Re: [neonixie-l] Ceramic output capacitors on MAX1771 converter?

2022-05-20 Thread 'Ian Vine' via neonixie-l
Thanks Martin Very detailed. Much appreciated. Ian > On 20 May 2022, at 19:00, Dekatron42 wrote: > >  > If I remember correctly my colleagues spoke about the normal capacitor > reforming by applying voltage to them after long storage (1-2years or more in > storage) and also the

Re: [neonixie-l] Ceramic output capacitors on MAX1771 converter?

2022-05-20 Thread Dekatron42
If I remember correctly my colleagues spoke about the normal capacitor reforming by applying voltage to them after long storage (1-2years or more in storage) and also the "resetting" that they are subjected to when soldering: https://ec.kemet.com/blog/mlcc-dielectric-differences/ " Ceramic

Re: [neonixie-l] Ceramic output capacitors on MAX1771 converter?

2022-05-19 Thread 'Ian Vine' via neonixie-l
Could someone explain what the reforming involves ? Thanks Ian > On 20 May 2022, at 06:12, SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F. > wrote: > > I've used a MAX1771 with ceramic capacitors a while ago for a > pandicon-circuit and a smaller nixie project. Both consume less than > 15mA@170V. Not sure how

Re: [neonixie-l] Ceramic output capacitors on MAX1771 converter?

2022-05-19 Thread SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F.
I've used a MAX1771 with ceramic capacitors a while ago for a pandicon-circuit and a smaller nixie project. Both consume less than 15mA@170V. Not sure how the circuit would behave at more current. On Thursday, 19 May 2022 at 20:03:18 UTC+2 Dekatron42 wrote: > A few other things that I

Re: [neonixie-l] Ceramic output capacitors on MAX1771 converter?

2022-05-19 Thread Dekatron42
A few other things that I experienced at my previous employer was that larger (sizewise) MLCC capacitors easily developed cracks, came loose from the circuit board and also needed reforming after storage. /Martin On Thursday, 19 May 2022 at 05:01:25 UTC+2 mo...@neonixie.com wrote: > Roger, >

Re: [neonixie-l] Ceramic output capacitors on MAX1771 converter?

2022-05-18 Thread Moses
Roger, Yes. Looks like the common dielectrics (X7T, X7R) available in the 250v 1-3uf range suffer from a 30-80% reduction in capacitance at 180v. I hadn't realized it was that high. Thank you, I'll look at the polymer caps. It's my last remaining electrolytic on my board and if possible I

Re: [neonixie-l] Ceramic output capacitors on MAX1771 converter?

2022-05-18 Thread Moses
Thank you. Yes, I almost forgot about the DC bias voltage :( https://passive-components.eu/dc-and-ac-bias-dependence-of-mlcc-capacitors-including-temperature-dependence/ You are right, most of the ceramic caps I was looking at don't publish any data on decrease due to DC bias. I may try it

Re: [neonixie-l] Ceramic output capacitors on MAX1771 converter?

2022-05-18 Thread Roger Brinkman
Hi Moses, What David writes below about the capacitance reduction of ceramic capacitors is correct. I have experienced success using polymer aluminium electrolytics (solid electrolyte) to replace conventional low-ESR electrolytic capacitors that regularly fail in similar applications. You

Re: [neonixie-l] Ceramic output capacitors on MAX1771 converter?

2022-05-18 Thread David Forbes
I haven't tried it, but I can make some observations. The MAX1771 isn't connected directly to the output circuit, so it's not likely to suffer from a problem. The current flows through the inductor which will accommodate a momentary short circuit caused by the capacitor. In short, it shouldn't be