or perhaps none at all. Logically, it should not be possible for more than 1 output to get driven low on the 7441, but that only applies if all