[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread dr pepper
They still put mercury in glass envelopes, there are several hundred here where I work. In the light fittings, 2 types high pressure and low pressure mercury. and HID and metal halide. Mercury is also present in reasonable quantity in fluorescent tubes, of which there are millions all around us.

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!

2012-02-09 Thread jb-electronics
Hi, personally I think that the IN-18 Blue Dream and the Sven Nixie clocks cannot be compared, for several reasons: First, you already mentioned the IN-18 tubes, they are much more costy. But this also poses a technological problem: While it is rather easy to supply 12mA = 6 * 2mA for IN-14

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread jb-electronics
During my Nixie tube project mercury will be a good solution for prolonging the tubes' lives. When I merely mentioned the possibility while talking to our facility manager, he wouldn't want to listen to me anymore, and I had to assure that I would not tinker with mercury in their rooms...

[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread marcin
Personally I think that the whole mercury craziness is plain stupid. But well, people were made to believe that some plants are evil. What if you tried to do it as The Ancient Nixie Makers would do: Use a tiny mercury giver tube. Maybe it would be possible to find them in the 'former USSR'? Or

[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread marcin
You mean that if they were 1mx1mx1m with 1m3 of mercury it would be fine? World is weirder than I thought... I would just use them not telling anybody what's in those tiny, tiny tubes. Or tell them it's getter. Then you crack those tubes open in some other location. And you are not exposing

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread jb-electronics
Sure, 1m^3 would be fine ;-) Don't worry, in that case other rules will kick in... Jens You mean that if they were 1mx1mx1m with 1m3 of mercury it would be fine? World is weirder than I thought... I would just use them not telling anybody what's in those tiny, tiny tubes. Or tell them it's

[neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!

2012-02-09 Thread Lucky
I think it's a great clock stuffed full of features and would really like one but I too think it is on the expensive side. 179 Euro (inc tax I'm in the UK) just for the board kit + you have to buy the needed transformer @24 Euro + the colons @19 Euro separately! Surely a critical part

[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Lucky
So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling Hate to admit it, I was one of those boys. I was 'hero' of the class for a short term when I showed them that trick lol, our class was banned from having

[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Nick
On Feb 9, 1:05 pm, Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com wrote: So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling Hate to admit it, I was one of those boys. I was 'hero' of the class for a short term when I

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Nicholas Stock
Nick, we used to do the same with the trainssmall pennies or pieces of granite from the sidings...fun times. As a practicing chemist, I understand the hazards with dealing with toxic substances, but some of this has got out of hand. Mercury salts are the ones to truly be worried about, and

[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Nick
On Feb 9, 4:02 pm, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, we used to do the same with the trainssmall pennies or pieces of granite from the sidings...fun times. As a practicing chemist, I understand the hazards with dealing with toxic substances, but some of this has got out of

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Adam Jacobs
That's what I was thinking, it was my understanding that elemental mercury is not all _that_ readily absorbable by the body. The kind that you need to worry about is the sort that has already been absorbed by a body (like a fish) and so is in a form that your body will happily accept.. and

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!

2012-02-09 Thread Dieter Waechter
OK, you are right, it's a matter of taste. Dieter I'd have to disagree with you there Dieter, nothing wrong with acrylic cases for IN-18 clocks.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to

[neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!

2012-02-09 Thread Jeff Thomas
On Feb 9, 11:22 am, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd have to disagree with you there Dieter, nothing wrong with acrylic cases for IN-18 clocks.. http://www.pvelectronics.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath... It wasn't cheap or easy to do either;-) Nick On Thu,

[neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!

2012-02-09 Thread Jeff Thomas
On Feb 9, 11:22 am, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd have to disagree with you there Dieter, nothing wrong with acrylic cases for IN-18 clocks.. http://www.pvelectronics.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath... It wasn't cheap or easy to do either;-) Nick On Thu,

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!

2012-02-09 Thread Nicholas Stock
Well, it is all a matter of taste...the pictures don't do it justice as the base is milled from a 1/2 inch block and the case rests over the base with nice cut outs on the back for the buttons and leads etc...but hey, it's not to everyone's tastes... ;-) Nick On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM,

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!

2012-02-09 Thread Nicholas Stock
You're not much of a fan of Hi-Fi Jeff? ;-) On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Jeff Thomas nixich...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 9, 11:22 am, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd have to disagree with you there Dieter, nothing wrong with acrylic cases for IN-18 clocks..

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!

2012-02-09 Thread Dieter Waechter
Thanks for your words, Jeff. All of us in out little Nixie family inspire each other. Dieter Although I concurr that Dieters work is pricey amongst the herd, he's shown the best packaging ingenuity of the lot. Spanning the market evolution since '04. In spite of that high cost, he obviously

[neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!

2012-02-09 Thread Jeff Thomas
On Feb 9, 12:10 pm, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: You're not much of a fan of Hi-Fi Jeff? ;-) Dang, you caught me... We recently replaced the Symphonic brand AM/FM receiver, clad in the finest Asian hardwood, with simulated woodgrain vinyl veneer. :)) Seriously though, it's hard

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread chuck richards
Yeah, same here. I too used to play with mercury when I was a kid. Oh sure, yes, it would be harmful if you poured it out into a big pan and heated it on the stove and stuck your head in the pan to inhale the vapor. But, just normal everyday handling? I think people are freaking out about

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Michail1
That explains a lot about you Chuck. JK. I remember when I was a kid (much like now), I used to work at Radio Shack. I remember the mercury filled switches being sold. Strangely, the same as the switches in your old house thermostat. I thought they were very cool because you also saw

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Adam Jacobs
There is no way he'll get anywhere with this in court. I think that his legal representation is counting on the small time electronics dealers to settle out of court to avoid the legal costs. It's sad, the threat of suing someone in this country is almost like extortion to most people. -Adam

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Bill van Dijk
Just curious, does someone know how mercury is mined? I still have a number of mercury switches, they used to be common on washing machine doors, car hoods, heating thermostats and car trunk lids and a number of other common places. The stuff never affected me either. So, what were we

[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Cobra007
The thing that cannot be denied is that he was diagnosed with mercury poisoning (see 37), so the question remains where did that come from? If it wasn't from the tubes, what was it then? Michel On Feb 10, 7:06 am, chuck richards chuc...@all2easy.net wrote: Yeah, same here.   I too used to

[neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!

2012-02-09 Thread Cobra007
It has become apparent to me that you can not judge someone else's design on your own taste. I think the features of the clock are superior and there is probably nothing wrong with the electronic design either. Just a thought, why didn't you incorporate an ambient light sensor to automatically dim

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie spots:)

2012-02-09 Thread kay486
Whoah, i just found this by searching for the ZM1041S on google and found this! Its so awesome especialy the PWL On Dec 14 2011, 12:25 am, Aleksander Zawada onet aleksander_zaw...@poczta.onet.pl wrote: Hi everybody, After long break, I can show you two nixies from PWL laboratory- mp4 files.

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Dan Hollis
diagnosed by who? -Dan On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Cobra007 wrote: The thing that cannot be denied is that he was diagnosed with mercury poisoning (see 37), so the question remains where did that come from? If it wasn't from the tubes, what was it then? Michel On Feb 10, 7:06 am, chuck richards

[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Cobra007
Well, that is a good question, I just assumed it would have been a professional medical examiner, but yeah, maybe it was his drunk grandmother, who knows? Michel On Feb 10, 9:46 am, Dan Hollis parkxz9aw...@anime.net wrote: diagnosed by who? -Dan On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Cobra007 wrote:

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Adam Jacobs
Exactly. I would assume that would be a cornerstone of the case, so you'd want to make sure that the diagnosis was infallible. I haven't read through all of the petition to see if there is any mention of this fact but I assume that it is pretty devoid of evidence. -Adam On 2/9/2012 2:53 PM,

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Dan Hollis
There are a lot of quacks out there who will give you a diagnosis of anything. So the question is if the mercury poisoning diagnosis was from a reliable source or not. -Dan On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Adam Jacobs wrote: Exactly. I would assume that would be a cornerstone of the case, so you'd want

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Instrument Resources of America
Too much canned tuna fish!!Ira On 2/9/2012 2:46 PM, Dan Hollis wrote: diagnosed by who? -Dan On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Cobra007 wrote: The thing that cannot be denied is that he was diagnosed with mercury poisoning (see 37), so the question remains where did that come from? If it wasn't

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Charles MacDonald
On 12-02-09 11:02 AM, Nicholas Stock wrote: We used benzene at school, made aspirin on the bench, threw lumps of sodium in water (with one classroom evacuation as a result...got a bit frisky that one...)I imagine /none/ of that would be allowed these days Grade 9, about 1968, the

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Instrument Resources of America
You would think that his attorney would have picked someone to make the diagnosis, whose credentials are impeccable, lest the defense attorneys will chew him and hid diagnosis up and spit him out in teeny, tiny, little pieces. Ira On 2/9/2012 2:53 PM, Cobra007 wrote: Well, that is a good

[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Cobra007
Nice one Lucky. A couple of years we visited Old Mogo Town http://www.oldmogotown.com.au/ The gold was extracted from the rocks exactly how you describe it. I also raised the question there about the mercury used. According to the guide, they did know at that time already that mercury wasn't good

[neonixie-l] Mercury - couple pics

2012-02-09 Thread Michail1
Some pictures of the little mercury I have. For some reason, I never thought that it would NOT be magnetic. Amazing how a penny and quarter will stand on end. (pic 904) Both float on the surface. If you push them to the bottom, they will stay. I should probably clean it up (lots of foreign

[neonixie-l] Re: Mercury - couple pics

2012-02-09 Thread Cobra007
Cool stuff! A video would have been better ;-) I actually never thought that it would be magnetic, don't really know why but apparently it was correct :-). Michel On Feb 10, 1:31 pm, micha...@aol.com wrote: Some pictures of the little mercury I have. For some reason, I never thought that

[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...

2012-02-09 Thread Lucky
Visited a place just like that but in Victoria in the 70's, remember we went panning for opals, I found one and has a ring made from it and gave it to a girlfriend. Good ol days lol.(Back over in march for 6 weeks, Perth and Brisbane) Back on topic I wonder if any of those workers suffered ill

[neonixie-l] Re: Mercury - couple pics

2012-02-09 Thread Imbanon
Now that is interesting! And yeah, a video would be nice :) Where did you get that mercury? On Feb 10, 3:44 am, Cobra007 mic...@xiac.com wrote: Cool stuff! A video would have been better ;-) I actually never thought that it would be magnetic, don't really know why but apparently it was

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Mercury - couple pics

2012-02-09 Thread Michail1
I was gonna take some video, but seems like a LOT of people already have done that on youtube. Any suggestions? Umm, I heard it was used in mining (gold), so I went to a jeweler and asked if he had any. He asked how much? I said a small jar. He sold me that jar for $20. I was

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!

2012-02-09 Thread John Rehwinkel
I just came across this one Jens, you might be interested in it. A very tiny and cheap 180V power supply delivering 64mA. You could drive 10 of these IN-18 tubes. Those are rock solid supplies, too. Our own jt makes them. As far as I'm concerned, they're unbeatable for the size and price.

[neonixie-l] Burned K155ID1 chips?

2012-02-09 Thread Imbanon
Hey all Got a bit of a problem over here. Since I've got my atmegas, I've started repairing my breadboarded circuit. Protected my fresh chip, checked for any possible shorts, and fired the damned thing. The results were odd. Some of the nixies lit up showing number 7, instead of the real time. I

Re: [neonixie-l] Mercury - couple pics

2012-02-09 Thread John Rehwinkel
Theo Gray dug up a copy of that wonderful old National Geographic picture of a man sitting ON a pool of mercury. Scroll down a fair bit to see it: http://periodictable.com/Elements/080/index.html - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l

Re: [neonixie-l] Mercury - couple pics

2012-02-09 Thread Instrument Resources of America
As far as cleaning your mercury, I vaguely recall something about straining/filtering it through a piece of material like thin cowhide, or chamois. Verify that I'm correct before trying it. Ira. On 2/9/2012 6:31 PM, micha...@aol.com wrote: Some pictures of the little mercury I have. For

Re: [neonixie-l] Mercury - couple pics

2012-02-09 Thread John Rehwinkel
As far as cleaning your mercury, I vaguely recall something about straining/filtering it through a piece of material like thin cowhide, or chamois. Verify that I'm correct before trying it. Ira. On the same mercury page I just mentioned*, it states: This picture is out of date: I've

[neonixie-l] Re: Mercury - couple pics

2012-02-09 Thread Cobra007
I just uploaded a video that I recorded in 2009 in Old Mogo Town. It shows a rock crushing machine for extracting gold and a good explanation. Also some info about the mercury they used and that they were aware of it's poisonous character. http://youtu.be/8_Ft7am1vUk I though it was quite

Re: [neonixie-l] Burned K155ID1 chips?

2012-02-09 Thread Michail1
Does 0101 give a 5 as well? Was wondering if 0100 is stuck. Does it count.. 4 5 6 7 4 5 6 7 8 9 4 instead of 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 Michail In a message dated 2/9/2012 7:42:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, imba.a...@gmail.com writes: These were the results; input 0001 gives 5

[neonixie-l] Re: Burned K155ID1 chips?

2012-02-09 Thread dr pepper
74 ttl as mentioned really needs a 5v regulated supply, the 7805 is important. Also a ceramic decoupling capacitor accross each chip supply pins is a good idea, I've had similar issues with 74 devices, when the transistors change state within the device there is a 'rush through', sort of a

[neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!

2012-02-09 Thread Terry Kennedy
On Feb 9, 11:49 pm, Dieter Waechter i...@nocrotec.com wrote: I have these supplies here on my workbench. It can not drive 10 IN-18 Nixie tubes and it rings, overheats, and the first blew up after 20 seconds. (Sorry John) John was helpful solving that problems, and send a new one, but this

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Burned K155ID1 chips?

2012-02-09 Thread Tidak Ada
If you use a 7805 as voltage stabilizer, consider these IC's need an overvoltage of at least 3V at the input. The show an voltage drop of that 3V. Usually a transformer with an output of 8 to 9 volts AC is advised (This results in a raw DS of 1.4 × 8 = 11.2 V. So you are safe for line and load

Re: [neonixie-l] Mercury - couple pics

2012-02-09 Thread Michail1
Ok, decided to clean it up and took some video (uploaded). So, it's not like water. I was worried about using a paper towel (thinking it would soak into it instead of repelling. Doesn't flow through even if poking a hole with a sewing needle. Coffee filter. Well, it doesn't flow

[neonixie-l] Re: Burned K155ID1 chips?

2012-02-09 Thread Cobra007
I would recommend to use a switch mode 5V regulator, no need to worry about dissipated heat. For low current power supplies I still use zener diodes, works very well if certain applications and no need to worry about voltage drops. Judging from your data (17mA 300ohm), your power supply is then